• One of our own was mentioned

    From BCFD 36@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 8 16:09:58 2024
    I recently received the 2023 version of The Best Science Fiction of the
    Year by Neil Clarke. Our very own Dorthy was mentioned as one of those
    who had passed away.

    I have found a couple of stories I liked so far.

    It is interesting that just about 50%, or maybe even more since I am not
    sure of some of the names, of the authors are women. It didn't used to
    be that way at all.

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    Captain - Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
    Board of Directors - Boulder Creek Fire Protection District (What was I thinking?)

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 8 17:24:42 2024
    On 10/8/24 16:09, BCFD 36 wrote:
    I recently received the 2023 version of The Best Science Fiction of the
    Year by Neil Clarke. Our very own Dorthy was mentioned as one of those
    who had passed away.

    I have found a couple of stories I liked so far.

    It is interesting that just about 50%, or maybe even more since I am not
    sure of some of the names, of the authors are women. It didn't used to
    be that way at all.

    I think in the past to get acceptance many women wrote
    under male names. But we had some very great female authors
    from an relatively early time in the SF field.
    I learned a great deal but did not find the story or the author
    I wanted to praise.

    Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein

    The first science fiction story published in a magazine by a woman in America was The Fate of the Poseidonia, written by Claire Winger Harris
    in 1927. The story was published by Hugo Gernsback in the pulp magazine
    Amazing Stories

    Alice Bradley Sheldon adopted the name James Tiptree Jr

    Marion Zimmer Bradley Andre Norton

    Elizabeth Moon loved her series started with the Oath of Gerd.

    Kate Wilhelm Ursula K. LeGuin

    Sheri S. Tepper C. J. Cherryh

    Margaret Atwood Octavia Butler

    Connie Willis Andre Norton

    Ursula K. LeGuin Joanna Russ

    Zenna Henderson and her stories of the People

    Who published afaik in The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction
    later collected into several books which I have not read. I found
    her name by diligent online search on the Magazine. <https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=zenna+henderson+books&ia=web>

    and newer stuff as well by

    Seanan McGuire ` Lydia Sherre

    Lindy Ryan Aubrey Wood

    Linsay Sands Martha Wells

    Hannah Fergesen Rachel Aaron

    I got the last bit from my file of Book Reviews

    bliss

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    b l i s s - S F 4 e v e r at D S L E x t r e m e dot com

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Tue Oct 8 18:47:20 2024
    On 10/8/24 17:24, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    On 10/8/24 16:09, BCFD 36 wrote:
    I recently received the 2023 version of The Best Science Fiction of
    the Year by Neil Clarke. Our very own Dorthy was mentioned as one of
    those who had passed away.

    I have found a couple of stories I liked so far.

    It is interesting that just about 50%, or maybe even more since I am
    not sure of some of the names, of the authors are women. It didn't
    used to be that way at all.

        I think in the past to get acceptance many women wrote
    under male names. But we had some very great female authors
    from an relatively early time in the SF field.
    I learned a great deal but did not find the story or the author
    I wanted to praise.

    Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein

        The first science fiction story published in a magazine by a woman in America was The Fate of the Poseidonia, written by Claire Winger
    Harris in 1927. The story was published by Hugo Gernsback in the pulp magazine Amazing Stories

    Alice Bradley Sheldon adopted the name James Tiptree Jr

    Marion Zimmer Bradley        Andre Norton

    Elizabeth Moon loved her series started with the Oath of Gerd.

    Kate Wilhelm        Ursula K. LeGuin

    Sheri S. Tepper        C. J. Cherryh

    Margaret Atwood        Octavia Butler

    Connie Willis        Andre Norton

    Ursula K. LeGuin    Joanna Russ

    Zenna Henderson and her stories of the People

    Who published afaik in The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction
    later collected into several books which I have not read. I found
    her name by diligent online search on the Magazine. <https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=zenna+henderson+books&ia=web>

    and newer stuff as well by

    Seanan McGuire    `    Lydia Sherre

    Lindy Ryan        Aubrey Wood

    Linsay Sands        Martha Wells

    Hannah Fergesen        Rachel Aaron

    I got the last bit from my file of Book Reviews

    bliss

    I should have included since it is fantasy
    the very long Series by Kim Harrison where the
    creatures of the night have come out to save
    the social organization of people on whom vampires
    are dependent and Witch/Demon maybe Goddess Rachel
    Morgan and her friends, enemies and pals. Some of
    the old vampires are quite evil enough for horror
    stories

    Also Charlene Harris with her stories of the
    telepathic Waitress and go between for vampires and
    others, Sookie Stackhous.
    She likes Vampires because she cannot
    read their minds. Exactly why I did not like the
    TV series made from this I cannot say. Harris
    though is the author of several mystery series
    sometime without supernatural powers but in
    one series a young woman who can find dead
    people and get information about them that the
    crime lab cannot. Her brother is her helper.
    I have read all the stories by Harris that I
    can get my hands on.

    bliss
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    b l i s s - S F 4 e v e r at D S L E x t r e m e dot com

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid on Wed Oct 9 09:08:44 2024
    On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 17:24:42 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:

    On 10/8/24 16:09, BCFD 36 wrote:
    I recently received the 2023 version of The Best Science Fiction of the
    Year by Neil Clarke. Our very own Dorthy was mentioned as one of those
    who had passed away.

