Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug users on >> the street.
Parts of it, yes.
I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or vagrants.
This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a beating, and dumped them in the next county. Somebody else's problem.
The cities that are nice and clean absolutely everywhere fester with a deeper evil. If "out of sight, out of mind" is your thing, then welcome to blandsville. Just be aware of why it's so nice and clean.
Besides, as a wholehearted free market type, shouldn't you be OK with drug users on the street? They're exercising their economic right to buy the product they want and use it unrestrained by those nasty government regulations you hate so much.
Next time you meet one, thank him or her for helping to spread freedom.
There was also a lot of homos in some areas which was not good.
I don't understand why you care.
It was not pleasant at all, although the city itself was nice and
fairly walkable.
Walkable, and much worth walking to.
William Hyde
Ah.
Idaho.
Or Montana.
(When our IRS call site adopted "team concept", we decided to divide
incoming calls among teams by SSN rather than State because, as one of
us put it, "I don't want to spend an entire day talking to Idaho". Of
course, that was in the days of Rev Butler and Aryan Nations. Current
conditions may be better. Or not, at least medically.)
Thank you Paul, that confirms what I have so far been thinking about in
terms of places to move to. I have also heard good things about Wyoming,
South dakota, and someone, as strange as it may sound, also recommended the >> far eastern parts of oregon. Not sure about that one, but that was one
recommendation as well.
Eastern Oregon is indeed very conservative.
But if you want warm weather, I would recommend College Station, TX, which
usually votes more republican than the state as a whole. Its twin town, Bryan, has experienced something of a rebirth. When I was there it sported cracked sidewalks and a downtown that was empty after 5 pm But it now has good restaurants and uncracked sidewalks. Even College station now has sidewalks, though there's nowhere to take them.
Though perhaps the sidewalks have attracted flocks of liberals. They do that.
Do take note, though, that if a state official harms you or your family, say by running you over, shooting you, or so on, the compensation you can get is strictly capped at a low figure. Best have really good insurance.
Still, it's worth it so as to live without people who senselessly hold opinions that differ from yours constantly visible to you.
OBSF, Gene Wolfe studied there, in the days when female students were not allowed.
William Hyde
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
Thank you Paul, that confirms what I have so far been thinking about in
Idaho.
Or Montana.
terms of places to move to. I have also heard good things about Wyoming,
South dakota, and someone, as strange as it may sound, also recommended
the far eastern parts of oregon. Not sure about that one, but that was one >> recommendation as well.
Oregon is weird because it has a very wide mix of different locations with very different cultures in the same state and while you might like the
far eastern part, you won't like the state politics as a whole (because neither side does).
You would like Wyoming if you like long distances with nothing. It is
almost the opposite of Europe in terms of just being able to feel like
you are nowhere. I find that pleasant for a while, but not long-term.
You might like Alaska in that Alaska is filled with people who have an intense interest in personal independence. Unfortunately it is also
filled with people who have problems who had thought that if they could
just get to Alaska that everything would be fine, and so they brought
their problems with them to Alaska.
I don't know the Dakotas at all really.
--scott
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
Thank you Paul, that confirms what I have so far been thinking about in
Idaho.
Or Montana.
terms of places to move to. I have also heard good things about Wyoming, >>> South dakota, and someone, as strange as it may sound, also recommended
the far eastern parts of oregon. Not sure about that one, but that was one >>> recommendation as well.
Oregon is weird because it has a very wide mix of different locations with >> very different cultures in the same state and while you might like the
far eastern part, you won't like the state politics as a whole (because
neither side does).
California also has a very wide mix of regions with liberal and
conservative regions across the state. The liberal regions tend
to be coastal in regions with dense populations, while the
conservative regions tend to be inland and rural.
The coastal regions have better weather, but there is something
for everyone.
On 11/8/2024 4:10 PM, D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 23:11:20 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 08:11:49 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 11/7/24 04:34, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started >>>>>>> trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the >>>>>>> people/bots that I filter, that is.
    Well they haven't come for me yet. However I twisted my ankle on
October 4 then on November 1 I walked too far and ended up in a
a fresh world of pain from the ankle. It is hard for me to read and >>>>>> keep my foot elevated on an ice pack. I tend to fall asleep that
is and I have tp limit my time at the computer and doing chores.
Here's hoping your ankle heals soon.
    I am tired of responding to bigots of many persuasion who
rejoice in the appointment of a monarchial ruler by the people
who live in darkness of hate and fear.
They don't know what darkness and fear is.
As Trump himself has said, they won't need to vote for him again, if >>>>> only because of the term limit.
But voting for him was their only value to him. And we know how Trump >>>>> treats those he does not need.
    But the thought police have not come for me yet.
Well, now the healing and rebuilding of the nation can start! =)
As I noted in 2016 (not here but online elsewhere), at least with
Trump we would get many legal questions answered. And so we have. No
doubt this will continue.
And I suppose it is possible that, freed from any obligation to his
supporters since he cannot run again, he /might/ try healing and
rebuilding. As opposed to dividing and destroying.
One indicator might be if he actually pardons the Jan 6 folks. After
all, not only can they do nothing for him in the future even with
their right to vote restored, they failed in 2020. Why should he be
grateful to failure?
Let' see! It will be a very interesting 4 years for sure! I'm super excited >> about his proposed 24h ukraine fix. Personally I think he has
underestimated the complexity of the situation, but regardless, will be
interesting to see his attempt.
I don't understand how anyone thinks he could actually do that. His
proposal, as I understand it, is basically to order Ukraine to
surrender the land, people, and treasure that Putin has already
stolen, disarm, and disavow ever joining NATO.
Russia has to do nothing.
Ukraine, and Europe, quite properly, would say 'Fuck that shit',
and continue the fight without US aid. It would be hard, and
expensive, but Russia is starting to run out of men and material,
despite North Korean aid.
Trump doesn't have sufficient leverage to stop the war.
pt
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug users on >> the street. There was also a lot of homos in some areas which was not
good. It was not pleasant at all, although the city itself was nice
and fairly walkable.
As a part-time homo myself I would consider that to be a feature and not
a bug.
--scott
On 11/8/2024 3:46 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:Or enclaves of the wealthy in urban areas.
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
Thank you Paul, that confirms what I have so far been thinking about in >>>> terms of places to move to. I have also heard good things about Wyoming, >>>> South dakota, and someone, as strange as it may sound, also recommended >>>> the far eastern parts of oregon. Not sure about that one, but that was one >>>> recommendation as well.
Idaho.
Or Montana.
Oregon is weird because it has a very wide mix of different locations with >>> very different cultures in the same state and while you might like the
far eastern part, you won't like the state politics as a whole (because
neither side does).
California also has a very wide mix of regions with liberal and
conservative regions across the state. The liberal regions tend
to be coastal in regions with dense populations, while the
conservative regions tend to be inland and rural.
Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote:
You have to remember that we grow old. The status quo has changed. The >>Democrats have been the party of the wealthy for the past 20 years and it >>grows worse. Many more billionaires supported Biden in 2020 and Harris >>this year than supported Trump. The growing discrepency is alarming. The >>Democrats spent 60% more than the Republicans since Super Tuesday
(over 1.6 billion compared to under 1 billion (NPR)).
The Democrats are the party of the wealthy, yes. But the Republicans are also the party of the wealthy, in spite of the current grassroots support. Compare the funding for Trump's first campaign, which was greatly supported by small donors, with the funding for this one, which was mostly supported
by larger donations.
--scott
In article <vglgaq$o84$1@reader1.panix.com>,
jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
In article <lsesij93jemheqibovvadf4n9n33u3aj9i@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On 7 Nov 2024 23:45:56 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Seattle doesn't want you. We are actually considering reviving the
Lesser Seattle movement of the past.
Remember, it always rains in Seattle.
Might be a nice place for a Worldcon, though.
Unless we are under a Heat Dome and the power fails.
Or we get another dose of Freezing Rain. One lasting more than one
day.
Small tornadoes are rare, but not unknown. Maybe once a decade or two.
Or Mt Rainier erupts, sending a lahar downhill.
That will wipe out Tacoma; but downtown Seattle is probably outside the >danger zone (the airport and adjacent hotels are up on a plateau and
should be above all of that).
In article <lsesij93jemheqibovvadf4n9n33u3aj9i@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On 7 Nov 2024 23:45:56 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Seattle doesn't want you. We are actually considering reviving the
Lesser Seattle movement of the past.
Remember, it always rains in Seattle.
Might be a nice place for a Worldcon, though.
Unless we are under a Heat Dome and the power fails.
More a danger for a Westercon, but still possible.
Or we get another dose of Freezing Rain. One lasting more than one
day.
Thankfully, the Worldcon won't be in December, January, or February.
--Small tornadoes are rare, but not unknown. Maybe once a decade or two.
On 11/8/2024 12:04 PM, James Nicoll wrote:
In article <lsesij93jemheqibovvadf4n9n33u3aj9i@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On 7 Nov 2024 23:45:56 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Seattle doesn't want you. We are actually considering reviving the
Lesser Seattle movement of the past.
Remember, it always rains in Seattle.
Might be a nice place for a Worldcon, though.
Unless we are under a Heat Dome and the power fails.
Or we get another dose of Freezing Rain. One lasting more than one
day.
Small tornadoes are rare, but not unknown. Maybe once a decade or two.
Or Mt Rainier erupts, sending a lahar downhill.
Or the Cascadia subduction zone lets rip - Richter 9.0 and a tsunami.
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 16:23:34 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/7/2024 8:08 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
In article <lp3qduFb8jqU1@mid.individual.net>,
Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started >>>>>> trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the >>>>>> people/bots that I filter, that is.
I imagine the American posters are either updating their passports
or making lists of which neighbours to inform on and the rest of us
are trying to work out if we're Austria or Poland.
(if you have to ask, you're always Poland)
My wife and I have had serious discussions about moving.
I have the possibility to get an EU citizenship, I
grew up as an expatriate, and we both travel, so the idea
isn't as alien as it would be to some. We're both retired,
and have sufficient funds to be accepted in many countries.
For the moment, we're sitting tight. Trump only got a 3%
margin - there are plenty of non-Trumpers left in the
country.
Personally, I concur with Bernie Sanders that the Democrats
abandoned supporting working class interests, and Trump said
all the right things to pick that demographic up. I'm pretty
doubtful that he'll actually deliver for that group. He's
a lame duck, unconstrained by re-election. He will strip mine
the country to benefit billionaires.
pt
If you have any democrat/socialist leanings, in all honestly, I cannot
recommend europe enough. I think you would be very happy with society in >>> Sweden, Norway or Finland.
I'm in the exact opposite position! I hate living in europe, and when I
retire, the plan it for me and my wife to move to rural, red US to the
most conservative and bible thumping place we can find! =)
Ah.
Idaho.
Or Montana.
(When our IRS call site adopted "team concept", we decided to divide
incoming calls among teams by SSN rather than State because, as one of
us put it, "I don't want to spend an entire day talking to Idaho". Of
course, that was in the days of Rev Butler and Aryan Nations. Current
conditions may be better. Or not, at least medically.)
Thank you Paul, that confirms what I have so far been thinking about in >terms of places to move to. I have also heard good things about Wyoming, >South dakota, and someone, as strange as it may sound, also recommended
the far eastern parts of oregon. Not sure about that one, but that was one >recommendation as well.
On 11/9/2024 8:32 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
Thank you Paul, that confirms what I have so far been thinking about in >>>> terms of places to move to. I have also heard good things about Wyoming, >>>> South dakota, and someone, as strange as it may sound, also recommended >>>> the far eastern parts of oregon. Not sure about that one, but that
Idaho.
Or Montana.
was one
recommendation as well.
