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Let us be clear.

Gaza was a crime, even before Israel�s current genocidal war. One of
the world�s most densely populated spaces served for years as what was essentially the world�s largest open air prison. If not a crime, it
was certainly a violation of international law and an affront to human
dignity and decency.

However, the recent horrifying events perpetrated there seem to have
awakened the world�s conscience. Tragically, despite widespread
international demonstrations and condemnation no ceasefire has been
achieved and Gaza�s humanitarian crisis continues. Those who are not
killed by Israel�s relentless bombing will suffer from continued
displacement, or, even worse, die from starvation and disease.

Moreover, this crisis continues to escalate. What began in Gaza one
year ago now threatens to engulf the entire region in a conflagration
that could further enflame hatred, wreak devastation, worsen the
humanitarian crisis, and redraw the map of the entire region.

However, imagine for a moment what might have happened if a
coordinated global solidarity movement for peace and justice in Israel
and Palestine existed? Could it have brought political pressure on
governments to demand a ceasefire and end the flow of weapons to
Israel, thus ending the genocide in Gaza��perhaps within the first
month of the hostilities? How many lives could have been saved, and
how much senseless violence and devastation could have been avoided?
Many of us from an earlier generation believed that we had built such
a movement in the mid-1980s.

At one time, the International Coordinating Committee on the Question
of Palestine (ICCP) comprised more than 1,200 member organizations
worldwide. The outcome of a United Nations (UN) initiative for a
global conference on Palestine, these highly diverse non-governmental organizations (NGOs) ranged in size, scope, and diversity from small
grassroots committees to large and complex organizations such as the
Canadian Autoworkers and many American Protestant churches. Vibrant
networks operated in Europe, North America, Africa, Latin America, and
Asia as well as separate networks in Israel and Palestine.

However, we found ourselves haunted by the question of sustainability
as we witnessed its demise in the mid-1990s. It is likely that most contemporary organizers are unaware of its existence, but the story of
the ICCP holds many important lessons for today�s organizers.

<CONTINUE READING>

https://mondoweiss.net/2024/10/an-international-civil-society-movement-for-palestine-is-needed-today-more-than-ever/

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"NefeshBarYochai" <void@invalid.noy> wrote in message news:ph9gij94cddjg0mttjc0p91dcffatsfqt8@4ax.com...

Let us be clear.

Gaza was a crime

Bullshit.

even before Israel's current genocidal war.

You mean the one forced on them by Hamas which has the EXTERMINATION of the entire Jewish population as one of their mandates?

One of
the world's most densely populated spaces served for years as what was essentially the world's largest open air prison.

If the people didn't like it, they were free to leave anytime they wanted
to.

If not a crime, it
was certainly a violation of international law and an affront to human dignity and decency.

Hamas? They certainly are.

However, the recent horrifying events perpetrated there seem to have
awakened the world's conscience.

That Hamas are dangerous religious zealots that seek the utter extermination
of all Jews?

Tragically, despite widespread
international demonstrations and condemnation no ceasefire has been
achieved and Gaza's humanitarian crisis continues.

Because Hamas won't quit until all the Jews are dead.

Those who are not
killed by Israel's relentless bombing will suffer from continued displacement, or, even worse, die from starvation and disease.

Which can all be blamed on Hamas.. for attempting to use innocent people has human shields and hiding among those innocent people like the cowards they
are.

Moreover, this crisis continues to escalate.

As Hamas refuses to quit.

What began in Gaza one
year ago now threatens to engulf the entire region in a conflagration
that could further enflame hatred, wreak devastation, worsen the
humanitarian crisis, and redraw the map of the entire region.

Hence the need for the extermination of Hamas and the escalation of the
Jew's efforts towards that end

However, imagine for a moment what might have happened if a
coordinated global solidarity movement for peace and justice in Israel
and Palestine existed?

Hamas would all be dead or in custody.

We don't blame the victim for being mugged and we certainly don't blame them for defending themselves.

Hamas started it, continues it, and refuses to give any consideration to the innocent lives of those they hide behind.

I see 3 solutions.

1) Hamas exterminates the Jews as they seek to do.
2) Jews kill off all the member of Hamas in their self defense.
3) Hamas decides they can get along with the Jews.

I would add 4, but Jews have regularly tried getting along with Hamas who
then always attacks the Jews once the feel they have amassed enough power.
So I no longer see that as a viable option, unless efforts are made on #3

So let's be very clear.