    I have found a couple of stories I liked so far.

    It is interesting that just about 50%, or maybe even more since I am not
    sure of some of the names, of the authors are women. It didn't used to
    be that way at all.

    I think in the past to get acceptance many women wrote
    under male names. But we had some very great female authors
    from an relatively early time in the SF field.

    More generally, this goes back at least 200 years (ie, to the 19th
    century) and quite likely before.

    And not just authors. Female soldiers go back quite a ways too. It's
    just that, relatively recently, they no longer had to pretend to be
    men.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to psperson@old.netcom.invalid on Sun Oct 20 22:32:16 2024
    On Wed, 09 Oct 2024 09:08:44 -0700, Paul S Person
    <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    More generally, this goes back at least 200 years (ie, to the 19th
    century) and quite likely before.

    200 years ago would be 1824 which was dominated by 1789-1815 (e.g. the Napoleonic wars) and relatively quiet at least till Prussia's wars
    1864-1871.

    On the other hand my 2 year old granddaughter has a pretty good chance
    of seeing the 22nd Century :) (Me not so much)

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Sun Oct 20 22:44:51 2024
    On 10/20/24 22:32, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Wed, 09 Oct 2024 09:08:44 -0700, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    More generally, this goes back at least 200 years (ie, to the 19th
    century) and quite likely before.

    200 years ago would be 1824 which was dominated by 1789-1815 (e.g. the Napoleonic wars) and relatively quiet at least till Prussia's wars
    1864-1871.

    You forget the US War of 1812 when the British Empire tried
    to get back the former colonies and some of the Former Colonies tried fruitlessly to annex Canada. Andrew Jackson's perfomance there in led
    to the Presidency of the USA. He was a populist too which why he caused
    the Trail of Tears of the Cherokee People.


    On the other hand my 2 year old granddaughter has a pretty good chance
    of seeing the 22nd Century :) (Me not so much)

    I hope she has a better and more peaceful century than the
    one we left behind in the 20t hand the beginning of the 21st. I won't be
    around for the 22nd Century myself (barring SF-like Medical Advances).

    bliss
    --
    b l i s s dash s f 4 e v e r at d s l e x t r e m e dot c o m

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 21 09:12:17 2024
    On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 22:32:16 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 09 Oct 2024 09:08:44 -0700, Paul S Person ><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    More generally, this goes back at least 200 years (ie, to the 19th
    century) and quite likely before.

    200 years ago would be 1824 which was dominated by 1789-1815 (e.g. the >Napoleonic wars) and relatively quiet at least till Prussia's wars
    1864-1871.

    So, you are saying there were /no female writers using male
    pseudonyms/ in 1824? Or before?

    Or is it the women-disguised-as-men becoming soldiers that you are
    seeking to deny? IIRC, there were a few in the (USA) Civil War.

    I would mention Mulan, but she appears to be legendary rather than
    historical.

    On the other hand my 2 year old granddaughter has a pretty good chance
    of seeing the 22nd Century :) (Me not so much)
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com on Mon Oct 21 13:02:57 2024
    On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 22:44:51 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

    On the other hand my 2 year old granddaughter has a pretty good chance
    of seeing the 22nd Century :) (Me not so much)

    I hope she has a better and more peaceful century than the
    one we left behind in the 20t hand the beginning of the 21st. I won't be >around for the 22nd Century myself (barring SF-like Medical Advances).

    It would be lovely though like you I don't expect to see it either.

    I've had a number of people ask me how long I'd like to live and my
    usual answer is 300 years which either ends the conversation cold or
    leads to a completely different and interesting chat.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com on Mon Oct 21 13:00:56 2024
    On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 22:44:51 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

    200 years ago would be 1824 which was dominated by 1789-1815 (e.g. the
    Napoleonic wars) and relatively quiet at least till Prussia's wars
    1864-1871.

    You forget the US War of 1812 when the British Empire tried
    to get back the former colonies and some of the Former Colonies tried >fruitlessly to annex Canada. Andrew Jackson's perfomance there in led
    to the Presidency of the USA. He was a populist too which why he caused
    the Trail of Tears of the Cherokee People.

    You mean the War of 1812 (1812-1815) WASN'T in the period 1789-1815?