Oregon is weird because it has a very wide mix of different locations
with
very different cultures in the same state and while you might like the
far eastern part, you won't like the state politics as a whole (because
neither side does).
Sounds like sweden! No one likes the politics and very different
cultures depending on the area you are in.
You would like Wyoming if you like long distances with nothing. It is
almost the opposite of Europe in terms of just being able to feel like
you are nowhere. I find that pleasant for a while, but not long-term.
Sounds excellent! Since I generally do not like people, being in the
middle of nowhere, with a dog or two sounds like heaven! Sadly it is not
going to fly with the wife since she wants culture, opera and all that
stuff. So I imagine that sadly, in the end, it would have to be 2-3
hours by car from some kind of bigger city. =(
You might like Alaska in that Alaska is filled with people who have an
intense interest in personal independence. Unfortunately it is also
filled with people who have problems who had thought that if they could
just get to Alaska that everything would be fine, and so they brought
their problems with them to Alaska.
Alaska is on my list! I did find anchorageopera.org so maybe that could
work! ;)
Alaska, unfortunately for your politics, has a government that
interferes in the free market, with a Universal Basic Income
scheme
The state has a $50 billion Permanent Fund, and sends checks
to every resident each year. The amount varies by year,
$1200 - $3000 being typical.
On Fri, 08 Nov 2024 09:58:22 -0800, Robert Woodward
<robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
In article <vglgaq$o84$1@reader1.panix.com>,
jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
In article <lsesij93jemheqibovvadf4n9n33u3aj9i@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On 7 Nov 2024 23:45:56 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Seattle doesn't want you. We are actually considering reviving the >>>>>> Lesser Seattle movement of the past.
Remember, it always rains in Seattle.
Might be a nice place for a Worldcon, though.
Unless we are under a Heat Dome and the power fails.
Or we get another dose of Freezing Rain. One lasting more than one
day.
Small tornadoes are rare, but not unknown. Maybe once a decade or two.
Or Mt Rainier erupts, sending a lahar downhill.
That will wipe out Tacoma; but downtown Seattle is probably outside the
danger zone (the airport and adjacent hotels are up on a plateau and
should be above all of that).
And, IIRC, the Duwamish valley, which might be considered part of
Seattle.
But, yes, the lahar probably wouldn't reach downtown. The accompanying earthquake(s), though, surely will.
And then there's the ash ... I wasn't here for Mt St Helens but we
apparently got an inch or two of it. Cars didn't start -- their
radiators were clogged, IIRC.
All that and the general pandemonium (we panic every Winter when it
snows because it doesn't snow that often, what do you think a volcanic eruption will do to us?) would probably shut down/cancel any
conventions.
The major airport (Sea-Tac) might survive, but that doesn't mean it
will be useable for a while, possibly a few weeks.
Amtrak and Greyhound (or other such buses) ... would probably
encounter the lahar. Roads and tracks take time to replace. Bridges
take even longer.
On 11/8/2024 4:10 PM, D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 23:11:20 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 08:11:49 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 11/7/24 04:34, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already
started
trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from >>>>>>> the
people/bots that I filter, that is.
Well they haven't come for me yet. However I twisted my ankle on >>>>>> October 4 then on November 1 I walked too far and ended up in a
a fresh world of pain from the ankle. It is hard for me to read and >>>>>> keep my foot elevated on an ice pack. I tend to fall asleep that
is and I have tp limit my time at the computer and doing chores.
Here's hoping your ankle heals soon.
I am tired of responding to bigots of many persuasion who
rejoice in the appointment of a monarchial ruler by the people
who live in darkness of hate and fear.
They don't know what darkness and fear is.
As Trump himself has said, they won't need to vote for him again, if >>>>> only because of the term limit.
But voting for him was their only value to him. And we know how Trump >>>>> treats those he does not need.
But the thought police have not come for me yet.
Well, now the healing and rebuilding of the nation can start! =)
As I noted in 2016 (not here but online elsewhere), at least with
Trump we would get many legal questions answered. And so we have. No
doubt this will continue.
And I suppose it is possible that, freed from any obligation to his
supporters since he cannot run again, he /might/ try healing and
rebuilding. As opposed to dividing and destroying.
One indicator might be if he actually pardons the Jan 6 folks. After
all, not only can they do nothing for him in the future even with
their right to vote restored, they failed in 2020. Why should he be
grateful to failure?
Let' see! It will be a very interesting 4 years for sure! I'm super
excited about his proposed 24h ukraine fix. Personally I think he has
underestimated the complexity of the situation, but regardless, will be
interesting to see his attempt.
I don't understand how anyone thinks he could actually do that. His
proposal, as I understand it, is basically to order Ukraine to
surrender the land, people, and treasure that Putin has already
stolen, disarm, and disavow ever joining NATO.
Russia has to do nothing.
Ukraine, and Europe, quite properly, would say 'Fuck that shit',
and continue the fight without US aid. It would be hard, and
expensive, but Russia is starting to run out of men and material,
despite North Korean aid.
Trump doesn't have sufficient leverage to stop the war.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> writes:
On 11/8/2024 3:46 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:Or enclaves of the wealthy in urban areas.
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
Thank you Paul, that confirms what I have so far been thinking about in >>>>> terms of places to move to. I have also heard good things about Wyoming, >>>>> South dakota, and someone, as strange as it may sound, also recommended >>>>> the far eastern parts of oregon. Not sure about that one, but that was one
Idaho.
Or Montana.
recommendation as well.
Oregon is weird because it has a very wide mix of different locations with >>>> very different cultures in the same state and while you might like the >>>> far eastern part, you won't like the state politics as a whole (because >>>> neither side does).
California also has a very wide mix of regions with liberal and
conservative regions across the state. The liberal regions tend
to be coastal in regions with dense populations, while the
conservative regions tend to be inland and rural.
Orange county, perhaps.
On 2024-11-08, Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote:
You have to remember that we grow old. The status quo has changed. The
Democrats have been the party of the wealthy for the past 20 years and it >>> grows worse. Many more billionaires supported Biden in 2020 and Harris
this year than supported Trump. The growing discrepency is alarming. The >>> Democrats spent 60% more than the Republicans since Super Tuesday
(over 1.6 billion compared to under 1 billion (NPR)).
The Democrats are the party of the wealthy, yes. But the Republicans are
also the party of the wealthy, in spite of the current grassroots support. >> Compare the funding for Trump's first campaign, which was greatly supported >> by small donors, with the funding for this one, which was mostly supported >> by larger donations.
--scott
I agree that the wealthy have an outsized impact on both major parties. It's unfortunate and it becomes even more of a problem if it's an unbalanced impact. I believe in checks and balances but we're losing the ability of
the two parties to compete financially.
Trump's small donors have indeed decreased over his campaigns. Harris did very well this year with small donors; her percentage small donors was higher than Obama's, Clinton's, Biden's and Trumps 2024's, though of course much lower than Trump 2016's and even Trump 2020's.
But her not-small-donors amount still was well over twice that of Trump's not-small-donors this year. Money talks as they say, and Democrats
have much more election money than Republicans.
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 22:08:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 16:23:34 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/7/2024 8:08 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
In article <lp3qduFb8jqU1@mid.individual.net>,
Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started >>>>>>> trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the >>>>>>> people/bots that I filter, that is.
I imagine the American posters are either updating their passports >>>>>> or making lists of which neighbours to inform on and the rest of us >>>>>> are trying to work out if we're Austria or Poland.
(if you have to ask, you're always Poland)
My wife and I have had serious discussions about moving.
I have the possibility to get an EU citizenship, I
grew up as an expatriate, and we both travel, so the idea
isn't as alien as it would be to some. We're both retired,
and have sufficient funds to be accepted in many countries.
For the moment, we're sitting tight. Trump only got a 3%
margin - there are plenty of non-Trumpers left in the
country.
Personally, I concur with Bernie Sanders that the Democrats
abandoned supporting working class interests, and Trump said
all the right things to pick that demographic up. I'm pretty
doubtful that he'll actually deliver for that group. He's
a lame duck, unconstrained by re-election. He will strip mine
the country to benefit billionaires.
pt
If you have any democrat/socialist leanings, in all honestly, I cannot >>>> recommend europe enough. I think you would be very happy with society in >>>> Sweden, Norway or Finland.
I'm in the exact opposite position! I hate living in europe, and when I >>>> retire, the plan it for me and my wife to move to rural, red US to the >>>> most conservative and bible thumping place we can find! =)
Ah.
Idaho.
Or Montana.
(When our IRS call site adopted "team concept", we decided to divide
incoming calls among teams by SSN rather than State because, as one of
us put it, "I don't want to spend an entire day talking to Idaho". Of
course, that was in the days of Rev Butler and Aryan Nations. Current
conditions may be better. Or not, at least medically.)
Thank you Paul, that confirms what I have so far been thinking about in
terms of places to move to. I have also heard good things about Wyoming,
South dakota, and someone, as strange as it may sound, also recommended
the far eastern parts of oregon. Not sure about that one, but that was one >> recommendation as well.
IIRC, there is a movement in Eastern Oregon to ... become part of
Idaho.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> writes:
On 11/8/2024 3:46 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:Or enclaves of the wealthy in urban areas.
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
Thank you Paul, that confirms what I have so far been thinking about in >>>>> terms of places to move to. I have also heard good things about Wyoming, >>>>> South dakota, and someone, as strange as it may sound, also recommended >>>>> the far eastern parts of oregon. Not sure about that one, but that was one
Idaho.
Or Montana.
recommendation as well.
Oregon is weird because it has a very wide mix of different locations with >>>> very different cultures in the same state and while you might like the >>>> far eastern part, you won't like the state politics as a whole (because >>>> neither side does).
California also has a very wide mix of regions with liberal and
conservative regions across the state. The liberal regions tend
to be coastal in regions with dense populations, while the
conservative regions tend to be inland and rural.
Orange county, perhaps.
On Fri, 08 Nov 2024 09:56:24 -0800, Robert Woodward
<robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
In article <lsesij93jemheqibovvadf4n9n33u3aj9i@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On 7 Nov 2024 23:45:56 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Seattle doesn't want you. We are actually considering reviving the
Lesser Seattle movement of the past.
Remember, it always rains in Seattle.
Might be a nice place for a Worldcon, though.
Unless we are under a Heat Dome and the power fails.
More a danger for a Westercon, but still possible.
Or we get another dose of Freezing Rain. One lasting more than one
day.
Thankfully, the Worldcon won't be in December, January, or February.
What part of "it always rains in Seattle" don't you understand?
But I agree that that only instance of freezing rain that I
experienced was on a 12/23.
Thank you Paul, that confirms what I have so far been thinking about in
terms of places to move to. I have also heard good things about Wyoming,
South dakota, and someone, as strange as it may sound, also recommended
the far eastern parts of oregon. Not sure about that one, but that was one >> recommendation as well.
IIRC, there is a movement in Eastern Oregon to ... become part of
Idaho.
Back in the 70s (or 60s, or 80s), a mail-order firm had, on its order
blank, the question "Have you ever met someone from Wyomng?".
So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming would probably work.
D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:
Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug users >>>> on the street.
Parts of it, yes.
I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or vagrants. >>>
This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a
beating, and dumped them in the next county. Somebody else's problem.
Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving the
problem! =)
So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is illegal and hurts people you dislike.
William Hyde
On 11/9/2024 8:32 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:
DÂ <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
Thank you Paul, that confirms what I have so far been thinking about in >>>> terms of places to move to. I have also heard good things about Wyoming, >>>> South dakota, and someone, as strange as it may sound, also recommended >>>> the far eastern parts of oregon. Not sure about that one, but that was >>>> one
Idaho.
Or Montana.
recommendation as well.
