• Re: Request for a recommendation.

    From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to wthyde1953@gmail.com on Wed Oct 2 14:50:37 2024
    In article <vdjlk6$393hv$1@dont-email.me>,
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    I am looking for a book which will interest a 12 year old kid who is >fascinated by things mechanical.

    The kind of kid who used to take clocks apart and put them back together >still working (when that was possible), build a telescope or put
    together a radio, that sort of thing.

    I remember seeing such a book and wishing I'd had it when I was twelve >myself, but I don't recall the name or author.

    As for myself, that clock never worked again, so I'm not much of a
    mentor here.

    William Hyde

    Don't know if you can get the parts anymore, but for non-fiction, I used
    to love Alfred Powell Morgan's _The Boy Electrician_ and his "Radio" books.

    Fiction? Maybe _Up Periscope_ by White. Lots of submarine details as I recall.
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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Wed Oct 2 14:56:34 2024
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> writes:

    I am looking for a book which will interest a 12 year old kid who is >fascinated by things mechanical.

    Not exactly what you're looking for, but somewhat topical:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Investigators

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to ted@loft.tnolan.com on Wed Oct 2 19:07:27 2024
    ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
    In article <vdk2tj$t76$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    I am looking for a book which will interest a 12 year old kid who is >>>fascinated by things mechanical.

    A fiction book or nonfiction?

    When I was... younger than 12, might have been about seven... I got my >>father to buy me the Chilton's engine rebuilding annual. I still have
    it. I spent months poring over it.
    --scott

    L. Sprague deCamp actually wrote a non-fiction book about engines.

    Huh, it's actually called _Engines_:

    https://www.amazon.com/Engines-L-Sprague-Camp/dp/B0006BZMX8

    If you can find a copy of the Audel's books (e.g. antique stores,
    ABE, etc), they're fascinating reading. Particularly the
    engineers and mechanics guide set which discusses steam engines.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to wthyde1953@gmail.com on Wed Oct 2 18:20:35 2024
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    I am looking for a book which will interest a 12 year old kid who is >fascinated by things mechanical.

    A fiction book or nonfiction?

    When I was... younger than 12, might have been about seven... I got my
    father to buy me the Chilton's engine rebuilding annual. I still have
    it. I spent months poring over it.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Wed Oct 2 18:46:05 2024
    In article <vdk2tj$t76$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    I am looking for a book which will interest a 12 year old kid who is >>fascinated by things mechanical.

    A fiction book or nonfiction?

    When I was... younger than 12, might have been about seven... I got my
    father to buy me the Chilton's engine rebuilding annual. I still have
    it. I spent months poring over it.
    --scott

    L. Sprague deCamp actually wrote a non-fiction book about engines.

    Huh, it's actually called _Engines_:

    https://www.amazon.com/Engines-L-Sprague-Camp/dp/B0006BZMX8
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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to tnusenet17@gmail.com on Wed Oct 2 21:43:15 2024
    In article <vdkebk$3cv3c$1@dont-email.me>,
    Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 10/2/24 10:33 AM, William Hyde wrote:

    I am looking for a book which will interest a 12 year old kid who is
    fascinated by things mechanical.

    The kind of kid who used to take clocks apart and put them back together
    still working (when that was possible), build a telescope or put
    together a radio, that sort of thing.

    I remember seeing such a book and wishing I'd had it when I was twelve
    myself, but I don't recall the name or author.

    As for myself, that clock never worked again, so I'm not much of a
    mentor here.

    William Hyde

    My son is an engineer, and 4 of my nieces/nephews are also engineers,
    and when they were young, every one of them loved the book "The Way
    Things Work" by David Macaulay. I'm just a math guy, but I enjoyed
    flipping through it as well.

    In looking for that title, I see he has also written a second book
    called "The New Way Things Work". I am unfamiliar with that book.