Hamas started the war, continues the war, and seems unwilling to EVER live
in peace with Jews.

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On 11/3/24 17:45, NefeshBarYochai wrote:

Let us be clear.

Gaza was a crime,

Yes, Nefesh,
"Ross also quoted Saudi Prince Bandar as saying while negotiations were
taking place: "If Arafat does not accept what is available now, it won't
be a tragedy; it will be a crime."[62]

Hey Nefesh, do you agree it was a crime to not accept in 2000?
Again, the Palestinians could have had their own state.
Yet another time, they chose to not have their own state,
an independent and internationally recognized country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit#:~:text=The%20proposal%20demanded%20any%20territory,narrow%20strip%20of%20Israeli%20land.

"Clinton's initiative led to the Taba negotiations in January 2001,
where the two sides published a statement saying they had never been
closer to agreement

Clinton blamed Arafat after the failure of the talks, stating, "I regret
that in 2000 Arafat missed the opportunity to bring that nation into
being and pray for the day when the dreams of the Palestinian people for
a state and a better life will be realized in a just and lasting peace."
The failure to come to an agreement was widely attributed to Yasser
Arafat, as he walked away from the table without making a concrete counter-offer and because Arafat did little to quell the series of
Palestinian riots that began shortly after the summit.[56][57][58]
Arafat was also accused of scuttling the talks by Nabil Amr, a former
minister in the Palestinian Authority.[59] In My Life, Clinton wrote
that Arafat once complimented Clinton by telling him, "You are a great
man." Clinton responded, "I am not a great man. I am a failure, and you
made me one."[60]

Ross also quoted Saudi Prince Bandar as saying while negotiations were
taking place: "If Arafat does not accept what is available now, it won't
be a tragedy; it will be a crime."[62]

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On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 10:47:40 -0800, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com>
wrote:

On 11/3/24 17:45, NefeshBarYochai wrote:

Let us be clear.

Gaza was a crime,

Yes, Nefesh,
"Ross also quoted Saudi Prince Bandar as saying while negotiations were >taking place: "If Arafat does not accept what is available now, it won't
be a tragedy; it will be a crime."[62]

Hey Nefesh, do you agree it was a crime to not accept in 2000?
Again, the Palestinians could have had their own state.
Yet another time, they chose to not have their own state,
an independent and internationally recognized country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit#:~:text=The%20proposal%20demanded%20any%20territory,narrow%20strip%20of%20Israeli%20land.

"Clinton's initiative led to the Taba negotiations in January 2001,
where the two sides published a statement saying they had never been
closer to agreement

Clinton blamed Arafat after the failure of the talks, stating, "I regret
that in 2000 Arafat missed the opportunity to bring that nation into
being and pray for the day when the dreams of the Palestinian people for
a state and a better life will be realized in a just and lasting peace."
The failure to come to an agreement was widely attributed to Yasser
Arafat, as he walked away from the table without making a concrete >counter-offer and because Arafat did little to quell the series of >Palestinian riots that began shortly after the summit.[56][57][58]
Arafat was also accused of scuttling the talks by Nabil Amr, a former >minister in the Palestinian Authority.[59] In My Life, Clinton wrote
that Arafat once complimented Clinton by telling him, "You are a great
man." Clinton responded, "I am not a great man. I am a failure, and you
made me one."[60]

Ross also quoted Saudi Prince Bandar as saying while negotiations were
taking place: "If Arafat does not accept what is available now, it won't
be a tragedy; it will be a crime."[62]

Any Palestinian leader who agreed to such an accord would have been
committing treason. The Zionists stole that part of Palestine you now
call Israel. The Palestinians welcome a democracy encompassing all of Palestine, open to Palestinian and native Jew alike. One person, one
vote. Can't get more fair than that.

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Isn't this democracy?

Hamas' dream of world conquest and Islamic rule over the
entire planet, w/o any "Jews or Christian traitors" ******************************************************* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt0Gz7XOuKY https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-765304?dicbo=v2-6NXz5D9

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"NefeshBarYochai" <void@invalid.noy> wrote in message news:0nuiijlcdgobp7s7innnnqaabbqh3t7pve@4ax.com...

On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 10:47:40 -0800, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com>
wrote:

On 11/3/24 17:45, NefeshBarYochai wrote:

Let us be clear.