    No question the War of 1812 was a sideshow compared to Napoleon's
    efforts but it was definitely in that time period just as the US Civil
    War was in the period 1864-1871 (partly)

    I would consider the Mexican war of 1847-48 relatively small in
    comparison to all the other ones cited. And obviously I do have
    _somewhat_ of an idea of the US "Indian Wars" as well as knowing where
    Sitting Bull died (e.g. not in the United States)

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to petertrei@gmail.com on Tue Oct 22 09:11:41 2024
    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 17:16:44 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 10/21/2024 12:12 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 22:32:16 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 09 Oct 2024 09:08:44 -0700, Paul S Person
    <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    More generally, this goes back at least 200 years (ie, to the 19th
    century) and quite likely before.

    200 years ago would be 1824 which was dominated by 1789-1815 (e.g. the
    Napoleonic wars) and relatively quiet at least till Prussia's wars
    1864-1871.

    So, you are saying there were /no female writers using male
    pseudonyms/ in 1824? Or before?

    George Sand has entered the chat.

    Oh great! Another 18th Century French Author I should probably read,
    as I probably will Verne (at least I can count him as an SF author!).
    I will make a note. But I may take a break with something else first.
    Perhaps the Well of Souls series.

    Note: I recall hearing about George Sand, and may even have heard that
    she was a woman, but she was not in my mind when I made my assertion
    above.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 22 19:19:18 2024
    On 10/8/24 16:09, BCFD 36 wrote:
    I recently received the 2023 version of The Best Science Fiction of the
    Year by Neil Clarke. Our very own Dorthy was mentioned as one of those
    who had passed away.

    I have found a couple of stories I liked so far.

    It is interesting that just about 50%, or maybe even more since I am not
    sure of some of the names, of the authors are women. It didn't used to
    be that way at all.


    No it did not used to be that way at all. Women used to have to hide their gender in order to get published. But it aint that way no
    more.
    Thank time, intention, chance for that.

    bliss - who once upon a time was young but got over that.

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  • From Jay E. Morris@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Wed Oct 23 17:03:01 2024
    On 10/22/2024 8:44 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 10/8/2024 6:09 PM, BCFD 36 wrote:
    I recently received the 2023 version of The Best Science Fiction of
    the Year by Neil Clarke. Our very own Dorthy was mentioned as one of
    those who had passed away.

    I have found a couple of stories I liked so far.

    It is interesting that just about 50%, or maybe even more since I am
    not sure of some of the names, of the authors are women. It didn't
    used to be that way at all.

    I have not seen Hal around here in months.  Hopefully he is lurking and
    not ill.

    Lynn


    He's been posting in fandom.

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to morrisj@epsilon3.comcon on Thu Oct 24 08:15:06 2024
    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 17:03:01 -0500, "Jay E. Morris"
    <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:

    On 10/22/2024 8:44 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 10/8/2024 6:09 PM, BCFD 36 wrote:
    I recently received the 2023 version of The Best Science Fiction of
    the Year by Neil Clarke. Our very own Dorthy was mentioned as one of
    those who had passed away.

    I have found a couple of stories I liked so far.

    It is interesting that just about 50%, or maybe even more since I am
    not sure of some of the names, of the authors are women. It didn't
    used to be that way at all.

    I have not seen Hal around here in months.  Hopefully he is lurking and
    not ill.

    Lynn


    He's been posting in fandom.

    Perhaps he got bored by all the on-topic stuff.

    Or appalled by the off-topic stuff.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to petertrei@gmail.com on Thu Oct 24 08:21:01 2024
    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 12:58:23 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 10/22/2024 12:11 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 17:16:44 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 10/21/2024 12:12 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 22:32:16 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 09 Oct 2024 09:08:44 -0700, Paul S Person
    <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    More generally, this goes back at least 200 years (ie, to the 19th >>>>>> century) and quite likely before.

    200 years ago would be 1824 which was dominated by 1789-1815 (e.g. the >>>>> Napoleonic wars) and relatively quiet at least till Prussia's wars
    1864-1871.

    So, you are saying there were /no female writers using male
    pseudonyms/ in 1824? Or before?

    George Sand has entered the chat.

    Oh great! Another 18th Century French Author I should probably read,
    as I probably will Verne (at least I can count him as an SF author!).
    I will make a note. But I may take a break with something else first.
    Perhaps the Well of Souls series.

    Note: I recall hearing about George Sand, and may even have heard that
    she was a woman, but she was not in my mind when I made my assertion
    above.

    Not only did she use a male name, she wore men's clothes (which
    required a license). I have no knowledge of her preferences in
    partners, or her (modern usage) 'gender'.

    Simply /having/ a license for such a purpose was probably considered
    the height of tolerance at the time.

    And a lot better than burning her as a witch or sticking her into an institution as insane.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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