By Qassam Muaddi October 9, 2024
In response to the attack that killed roughly 1,200 Israelis
By Qassam Muaddi October 9, 2024
In response to the attack that killed roughly 1,200 Israelis
Well, one must ask: why did Hamas begin the war?
On 10/10/24 13:30, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
By Qassam Muaddi October 9, 2024
In response to the attack that killed roughly 1,200 Israelis
Well, one must ask: why did Hamas begin the war?
Because of the Occupation of Palestinian land by the
Occupiers. At least that is what they say. I think that may
not be the whole truth. I think both sides of this really
monstrous show of murder and destruction suffer from the
need for revenge.
Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> writes:
On 10/10/24 13:30, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
By Qassam Muaddi October 9, 2024
In response to the attack that killed roughly 1,200 Israelis
Well, one must ask: why did Hamas begin the war?
Because of the Occupation of Palestinian land by the
Occupiers. At least that is what they say. I think that may
not be the whole truth. I think both sides of this really
monstrous show of murder and destruction suffer from the
need for revenge.
A fellow named Balfour in 1917 proposed a homeland
for the Jews in what became the british palestine mandate. Mainly
to get them out of europe; there was much prejudice in
the 17th, 18th, 19th, and even early 20th centuries both
in the States and in Europe. Balfour at least
proposed a fully independent two-state solution.
His Majesty's Government view with favour the
establishment in Palestine of a national home
for the Jewish people, and will use their best
endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this
object, it being clearly understood that nothing
shall be done which may prejudice the civil and
religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities
in Palestine, or the rights and political status
enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
After WWII, the fledgling UN ran with Balfours idea;
and the zionists initiated a terror campaign in palestine
(e.g. the King David Hotel bombing). A portion of
palestine was designated as "Israel" and the former
occupants were forcibly relocated from their ancestral
lands.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
Consequently, they fought back. Several times, but
Israel with the aid of the west took control of _more_
land (the West Bank, the Golan Heights, etc) further
displacing the existing residents.
I suspect that anyone evicted anywhere in the world
from their ancestral lands would attempt to fight
to regain them, whether it is in the middle east, the steppes
of Russia, Texas or central europe.
Given the military advantages for the Israelis, primarily
due to western support, asymmetric warfare is inevitable;
it is always just a matter of time until the next explosion.
Framing it as a religious issue is useful to ensure
support for Israel, particularly in the christian
west, but it really has little to do with religion.
A legitimate two-state solution, with the west bank
settlements under palestinian political control would
likely be the minimum required to reduce the regional
flammability, along with full self-determination in
Gaza. I really don't see it happening, particularly
with the nationalists in charge on both sides.
On 10/10/24 13:30, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
By Qassam Muaddi October 9, 2024
In response to the attack that killed roughly 1,200 Israelis
Well, one must ask: why did Hamas begin the war?
Because of the Occupation of Palestinian land by the
Occupiers. At least that is what they say. I think that may
not be the whole truth. I think both sides of this really
monstrous show of murder and destruction suffer from the
need for revenge.
Bobbie Sellers <BobbieInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
On 10/10/24 13:30, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
By Qassam Muaddi October 9, 2024
In response to the attack that killed roughly 1,200 Israelis
Well, one must ask: why did Hamas begin the war?
Because of the Occupation of Palestinian land by the
Occupiers. At least that is what they say. I think that may
not be the whole truth. I think both sides of this really
monstrous show of murder and destruction suffer from the
need for revenge.
That's the problem. The war was begun so long ago that nobody
even really remembers why it started and how it started, but
both sides are convinced of the righteousness of their side and
their own definition of what winning means. Neither government
wants to compromise and the people that governed are the losers.
--scott
Bobbie Sellers writes:
NefeshBarYochai wrote:
By Qassam Muaddi October 9, 2024
In response to the attack that killed roughly 1,200 Israelis
Well, one must ask: why did Hamas begin the war?
Because of the Occupation of Palestinian land by the
Occupiers. At least that is what they say. I think that may
not be the whole truth. I think both sides of this really
monstrous show of murder and destruction suffer from the
need for revenge.
A fellow named Balfour in 1917 proposed a homeland
for the Jews in what became the british palestine mandate. Mainly
to get them out of europe; there was much prejudice in
the 17th, 18th, 19th, and even early 20th centuries both
in the States and in Europe. Balfour at least
proposed a fully independent two-state solution.
His Majesty's Government view with favour the
establishment in Palestine of a national home
for the Jewish people, and will use their best
endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this
object, it being clearly understood that nothing
shall be done which may prejudice the civil and
religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities
in Palestine, or the rights and political status
enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
After WWII, the fledgling UN ran with Balfours idea;
and the zionists initiated a terror campaign in palestine
(e.g. the King David Hotel bombing). A portion of
palestine was designated as "Israel" and the former
occupants were forcibly relocated from their ancestral
lands.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
Consequently, they fought back. Several times, but
Israel with the aid of the west took control of _more_
land (the West Bank, the Golan Heights, etc) further
displacing the existing residents.
I suspect that anyone evicted anywhere in the world
from their ancestral lands would attempt to fight
to regain them, whether it is in the middle east, the steppes
of Russia, Texas or central europe.
Given the military advantages for the Israelis, primarily
due to western support, asymmetric warfare is inevitable;
it is always just a matter of time until the next explosion.
Framing it as a religious issue is useful to ensure
support for Israel, particularly in the christian
west, but it really has little to do with religion.
A legitimate two-state solution, with the west bank
settlements under palestinian political control would
likely be the minimum required to reduce the regional
flammability, along with full self-determination in
Gaza. I really don't see it happening, particularly
with the nationalists in charge on both sides.
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