Gaza was a crime,

Yes, Nefesh,
"Ross also quoted Saudi Prince Bandar as saying while negotiations were >>taking place: "If Arafat does not accept what is available now, it won't
be a tragedy; it will be a crime."[62]

Hey Nefesh, do you agree it was a crime to not accept in 2000?
Again, the Palestinians could have had their own state.
Yet another time, they chose to not have their own state,
an independent and internationally recognized country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit#:~:text=The%20proposal%20demanded%20any%20territory,narrow%20strip%20of%20Israeli%20land.

"Clinton's initiative led to the Taba negotiations in January 2001,
where the two sides published a statement saying they had never been
closer to agreement

Clinton blamed Arafat after the failure of the talks, stating, "I regret >>that in 2000 Arafat missed the opportunity to bring that nation into
being and pray for the day when the dreams of the Palestinian people for
a state and a better life will be realized in a just and lasting peace." >>The failure to come to an agreement was widely attributed to Yasser
Arafat, as he walked away from the table without making a concrete >>counter-offer and because Arafat did little to quell the series of >>Palestinian riots that began shortly after the summit.[56][57][58]
Arafat was also accused of scuttling the talks by Nabil Amr, a former >>minister in the Palestinian Authority.[59] In My Life, Clinton wrote
that Arafat once complimented Clinton by telling him, "You are a great >>man." Clinton responded, "I am not a great man. I am a failure, and you >>made me one."[60]

Ross also quoted Saudi Prince Bandar as saying while negotiations were >>taking place: "If Arafat does not accept what is available now, it won't
be a tragedy; it will be a crime."[62]

Any Palestinian leader who agreed to such an accord would have been committing treason. The Zionists stole that part of Palestine you now
call Israel.

Bullshit. There has NEVER been a Palestine state. EVER. The Jews however,
lived in that area for thousands of years and even the prophet Mohammad
stated as much in his writings.

The area has been attacked and conquered over and over and over, and never
was there a Palestine state.. but it is and was the home of the Jews.

All I can say if you were offered a settlement, it was turned down, we no longer need to consider your desires. You are like spoiled children that
refuse to share and demand nothing but the entire candy bar.. which was
never yours in the first place.

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On 11/5/24 06:52, Scout wrote:

"NefeshBarYochai" <void@invalid.noy> wrote in message news:0nuiijlcdgobp7s7innnnqaabbqh3t7pve@4ax.com...

On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 10:47:40 -0800, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com>
wrote:

On 11/3/24 17:45, NefeshBarYochai wrote:

Let us be clear.

Gaza was a crime,

Yes, Nefesh,
"Ross also quoted Saudi Prince Bandar as saying while negotiations were
taking place: "If Arafat does not accept what is available now, it won't >>> be a tragedy; it will be a crime."[62]

Hey Nefesh, do you agree it was a crime to not accept in 2000?
Again, the Palestinians could have had their own state.
Yet another time, they chose to not have their own state,
an independent and internationally recognized country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/
wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit#:~:text=The%20proposal%20demanded%20any%20territory,narrow%20strip%20of%20Israeli%20land.

"Clinton's initiative led to the Taba negotiations in January 2001,
where the two sides published a statement saying they had never been
closer to agreement

Clinton blamed Arafat after the failure of the talks, stating, "I regret >>> that in 2000 Arafat missed the opportunity to bring that nation into
being and pray for the day when the dreams of the Palestinian people for >>> a state and a better life will be realized in a just and lasting peace." >>> The failure to come to an agreement was widely attributed to Yasser
Arafat, as he walked away from the table without making a concrete
counter-offer and because Arafat did little to quell the series of
Palestinian riots that began shortly after the summit.[56][57][58]
Arafat was also accused of scuttling the talks by Nabil Amr, a former
minister in the Palestinian Authority.[59] In My Life, Clinton wrote
that Arafat once complimented Clinton by telling him, "You are a great
man." Clinton responded, "I am not a great man. I am a failure, and you
made me one."[60]

Ross also quoted Saudi Prince Bandar as saying while negotiations were
taking place: "If Arafat does not accept what is available now, it won't >>> be a tragedy; it will be a crime."[62]

Any Palestinian leader who agreed to such an accord would have been
committing treason. The Zionists stole that part of Palestine you now
call Israel.