    Tony

    Coming soon "That Should Have Worked!"
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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Thu Oct 3 01:23:44 2024
    Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
    If you can find a copy of the Audel's books (e.g. antique stores,
    ABE, etc), they're fascinating reading. Particularly the
    engineers and mechanics guide set which discusses steam engines.

    Audel's is still publishing those things, come to think of it. I have the latest edition of their book on rebuiling electric motors, and it would be
    okay for a twelve year old.

    Machinery's Handbook would be a bit too much but... it's something they
    could keep for the rest of their life and keep using.

    John Muir's _How To Keep Your Volkswagen Alive_ has some of the best
    general advice about cars and about maintenance that I ever read, and it
    is a fun book, but it also might not feel relevant at all to a kid today
    who has probably never seen an air-cooled VW.
    --scott
    --
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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 3 01:25:39 2024
    In article <lm5t3jFbuivU1@mid.individual.net>,
    Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <vdkebk$3cv3c$1@dont-email.me>,
    Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 10/2/24 10:33 AM, William Hyde wrote:

    I am looking for a book which will interest a 12 year old kid who is
    fascinated by things mechanical.

    The kind of kid who used to take clocks apart and put them back together >>> still working (when that was possible), build a telescope or put
    together a radio, that sort of thing.

    I remember seeing such a book and wishing I'd had it when I was twelve
    myself, but I don't recall the name or author.

    As for myself, that clock never worked again, so I'm not much of a
    mentor here.

    William Hyde

    My son is an engineer, and 4 of my nieces/nephews are also engineers,
    and when they were young, every one of them loved the book "The Way
    Things Work" by David Macaulay. I'm just a math guy, but I enjoyed
    flipping through it as well.

    In looking for that title, I see he has also written a second book
    called "The New Way Things Work". I am unfamiliar with that book.

    Tony

    Coming soon "That Should Have Worked!"

    I am waiting for "The Way Things Would Have Worked If GM Hadn't Screwed
    Them Up."
    --scott
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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 3 09:37:44 2024
    On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 17:35:46 -0400, Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 10/2/24 10:33 AM, William Hyde wrote:

    I am looking for a book which will interest a 12 year old kid who is
    fascinated by things mechanical.

    The kind of kid who used to take clocks apart and put them back together
    still working (when that was possible), build a telescope or put
    together a radio, that sort of thing.

    I remember seeing such a book and wishing I'd had it when I was twelve
    myself, but I don't recall the name or author.

    As for myself, that clock never worked again, so I'm not much of a
    mentor here.

    William Hyde

    My son is an engineer, and 4 of my nieces/nephews are also engineers,
    and when they were young, every one of them loved the book "The Way
    Things Work" by David Macaulay. I'm just a math guy, but I enjoyed
    flipping through it as well.

    In looking for that title, I see he has also written a second book
    called "The New Way Things Work". I am unfamiliar with that book.

    Judging from <https://www.amazon.com/New-Way-Things-Work/dp/0395938473#:~:text=To%20help%20make%20sense%20of%20the%20computer%20age,%20David%20Macaulay>,
    it adds 12 new machines -- including digital machinery.

    Well, digital computers as of 1998, anyway. But basics are basics,
    after all.

    It may also have updates on items discussed in the original (cars and
    watches are mentioned, and surely they were in the original).

    It is being advertised as an updated version of the original, not a
    second volume in a series.

    Some might be interested in a price inversion: the paperback costs
    /more/ than the hardcover.

    And here we have <https://www.amazon.com/Way-Things-Work-Now-dp-0544824385/dp/0544824385/ref=dp_ob_title_bk>,
    a new version dated 2023.

    It apparently extends the tech to touchscreens and 3D printers. No
    doubt other recently introduced items are there as well.

    Continuing the price-inversion tradition, the Kindle edition (unless
    you belong to KindleUnlimited) costs more than the hardcover.

