• After a year of extermination, Palestine is still alive

    From NefeshBarYochai@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 10 16:24:20 2024
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    By Qassam Muaddi October 9, 2024


    A year ago, Palestinians began to experience new levels of their
    ongoing catastrophe, the Nakba, which started 76 years ago. In
    response to the attack that killed roughly 1,200 Israelis and caused a
    major embarrassment to the Israeli army and intelligence, Israel
    unleashed an extermination campaign on Gaza, leveling entire
    residential blocks, destroying education and health institutions,
    eliminating the basic infrastructure needed to sustain a society, and
    burying entire families under the rubble. In the West Bank, Israeli
    settlers set out to forcibly expel Palestinian rural communities and
    steal the lands of Palestinian towns and villages. The Israeli army
    ramped up its spree of raids on refugee camps, destroying their
    infrastructure, and systematically forcing inhabitants to live in a
    situation similar to the one lived in Gaza.

    I have lived in Palestine almost all my life. The Nakba has always
    been part of my consciousness. Its continuity has been my reality.
    However, there are particular dimensions to the experience of living
    the Nakba that I had never known, except in the memories of those who
    lived in its early years. My father, who grew up in the 1950s and
    1960s, always struggles to contain his tears when he describes the
    refugee families, expelled from West Jerusalem, Lydd, Ramleh, and
    their surrounding villages, and how they were still sleeping in
    stables and caves in our hometown in the late 1950s because all the
    houses were taken. He would describe how they had lost all their
    possessions and were forced into underpaid labor in the fields to
    sustain themselves, how some of their children had bare floors for
    beds, and how they had gradually started to become part of the town’s
    social fabric. Some of them, with peasant origins, took their sick
    children to the church in our Christian town and, despite being
    Muslims, had them baptized out of simple religiosity, imploring the
    Virgin, the saints, and the prophet Muhammad to heal them because they
    couldn’t afford medical care.

    The fresh face of the Nakba

    When he was 17, my father and his friends were guarding the town’s
    entrance with sticks during the 1967 war. A Jordanian officer stopped
    to ask for a cup of water from his car on his way out of the town and
    told them: “Go home boys, the country is lost.” Every time he tells
    this story, my father shakes as he weeps. His voice trembles and his
    eyes take a devastating look of deep sorrow, as if he had just
    witnessed his entire world crumble before his eyes. He had grown up
    listening to refugees telling the terrifying stories of Zionist
    massacres in Qibya, Deir Yassin, and Dawaymeh, and watched them live
    through the humiliation and misery of being homeless, gradually losing
    every hope of going back to their homes. My father and his entire
    generation felt, during the Arab defeat of 1967, that their turn had
    come and that their entire world, their memories, their traditions,
    their life in their town, their future dreams, all crumbled before
    their eyes. That aspect of experiencing the Nakba first-hand is
    something I didn’t know until last year.

    On October 12, 2023, I decided not to work from home, despite the
    Israeli checkpoints and settlers blocking or threatening roads all
    around us. I stayed in Ramallah until late in the night, refusing to
    give up the slight piece of “normality” I had in my everyday life. But
    the roads were completely closed after settlers attacked Palestinian
    cars, and I was forced to stay that night away from home. Then, at
    around midnight, in a popular cafe in Ramallah, the fresh face of the
    renewed Nakba, which Palestinians in Gaza were already reliving,
    looked at me through my phone screen. A friend sent me video footage
    of my town’s streets, a few minutes prior, where tractors loaded with mattresses and furniture were rolling down the road. Israeli settlers
    had just expelled 40 Palestinian Bedouin families from their community
    in Wadi Siq, 10 minutes away from our town. They had lost their
    grazing lands, their homes, and part of their livestock, and were
    looking for an empty lot of land to stay the night.

    As I watched, terrified, I received another message from a colleague
    who thought I was at home, telling me not to go out because settlers
    had shot at a Palestinian car two hours earlier on the road to
    Ramallah, the same road I take every day just 10 minutes away from
    town in the opposite direction. A Palestinian family from the
    neighboring town was in the car returning from a family dinner. The
    mother was wounded, and her 17-year-old son, whom I had known as a
    child, was killed.