Oregon is weird because it has a very wide mix of different locations with >>> very different cultures in the same state and while you might like the
far eastern part, you won't like the state politics as a whole (because
neither side does).
Sounds like sweden! No one likes the politics and very different cultures
depending on the area you are in.
You would like Wyoming if you like long distances with nothing. It is
almost the opposite of Europe in terms of just being able to feel like
you are nowhere. I find that pleasant for a while, but not long-term.
Sounds excellent! Since I generally do not like people, being in the middle >> of nowhere, with a dog or two sounds like heaven! Sadly it is not going to >> fly with the wife since she wants culture, opera and all that stuff. So I
imagine that sadly, in the end, it would have to be 2-3 hours by car from
some kind of bigger city. =(
You might like Alaska in that Alaska is filled with people who have an
intense interest in personal independence. Unfortunately it is also
filled with people who have problems who had thought that if they could
just get to Alaska that everything would be fine, and so they brought
their problems with them to Alaska.
Alaska is on my list! I did find anchorageopera.org so maybe that could
work! ;)
Alaska, unfortunately for your politics, has a government that
interferes in the free market, with a Universal Basic Income
scheme
The state has a $50 billion Permanent Fund, and sends checks
to every resident each year. The amount varies by year,
$1200 - $3000 being typical.
pt
So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming would probably work.
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming would
probably work.
Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk around
with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!
On 11/9/2024 11:47 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 08 Nov 2024 09:56:24 -0800, Robert Woodward
<robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
In article <lsesij93jemheqibovvadf4n9n33u3aj9i@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On 7 Nov 2024 23:45:56 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Seattle doesn't want you. We are actually considering reviving the >>>>>> Lesser Seattle movement of the past.
Remember, it always rains in Seattle.
Might be a nice place for a Worldcon, though.
Unless we are under a Heat Dome and the power fails.
More a danger for a Westercon, but still possible.
Or we get another dose of Freezing Rain. One lasting more than one
day.
Thankfully, the Worldcon won't be in December, January, or February.
What part of "it always rains in Seattle" don't you understand?
But I agree that that only instance of freezing rain that I
experienced was on a 12/23.
Small tornadoes are rare, but not unknown. Maybe once a decade or two.
I've been to Seattle twice, both times it was beautifully sunny.
The second time was while I was taking training at Microsoft, in
Redmond. At the start of the course, everyone was asked to stand
up and introduce themselves. I did, and added 'Clearly, I've been
lied to about the climate here. Everytime I've been here the weather
has be great."
There was silence, then someone yelled "Don't let that man leave!".
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming would
probably work.
Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk around
with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!
Wyoming is tiny and Texas is huge and both will allow you to do these
things. Actually having cattle is no longer considered necessary to
wear the hat.
--scott
On 11/9/2024 4:01 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/9/2024 8:32 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:
DÂ <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
Thank you Paul, that confirms what I have so far been thinking
Idaho.
Or Montana.
about in
terms of places to move to. I have also heard good things about
Wyoming,
South dakota, and someone, as strange as it may sound, also
recommended
the far eastern parts of oregon. Not sure about that one, but that >>>>>> was one
recommendation as well.
Oregon is weird because it has a very wide mix of different
locations with
very different cultures in the same state and while you might like the >>>>> far eastern part, you won't like the state politics as a whole
(because
neither side does).
Sounds like sweden! No one likes the politics and very different
cultures depending on the area you are in.
You would like Wyoming if you like long distances with nothing. It is >>>>> almost the opposite of Europe in terms of just being able to feel like >>>>> you are nowhere. I find that pleasant for a while, but not long-term. >>>>Sounds excellent! Since I generally do not like people, being in the
middle of nowhere, with a dog or two sounds like heaven! Sadly it is
not going to fly with the wife since she wants culture, opera and
all that stuff. So I imagine that sadly, in the end, it would have
to be 2-3 hours by car from some kind of bigger city. =(
You might like Alaska in that Alaska is filled with people who have an >>>>> intense interest in personal independence. Unfortunately it is also >>>>> filled with people who have problems who had thought that if they
could
just get to Alaska that everything would be fine, and so they brought >>>>> their problems with them to Alaska.
Alaska is on my list! I did find anchorageopera.org so maybe that
could work! ;)
Alaska, unfortunately for your politics, has a government that
interferes in the free market, with a Universal Basic Income
scheme
The state has a $50 billion Permanent Fund, and sends checks
to every resident each year. The amount varies by year,
$1200 - $3000 being typical.
pt
It actually might not interfere at all, if Alaska takes my money
without my consent in the form of taxes. In that case, it could
potentially be return of my property. If I paid no taxes in alaska,
then accepting that government handout would be highly unethical, I
agree with you there.
The state of Alaska has no sales or income taxes. The state does tax
some things (rental cars, hotels, etc), mostly to extract money
from tourists. Some towns do have a sales tax.
But those permanent fund checks come from the state of Alaska, to which residents pay nothing.
I'm instantly reminded of this clip from "The Good Place". BTW: I
*highly* recommend the show to everyone here.
https://youtu.be/EKWW6oFQDZY?t=22
D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:
Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug
users on the street.
Parts of it, yes.
I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or
vagrants.
This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a
beating, and dumped them in the next county. Somebody else's problem.
Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving the
problem! =)
So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is
illegal and hurts people you dislike.
On 11/9/2024 12:03 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 09:54:47 -0500, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/9/2024 8:32 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:
DÂ <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
Thank you Paul, that confirms what I have so far been thinking about in >>>>>> terms of places to move to. I have also heard good things about
Idaho.
Or Montana.
Wyoming,
South dakota, and someone, as strange as it may sound, also recommended >>>>>> the far eastern parts of oregon. Not sure about that one, but that >>>>>> was one
recommendation as well.
Oregon is weird because it has a very wide mix of different locations >>>>> with
very different cultures in the same state and while you might like the >>>>> far eastern part, you won't like the state politics as a whole (because >>>>> neither side does).
Sounds like sweden! No one likes the politics and very different
cultures depending on the area you are in.
You would like Wyoming if you like long distances with nothing. It is >>>>> almost the opposite of Europe in terms of just being able to feel like >>>>> you are nowhere. I find that pleasant for a while, but not long-term. >>>>Sounds excellent! Since I generally do not like people, being in the
middle of nowhere, with a dog or two sounds like heaven! Sadly it is not >>>> going to fly with the wife since she wants culture, opera and all that >>>> stuff. So I imagine that sadly, in the end, it would have to be 2-3
hours by car from some kind of bigger city. =(
You might like Alaska in that Alaska is filled with people who have an >>>>> intense interest in personal independence. Unfortunately it is also >>>>> filled with people who have problems who had thought that if they could >>>>> just get to Alaska that everything would be fine, and so they brought >>>>> their problems with them to Alaska.
Alaska is on my list! I did find anchorageopera.org so maybe that could >>>> work! ;)
Alaska, unfortunately for your politics, has a government that
interferes in the free market, with a Universal Basic Income
scheme
The state has a $50 billion Permanent Fund, and sends checks
to every resident each year. The amount varies by year,
$1200 - $3000 being typical.
Actually, it's more of a "everybody gets a share of the profits from
our oil" program.
And its taxable federally. Even the checks sent to the kids.
How does that work? The minimum income for Federal taxes is
$13,850. The checks don't come anywhere near that. Is it that
they family has to file jointly?
The whole point of UBI is that the UBI itself is not taxed. Only
additional income is taxed.
Whether this is actually a good idea is a good question. But in 200
years, when most jobs are done by machines and positions filled by
humans are filled either by lottery (the losers -- rather, draftees --
serve) or the courts ("I sentence you to be City Manager for three
years") because nobody wants to work since most people can not for
lack of job availability.
But as long as we have more jobs than people to employ, UBI is
probably not ready for prime time.
I"m actually fully in favor of UBI, but it seems to run
contrary to 'D's seemingly Objectivist philosophy.
ObSF: I first heard of the idea of a UBI in PJF's
"Riders of the Purple Wage".
pt
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming would
probably work.
Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk around
with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!
Wyoming is tiny and Texas is huge and both will allow you to do these
things. Actually having cattle is no longer considered necessary to
wear the hat.
--scott
On 11/9/2024 4:04 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming would
probably work.
Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk around
with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!
For citizens who meet the other requirements for firearms possession,
yes. You don't even need a permit. I'm not sure about green card
holders.
pt
On 11/9/2024 4:01 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/9/2024 8:32 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:
DÂ <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
Thank you Paul, that confirms what I have so far been thinking about in >>>>>> terms of places to move to. I have also heard good things about
Idaho.
Or Montana.
Wyoming,
South dakota, and someone, as strange as it may sound, also recommended >>>>>> the far eastern parts of oregon. Not sure about that one, but that was >>>>>> one
recommendation as well.
Oregon is weird because it has a very wide mix of different locations >>>>> with
very different cultures in the same state and while you might like the >>>>> far eastern part, you won't like the state politics as a whole (because >>>>> neither side does).
Sounds like sweden! No one likes the politics and very different cultures >>>> depending on the area you are in.
You would like Wyoming if you like long distances with nothing. It is >>>>> almost the opposite of Europe in terms of just being able to feel like >>>>> you are nowhere. I find that pleasant for a while, but not long-term. >>>>Sounds excellent! Since I generally do not like people, being in the
middle of nowhere, with a dog or two sounds like heaven! Sadly it is not >>>> going to fly with the wife since she wants culture, opera and all that >>>> stuff. So I imagine that sadly, in the end, it would have to be 2-3 hours >>>> by car from some kind of bigger city. =(
You might like Alaska in that Alaska is filled with people who have an >>>>> intense interest in personal independence. Unfortunately it is also >>>>> filled with people who have problems who had thought that if they could >>>>> just get to Alaska that everything would be fine, and so they brought >>>>> their problems with them to Alaska.
Alaska is on my list! I did find anchorageopera.org so maybe that could >>>> work! ;)
Alaska, unfortunately for your politics, has a government that
interferes in the free market, with a Universal Basic Income
scheme
The state has a $50 billion Permanent Fund, and sends checks
to every resident each year. The amount varies by year,
$1200 - $3000 being typical.
pt
It actually might not interfere at all, if Alaska takes my money without my >> consent in the form of taxes. In that case, it could potentially be return >> of my property. If I paid no taxes in alaska, then accepting that
government handout would be highly unethical, I agree with you there.
The state of Alaska has no sales or income taxes. The state does tax
some things (rental cars, hotels, etc), mostly to extract money
from tourists. Some towns do have a sales tax.
But those permanent fund checks come from the state of Alaska, to which residents pay nothing.
pt
On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:
Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving theWhy SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug
users on the street.
Parts of it, yes.
I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or
vagrants.
This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a
beating, and dumped them in the next county. Somebody else's problem. >>>
problem! =)
So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is
illegal and hurts people you dislike.
Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini level.
On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:
Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving theWhy SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug
users on the street.
Parts of it, yes.
I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or
vagrants.
This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a
beating, and dumped them in the next county. Somebody else's problem. >>>
problem! =)
So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is
illegal and hurts people you dislike.
Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini level.
On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:
Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving theWhy SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug
users on the street.
Parts of it, yes.
I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or
vagrants.
This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a
beating, and dumped them in the next county. Somebody else's problem. >>>>
problem! =)
So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is
illegal and hurts people you dislike.
Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini level.
Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one-trick pony.
Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into an apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points. :-)
On 11/9/2024 11:47 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 08 Nov 2024 09:56:24 -0800, Robert Woodward
<robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
In article <lsesij93jemheqibovvadf4n9n33u3aj9i@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On 7 Nov 2024 23:45:56 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Seattle doesn't want you. We are actually considering reviving the >>>>>> Lesser Seattle movement of the past.
Remember, it always rains in Seattle.