    The original from 1988 <https://www.amazon.com/Way-Things-Work-David-Macaulay/dp/0395428572/ref=pd_bxgy_d_sccl_2/142-6944350-7921335?pd_rd_w=BUSrl&content-id=amzn1.sym.f7fa8b58-6436-47b8-8741-9e90c231669e&pf_rd_p=f7fa8b58-6436-47b8-8741-9e90c231669e&pf_rd_r=
    YHW81NGTD74KVZB0R9QT&pd_rd_wg=wmYbJ&pd_rd_r=2fefd4c5-6629-437f-ae7a-31f560538b43&pd_rd_i=0395428572&psc=1>
    also has the hardcover costing less than the paperback.

    Also in the same tradition of price inversion is <https://www.amazon.com/Way-Things-Work-Kit/dp/078946506X/ref=tmm_other_meta_binding_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=>
    with 12 models and a CD-ROM to explore machines in (I presume) a
    hands-on manner.

    This makes me wonder: are Hardcover books falling out of favor to the
    point that Paperbacks (presumably Trade Paperbacks) command a premium?
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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to psperson@old.netcom.invalid on Thu Oct 3 17:24:09 2024
    In article <d6htfj9rvuu0mj2b939ig3h42dglmto8rg@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 17:35:46 -0400, Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 10/2/24 10:33 AM, William Hyde wrote:

    I am looking for a book which will interest a 12 year old kid who is
    fascinated by things mechanical.

    The kind of kid who used to take clocks apart and put them back together >>> still working (when that was possible), build a telescope or put
    together a radio, that sort of thing.

    I remember seeing such a book and wishing I'd had it when I was twelve
    myself, but I don't recall the name or author.

    As for myself, that clock never worked again, so I'm not much of a
    mentor here.

    William Hyde

    My son is an engineer, and 4 of my nieces/nephews are also engineers,
    and when they were young, every one of them loved the book "The Way
    Things Work" by David Macaulay. I'm just a math guy, but I enjoyed
    flipping through it as well.

    In looking for that title, I see he has also written a second book
    called "The New Way Things Work". I am unfamiliar with that book.

    Judging from ><https://www.amazon.com/New-Way-Things-Work/dp/0395938473#:~:text=To%20help%20make%20sense%20of%20the%20computer%20age,%20David%20Macaulay>,
    it adds 12 new machines -- including digital machinery.

    Well, digital computers as of 1998, anyway. But basics are basics,
    after all.

    It may also have updates on items discussed in the original (cars and
    watches are mentioned, and surely they were in the original).

    It is being advertised as an updated version of the original, not a
    second volume in a series.

    Some might be interested in a price inversion: the paperback costs
    /more/ than the hardcover.

    And here we have ><https://www.amazon.com/Way-Things-Work-Now-dp-0544824385/dp/0544824385/ref=dp_ob_title_bk>,
    a new version dated 2023.

    It apparently extends the tech to touchscreens and 3D printers. No
    doubt other recently introduced items are there as well.

    Continuing the price-inversion tradition, the Kindle edition (unless
    you belong to KindleUnlimited) costs more than the hardcover.

    The original from 1988 ><https://www.amazon.com/Way-Things-Work-David-Macaulay/dp/0395428572/ref=pd_bxgy_d_sccl_2/142-6944350-7921335?pd_rd_w=BUSrl&content-id=amzn1.sym.f7fa8b58-6436-47b8-8741-9e90c231669e&pf_rd_p=f7fa8b58-6436-47b8-8741-9e90c231669e&pf_rd_r=
    YHW81NGTD74KVZB0R9QT&pd_rd_wg=wmYbJ&pd_rd_r=2fefd4c5-6629-437f-ae7a-31f560538b43&pd_rd_i=0395428572&psc=1>
    also has the hardcover costing less than the paperback.

    Also in the same tradition of price inversion is ><https://www.amazon.com/Way-Things-Work-Kit/dp/078946506X/ref=tmm_other_meta_binding_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=>
    with 12 models and a CD-ROM to explore machines in (I presume) a
    hands-on manner.