    I could hear the voice of that officer whispering in my ear from 56
    years away: “Go home, boy, the country is lost.”

    My voice trembled, and my eyes were suddenly taken by a deep,
    devastating sorrow, as I could picture my entire world crumbling. My
    tears blurred my phone screen.

    Denial of humanity

    Three days earlier, on October 9, Israel’s war minister, Yoav Gallant, announced to the entire world what his state was going to do to the
    people of Gaza. “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza; there will
    be no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel,” Gallant said, and then concluded with one of the most honest expressions by an Israeli leader
    ever: “We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly.”

    Gallant didn’t say that his siege targeted only Hamas, nor did it. The
    siege he announced and that his army continues to impose includes two
    million Palestinians, half of whom are children. Israel had just told
    the entire world, unchecked, that it sees all Palestinians in Gaza as
    less than humans, closer to animals. And since there is no essential,
    intrinsic difference between any Palestinian in Gaza and any
    Palestinian anywhere else, that declaration includes all of us,
    Palestinians; the 14 million of us around the world. The ‘radicals’
    among us and the ‘moderate’. The political and less political ones.
    The young and the old, men and women, Christians and Muslims, and even
    those who collaborate with Israel. It is an entire nation that was
    excluded from the human race, officially, by a key minister of a state
    who is a key ally of the world’s only superpower.

    What followed was the wiping out of the entire material components of
    Gaza’s civilization, and the physical elimination of 2 to 3 percent of
    its population by Israel. The siege that Gallant announced provoked
    the spread of starvation and disease in the Gaza Strip. But this
    racist, criminal logic has been doubled down by the leaders of the
    majority of Western countries. As the U.S. president and his secretary
    of state continue to insist that they are trying their best to reach a ceasefire, the U.S. administration continues to provide arms and
    political support to Israel. According to a recent report by Brown
    University’s ‘Costs of War’ project, the U.S. has provided 17.9
    billion dollars worth of military assistance to Israel since October
    7, more than in any year since the U.S. began to grant military
    assistance to Israel. It has also been the year in which Israel has
    killed more Palestinians than in any other year since Israel’s
    foundation.

    Palestine at the heart of a new world

    With every school bombed, with every hospital destroyed, with every
    family expelled from its home, the leaders of the Western world,
    especially the U.S., have been telling us straight in the face that we
    are human animals. That our lives aren’t worth anything. That our
    existence is undesired. However, this has also been a year of
    Palestinian steadfastness, and of global solidarity with our people.
    After a year of genocide, 18 years of blockade on Gaza, 56 years of
    occupation, and 76 years of Nakba and ethnic cleansing, Gaza is not
    dead. Its social cohesion still stands. The resolve of its people to
    start life from scratch has proven time and time again, after every
    Israeli withdrawal from any destroyed neighborhood, to be unbroken. In
    the West Bank, in Jerusalem, and everywhere else on our land,
    Palestinians continue to live and recreate life every single day,
    without having submitted. It has been a year of resilience and
    perseverance. Something that only humans, on the highest levels of
    humanity, can do.

    “The country is ours,” my father and his friends replied to that
    defeated officer in 1967. “We won’t leave.”

    57 years later, as I watched the Nakba renewed on my phone screen and
    the voice of that officer whispered in my ear, my father’s young voice
    sounded in my other ear: “We won’t leave.”

    That voice, also coming from the rubble of Gaza and its tent camps has
    grown over the past year. It has been amplified by the millions of
    citizens in the streets of all major cities around the world against
    the deafening silence of their governments. They are all replying to
    all those who continue to deny our humanity.

    We won’t leave our land, and we won’t leave history because neither
    history nor geography would make any sense without us.

    We, the “human animals,” gave the world Christianity and with it, the
    values of compassion, justice, and human fraternity upon which all
    modern humanist philosophies were built. We are part of the Arab and
    Muslim civilizations that gave humanity mathematics, chemistry, and
    modern medicine. We, the “human animals” gave the Western imagination
    the names of Jerusalem, Bethlehem, and Nazareth, and continue to give
    these names, through our resilience, the life that makes them more
    than mere names in the Western imagination.