Might be a nice place for a Worldcon, though.
Unless we are under a Heat Dome and the power fails.
More a danger for a Westercon, but still possible.
Or we get another dose of Freezing Rain. One lasting more than one
day.
Thankfully, the Worldcon won't be in December, January, or February.
What part of "it always rains in Seattle" don't you understand?
But I agree that that only instance of freezing rain that I
experienced was on a 12/23.
Small tornadoes are rare, but not unknown. Maybe once a decade or two.
I've been to Seattle twice, both times it was beautifully sunny.
The second time was while I was taking training at Microsoft, in
Redmond. At the start of the course, everyone was asked to stand
up and introduce themselves. I did, and added 'Clearly, I've been
lied to about the climate here. Everytime I've been here the weather
has be great."
There was silence, then someone yelled "Don't let that man leave!".
On 11/9/2024 5:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:O_o I've driven across both Wyoming and Texas more than once. Wyoming >ain't "tiny".
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming would >>>> probably work.
Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk around
with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!
Wyoming is tiny and Texas is huge and both will allow you to do these
things. Actually having cattle is no longer considered necessary to
wear the hat.
--scott
And if Texas is "huge" what does that make Alaska?
On 11/9/2024 12:03 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 09:54:47 -0500, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/9/2024 8:32 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
Thank you Paul, that confirms what I have so far been thinking about in >>>>>> terms of places to move to. I have also heard good things about Wyoming, >>>>>> South dakota, and someone, as strange as it may sound, also recommended >>>>>> the far eastern parts of oregon. Not sure about that one, but that >>>>>> was one
Idaho.
Or Montana.
recommendation as well.
Oregon is weird because it has a very wide mix of different locations >>>>> with
very different cultures in the same state and while you might like the >>>>> far eastern part, you won't like the state politics as a whole (because >>>>> neither side does).
Sounds like sweden! No one likes the politics and very different
cultures depending on the area you are in.
You would like Wyoming if you like long distances with nothing. It is >>>>> almost the opposite of Europe in terms of just being able to feel like >>>>> you are nowhere. I find that pleasant for a while, but not long-term. >>>>Sounds excellent! Since I generally do not like people, being in the
middle of nowhere, with a dog or two sounds like heaven! Sadly it is not >>>> going to fly with the wife since she wants culture, opera and all that >>>> stuff. So I imagine that sadly, in the end, it would have to be 2-3
hours by car from some kind of bigger city. =(
You might like Alaska in that Alaska is filled with people who have an >>>>> intense interest in personal independence. Unfortunately it is also >>>>> filled with people who have problems who had thought that if they could >>>>> just get to Alaska that everything would be fine, and so they brought >>>>> their problems with them to Alaska.
Alaska is on my list! I did find anchorageopera.org so maybe that could >>>> work! ;)
Alaska, unfortunately for your politics, has a government that
interferes in the free market, with a Universal Basic Income
scheme
The state has a $50 billion Permanent Fund, and sends checks
to every resident each year. The amount varies by year,
$1200 - $3000 being typical.
Actually, it's more of a "everybody gets a share of the profits from
our oil" program.
And its taxable federally. Even the checks sent to the kids.
How does that work? The minimum income for Federal taxes is
$13,850. The checks don't come anywhere near that. Is it that
they family has to file jointly?
--The whole point of UBI is that the UBI itself is not taxed. Only
additional income is taxed.
Whether this is actually a good idea is a good question. But in 200
years, when most jobs are done by machines and positions filled by
humans are filled either by lottery (the losers -- rather, draftees --
serve) or the courts ("I sentence you to be City Manager for three
years") because nobody wants to work since most people can not for
lack of job availability.
But as long as we have more jobs than people to employ, UBI is
probably not ready for prime time.
I"m actually fully in favor of UBI, but it seems to run
contrary to 'D's seemingly Objectivist philosophy.
ObSF: I first heard of the idea of a UBI in PJF's
"Riders of the Purple Wage".
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 19:20:07 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/9/2024 5:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:O_o I've driven across both Wyoming and Texas more than once. Wyoming
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming would >>>>> probably work.
Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk around
with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!
Wyoming is tiny and Texas is huge and both will allow you to do these
things. Actually having cattle is no longer considered necessary to
wear the hat.
--scott
ain't "tiny".
Not by the standards of, say, Rhode Island.
It is quite normal for the Great Plains.
And if Texas is "huge" what does that make Alaska?
Big enough that Texas could be made the third-largest State by
dividing Alaska in two (if done evenly enough).
On 11/10/2024 8:40 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 19:20:07 -0800, Dimensional TravelerMy apologies, for some reason I was thinking of Montana.
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/9/2024 5:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:O_o I've driven across both Wyoming and Texas more than once. Wyoming
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming would >>>>>> probably work.
Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk around >>>>> with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!
Wyoming is tiny and Texas is huge and both will allow you to do these
things. Actually having cattle is no longer considered necessary to
wear the hat.
--scott
ain't "tiny".
Not by the standards of, say, Rhode Island.
It is quite normal for the Great Plains.
On 11/9/2024 11:47 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 08 Nov 2024 09:56:24 -0800, Robert Woodward
<robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
In article <lsesij93jemheqibovvadf4n9n33u3aj9i@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On 7 Nov 2024 23:45:56 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Seattle doesn't want you. We are actually considering reviving the >>>>>> Lesser Seattle movement of the past.
Remember, it always rains in Seattle.
Might be a nice place for a Worldcon, though.
Unless we are under a Heat Dome and the power fails.
More a danger for a Westercon, but still possible.
Or we get another dose of Freezing Rain. One lasting more than one
day.
Thankfully, the Worldcon won't be in December, January, or February.
What part of "it always rains in Seattle" don't you understand?
But I agree that that only instance of freezing rain that I
experienced was on a 12/23.
Small tornadoes are rare, but not unknown. Maybe once a decade or two.
I've been to Seattle twice, both times it was beautifully sunny.
Sounds excellent! Since I generally do not like people, being in the
middle of nowhere, with a dog or two sounds like heaven! Sadly it is not >going to fly with the wife since she wants culture, opera and all that
stuff. So I imagine that sadly, in the end, it would have to be 2-3 hours
by car from some kind of bigger city. =(
You might like Alaska in that Alaska is filled with people who have an
intense interest in personal independence. Unfortunately it is also
filled with people who have problems who had thought that if they could
just get to Alaska that everything would be fine, and so they brought
their problems with them to Alaska.
Alaska is on my list! I did find anchorageopera.org so maybe that could
work! ;)
On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:
Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving theWhy SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug
users on the street.
Parts of it, yes.
I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or
vagrants.
This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a
beating, and dumped them in the next county. Somebody else's problem. >>>>
problem! =)
So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is
illegal and hurts people you dislike.
Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini
level.
Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one-trick pony.
Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into an apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points. :-)
    Cheers,
       Gary   B-)
On 2024-11-10, Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one-trick pony.
D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:
Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving theWhy SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug >>>>>>> users on the street.
Parts of it, yes.
I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or
vagrants.
This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a >>>>>> beating, and dumped them in the next county. Somebody else's problem. >>>>>
problem! =)
So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is
illegal and hurts people you dislike.
Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini level. >>
Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into an
apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points. :-)
Very true, though I'm not sure inconsistency is the right word. I found
him quite consistent with himself, just very non-categorizable. He
certainly would poke fun at anyone he found foolish. I miss him.
Chris
On 11/9/2024 5:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Wyoming is tiny and Texas is huge and both will allow you to do theseO_o I've driven across both Wyoming and Texas more than once. Wyoming
things. Actually having cattle is no longer considered necessary to
wear the hat.
ain't "tiny".
And if Texas is "huge" what does that make Alaska?
D wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:
D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:
Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving theWhy SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug users >>>>>> on the street.
Parts of it, yes.
I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or
vagrants.
This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a
beating, and dumped them in the next county. Somebody else's problem. >>>>
problem! =)
So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is
illegal and hurts people you dislike.
Nope... the correct interpretation is that as long as I have to endure
government and having my money stolen in the form of taxes, I prefer that
it does something that aligns with my interests. Shipping drug users
somewhere
else would align with my interests, so there you are correct.
So violence to other people doesn't bother you, as long as it is in your interests.
Clearly, if there were no government, you and like-minded people would hire some thugs to beat up the indigent and send them to other areas.
Because it aligns with your interests.
Like-minded people in those areas would also hire thugs to beast up the indigent and send them to your area. Eventually the thugs would realize that it would be less work just to beat you up and take your money. And you'd have a government again.
William Hyde
On 11/11/24 04:14, Chris Buckley wrote:
On 2024-11-10, Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:
Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving the >>>>>> problem! =)Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug >>>>>>>> users on the street.
Parts of it, yes.
I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or
vagrants.
This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a >>>>>>> beating, and dumped them in the next county. Somebody else's problem. >>>>>>
So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is >>>>> illegal and hurts people you dislike.
Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini level.
Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one-trick pony. >>>
Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into an
apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points. :-)
Very true, though I'm not sure inconsistency is the right word. I found
him quite consistent with himself, just very non-categorizable. He
certainly would poke fun at anyone he found foolish. I miss him.
Chris
He would have had a field day with D.
I think that Terry's problem was that, perhaps from boredom, he would sometimes seek a serious argument with and abuse posters whose views
were the same as his just to annoy and demonstrate who was the top dog.
He was intelligent, knowledgeable, insightful but aggressively nasty and spiteful. I miss him too.
On 10/11/24 23:44, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:
Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving theWhy SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug >>>>>>> users on the street.
Parts of it, yes.
I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or
vagrants.
This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a >>>>>> beating, and dumped them in the next county. Somebody else's problem. >>>>>
problem! =)
So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is
illegal and hurts people you dislike.
Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini
level.
Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one-trick pony.
Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into an
apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points. :-)
    Cheers,
       Gary   B-)
Yes, exactly. I wish he was still here to make mincemeat of D.
The current entertainment for me comes from the replies to D, not D's
extreme views and his prejudices but these replies are all restrained
and polite rather than full-on Jibini bloodthirsty.
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Sounds excellent! Since I generally do not like people, being in the
middle of nowhere, with a dog or two sounds like heaven! Sadly it is not
going to fly with the wife since she wants culture, opera and all that
stuff. So I imagine that sadly, in the end, it would have to be 2-3 hours
by car from some kind of bigger city. =(
You will not find European-grade opera in many places in the US. (I will
say surprisingly good things about here in Williamsburg, VA). Hmm... but
if you're looking for isolationist politics, quiet rural areas, and
proximity to a good opera company you could consider New Mexico. Also
very dry, but you can wear a cowboy hat and carry a pistol and still go
to the Santa Fe Opera which is really pretty amazingly good.
Maybe Central City Colorado too? Colorado is another oddly divided state.
You might like Alaska in that Alaska is filled with people who have an
intense interest in personal independence. Unfortunately it is also
filled with people who have problems who had thought that if they could
just get to Alaska that everything would be fine, and so they brought
their problems with them to Alaska.
Alaska is on my list! I did find anchorageopera.org so maybe that could
work! ;)
You could do worse. But they aren't the Met or the KO, let alone La Scala.
D wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/9/2024 4:04 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming would >>>>> probably work.
Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk around
with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!
For citizens who meet the other requirements for firearms possession,
yes. You don't even need a permit. I'm not sure about green card
holders.
pt
Hooray! =D Yet another dream that the US would make come true! It truly is >> the land of the free compared with shitty old europe which I passionately
hate so much!
Some years ago Duke University ran a job search for a senior scientist.
An American scientist resident in Denmark was flown in and gave an exceptionally good talk. At dinner the conversation turned to his life in Denmark, and he seemed very happy with it.