    This makes me wonder: are Hardcover books falling out of favor to the
    point that Paperbacks (presumably Trade Paperbacks) command a premium?


    I had mentioned Alfred Powell Morgan upthread, and I see that several
    of his books are on Gutenberg:

    https://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/m#a52269

    Home-made Toy Motors by Alfred Powell Morgan
    https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/64046

    The Boy Electrician by Alfred Powell Morgan
    https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/63207

    Home-made Electrical Apparatus by Alfred Powell Morgan
    https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/63878

    Model Flying Machines by Alfred Powell Morgan
    https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/64296

    How To Build A 20-Foot Bi-Plane Glider by Alfred Powell Morgan
    https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/63077

    None of the "Radio" books though.
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  • From Chris Buckley@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Fri Oct 4 11:33:29 2024
    On 2024-10-03, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
    Tony Nance wrote:
    On 10/2/24 10:33 AM, William Hyde wrote:

    I am looking for a book which will interest a 12 year old kid who is
    fascinated by things mechanical.

    The kind of kid who used to take clocks apart and put them back
    together still working (when that was possible), build a telescope or
    put together a radio, that sort of thing.

    I remember seeing such a book and wishing I'd had it when I was twelve
    myself, but I don't recall the name or author.

    As for myself, that clock never worked again, so I'm not much of a
    mentor here.

    William Hyde

    My son is an engineer, and 4 of my nieces/nephews are also engineers,
    and when they were young, every one of them loved the book "The Way
    Things Work" by David Macaulay. I'm just a math guy, but I enjoyed
    flipping through it as well.

    In looking for that title, I see he has also written a second book
    called "The New Way Things Work". I am unfamiliar with that book.

    That may well have been the book I mentioned above.

    Thanks for this, and all the other suggestions.

    William Hyde

    We're old enough so I bet you were originally thinking of a much earlier
    _The Way Things Work_ . A very impressive book. I was disappointed in
    the content of Macaulay's book in comparison, though his presentation
    is better. Macaulay's book is more engineering of everyday things
    while this is more technology, so Macaulay's book would probably be
    more targeted for your purposes, though there is plenty for an
    engineer-to-be here.

    The early version is unauthored; it calls itself "an illustrated
    encyclopedia of technology". It was originally written in German in
    1963 and translated/published in the US in 1967 which must have been a
    major undertaking. It's 580 pages of small type, with 1/3 of it being
    diagrams. It goes from pumps to juke-boxes to electron microscopes;
    I'm surprised leafing through it for the first time in decades about
    how much technology was already well-developed in 1963.

    Chris

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Chris Buckley on Fri Oct 4 17:05:00 2024
    Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> writes:
    On 2024-10-03, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
    Tony Nance wrote:
    On 10/2/24 10:33 AM, William Hyde wrote:

    I am looking for a book which will interest a 12 year old kid who is
    fascinated by things mechanical.

    The kind of kid who used to take clocks apart and put them back
    together still working (when that was possible), build a telescope or
    put together a radio, that sort of thing.

    I remember seeing such a book and wishing I'd had it when I was twelve >>>> myself, but I don't recall the name or author.

    As for myself, that clock never worked again, so I'm not much of a
    mentor here.

    William Hyde

    My son is an engineer, and 4 of my nieces/nephews are also engineers,
    and when they were young, every one of them loved the book "The Way
    Things Work" by David Macaulay. I'm just a math guy, but I enjoyed
    flipping through it as well.

    In looking for that title, I see he has also written a second book
    called "The New Way Things Work". I am unfamiliar with that book.

    That may well have been the book I mentioned above.

    Thanks for this, and all the other suggestions.

    William Hyde

    We're old enough so I bet you were originally thinking of a much earlier
    _The Way Things Work_ . A very impressive book. I was disappointed in
    the content of Macaulay's book in comparison, though his presentation
    is better. Macaulay's book is more engineering of everyday things
    while this is more technology, so Macaulay's book would probably be
    more targeted for your purposes, though there is plenty for an
    engineer-to-be here.