    We gave the world most of the traditions that mark most of your
    holidays, and continue to preserve the origins of these traditions in
    our everyday culture. We, the “human animals” gave the Arab world its
    first feminist movement, its first female radio anchor, its first
    female photographer, and its first women-led rally, and gave Arab and
    world literature Mai Zyadeh, Mahmoud Darwish, Samira Azzam, Hussein
    Barghouthi, Ghassan Kanafani, and Edward Said.

    And as the powerful of this world continue to try to erase our
    existence, they continue to destroy the foundations of the corrupted,
    inhumane world system that they built, excluding us. And before the
    new world, more humane and just, is fully born, with Palestine at its
    heart, they will see their world crumble before their eyes until
    nothing will be left of it to be sorry for. After all, what is any
    world worth without Palestine?

    https://mondoweiss.net/2024/10/after-a-year-of-extermination-palestine-is-still-alive/


    These good Palestinian men, wome, and children have earned the right
    to label themselves as 'Holocaust Survivors' and demand reparations
    from the Zio-nazis.

    "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"

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  • From NefeshBarYochai@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 10 20:30:45 2024
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    By Qassam Muaddi October 9, 2024

    In response to the attack that killed roughly 1,200 Israelis

    Well, one must ask: why did Hamas begin the war?

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to NefeshBarYochai on Thu Oct 10 15:26:18 2024
    On 10/10/24 13:30, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    By Qassam Muaddi October 9, 2024

    In response to the attack that killed roughly 1,200 Israelis

    Well, one must ask: why did Hamas begin the war?


    Because of the Occupation of Palestinian land by the
    Occupiers. At least that is what they say. I think that may
    not be the whole truth. I think both sides of this really
    monstrous show of murder and destruction suffer from the
    need for revenge.

    Do not the scriptures of both the Palestinians and
    the Israelis contain the admonition to leave Vengeance to
    the Lord who promises to repay.

    Bad shows by the followers of Abrahamic religions.

    bliss

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Fri Oct 11 01:00:41 2024
    Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> writes:
    On 10/10/24 13:30, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    By Qassam Muaddi October 9, 2024

    In response to the attack that killed roughly 1,200 Israelis

    Well, one must ask: why did Hamas begin the war?


    Because of the Occupation of Palestinian land by the
    Occupiers. At least that is what they say. I think that may
    not be the whole truth. I think both sides of this really
    monstrous show of murder and destruction suffer from the
    need for revenge.

    A fellow named Balfour in 1917 proposed a homeland
    for the Jews in what became the british palestine mandate. Mainly
    to get them out of europe; there was much prejudice in
    the 17th, 18th, 19th, and even early 20th centuries both
    in the States and in Europe. Balfour at least
    proposed a fully independent two-state solution.

    His Majesty's Government view with favour the
    establishment in Palestine of a national home
    for the Jewish people, and will use their best
    endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this
    object, it being clearly understood that nothing
    shall be done which may prejudice the civil and
    religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities
    in Palestine, or the rights and political status
    enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration


    After WWII, the fledgling UN ran with Balfours idea;
    and the zionists initiated a terror campaign in palestine
    (e.g. the King David Hotel bombing). A portion of
    palestine was designated as "Israel" and the former
    occupants were forcibly relocated from their ancestral
    lands.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

    Consequently, they fought back. Several times, but
    Israel with the aid of the west took control of _more_
    land (the West Bank, the Golan Heights, etc) further
    displacing the existing residents.

    I suspect that anyone evicted anywhere in the world
    from their ancestral lands would attempt to fight
    to regain them, whether it is in the middle east, the steppes
    of Russia, Texas or central europe.

    Given the military advantages for the Israelis, primarily
    due to western support, asymmetric warfare is inevitable;
    it is always just a matter of time until the next explosion.

    Framing it as a religious issue is useful to ensure
    support for Israel, particularly in the christian
    west, but it really has little to do with religion.

    A legitimate two-state solution, with the west bank
    settlements under palestinian political control would
    likely be the minimum required to reduce the regional
    flammability, along with full self-determination in
    Gaza. I really don't see it happening, particularly
    with the nationalists in charge on both sides.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Thu Oct 10 19:20:11 2024
    On 10/10/24 18:00, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> writes:
    On 10/10/24 13:30, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    By Qassam Muaddi October 9, 2024

    In response to the attack that killed roughly 1,200 Israelis

    Well, one must ask: why did Hamas begin the war?