So told him that, while I was not myself on the search committee, I thought it was almost certain that he'd be offered the job and asked if he would take it.
"Absolutely not!" he said, puzzled that I would even ask.
So opinions differ.
Duke is in Durham, NC, possibly too warm for your wife. And it has lots of sidewalks to attract liberals, though as I found in an October walk, ankle-destroying breaks in the sidewalk can be obscured by colourful autumn leaves.
Duke is in Durham, NC, possibly too warm for your wife. And it has lots
of sidewalks to attract liberals, though as I found in an October walk, >ankle-destroying breaks in the sidewalk can be obscured by colourful
autumn leaves.
    And yet we have American citizens who did not know that
Biden had dropped out and did not know that Harris and Walz were
the candidates of the Democratic party. As shown by search engines
queried on Election Day.
    Americans prefer games to the duties of citizenship,
one of which is to stay well informed as to political matters.
    bliss
On 9/11/24 08:26, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
snip
    And yet we have American citizens who did not know that
Biden had dropped out and did not know that Harris and Walz were
the candidates of the Democratic party. As shown by search engines
queried on Election Day.
George Carlin said that Americans only vote for the waiters who will lie
to get your tip whilst serving up the same old shit from the same old kitchen. Those using the search engines knew which group of waiters they wanted, the Democratic party in this scenario. It didn't matter whether
it was led by a dithering old pedophile succumbing to something like alzheimers or a non-white female who froze in mid-speech when the tele-prompter failed. Perhaps these people had switched channels
whenever political crap appeared on tv or perhaps they had read the
published policies of both the Republican and Democrat Political Party Manifestos, (as, of course, have all rasfw readers, here), and made a
serious choice based on their findings and trust that those they elected would fulfill that trust.
(Brief pause whilst I roll around on the floor laughing.)
If Idi Amin or [Insert favourite corporal here, Marines Ineligible],
stood for President for YOUR party, (after, of course, the published
policies of both the Republican and Democrat Political Party Manifestos
had been studied), would you vote for that other group of waiters?
    Americans prefer games to the duties of citizenship,
one of which is to stay well informed as to political matters.
There are far too many vested interests who profit from you being ill informed. Wouldn't it be better to develop a skill in life as did The
Player of Games, (Iain M Banks), who was manipulated into achieving
political ends by devious means.
    bliss
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/9/2024 5:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Wyoming is tiny and Texas is huge and both will allow you to do theseO_o I've driven across both Wyoming and Texas more than once. Wyoming >ain't "tiny".
things. Actually having cattle is no longer considered necessary to
wear the hat.
Okay, by European standards it's far from tiny.
And if Texas is "huge" what does that make Alaska?
Ginormous.
On 10/11/24 23:44, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:
Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving theWhy SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug >>>>>>> users on the street.
Parts of it, yes.
I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or
vagrants.
This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a >>>>>> beating, and dumped them in the next county. Somebody else's problem. >>>>>
problem! =)
So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is
illegal and hurts people you dislike.
Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini
level.
Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one-trick pony.
Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into an
apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points. :-)
Cheers,
Gary B-)
Yes, exactly. I wish he was still here to make mincemeat of D.
The current entertainment for me comes from the replies to D, not D's
extreme views and his prejudices but these replies are all restrained
and polite rather than full-on Jibini bloodthirsty.
On Sun, 10 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Sounds excellent! Since I generally do not like people, being in the
middle of nowhere, with a dog or two sounds like heaven! Sadly it is not >>> going to fly with the wife since she wants culture, opera and all that
stuff. So I imagine that sadly, in the end, it would have to be 2-3 hours >>> by car from some kind of bigger city. =(
You will not find European-grade opera in many places in the US. (I will
say surprisingly good things about here in Williamsburg, VA). Hmm... but
if you're looking for isolationist politics, quiet rural areas, and
proximity to a good opera company you could consider New Mexico. Also
very dry, but you can wear a cowboy hat and carry a pistol and still go
to the Santa Fe Opera which is really pretty amazingly good.
Maybe Central City Colorado too? Colorado is another oddly divided state.
We'll see... I couldn't care less. The wife will judge the quality.
You might like Alaska in that Alaska is filled with people who have an >>>> intense interest in personal independence. Unfortunately it is also
filled with people who have problems who had thought that if they could >>>> just get to Alaska that everything would be fine, and so they brought
their problems with them to Alaska.
Alaska is on my list! I did find anchorageopera.org so maybe that could
work! ;)
You could do worse. But they aren't the Met or the KO, let alone La Scala.
Sigh... at some point in the future I will be forced by the wife to go to
La Scala. I wish she would not like travelling so much. =(
On 11/10/2024 8:40 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 19:20:07 -0800, Dimensional TravelerMy apologies, for some reason I was thinking of Montana.
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/9/2024 5:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:O_o I've driven across both Wyoming and Texas more than once. Wyoming
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming would >>>>>> probably work.
Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk around >>>>> with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!
Wyoming is tiny and Texas is huge and both will allow you to do these
things. Actually having cattle is no longer considered necessary to
wear the hat.
--scott
ain't "tiny".
Not by the standards of, say, Rhode Island.
It is quite normal for the Great Plains.
And if Texas is "huge" what does that make Alaska?
Big enough that Texas could be made the third-largest State by
dividing Alaska in two (if done evenly enough).
D wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/9/2024 4:04 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming would >>>>> probably work.
Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk around
with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!
For citizens who meet the other requirements for firearms possession,
yes. You don't even need a permit. I'm not sure about green card
holders.
pt
Hooray! =D Yet another dream that the US would make come true! It truly
is the land of the free compared with shitty old europe which I
passionately hate so much!
Some years ago Duke University ran a job search for a senior scientist.
An American scientist resident in Denmark was flown in and gave an >exceptionally good talk. At dinner the conversation turned to his life
in Denmark, and he seemed very happy with it.
So told him that, while I was not myself on the search committee, I
thought it was almost certain that he'd be offered the job and asked if
he would take it.
"Absolutely not!" he said, puzzled that I would even ask.
So opinions differ.
Duke is in Durham, NC, possibly too warm for your wife. And it has lots
of sidewalks to attract liberals, though as I found in an October walk, >ankle-destroying breaks in the sidewalk can be obscured by colourful
autumn leaves.
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:30:17 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/24 23:44, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:
Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving the >>>>>> problem! =)Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug >>>>>>>> users on the street.
Parts of it, yes.
I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or
vagrants.
This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a >>>>>>> beating, and dumped them in the next county. Somebody else's problem. >>>>>>
So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is >>>>> illegal and hurts people you dislike.
Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini
level.
Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one-trick pony. >>>
Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into an
apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points. :-)
Cheers,
Gary B-)
Yes, exactly. I wish he was still here to make mincemeat of D.
The current entertainment for me comes from the replies to D, not D's
extreme views and his prejudices but these replies are all restrained
and polite rather than full-on Jibini bloodthirsty.
Of course, this discussion ignores the possibility that D /is/ Jabini.
On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 22:27:51 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:We'll see... I couldn't care less. The wife will judge the quality.
Sounds excellent! Since I generally do not like people, being in the
middle of nowhere, with a dog or two sounds like heaven! Sadly it is not >>>> going to fly with the wife since she wants culture, opera and all that >>>> stuff. So I imagine that sadly, in the end, it would have to be 2-3 hours >>>> by car from some kind of bigger city. =(
You will not find European-grade opera in many places in the US. (I will >>> say surprisingly good things about here in Williamsburg, VA). Hmm... but >>> if you're looking for isolationist politics, quiet rural areas, and
proximity to a good opera company you could consider New Mexico. Also
very dry, but you can wear a cowboy hat and carry a pistol and still go
to the Santa Fe Opera which is really pretty amazingly good.
Maybe Central City Colorado too? Colorado is another oddly divided state. >>
Sigh... at some point in the future I will be forced by the wife to go toYou might like Alaska in that Alaska is filled with people who have an >>>>> intense interest in personal independence. Unfortunately it is also >>>>> filled with people who have problems who had thought that if they could >>>>> just get to Alaska that everything would be fine, and so they brought >>>>> their problems with them to Alaska.
Alaska is on my list! I did find anchorageopera.org so maybe that could >>>> work! ;)
You could do worse. But they aren't the Met or the KO, let alone La Scala. >>
La Scala. I wish she would not like travelling so much. =(
This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
might like.
Of course, if you look like a Northern European and speak English
without a foreign accent ("foreign" possibly including the Northeast)
and don't wave your green card in their faces they may never catch on.
On 11/10/24 20:29, Titus G wrote:
On 9/11/24 08:26, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
snip
And yet we have American citizens who did not know that
Biden had dropped out and did not know that Harris and Walz were
the candidates of the Democratic party. As shown by search engines
queried on Election Day.
George Carlin said that Americans only vote for the waiters who will lie
to get your tip whilst serving up the same old shit from the same old
kitchen. Those using the search engines knew which group of waiters they
wanted, the Democratic party in this scenario. It didn't matter whether
it was led by a dithering old pedophile succumbing to something like
alzheimers or a non-white female who froze in mid-speech when the
tele-prompter failed. Perhaps these people had switched channels
whenever political crap appeared on tv or perhaps they had read the
published policies of both the Republican and Democrat Political Party
Manifestos, (as, of course, have all rasfw readers, here), and made a
serious choice based on their findings and trust that those they elected
would fulfill that trust.
(Brief pause whilst I roll around on the floor laughing.)
If Idi Amin or [Insert favourite corporal here, Marines Ineligible],
stood for President for YOUR party, (after, of course, the published
policies of both the Republican and Democrat Political Party Manifestos
had been studied), would you vote for that other group of waiters?
Americans prefer games to the duties of citizenship,
one of which is to stay well informed as to political matters.
There are far too many vested interests who profit from you being ill
informed. Wouldn't it be better to develop a skill in life as did The
Player of Games, (Iain M Banks), who was manipulated into achieving
political ends by devious means.
bliss
Well the corporal I am thinking of ingratiated himself with the
elder statesman of his nation as well as the Corporate Interests and
the Military. It seems their are parallels, some what askew, but the
story line is still there. Before long the elder statesman was out
of action and the former corporal rose to lead his nation into
infamy and war, while he pretended that the projects begun under
a more liberal administration were his ideas.
In article <vgr22b$qbn$1@panix2.panix.com>,
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/9/2024 5:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Wyoming is tiny and Texas is huge and both will allow you to do theseO_o I've driven across both Wyoming and Texas more than once. Wyoming
things. Actually having cattle is no longer considered necessary to
wear the hat.
ain't "tiny".
Okay, by European standards it's far from tiny.
And if Texas is "huge" what does that make Alaska?
Ginormous.
Ahem, Western Australia wants a few words with you.
On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 15:06:22 -0500, William Hyde
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
D wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/9/2024 4:04 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming would >>>>>> probably work.
Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk around >>>>> with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!
For citizens who meet the other requirements for firearms possession,
yes. You don't even need a permit. I'm not sure about green card
holders.
pt
Hooray! =D Yet another dream that the US would make come true! It truly
is the land of the free compared with shitty old europe which I
passionately hate so much!
Some years ago Duke University ran a job search for a senior scientist.
An American scientist resident in Denmark was flown in and gave an
exceptionally good talk. At dinner the conversation turned to his life
in Denmark, and he seemed very happy with it.
So told him that, while I was not myself on the search committee, I
thought it was almost certain that he'd be offered the job and asked if
he would take it.
"Absolutely not!" he said, puzzled that I would even ask.
So opinions differ.
Duke is in Durham, NC, possibly too warm for your wife. And it has lots
of sidewalks to attract liberals, though as I found in an October walk,
ankle-destroying breaks in the sidewalk can be obscured by colourful
autumn leaves.
Saves the city from having to fix the sidewalks: out of sight, out of
mind.