    The early version is unauthored; it calls itself "an illustrated
    encyclopedia of technology". It was originally written in German in
    1963 and translated/published in the US in 1967 which must have been a
    major undertaking. It's 580 pages of small type, with 1/3 of it being >diagrams. It goes from pumps to juke-boxes to electron microscopes;
    I'm surprised leafing through it for the first time in decades about
    how much technology was already well-developed in 1963.

    I have a copy of _The Pocket Guide To Science_ (W.H. Neumeyer),
    Second Edition, edited by E.E. Free, Ph. D. (c) 1924.

    Subtitled "A book of questions and answers on the facts of modern science"

    Not particularly impressive 100 years later, in fact sometimes
    completely wrong. However, the introduction states:

    "As in the first edition, a number of the answers touch
    upon matters which are still in dispute amongst scientists
    and upon which opinions may properly differ."

    "If the reader who happens to disagree is stimulated therby to
    investigate such matters for himself the publishers and editors
    will regard this book as having done what it intended to do".

    Sample question/answer:

    Is it true that light has weight?

    According to the Einstein theory it has, and
    there is every reason to believe this is true. Of
    course the weight is really small. An ordinary
    electric lamp would have to burn about two million
    years to produce one ounce of light.

    Modern answer:
    https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/ParticleAndNuclear/photon_mass.html


    How do we know that the earth is slowing shrinking?

    Because that is the way that mountain ranges are formed. As
    the earth shrinks, it wrinkles up on surface skin a little,
    just as the skin of a prune wrinkles up when it dries and
    shrinks. These wrinkles on the earth are what we call
    Mountains. The rate [...] is very slow, probably not over
    an inch or two in a century.

    (pre plate tectonics).

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 5 01:14:42 2024
    Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    I am looking for a book which will interest a 12 year old kid who is >>>fascinated by things mechanical.

    A fiction book or nonfiction?

    When I was... younger than 12, might have been about seven... I got my >>father to buy me the Chilton's engine rebuilding annual. I still have
    it. I spent months poring over it.

    L. Sprague deCamp actually wrote a non-fiction book about engines.

    Huh, it's actually called _Engines_:

    https://www.amazon.com/Engines-L-Sprague-Camp/dp/B0006BZMX8

    So, I found this, and it's cool, but twelve seems awfully old for it.
    This would be a great book for a younger kid (even though it doesn't
    mention radials).
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Sat Oct 5 02:53:12 2024
    In article <vdq78n$jnci$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 10/2/2024 1:46 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <vdk2tj$t76$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    I am looking for a book which will interest a 12 year old kid who is
    fascinated by things mechanical.

    A fiction book or nonfiction?

    When I was... younger than 12, might have been about seven... I got my
    father to buy me the Chilton's engine rebuilding annual. I still have
    it. I spent months poring over it.
    --scott

    L. Sprague deCamp actually wrote a non-fiction book about engines.

    Huh, it's actually called _Engines_:

    https://www.amazon.com/Engines-L-Sprague-Camp/dp/B0006BZMX8

    That is a wild picture. I can tell you from experience, working on a >outboard engine in the middle of a lake or river is not fun when you
    drop whatever you were working on in the drink. In my case, it was the >propeller after we ran over a log and broke the prop key. One should
    always have a spare prop and several keys on board.

    Lynn


    If you take care of your outboard, it can run a while!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=625HZ2_2eGg
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  • From Gary R. Schmidt@21:1/5 to Chris Buckley on Sat Oct 5 21:57:16 2024
    On 04/10/2024 21:33, Chris Buckley wrote:
    On 2024-10-03, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
    Tony Nance wrote:
    On 10/2/24 10:33 AM, William Hyde wrote:

    I am looking for a book which will interest a 12 year old kid who is
    fascinated by things mechanical.