Bullshit. There has NEVER been a Palestine state. EVER. The Jews
however, lived in that area for thousands of years and even the prophet Mohammad stated as much in his writings.

It was ruled by an Ottoman governor and he was intensely antisemitic. The Palestinians lived there for at least 4000 years.
The people of the Book are always quarreling over the intepretation
of the books they hold sacred. Christians, Jews, and Moslems are
rarely of one mind on the meaning.

The area has been attacked and conquered over and over and over, and
never was there a Palestine state.. but it is and was the home of the Jews.

The home of the Jews in Jewish and Christian mythology.
The Romans destroyed the Jewish Temple and much of Jersalem in
about 33 CE. The Palestians remained because they were not temple
dependent nor had they tried to cast off the yoke of Roman imperialism.

Read the Wikipedia article on the Region of Palestine
And it ancient history. Jews did not show up until about 1300 BCE
and do not appear to have conquered the area. Thus the myth is
cast into doubt. Samson versus the Philestines-called into doubt. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine>

Even what I write is perhaps an over-simplification but
there were several states under various empires which bore the
words for Palestine in their names.

All I can say if you were offered a settlement, it was turned down, we
no longer need to consider your desires. You are like spoiled children
that refuse to share and demand nothing but the entire candy bar.. which
was never yours in the first place.

Why is not the land they farmed for thousands of years still
in their hands because in their mythology the forces of Allah would
sweep all before them and then the Palestinians could go home. That
failure of Arabian and Egyptian arms is called the Nakba which means catastrophe. Of course the Jewish people and the Palestinians are
cousins because that is the most distant relationship possible among
humanity.
So Allah aka JVH or any of other numerous alias does not
intervene in cousin versus cousin fights apparently.


bliss

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"Bobbie Sellers" <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote in message news:vgdkfv$1kbfm$1@dont-email.me...

On 11/5/24 06:52, Scout wrote:

"NefeshBarYochai" <void@invalid.noy> wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 10:47:40 -0800, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com>
wrote:

On 11/3/24 17:45, NefeshBarYochai wrote:

Let us be clear.

Gaza was a crime,

Yes, Nefesh,
"Ross also quoted Saudi Prince Bandar as saying while negotiations were >>>> taking place: "If Arafat does not accept what is available now, it
won't
be a tragedy; it will be a crime."[62]

Hey Nefesh, do you agree it was a crime to not accept in 2000?
Again, the Palestinians could have had their own state.
Yet another time, they chose to not have their own state,
an independent and internationally recognized country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/
wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit#:~:text=The%20proposal%20demanded%20any%20territory,narrow%20strip%20of%20Israeli%20land.

"Clinton's initiative led to the Taba negotiations in January 2001,
where the two sides published a statement saying they had never been
closer to agreement

Clinton blamed Arafat after the failure of the talks, stating, "I
regret
that in 2000 Arafat missed the opportunity to bring that nation into
being and pray for the day when the dreams of the Palestinian people
for
a state and a better life will be realized in a just and lasting
peace."
The failure to come to an agreement was widely attributed to Yasser
Arafat, as he walked away from the table without making a concrete
counter-offer and because Arafat did little to quell the series of
Palestinian riots that began shortly after the summit.[56][57][58]
Arafat was also accused of scuttling the talks by Nabil Amr, a former
minister in the Palestinian Authority.[59] In My Life, Clinton wrote
that Arafat once complimented Clinton by telling him, "You are a great >>>> man." Clinton responded, "I am not a great man. I am a failure, and you >>>> made me one."[60]

Ross also quoted Saudi Prince Bandar as saying while negotiations were >>>> taking place: "If Arafat does not accept what is available now, it
won't
be a tragedy; it will be a crime."[62]

Any Palestinian leader who agreed to such an accord would have been
committing treason. The Zionists stole that part of Palestine you now
call Israel.

Bullshit. There has NEVER been a Palestine state. EVER. The Jews however,
lived in that area for thousands of years and even the prophet Mohammad
stated as much in his writings.

It was ruled by an Ottoman governor and he was intensely antisemitic. The Palestinians lived there for at least 4000 years.

You mean the Jews... oh, and if it was rule over by a governor from the
Ottoman empire.. that means it was not a Palestine state.. it was merely a province of the Empire.