    Because of the Occupation of Palestinian land by the
    Occupiers. At least that is what they say. I think that may
    not be the whole truth. I think both sides of this really
    monstrous show of murder and destruction suffer from the
    need for revenge.

    A fellow named Balfour in 1917 proposed a homeland
    for the Jews in what became the british palestine mandate. Mainly
    to get them out of europe; there was much prejudice in
    the 17th, 18th, 19th, and even early 20th centuries both
    in the States and in Europe. Balfour at least
    proposed a fully independent two-state solution.

    His Majesty's Government view with favour the
    establishment in Palestine of a national home
    for the Jewish people, and will use their best
    endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this
    object, it being clearly understood that nothing
    shall be done which may prejudice the civil and
    religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities
    in Palestine, or the rights and political status
    enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration


    After WWII, the fledgling UN ran with Balfours idea;
    and the zionists initiated a terror campaign in palestine
    (e.g. the King David Hotel bombing). A portion of
    palestine was designated as "Israel" and the former
    occupants were forcibly relocated from their ancestral
    lands.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

    Consequently, they fought back. Several times, but
    Israel with the aid of the west took control of _more_
    land (the West Bank, the Golan Heights, etc) further
    displacing the existing residents.

    I suspect that anyone evicted anywhere in the world
    from their ancestral lands would attempt to fight
    to regain them, whether it is in the middle east, the steppes
    of Russia, Texas or central europe.

    Given the military advantages for the Israelis, primarily
    due to western support, asymmetric warfare is inevitable;
    it is always just a matter of time until the next explosion.

    Framing it as a religious issue is useful to ensure
    support for Israel, particularly in the christian
    west, but it really has little to do with religion.

    A legitimate two-state solution, with the west bank
    settlements under palestinian political control would
    likely be the minimum required to reduce the regional
    flammability, along with full self-determination in
    Gaza. I really don't see it happening, particularly
    with the nationalists in charge on both sides.

    Sadly I feel you are correct.
    bliss

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to BobbieInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.c on Fri Oct 11 13:33:17 2024
    Bobbie Sellers <BobbieInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    On 10/10/24 13:30, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    By Qassam Muaddi October 9, 2024

    In response to the attack that killed roughly 1,200 Israelis

    Well, one must ask: why did Hamas begin the war?


    Because of the Occupation of Palestinian land by the
    Occupiers. At least that is what they say. I think that may
    not be the whole truth. I think both sides of this really
    monstrous show of murder and destruction suffer from the
    need for revenge.

    That's the problem. The war was begun so long ago that nobody
    even really remembers why it started and how it started, but
    both sides are convinced of the righteousness of their side and
    their own definition of what winning means. Neither government
    wants to compromise and the people that governed are the losers.
    --scott

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Fri Oct 11 08:49:50 2024
    On 10/11/24 06:33, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Bobbie Sellers <BobbieInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    On 10/10/24 13:30, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    By Qassam Muaddi October 9, 2024

    In response to the attack that killed roughly 1,200 Israelis

    Well, one must ask: why did Hamas begin the war?


    Because of the Occupation of Palestinian land by the
    Occupiers. At least that is what they say. I think that may
    not be the whole truth. I think both sides of this really
    monstrous show of murder and destruction suffer from the
    need for revenge.

    That's the problem. The war was begun so long ago that nobody
    even really remembers why it started and how it started, but
    both sides are convinced of the righteousness of their side and
    their own definition of what winning means. Neither government
    wants to compromise and the people that governed are the losers.
    --scott