    The kind of kid who used to take clocks apart and put them back
    together still working (when that was possible), build a telescope or
    put together a radio, that sort of thing.

    I remember seeing such a book and wishing I'd had it when I was twelve >>>> myself, but I don't recall the name or author.

    As for myself, that clock never worked again, so I'm not much of a
    mentor here.

    William Hyde

    My son is an engineer, and 4 of my nieces/nephews are also engineers,
    and when they were young, every one of them loved the book "The Way
    Things Work" by David Macaulay. I'm just a math guy, but I enjoyed
    flipping through it as well.

    In looking for that title, I see he has also written a second book
    called "The New Way Things Work". I am unfamiliar with that book.

    That may well have been the book I mentioned above.

    Thanks for this, and all the other suggestions.

    William Hyde

    We're old enough so I bet you were originally thinking of a much earlier
    _The Way Things Work_ . A very impressive book. I was disappointed in
    the content of Macaulay's book in comparison, though his presentation
    is better. Macaulay's book is more engineering of everyday things
    while this is more technology, so Macaulay's book would probably be
    more targeted for your purposes, though there is plenty for an
    engineer-to-be here.

    The early version is unauthored; it calls itself "an illustrated
    encyclopedia of technology". It was originally written in German in
    1963 and translated/published in the US in 1967 which must have been a
    major undertaking. It's 580 pages of small type, with 1/3 of it being diagrams. It goes from pumps to juke-boxes to electron microscopes;
    I'm surprised leafing through it for the first time in decades about
    how much technology was already well-developed in 1963.

    That rings a bell, I recall my copy of it having an orange cover, the
    "small type" triggered the memory, and so I went a-googling!

    Here's a hard-cover, and looking inside it is the book I recall!

    By C. Van Amerongen.

    <https://www.amazon.com.au/Way-Things-Work-Illustrated-Encyclopedia/dp/0000913154>

    Now, if I could locate a decently priced once it got to Oz copy somewhere...

    Cheers,
    Gary B-)

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Sat Oct 5 09:16:11 2024
    On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 21:11:35 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 10/2/2024 1:46 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <vdk2tj$t76$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    I am looking for a book which will interest a 12 year old kid who is
    fascinated by things mechanical.

    A fiction book or nonfiction?

    When I was... younger than 12, might have been about seven... I got my
    father to buy me the Chilton's engine rebuilding annual. I still have
    it. I spent months poring over it.
    --scott

    L. Sprague deCamp actually wrote a non-fiction book about engines.

    Huh, it's actually called _Engines_:

    https://www.amazon.com/Engines-L-Sprague-Camp/dp/B0006BZMX8

    That is a wild picture. I can tell you from experience, working on a >outboard engine in the middle of a lake or river is not fun when you
    drop whatever you were working on in the drink. In my case, it was the >propeller after we ran over a log and broke the prop key. One should
    always have a spare prop and several keys on board.

    Or whatever tool you were using to work on it with.
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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Sat Oct 12 04:54:35 2024
    On 10/5/2024 2:07 PM, William Hyde wrote:
    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 10/2/2024 1:46 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <vdk2tj$t76$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    William Hyde  <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    I am looking for a book which will interest a 12 year old kid who is >>>>> fascinated by things mechanical.

    A fiction book or nonfiction?

    When I was... younger than 12, might have been about seven... I got my >>>> father to buy me the Chilton's engine rebuilding annual.  I still have >>>> it.  I spent months poring over it.
    --scott

    L. Sprague deCamp actually wrote a non-fiction book about engines.

    Huh, it's actually called _Engines_:

        https://www.amazon.com/Engines-L-Sprague-Camp/dp/B0006BZMX8

    That is a wild picture.  I can tell you from experience, working on a
    outboard engine in the middle of a lake or river is not fun when you
    drop whatever you were working on in the drink.  In my case, it was
    the propeller after we ran over a log and broke the prop key.  One
    should always have a spare prop and several keys on board.