The people of the Book are always quarreling over the intepretation
of the books they hold sacred. Christians, Jews, and Moslems are
rarely of one mind on the meaning.

Well, the Muslim prophet Mohammad made it pretty clear that that area was
the home of the Jews who had lived there since the start of time.

No Palestine state.

The area has been attacked and conquered over and over and over, and
never was there a Palestine state.. but it is and was the home of the
Jews.

The home of the Jews in Jewish and Christian mythology.
The Romans destroyed the Jewish Temple and much of Jersalem in
about 33 CE. The Palestians remained because they were not temple
dependent nor had they tried to cast off the yoke of Roman imperialism.

I see, so the Palestines were actually the Jews..

So what does that have to do with the false claims today by Arabic
terrorists?

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On Tue, 5 Nov 2024 09:26:22 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

On 11/5/24 06:52, Scout wrote:

"NefeshBarYochai" <void@invalid.noy> wrote in message
news:0nuiijlcdgobp7s7innnnqaabbqh3t7pve@4ax.com...

On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 10:47:40 -0800, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com>
wrote:

On 11/3/24 17:45, NefeshBarYochai wrote:

Let us be clear.

Gaza was a crime,

Yes, Nefesh,
"Ross also quoted Saudi Prince Bandar as saying while negotiations were >>>> taking place: "If Arafat does not accept what is available now, it won't >>>> be a tragedy; it will be a crime."[62]

Hey Nefesh, do you agree it was a crime to not accept in 2000?
Again, the Palestinians could have had their own state.
Yet another time, they chose to not have their own state,
an independent and internationally recognized country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/
wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit#:~:text=The%20proposal%20demanded%20any%20territory,narrow%20strip%20of%20Israeli%20land.

"Clinton's initiative led to the Taba negotiations in January 2001,
where the two sides published a statement saying they had never been
closer to agreement

Clinton blamed Arafat after the failure of the talks, stating, "I regret >>>> that in 2000 Arafat missed the opportunity to bring that nation into
being and pray for the day when the dreams of the Palestinian people for >>>> a state and a better life will be realized in a just and lasting peace." >>>> The failure to come to an agreement was widely attributed to Yasser
Arafat, as he walked away from the table without making a concrete
counter-offer and because Arafat did little to quell the series of
Palestinian riots that began shortly after the summit.[56][57][58]
Arafat was also accused of scuttling the talks by Nabil Amr, a former
minister in the Palestinian Authority.[59] In My Life, Clinton wrote
that Arafat once complimented Clinton by telling him, "You are a great >>>> man." Clinton responded, "I am not a great man. I am a failure, and you >>>> made me one."[60]

Ross also quoted Saudi Prince Bandar as saying while negotiations were >>>> taking place: "If Arafat does not accept what is available now, it won't >>>> be a tragedy; it will be a crime."[62]

Any Palestinian leader who agreed to such an accord would have been
committing treason. The Zionists stole that part of Palestine you now
call Israel.

Bullshit. There has NEVER been a Palestine state. EVER. The Jews
however, lived in that area for thousands of years and even the prophet
Mohammad stated as much in his writings.

It was ruled by an Ottoman governor and he was intensely antisemitic.
The Palestinians lived there for at least 4000 years.

I think you mean "Canaanites". Which, IIRC, are now the Lebanese.

And I would think you mean the Philistines, were it not that a quick
check suggests that the term "Palestine" came from "Philistia" but was
used for all of Canaan by the Greeks and the Romans ("Syria
Palaestina"). The current "Palestinians" appear to be a mixture of
Arabs from the Islamic conquest or before, plus perhaps some Jews,
plus perhaps some Samaritans.

The people of the Book are always quarreling over the intepretation
of the books they hold sacred. Christians, Jews, and Moslems are
rarely of one mind on the meaning.

If you say so.

The area has been attacked and conquered over and over and over, and
never was there a Palestine state.. but it is and was the home of the Jews.

The home of the Jews in Jewish and Christian mythology.

And in history. Philistia was on the coast, the Israelites were
further inland. Basically, they were able to conquer the
less-populated hills but not the well-populated plains.

The Romans destroyed the Jewish Temple and much of Jersalem in
about 33 CE. The Palestians remained because they were not temple
dependent nor had they tried to cast off the yoke of Roman imperialism.