Well, until they get sued, anyway.
(The local university once install a road bump that injured five
people, one of whom died. The fifth, who didn't die, won a $16M
judgement against them. Only then did they remove it and replace it
with something less dangerous. Never underestimate the power of a
lawsuit payout to change minds.)
On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 21:11:46 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 11/10/24 20:29, Titus G wrote:
On 9/11/24 08:26, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
snip
    And yet we have American citizens who did not know that
Biden had dropped out and did not know that Harris and Walz were
the candidates of the Democratic party. As shown by search engines
queried on Election Day.
George Carlin said that Americans only vote for the waiters who will lie >>> to get your tip whilst serving up the same old shit from the same old
kitchen. Those using the search engines knew which group of waiters they >>> wanted, the Democratic party in this scenario. It didn't matter whether
it was led by a dithering old pedophile succumbing to something like
alzheimers or a non-white female who froze in mid-speech when the
tele-prompter failed. Perhaps these people had switched channels
whenever political crap appeared on tv or perhaps they had read the
published policies of both the Republican and Democrat Political Party
Manifestos, (as, of course, have all rasfw readers, here), and made a
serious choice based on their findings and trust that those they elected >>> would fulfill that trust.
(Brief pause whilst I roll around on the floor laughing.)
If Idi Amin or [Insert favourite corporal here, Marines Ineligible],
stood for President for YOUR party, (after, of course, the published
policies of both the Republican and Democrat Political Party Manifestos
had been studied), would you vote for that other group of waiters?
    Americans prefer games to the duties of citizenship,
one of which is to stay well informed as to political matters.
There are far too many vested interests who profit from you being ill
informed. Wouldn't it be better to develop a skill in life as did The
Player of Games, (Iain M Banks), who was manipulated into achieving
political ends by devious means.
    bliss
Well the corporal I am thinking of ingratiated himself with the
elder statesman of his nation as well as the Corporate Interests and
the Military. It seems their are parallels, some what askew, but the
story line is still there. Before long the elder statesman was out
of action and the former corporal rose to lead his nation into
infamy and war, while he pretended that the projects begun under
a more liberal administration were his ideas.
I believe he also had the Brownshirts [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung], which were both larger
and more disciplined than any "militia" existing in the USA today.
So the parallel fails at the critical point: no large disciplined
group of thugs designated as Republican Party security to carry out
Trump's will.
IOW, no "oomph" in the streets. As the failure on Jan 6 showed. 1000+ protestors tried/convicted/plead out, only -- what? 6? -- militia
members.
Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 11/10/2024 10:10 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:That's debatable.
In article <vgr22b$qbn$1@panix2.panix.com>,Alaska is prettier. :P
 kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/9/2024 5:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Wyoming is tiny and Texas is huge and both will allow you to do these >>>>>> things. Actually having cattle is no longer considered necessary to >>>>>> wear the hat.O_o I've driven across both Wyoming and Texas more than once.
Wyoming
ain't "tiny".
Okay, by European standards it's far from tiny.
And if Texas is "huge" what does that make Alaska?
Ginormous.
Ahem, Western Australia wants a few words with you.
I'd probably pick Alaska, but some people like beaches, oceans, warmth,
and that sort of thing.
This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as >accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
might like.
Or Mt Rainier erupts, sending a lahar downhill.
I believe he also had the Brownshirts >[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung], which were both larger
and more disciplined than any "militia" existing in the USA today.
So the parallel fails at the critical point: no large disciplined
group of thugs designated as Republican Party security to carry out
Trump's will.
Amtrak and Greyhound (or other such buses) ... would probably
encounter the lahar. Roads and tracks take time to replace. Bridges
take even longer.
And the memory of Dunkirk will be replaced with the memory of Seattle....
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started >trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the >people/bots that I filter, that is.
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the people/bots that I filter, that is.
    Cheers,
       Gary   B-)
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started >trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the >people/bots that I filter, that is.
In article <lp3qduFb8jqU1@mid.individual.net>,
Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started
trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the
people/bots that I filter, that is.
I imagine the American posters are either updating their passports
or making lists of which neighbours to inform on and the rest of us
are trying to work out if we're Austria or Poland.
(if you have to ask, you're always Poland)
On 11/7/24 04:34, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started
trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the
people/bots that I filter, that is.
Well they haven't come for me yet. However I twisted my ankle on
October 4 then on November 1 I walked too far and ended up in a
a fresh world of pain from the ankle. It is hard for me to read and
keep my foot elevated on an ice pack. I tend to fall asleep that
is and I have tp limit my time at the computer and doing chores.
I am tired of responding to bigots of many persuasion who
rejoice in the appointment of a monarchial ruler by the people
who live in darkness of hate and fear.
But the thought police have not come for me yet.--
On 11/7/24 05:08, James Nicoll wrote:
In article <lp3qduFb8jqU1@mid.individual.net>,
Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started
trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the
people/bots that I filter, that is.
I imagine the American posters are either updating their passports
or making lists of which neighbours to inform on and the rest of us
are trying to work out if we're Austria or Poland.
(if you have to ask, you're always Poland)
As for me I will stay here in San Francisco as long as I can.
The Darn Old Fart shortly to be in charge but as yet impotent to
act may fume noxiously but he does not smoke. And he could die before
he does anything too terrible aside from successfully dividing the
nation.
I have no neighbors to inform on nor passport to update
nor funds to flee. Not so many years ago I tried to find a
better place for me to be than in San Francisco and not even
Seattle tempted me.
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 08:18:52 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 11/7/24 05:08, James Nicoll wrote:
In article <lp3qduFb8jqU1@mid.individual.net>,
Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started >>>> trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the >>>> people/bots that I filter, that is.
I imagine the American posters are either updating their passports
or making lists of which neighbours to inform on and the rest of us
are trying to work out if we're Austria or Poland.
(if you have to ask, you're always Poland)
As for me I will stay here in San Francisco as long as I can.
The Darn Old Fart shortly to be in charge but as yet impotent to
act may fume noxiously but he does not smoke. And he could die before
he does anything too terrible aside from successfully dividing the
nation.
Assuming you mean while actually in Office, then Vance would take
over.
And /that/ would be pretty terrible, IMHO.
I have no neighbors to inform on nor passport to update
nor funds to flee. Not so many years ago I tried to find a
better place for me to be than in San Francisco and not even
Seattle tempted me.
Seattle doesn't want you. We are actually considering reviving the
Lesser Seattle movement of the past.
Remember, it always rains in Seattle.
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 08:11:49 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 11/7/24 04:34, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started
trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the
people/bots that I filter, that is.
Well they haven't come for me yet. However I twisted my ankle on
October 4 then on November 1 I walked too far and ended up in a
a fresh world of pain from the ankle. It is hard for me to read and
keep my foot elevated on an ice pack. I tend to fall asleep that
is and I have tp limit my time at the computer and doing chores.
Here's hoping your ankle heals soon.
I am tired of responding to bigots of many persuasion who
rejoice in the appointment of a monarchial ruler by the people
who live in darkness of hate and fear.
They don't know what darkness and fear is.
As Trump himself has said, they won't need to vote for him again, if
only because of the term limit.
But voting for him was their only value to him. And we know how Trump
treats those he does not need.
But the thought police have not come for me yet.
Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 11/7/24 05:08, James Nicoll wrote:
In article <lp3qduFb8jqU1@mid.individual.net>,
Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started >>>> trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the >>>> people/bots that I filter, that is.
I imagine the American posters are either updating their passports
or making lists of which neighbours to inform on and the rest of us
are trying to work out if we're Austria or Poland.
(if you have to ask, you're always Poland)
    As for me I will stay here in San Francisco as long as I can.
The Darn Old Fart shortly to be in charge but as yet impotent to
act may fume noxiously but he does not smoke. And he could die before
he does anything too terrible aside from successfully dividing the
nation.
    I have no neighbors to inform on nor passport to update
nor funds to flee. Not so many years ago I tried to find a
better place for me to be than in San Francisco and not even
Seattle tempted me.
There are very few places in the world where I arrive, and decide in
seconds that I'd like to live there.
San Francisco is one of those.
On 11/7/24 04:34, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started
trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the
people/bots that I filter, that is.
    Cheers,
       Gary   B-)
Well they haven't come for me yet. However I twisted my ankle on October 4 then on November 1 I walked too far and ended up in a
a fresh world of pain from the ankle. It is hard for me to read and
keep my foot elevated on an ice pack. I tend to fall asleep that
is and I have tp limit my time at the computer and doing chores.
I am tired of responding to bigots of many persuasion who
rejoice in the appointment of a monarchial ruler by the people
who live in darkness of hate and fear.
But the thought police have not come for me yet.
bliss
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 23:34:04 +1100, "Gary R. Schmidt"
<grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started
trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the
people/bots that I filter, that is.
I'm not sure why.
But I do know one newgroup that went from very active to crickets very quickly when everybody started killfiling everybody they didn't like.
It is possible that we are in the same Usenet Newsgroup death-spiral.
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 08:11:49 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 11/7/24 04:34, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started
trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the
people/bots that I filter, that is.
Well they haven't come for me yet. However I twisted my ankle on
October 4 then on November 1 I walked too far and ended up in a
a fresh world of pain from the ankle. It is hard for me to read and
keep my foot elevated on an ice pack. I tend to fall asleep that
is and I have tp limit my time at the computer and doing chores.
Here's hoping your ankle heals soon.
I am tired of responding to bigots of many persuasion who
rejoice in the appointment of a monarchial ruler by the people
who live in darkness of hate and fear.
They don't know what darkness and fear is.
As Trump himself has said, they won't need to vote for him again, if
only because of the term limit.
But voting for him was their only value to him. And we know how Trump
treats those he does not need.
But the thought police have not come for me yet.
Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 11/7/24 05:08, James Nicoll wrote:
In article <lp3qduFb8jqU1@mid.individual.net>,
Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started >>>> trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the >>>> people/bots that I filter, that is.
I imagine the American posters are either updating their passports
or making lists of which neighbours to inform on and the rest of us
are trying to work out if we're Austria or Poland.
(if you have to ask, you're always Poland)
    As for me I will stay here in San Francisco as long as I can.
The Darn Old Fart shortly to be in charge but as yet impotent to
act may fume noxiously but he does not smoke. And he could die before
he does anything too terrible aside from successfully dividing the
nation.
    I have no neighbors to inform on nor passport to update
nor funds to flee. Not so many years ago I tried to find a
better place for me to be than in San Francisco and not even
Seattle tempted me.
There are very few places in the world where I arrive, and decide in seconds that I'd like to live there.
San Francisco is one of those.
William Hyde
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the people/bots that I filter, that is.
Cheers,
Gary B-)
Seattle doesn't want you. We are actually considering reviving the
Lesser Seattle movement of the past.
Remember, it always rains in Seattle.
On 11/7/2024 6:34 AM, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started
trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the
people/bots that I filter, that is.
     Cheers,
        Gary   B-)
"Ok, so we won, but when do we start building the camps? Should I get
started now, will I get an email from Trump, and then I start? I've
never been a fascist before, I don't know how this works."
  https://x.com/CarpeDonktum/status/1854365852822315092
Hat tip to:
  https://areaocho.com/my-sides/
Lynn
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the people/bots that I filter, that is.
Cheers,
Gary B-)
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 23:34:04 +1100, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started
trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the
people/bots that I filter, that is.
Cheers,
Gary B-)
The silence is notable because of the absence of quadibloc.
He would have weighed in about events by now. But he hasn't
posted since Oct 16, after posting seven times in September.
On 11/7/2024 8:08 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
In article <lp3qduFb8jqU1@mid.individual.net>,
Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started
trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the
people/bots that I filter, that is.