    I had a similar experience but without the log (why it broke I do not
    know).

    It's amazing how long it takes to  move a 10 foot boat a mile with only
    one paddle.  If there had been any kind of current the other way I'd
    still be out there.

    I could have swum back faster.

    I never went out again without checking the spares, even if I absolutely
    knew they were there.


    William Hyde



    I used to put my Great-Uncle's 3.5 hp Evinrude (a 1956, IMS) on the
    back of my family's 10-ft aluminum dinghy, and zoom around the harbor
    in it. I had to share it with my cousin, who would put it on the back
    of his family's dink. I had a positive talent for shearing the cotter
    pin off on the rocky floor of the harbor, located on Long Island, NY's
    North Shore. When my cousin had the motor I would row, but also when
    my poor piloting disabled the engine. Cuz and I were in the same year
    in school, but he was mechanically handy, where I was not. Not only
    would I have to replace the part, but I'd have to get one of the
    cousins to install it. I wore out my relatives' patience once or twice.

    It was a long walk up and down hills to get to the next village East,
    ever since Long Island Lighting fenced off their property. One could
    no longer walk to the shopping district along the statutory beach road,
    below the high tide mark. In fact, my Great Uncle was a leader of the
    movement to incorporate our village in the 1930s, in order to stop
    LILCO from cutting the road off. But the area wanted a power plant, and
    jobs, especially during the Depression. so the village got its charter,
    but if people wanted a gallon of milk and a loaf of bread they would
    have to go the long way round, by land. If you had access to any kind
    of boat, that wouldn't stop you.

    In my early teens I had no qualms about using the dinghy - w/motor or
    our oars - to putter or row into the inner harbor and visit a local
    library and/or newsstand to feed my comics and SF habits. Later, when
    we sold our year-round house on the South Shore of the Island, tore down
    the summer bungalow and built another year-round house on the North
    Shore, I had my bicycle for such errands, and for commuting to a summer
    job. That gave me access to a second library and more shops. There was
    even an independent bookstore near SUNY-Stony Brook where I reserved a
    copy of the first printing of the Silmarillion. I believe that was the
    first hardcover that I bought for myself.
    --

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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sat Oct 12 05:00:57 2024
    On 10/2/2024 9:25 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    In article <lm5t3jFbuivU1@mid.individual.net>,
    Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <vdkebk$3cv3c$1@dont-email.me>,
    Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 10/2/24 10:33 AM, William Hyde wrote:

    I am looking for a book which will interest a 12 year old kid who is
    fascinated by things mechanical.

    The kind of kid who used to take clocks apart and put them back together >>>> still working (when that was possible), build a telescope or put
    together a radio, that sort of thing.

    I remember seeing such a book and wishing I'd had it when I was twelve >>>> myself, but I don't recall the name or author.

    As for myself, that clock never worked again, so I'm not much of a
    mentor here.

    William Hyde

    My son is an engineer, and 4 of my nieces/nephews are also engineers,
    and when they were young, every one of them loved the book "The Way
    Things Work" by David Macaulay. I'm just a math guy, but I enjoyed
    flipping through it as well.

    In looking for that title, I see he has also written a second book
    called "The New Way Things Work". I am unfamiliar with that book.

    Tony

    Coming soon "That Should Have Worked!"

    I am waiting for "The Way Things Would Have Worked If GM Hadn't Screwed
    Them Up."
    --scott


    Is there "Things That Work Intermittently"?

    Those give me the most trouble.

    --
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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to kjrobinson@mail.com on Sat Oct 12 14:33:24 2024
    In article <veddsa$2puo$3@dont-email.me>, Kevrob <kjrobinson@mail.com> wrote: >On 10/2/2024 9:25 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    In article <lm5t3jFbuivU1@mid.individual.net>,
    Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <vdkebk$3cv3c$1@dont-email.me>,
    Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 10/2/24 10:33 AM, William Hyde wrote:

    I am looking for a book which will interest a 12 year old kid who is >>>>> fascinated by things mechanical.