    We know exactly how the conflict started. Look up
    the Stern Gang who were Jewish terrorists who made Israel
    possible. On the Other hand we have the displaced Palestians
    who had been under the rule of an anti-Semitic governor for
    a long time, actually we should say an Anti-Jewish governor
    who corresponded with the well-known Austrian Adoph Hitler.
    So the Palestians responded with violence and the
    Israeli began to push them out.Resent buil on all sides
    and exploded into multiple attempts by local powers to
    shut Israel down which were doomed by the fighting will
    of the Israelis. The Israelis continued though to
    misuse and disrespect the land rights of people whose
    occupancy of the land in some cases goes back 4000
    years or more. The myth is that ~2000 years ago the
    Romans kicked the Jewish people out of Palestine and
    maybe the way the people of that time who believe
    that their Univesal God had chosen them and the Land
    of Israel was to be theirs led them to behave as
    capable of defeating the Roman Legions.
    Netenyahu tried bribing HAMAS which is whi they
    dug so many tunnels before the attack of Oct.6, 2023.
    HAMAS expected a less violent responce but apparently
    terrorist groups attrack a violent membership and more
    people were killed in the incursion than was sensible
    for the bargaining chips aka hostages they took.

    bliss

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  • From Don@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Fri Oct 11 17:39:00 2024
    Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Bobbie Sellers writes:
    NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    By Qassam Muaddi October 9, 2024

    In response to the attack that killed roughly 1,200 Israelis

    Well, one must ask: why did Hamas begin the war?


    Because of the Occupation of Palestinian land by the
    Occupiers. At least that is what they say. I think that may
    not be the whole truth. I think both sides of this really
    monstrous show of murder and destruction suffer from the
    need for revenge.

    A fellow named Balfour in 1917 proposed a homeland
    for the Jews in what became the british palestine mandate. Mainly
    to get them out of europe; there was much prejudice in
    the 17th, 18th, 19th, and even early 20th centuries both
    in the States and in Europe. Balfour at least
    proposed a fully independent two-state solution.

    His Majesty's Government view with favour the
    establishment in Palestine of a national home
    for the Jewish people, and will use their best
    endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this
    object, it being clearly understood that nothing
    shall be done which may prejudice the civil and
    religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities
    in Palestine, or the rights and political status
    enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration


    After WWII, the fledgling UN ran with Balfours idea;
    and the zionists initiated a terror campaign in palestine
    (e.g. the King David Hotel bombing). A portion of
    palestine was designated as "Israel" and the former
    occupants were forcibly relocated from their ancestral
    lands.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

    Consequently, they fought back. Several times, but
    Israel with the aid of the west took control of _more_
    land (the West Bank, the Golan Heights, etc) further
    displacing the existing residents.

    I suspect that anyone evicted anywhere in the world
    from their ancestral lands would attempt to fight
    to regain them, whether it is in the middle east, the steppes
    of Russia, Texas or central europe.

    Given the military advantages for the Israelis, primarily
    due to western support, asymmetric warfare is inevitable;
    it is always just a matter of time until the next explosion.

    Framing it as a religious issue is useful to ensure
    support for Israel, particularly in the christian
    west, but it really has little to do with religion.

    A legitimate two-state solution, with the west bank
    settlements under palestinian political control would
    likely be the minimum required to reduce the regional
    flammability, along with full self-determination in
    Gaza. I really don't see it happening, particularly
    with the nationalists in charge on both sides.

    Does London empire building by any other name misdirect as much? It
    somewhat suprised me to see the State subvert storied Master of the
    Universe Rothschild in the passage below.

    Prime Minister Netanyahu spoke historically. He spoke with
    feeling, context and emotion that came from the heart.
    "There is no exaggeration," Patterson was the "commander of
    the first Jewish fighting force in nearly two millennia.
    And as such, he can be called the godfather of the Israeli
    army."

    ...

    John Henry Patterson was born November 19, 1867 in Forgney,
    Ireland, a small town known because it was the birthplace
    of poet Oliver Goldsmith. Patterson's father was a Protestant,
    his mother a Roman Catholic. Patterson was raised as a
    Protestant. He did not have any deep religious convictions.

    ...

    Because of Patterson, Amery was a strong supporter of the
    Jewish Legion and Zionism but for different reasons. Amery's
    primary motivation was to use the Jews to help Britain wrest
    control of Palestine from the Turks for Britain.

    ...

    With the approval of the Jewish Legion, opposition by the
    assimilationist British Jewish establishment swung into
    high gear. Lionel de Rothschild and Lord Swarthling joined
    forces to pressure Derby to cancel the Legion.

    <http://www.jewish-american-society-for-historic-preservation.org/images/Patterson_-_JASHP-1.pdf>

    Danke,

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