I imagine the American posters are either updating their passports
or making lists of which neighbours to inform on and the rest of us
are trying to work out if we're Austria or Poland.
(if you have to ask, you're always Poland)
My wife and I have had serious discussions about moving.
I have the possibility to get an EU citizenship, I
grew up as an expatriate, and we both travel, so the idea
isn't as alien as it would be to some. We're both retired,
and have sufficient funds to be accepted in many countries.
For the moment, we're sitting tight. Trump only got a 3%
margin - there are plenty of non-Trumpers left in the
country.
Personally, I concur with Bernie Sanders that the Democrats
abandoned supporting working class interests, and Trump said
all the right things to pick that demographic up. I'm pretty
doubtful that he'll actually deliver for that group. He's
a lame duck, unconstrained by re-election. He will strip mine
the country to benefit billionaires.
pt
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Seattle doesn't want you. We are actually considering reviving the
Lesser Seattle movement of the past.
Remember, it always rains in Seattle.
Might be a nice place for a Worldcon, though.
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 08:11:49 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 11/7/24 04:34, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started >>>> trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the >>>> people/bots that I filter, that is.
Well they haven't come for me yet. However I twisted my ankle on
October 4 then on November 1 I walked too far and ended up in a
a fresh world of pain from the ankle. It is hard for me to read and
keep my foot elevated on an ice pack. I tend to fall asleep that
is and I have tp limit my time at the computer and doing chores.
Here's hoping your ankle heals soon.
I am tired of responding to bigots of many persuasion who
rejoice in the appointment of a monarchial ruler by the people
who live in darkness of hate and fear.
They don't know what darkness and fear is.
As Trump himself has said, they won't need to vote for him again, if
only because of the term limit.
But voting for him was their only value to him. And we know how Trump
treats those he does not need.
But the thought police have not come for me yet.
Well, now the healing and rebuilding of the nation can start! =)
On 11/7/24 08:45, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 08:11:49 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 11/7/24 04:34, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started >>>> trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the >>>> people/bots that I filter, that is.
Well they haven't come for me yet. However I twisted my ankle on
October 4 then on November 1 I walked too far and ended up in a
a fresh world of pain from the ankle. It is hard for me to read and
keep my foot elevated on an ice pack. I tend to fall asleep that
is and I have tp limit my time at the computer and doing chores.
Here's hoping your ankle heals soon.
So do I.
I am tired of responding to bigots of many persuasion who
rejoice in the appointment of a monarchial ruler by the people
who live in darkness of hate and fear.
They don't know what darkness and fear is.
Does the fish know what the water is that his life depends up and
which upholds him.
If they knew they lived in Darkness they would try to
light the area around them but they like the fish swim in ignorance
of the medium that supports them and oppresses others.
--As Trump himself has said, they won't need to vote for him again, if
only because of the term limit.
But voting for him was their only value to him. And we know how Trump
treats those he does not need.
But the thought police have not come for me yet.
bliss
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/7/2024 8:08 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
In article <lp3qduFb8jqU1@mid.individual.net>,
Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started >>>> trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the >>>> people/bots that I filter, that is.
I imagine the American posters are either updating their passports
or making lists of which neighbours to inform on and the rest of us
are trying to work out if we're Austria or Poland.
(if you have to ask, you're always Poland)
My wife and I have had serious discussions about moving.
I have the possibility to get an EU citizenship, I
grew up as an expatriate, and we both travel, so the idea
isn't as alien as it would be to some. We're both retired,
and have sufficient funds to be accepted in many countries.
For the moment, we're sitting tight. Trump only got a 3%
margin - there are plenty of non-Trumpers left in the
country.
Personally, I concur with Bernie Sanders that the Democrats
abandoned supporting working class interests, and Trump said
all the right things to pick that demographic up. I'm pretty
doubtful that he'll actually deliver for that group. He's
a lame duck, unconstrained by re-election. He will strip mine
the country to benefit billionaires.
pt
If you have any democrat/socialist leanings, in all honestly, I cannot >recommend europe enough. I think you would be very happy with society in >Sweden, Norway or Finland.
I'm in the exact opposite position! I hate living in europe, and when I >retire, the plan it for me and my wife to move to rural, red US to the
most conservative and bible thumping place we can find! =)
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 23:34:04 +1100, "Gary R. Schmidt"
<grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started
trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the
people/bots that I filter, that is.
I'm not sure why.
But I do know one newgroup that went from very active to crickets very
quickly when everybody started killfiling everybody they didn't like.
It is possible that we are in the same Usenet Newsgroup death-spiral.
I still see your posts, do you see my posts?
On 7 Nov 2024 23:45:56 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Seattle doesn't want you. We are actually considering reviving the
Lesser Seattle movement of the past.
Remember, it always rains in Seattle.
Might be a nice place for a Worldcon, though.
Unless we are under a Heat Dome and the power fails.
Or we get another dose of Freezing Rain. One lasting more than one
day.
Small tornadoes are rare, but not unknown. Maybe once a decade or two.
On 11/8/2024 8:18 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
In article <pan$3fd4b$507059d5$840bdc2f$43f809e6@cpacker.org>,
Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 23:34:04 +1100, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started >>>> trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the >>>> people/bots that I filter, that is.
Cheers,
Gary B-)
The silence is notable because of the absence of quadibloc.
He would have weighed in about events by now. But he hasn't
posted since Oct 16, after posting seven times in September.
I don't see an obit in the Edmonton Journal but that could just mean
nobody cared to arrange one.
(There is an obit for a John Savard who died 2011)
One of the sadder parts about participating in the
dying-embers phase of Usenet is how so many people
go silent unnoticed, leaving us with no indication
whether they've passed on, or gone elsewhere.
On 7 Nov 2024 23:45:56 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Seattle doesn't want you. We are actually considering reviving the
Lesser Seattle movement of the past.
Remember, it always rains in Seattle.
Might be a nice place for a Worldcon, though.
Unless we are under a Heat Dome and the power fails.
Or we get another dose of Freezing Rain. One lasting more than one
day.
Small tornadoes are rare, but not unknown. Maybe once a decade or two.
In article <lsesij93jemheqibovvadf4n9n33u3aj9i@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On 7 Nov 2024 23:45:56 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
Seattle doesn't want you. We are actually considering reviving the >>>Lesser Seattle movement of the past.
Remember, it always rains in Seattle.
Might be a nice place for a Worldcon, though.
Unless we are under a Heat Dome and the power fails.
Or we get another dose of Freezing Rain. One lasting more than one
day.
Small tornadoes are rare, but not unknown. Maybe once a decade or two.
Or Mt Rainier erupts, sending a lahar downhill.
On 11/7/2024 8:08 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
In article <lp3qduFb8jqU1@mid.individual.net>,
Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started
trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the
people/bots that I filter, that is.
I imagine the American posters are either updating their passports
or making lists of which neighbours to inform on and the rest of us
are trying to work out if we're Austria or Poland.
(if you have to ask, you're always Poland)
My wife and I have had serious discussions about moving.
I have the possibility to get an EU citizenship, I
grew up as an expatriate, and we both travel, so the idea
isn't as alien as it would be to some. We're both retired,
and have sufficient funds to be accepted in many countries.
For the moment, we're sitting tight. Trump only got a 3%
margin - there are plenty of non-Trumpers left in the
country.
Personally, I concur with Bernie Sanders that the Democrats
abandoned supporting working class interests, and Trump said
all the right things to pick that demographic up. I'm pretty
doubtful that he'll actually deliver for that group. He's
a lame duck, unconstrained by re-election. He will strip mine
the country to benefit billionaires.
On 2024-11-08, Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/7/2024 8:08 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
In article <lp3qduFb8jqU1@mid.individual.net>,
Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started >>>> trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the >>>> people/bots that I filter, that is.
I imagine the American posters are either updating their passports
or making lists of which neighbours to inform on and the rest of us
are trying to work out if we're Austria or Poland.
(if you have to ask, you're always Poland)
My wife and I have had serious discussions about moving.
I have the possibility to get an EU citizenship, I
grew up as an expatriate, and we both travel, so the idea
isn't as alien as it would be to some. We're both retired,
and have sufficient funds to be accepted in many countries.
For the moment, we're sitting tight. Trump only got a 3%
margin - there are plenty of non-Trumpers left in the
country.
Personally, I concur with Bernie Sanders that the Democrats
abandoned supporting working class interests, and Trump said
all the right things to pick that demographic up. I'm pretty
doubtful that he'll actually deliver for that group. He's
a lame duck, unconstrained by re-election. He will strip mine
the country to benefit billionaires.
As opposed to the many billions that Biden funnelled to his billionaires through the IRA, CHIP act and others?
You have to remember that we grow old. The status quo has changed. The Democrats have been the party of the wealthy for the past 20 years and it grows worse. Many more billionaires supported Biden in 2020 and Harris
this year than supported Trump. The growing discrepency is alarming. The Democrats spent 60% more than the Republicans since Super Tuesday
(over 1.6 billion compared to under 1 billion (NPR)).
Chris
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 23:10:06 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 23:34:04 +1100, "Gary R. Schmidt"
<grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started >>>> trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the >>>> people/bots that I filter, that is.
I'm not sure why.
But I do know one newgroup that went from very active to crickets very
quickly when everybody started killfiling everybody they didn't like.
It is possible that we are in the same Usenet Newsgroup death-spiral.
I still see your posts, do you see my posts?
Yes.
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 16:23:34 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/7/2024 8:08 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
In article <lp3qduFb8jqU1@mid.individual.net>,
Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started >>>>> trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the >>>>> people/bots that I filter, that is.
I imagine the American posters are either updating their passports
or making lists of which neighbours to inform on and the rest of us
are trying to work out if we're Austria or Poland.
(if you have to ask, you're always Poland)
My wife and I have had serious discussions about moving.
I have the possibility to get an EU citizenship, I
grew up as an expatriate, and we both travel, so the idea
isn't as alien as it would be to some. We're both retired,
and have sufficient funds to be accepted in many countries.
For the moment, we're sitting tight. Trump only got a 3%
margin - there are plenty of non-Trumpers left in the
country.
Personally, I concur with Bernie Sanders that the Democrats
abandoned supporting working class interests, and Trump said
all the right things to pick that demographic up. I'm pretty
doubtful that he'll actually deliver for that group. He's
a lame duck, unconstrained by re-election. He will strip mine
the country to benefit billionaires.
pt
If you have any democrat/socialist leanings, in all honestly, I cannot
recommend europe enough. I think you would be very happy with society in
Sweden, Norway or Finland.
I'm in the exact opposite position! I hate living in europe, and when I
retire, the plan it for me and my wife to move to rural, red US to the
most conservative and bible thumping place we can find! =)
Ah.
Idaho.
Or Montana.
(When our IRS call site adopted "team concept", we decided to divide
incoming calls among teams by SSN rather than State because, as one of
us put it, "I don't want to spend an entire day talking to Idaho". Of
course, that was in the days of Rev Butler and Aryan Nations. Current conditions may be better. Or not, at least medically.)
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 23:11:20 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 08:11:49 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 11/7/24 04:34, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started >>>>> trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the >>>>> people/bots that I filter, that is.
Well they haven't come for me yet. However I twisted my ankle on
October 4 then on November 1 I walked too far and ended up in a
a fresh world of pain from the ankle. It is hard for me to read and
keep my foot elevated on an ice pack. I tend to fall asleep that
is and I have tp limit my time at the computer and doing chores.
Here's hoping your ankle heals soon.
I am tired of responding to bigots of many persuasion who
rejoice in the appointment of a monarchial ruler by the people
who live in darkness of hate and fear.
They don't know what darkness and fear is.
As Trump himself has said, they won't need to vote for him again, if
only because of the term limit.