    The kind of kid who used to take clocks apart and put them back together >>>>> still working (when that was possible), build a telescope or put
    together a radio, that sort of thing.

    I remember seeing such a book and wishing I'd had it when I was twelve >>>>> myself, but I don't recall the name or author.

    As for myself, that clock never worked again, so I'm not much of a
    mentor here.

    William Hyde

    My son is an engineer, and 4 of my nieces/nephews are also engineers,
    and when they were young, every one of them loved the book "The Way
    Things Work" by David Macaulay. I'm just a math guy, but I enjoyed
    flipping through it as well.

    In looking for that title, I see he has also written a second book
    called "The New Way Things Work". I am unfamiliar with that book.

    Tony

    Coming soon "That Should Have Worked!"

    I am waiting for "The Way Things Would Have Worked If GM Hadn't Screwed
    Them Up."
    --scott


    Is there "Things That Work Intermittently"?

    Those give me the most trouble.

    --
    Kevin R

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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to Michael F. Stemper on Mon Oct 14 05:06:10 2024
    On 10/13/2024 10:56 AM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    On 12/10/2024 12.48, William Hyde wrote:
    Kevrob wrote:
    On 10/5/2024 2:07 PM, William Hyde wrote:
    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 10/2/2024 1:46 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <vdk2tj$t76$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    William Hyde  <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    I am looking for a book which will interest a 12 year old kid
    who is
    fascinated by things mechanical.

    A fiction book or nonfiction?

    When I was... younger than 12, might have been about seven... I
    got my
    father to buy me the Chilton's engine rebuilding annual.  I still >>>>>>> have
    it.  I spent months poring over it.
    --scott

    L. Sprague deCamp actually wrote a non-fiction book about engines. >>>>>>
    Huh, it's actually called _Engines_:

        https://www.amazon.com/Engines-L-Sprague-Camp/dp/B0006BZMX8 >>>>>
    That is a wild picture.  I can tell you from experience, working on >>>>> a outboard engine in the middle of a lake or river is not fun when
    you drop whatever you were working on in the drink.  In my case, it >>>>> was the propeller after we ran over a log and broke the prop key.
    One should always have a spare prop and several keys on board.

    I had a similar experience but without the log (why it broke I do
    not know).

    It's amazing how long it takes to  move a 10 foot boat a mile with
    only one paddle.  If there had been any kind of current the other
    way I'd still be out there.

    I could have swum back faster.

    I never went out again without checking the spares, even if I
    absolutely knew they were there.


    William Hyde



    I used to put my Great-Uncle's 3.5 hp Evinrude (a 1956, IMS) on the
    back of my family's 10-ft aluminum dinghy,


    We also had a 3.5 Evinrude, and the year is about right.

    Also an aluminum boat.  It usually had oars, but for some reason they
    were gone that day and only a paddle remained.  I could have rowed it
    back easily enough, but paddling is for canoes, not boats.

    My uncle was well off, and every year he had new and stronger engines.
    the last I recall were twin 80 mercs.

    Hopefully, they weren't on the same old aluminum rowboat.



    A frequent comment from older salts down where folks put their craft
    in the water: "You've got too much motor on that boat."

    I thought our 3.5hp engine was just right. I thought anything more than
    a 5hp gas engine might be too heavy for the stern. Since the last time I piloted any kind of boat, electric engines have come in, so I don't know
    what tiny craft get rated for, these days. I imagine the shape of the
    hull still matters. BITD you'd not want much power on a dinghy that you
    could also sail, as it would draw differently than our almost flat-
    bottomed one.

    Twin 80s would be nice on the back of a cabin cruiser, or a mid-sized
    skiff. How big was your uncle's boat?

    --
    Kevin R


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