Actually, that was in 70 CE; I just read an article on "The Siege of Jerusalem". Titus, son of Vespasian, did it because Vespasian was busy
in Rome becoming Emperor after Nero was followed by three other
short-lived generals in one year.

But the Jews didn't /leave/ the area until the mid-2nd Century, when
the Romans expelled them and prohibitted their return. These were
/feisty/ Jews, and the Roman Peace was offended by them.

Read the Wikipedia article on the Region of Palestine
And it ancient history. Jews did not show up until about 1300 BCE
and do not appear to have conquered the area. Thus the myth is
cast into doubt. Samson versus the Philestines-called into doubt. ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine>

There are three different groups writing on this topic and doing the
relevant archaeology:
-- one group takes the Bible as a tour guide and everything they dig
up confirms it
-- another group takes the Bible as complete hooey and nothing they
dig up confirms it
-- a very small third group actually does non-ideological archaeology
The Wikipedia article, if it says what you claim, may have been
written by members of the second group.

As I noted above, the Israelites stuck to the hill country. This is
evident from the Bible itself, despite its repeated assertions that
"then everything else was conquered". The tribe of Dan is explicitly
said to have relocated to the North because the inhabitants of the
area originally assigned to them resisted effectively. This is why
some maps show "Dan" in two places.

Even what I write is perhaps an over-simplification but
there were several states under various empires which bore the
words for Palestine in their names.

As noted above, "Palestine" is a form of "Philistia" and the
Greeks/Romans used it for all of Canaan.

All I can say if you were offered a settlement, it was turned down, we
no longer need to consider your desires. You are like spoiled children
that refuse to share and demand nothing but the entire candy bar.. which
was never yours in the first place.

Why is not the land they farmed for thousands of years still
in their hands because in their mythology the forces of Allah would
sweep all before them and then the Palestinians could go home. That
failure of Arabian and Egyptian arms is called the Nakba which means >catastrophe. Of course the Jewish people and the Palestinians are
cousins because that is the most distant relationship possible among >humanity.

The Arab conquests were not about recovering previously-owned land;
they were about conquering the World for Allah. Which, without Charles
Martel, they might well have done (well, Europe/North Africa anyway).

If you are talking about the Arab-Israeli wars, you must understand
that the Palestinans who left their land did so after being assured
that their arab brothers would push every single Jew into the sea to
drown and then they could move back. But they failed.

So Allah aka JVH or any of other numerous alias does not
intervene in cousin versus cousin fights apparently.

That would be the Hamas/Hezbollah belief, perhaps. An alternative
would be to accept that the defeats and the establishment of Israel
were Allah's will, and that to submit to that is what is appropriate.

IOW, to focus on bullding their own State, and stop pretending they
are ever going to get their family farms back. Removing the Israeli
"colonies", however, might be a reasonable goal ... in the context of
peace breaking out. Which will only happen if /both/ sides decide they
want peace and not victory.

Just as it's about time for the older generation of Cubans to
recognize that, even in Communism falls in Cuba, they will /not/ be
getting their haciendas, campesinos, and lucrative fruit contracts
back.
--
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On 11/6/2024 10:21 AM, Paul S Person wrote:

On Tue, 5 Nov 2024 09:26:22 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

Know what, little man Ball, you get ZERO nyms to use for rebranding anymore.

YOU ARE GOING TO GITMO, MOTHERFUCKER!


Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/D.Ray/Henry Bodkin and a dozen other forged socks
of living and dead posters wrote:

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Oh poor me I got shot at ...

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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to

thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently

is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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On 11/6/24 06:18, Scout wrote:

"Bobbie Sellers" <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote in message news:vgdkfv$1kbfm$1@dont-email.me...

On 11/5/24 06:52, Scout wrote:

"NefeshBarYochai" <void@invalid.noy> wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 10:47:40 -0800, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> >>>> wrote:

On 11/3/24 17:45, NefeshBarYochai wrote:

Let us be clear.

Gaza was a crime,

Yes, Nefesh,
"Ross also quoted Saudi Prince Bandar as saying while negotiations
were
taking place: "If Arafat does not accept what is available now, it
won't
be a tragedy; it will be a crime."[62]

Hey Nefesh, do you agree it was a crime to not accept in 2000?
Again, the Palestinians could have had their own state.
Yet another time, they chose to not have their own state,
an independent and internationally recognized country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/
wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit#:~:text=The%20proposal%20demanded%20any%20territory,narrow%20strip%20of%20Israeli%20land.

"Clinton's initiative led to the Taba negotiations in January 2001,
where the two sides published a statement saying they had never been >>>>> closer to agreement

Clinton blamed Arafat after the failure of the talks, stating, "I
regret
that in 2000 Arafat missed the opportunity to bring that nation into >>>>> being and pray for the day when the dreams of the Palestinian
people for
a state and a better life will be realized in a just and lasting
peace."
The failure to come to an agreement was widely attributed to Yasser
Arafat, as he walked away from the table without making a concrete
counter-offer and because Arafat did little to quell the series of
Palestinian riots that began shortly after the summit.[56][57][58]
Arafat was also accused of scuttling the talks by Nabil Amr, a former >>>>> minister in the Palestinian Authority.[59] In My Life, Clinton wrote >>>>> that Arafat once complimented Clinton by telling him, "You are a great >>>>> man." Clinton responded, "I am not a great man. I am a failure, and
you
made me one."[60]

Ross also quoted Saudi Prince Bandar as saying while negotiations were >>>>> taking place: "If Arafat does not accept what is available now, it
won't
be a tragedy; it will be a crime."[62]

Any Palestinian leader who agreed to such an accord would have been
committing treason. The Zionists stole that part of Palestine you now
call Israel.

Bullshit. There has NEVER been a Palestine state. EVER. The Jews
however, lived in that area for thousands of years and even the
prophet Mohammad stated as much in his writings.

Thousands of years if you include the Jews remaining in the region
Palestine after the destruction of the Temple do we get to 1000s
of years otherwise about 1500 years.

Mohamed the Prophet blessed be his name, was himself a victim of
Mythology which is the only way people knew things about the past
before archeology,ethnology and modern DNA based genetics were
available.

It was ruled by an Ottoman governor and he was intensely antisemitic.
The Palestinians lived there for at least 4000 years.

No I mean the people who lived in Palestine, farming, herding,
drawing water, hewing wood, making pots and tanning leather and
leading their lives without much thought for the nature of Deity but
what was taught to them by their leaders/conquerors/priests.
These days, some are Muslims, Jews and Christians and when
the State of Israel was imposed some of them left to become
refugees and suffer the Nakba. Some stayed and are victims of the
repressive policies.

You mean the Jews... oh, and if it was rule over by a governor from the Ottoman empire.. that means it was not a Palestine state.. it was merely
a province of the Empire.

The people of the Book are always quarreling over the intepretation
of the books they hold sacred. Christians, Jews, and Moslems are
rarely of one mind on the meaning.

Well, the Muslim prophet Mohammad made it pretty clear that that area
was the home of the Jews who had lived there since the start of time.

No Palestine state.

Yes I see you are a scriptural fundamentalist and the Hindu
aka the Fire Worshipers predicate a vaster longer time since the
beginning of the World than 6000 years ago. You accept the mythology
and prefer to remain ignorant of science. The Prophet would laugh
at your ignorance.

The area has been attacked and conquered over and over and over, and
never was there a Palestine state.. but it is and was the home of the
Jews.

The home of the Jews in Jewish and Christian mythology.
The Romans destroyed the Jewish Temple and much of Jersalem in
about 66 CE. The Palestinians remained because they were not temple
dependent nor had they tried to cast off the yoke of Roman imperialism.

I see, so the Palestines were actually the Jews..

No they were the Samaritans who worshiped the same god as the
Jewish people but were execrated by the power structure in Jerusalem
in the time of the prophet called Jesus. alleged to have been the
Christ of the Christians. This religious group vanished from records
about 600 CE.

So what does that have to do with the false claims today by Arabic terrorists?

They are living in the world of Myth where they believe
multiple contradictory things. The words of the Prophet and the
relatively long historical claims of the Muslim population of the
region of Palestine against the somewhat lapsed claim of the
Jewish Masses to a historic but equally mythical prolonged claim
to the Region of Palestine.

Don't forget all the now mythical tribes that populated
the area. Philistines, Amorites and the rest. Mythical reported
to have been conquered but only the organizers died, the rest of
the people who farmed the land and herded the sheep only moved
further away from the armies of the conquerors.

It should be called the Unholy land where the conflicting
claims of prophets have been the source of endless infighting.

bliss - the hobbler but not Ahasuerus

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