But voting for him was their only value to him. And we know how Trump
treats those he does not need.
But the thought police have not come for me yet.
Well, now the healing and rebuilding of the nation can start! =)
As I noted in 2016 (not here but online elsewhere), at least with
Trump we would get many legal questions answered. And so we have. No
doubt this will continue.
And I suppose it is possible that, freed from any obligation to his supporters since he cannot run again, he /might/ try healing and
rebuilding. As opposed to dividing and destroying.
One indicator might be if he actually pardons the Jan 6 folks. After
all, not only can they do nothing for him in the future even with
their right to vote restored, they failed in 2020. Why should he be
grateful to failure?
You have to remember that we grow old. The status quo has changed. The >Democrats have been the party of the wealthy for the past 20 years and it >grows worse. Many more billionaires supported Biden in 2020 and Harris
this year than supported Trump. The growing discrepency is alarming. The >Democrats spent 60% more than the Republicans since Super Tuesday
(over 1.6 billion compared to under 1 billion (NPR)).
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
Thank you Paul, that confirms what I have so far been thinking about in
Idaho.
Or Montana.
terms of places to move to. I have also heard good things about Wyoming, >South dakota, and someone, as strange as it may sound, also recommended
the far eastern parts of oregon. Not sure about that one, but that was one >recommendation as well.
Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug users on >the street. There was also a lot of homos in some areas which was not
good. It was not pleasant at all, although the city itself was nice
and fairly walkable.
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
Thank you Paul, that confirms what I have so far been thinking about in >>terms of places to move to. I have also heard good things about Wyoming, >>South dakota, and someone, as strange as it may sound, also recommended
Idaho.
Or Montana.
the far eastern parts of oregon. Not sure about that one, but that was one >>recommendation as well.
Oregon is weird because it has a very wide mix of different locations with >very different cultures in the same state and while you might like the
far eastern part, you won't like the state politics as a whole (because >neither side does).
Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote:
You have to remember that we grow old. The status quo has changed. The >>Democrats have been the party of the wealthy for the past 20 years and it >>grows worse. Many more billionaires supported Biden in 2020 and Harris >>this year than supported Trump. The growing discrepency is alarming. The >>Democrats spent 60% more than the Republicans since Super Tuesday
(over 1.6 billion compared to under 1 billion (NPR)).
The Democrats are the party of the wealthy, yes.
But the Republicans are
also the party of the wealthy, in spite of the current grassroots support. >Compare the funding for Trump's first campaign, which was greatly supported >by small donors, with the funding for this one, which was mostly supported
by larger donations.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
Thank you Paul, that confirms what I have so far been thinking about in
Idaho.
Or Montana.
terms of places to move to. I have also heard good things about Wyoming, >>> South dakota, and someone, as strange as it may sound, also recommended
the far eastern parts of oregon. Not sure about that one, but that was one >>> recommendation as well.
Oregon is weird because it has a very wide mix of different locations with >> very different cultures in the same state and while you might like the
far eastern part, you won't like the state politics as a whole (because
neither side does).
California also has a very wide mix of regions with liberal and
conservative regions across the state. The liberal regions tend
to be coastal in regions with dense populations, while the
conservative regions tend to be inland and rural.
The coastal regions have better weather, but there is something
for everyone.
On 2024-11-08, Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/7/2024 8:08 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
In article <lp3qduFb8jqU1@mid.individual.net>,
Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
Hey!
Is anybody else out there?
Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already started >>>> trucking people off to the ovens???
Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart from the >>>> people/bots that I filter, that is.
I imagine the American posters are either updating their passports
or making lists of which neighbours to inform on and the rest of us
are trying to work out if we're Austria or Poland.
(if you have to ask, you're always Poland)
My wife and I have had serious discussions about moving.
I have the possibility to get an EU citizenship, I
grew up as an expatriate, and we both travel, so the idea
isn't as alien as it would be to some. We're both retired,
and have sufficient funds to be accepted in many countries.
For the moment, we're sitting tight. Trump only got a 3%
margin - there are plenty of non-Trumpers left in the
country.
Personally, I concur with Bernie Sanders that the Democrats
abandoned supporting working class interests, and Trump said
all the right things to pick that demographic up. I'm pretty
doubtful that he'll actually deliver for that group. He's
a lame duck, unconstrained by re-election. He will strip mine
the country to benefit billionaires.
As opposed to the many billions that Biden funnelled to his billionaires through the IRA, CHIP act and others?
You have to remember that we grow old. The status quo has changed. The Democrats have been the party of the wealthy for the past 20 years and it grows worse. Many more billionaires supported Biden in 2020 and Harris
this year than supported Trump. The growing discrepency is alarming. The Democrats spent 60% more than the Republicans since Super Tuesday
(over 1.6 billion compared to under 1 billion (NPR)).
Chris
On 11/8/24 10:53, Chris Buckley wrote:
On 2024-11-08, Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/7/2024 8:08 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
In article <lp3qduFb8jqU1@mid.individual.net>,
Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
    The fromer Republican party and I want to call it the Reb-publican party cause they are animated by racism as are most of
the measures to suppress voting pretended to be the the party of
the working citizens but they ain't. Bunch of Union-busting
kleptocrats. But the real name of the party which elected Trump is
MAGA. And #47 said so on election night.
    And yet we have American citizens who did not know that
Biden had dropped out and did not know that Harris and Walz were
the candidates of the Democratic party. As shown by search engines
queried on Election Day.
    Americans prefer games to the duties of citizenship,
one of which is to stay well informed as to political matters.
    bliss
On 11/11/2024 9:53 AM, Paul S Person wrote:snip
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:30:17 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/24 23:44, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into an >>>> apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points. :-)
     Cheers,
        Gary   B-)
Yes, exactly. I wish he was still here to make mincemeat of D.
The current entertainment for me comes from the replies to D, not D's
extreme views and his prejudices but these replies are all restrained
and polite rather than full-on Jibini bloodthirsty.
Of course, this discussion ignores the possibility that D /is/ Jibini.
On 11/11/2024 9:53 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:30:17 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/24 23:44, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:
Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug >>>>>>>>> users on the street.
Parts of it, yes.
I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or >>>>>>>> vagrants.
This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a >>>>>>>> beating, and dumped them in the next county. Somebody else's >>>>>>>> problem.
Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving the >>>>>>> problem! =)
So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is >>>>>> illegal and hurts people you dislike.
Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini >>>>> level.
Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one-trick pony. >>>>
Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into an >>>> apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points. :-)
    Cheers,
       Gary   B-)
Yes, exactly. I wish he was still here to make mincemeat of D.
The current entertainment for me comes from the replies to D, not D's
extreme views and his prejudices but these replies are all restrained
and polite rather than full-on Jibini bloodthirsty.
Of course, this discussion ignores the possibility that D /is/ Jabini.
D is not curt and nasty.
Lynn
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as
accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
might like.
This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out
that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and
you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does
not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay community. --scott
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 20:34:20 -0500, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
Or Mt Rainier erupts, sending a lahar downhill.
Which most recently was when 8000 years ago?
(Or would that be Mt Baker north of Seattle toward the Canadian
border? Both are volcanos that haven't erupted any time recently - I'm
afraid I've lost my via of Mt St Helen's ash which I was given by a
former student whose father had a cottage about 30 mi away from there
and saved the volcanic dust he had his eaves filled with)
On 11/11/2024 9:53 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:30:17 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/24 23:44, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:
Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving the >>>>>>> problem! =)Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug >>>>>>>>> users on the street.
Parts of it, yes.
I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or >>>>>>>> vagrants.
This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a >>>>>>>> beating, and dumped them in the next county. Somebody else's problem. >>>>>>>
So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is >>>>>> illegal and hurts people you dislike.
Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini >>>>> level.
Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one-trick pony. >>>>
Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into an >>>> apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points. :-)
Cheers,
Gary B-)
Yes, exactly. I wish he was still here to make mincemeat of D.
The current entertainment for me comes from the replies to D, not D's
extreme views and his prejudices but these replies are all restrained
and polite rather than full-on Jibini bloodthirsty.
Of course, this discussion ignores the possibility that D /is/ Jabini.
D is not curt and nasty.
On 11/11/2024 1:42 PM, William Hyde wrote:
Paul S Person wrote:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 15:06:22 -0500, William Hyde
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
D wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/9/2024 4:04 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote:
So if not having a lot of people around is a good thing, Wyoming >>>>>>>> would
probably work.
Do you think I would be allowed to wear a cowboy hat and walk around >>>>>>> with a gun in Wyoming? That would be a strong incentive!
For citizens who meet the other requirements for firearms possession, >>>>>> yes. You don't even need a permit. I'm not sure about green card
holders.
pt
Hooray! =D Yet another dream that the US would make come true! It truly >>>>> is the land of the free compared with shitty old europe which I
passionately hate so much!
Some years ago Duke University ran a job search for a senior scientist. >>>>
An American scientist resident in Denmark was flown in and gave an
exceptionally good talk. At dinner the conversation turned to his life >>>> in Denmark, and he seemed very happy with it.
So told him that, while I was not myself on the search committee, I
thought it was almost certain that he'd be offered the job and asked if >>>> he would take it.
"Absolutely not!" he said, puzzled that I would even ask.
So opinions differ.
Duke is in Durham, NC, possibly too warm for your wife. And it has lots >>>> of sidewalks to attract liberals, though as I found in an October walk, >>>> ankle-destroying breaks in the sidewalk can be obscured by colourful
autumn leaves.
Saves the city from having to fix the sidewalks: out of sight, out of
mind.
Well, until they get sued, anyway.
Halifax was the exact opposite. They fixed sidewalks which were
perfectly fine. The reason being that the city is mildly corrupt, and
people wanted those contracts. Still, they were a pleasure to walk on.
For contrast, sidewalks on the Dalhousie campus in Halifax were a
positive danger, but never fixed as the University always had something
different to spend its limited cash on. Like office redecoration for
administrators.
An elderly retired professor died from a fall owing to broken sidewalks
at A&M. The site was taped off, but not repaired in the two years
before I left Texas.
Some years ago there was a competition in Toronto to find the oldest bit
of sidewalk. The winning pavement was dated 1918 and was in perfect
shape. It was, however, under a bridge and thus somewhat sheltered.
(The local university once install a road bump that injured five
people, one of whom died. The fifth, who didn't die, won a $16M
judgement against them. Only then did they remove it and replace it
with something less dangerous. Never underestimate the power of a
lawsuit payout to change minds.)
In Texas the payout would have been limited to 500k.
I wasn't hurt enough to consider suing Durham. Besides, if one demands
low taxes one gets low service, and I can't sue the voters, can I?
Caveat Pedestrem.
(Someone correct my Latin, I'm sure that's wrong).
William Hyde
Texas damage lawsuits are limited to $500K plus actual economic damages.
I am not sure how the economic damage of a death would be calculated
but it could be in the millions for taking care of dependents.
On 11/11/24 08:14, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 21:11:46 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 11/10/24 20:29, Titus G wrote:
On 9/11/24 08:26, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
snip
And yet we have American citizens who did not know that
Biden had dropped out and did not know that Harris and Walz were
the candidates of the Democratic party. As shown by search engines
queried on Election Day.
George Carlin said that Americans only vote for the waiters who will lie >>>> to get your tip whilst serving up the same old shit from the same old
kitchen. Those using the search engines knew which group of waiters they >>>> wanted, the Democratic party in this scenario. It didn't matter whether >>>> it was led by a dithering old pedophile succumbing to something like
alzheimers or a non-white female who froze in mid-speech when the
tele-prompter failed. Perhaps these people had switched channels
whenever political crap appeared on tv or perhaps they had read the
published policies of both the Republican and Democrat Political Party >>>> Manifestos, (as, of course, have all rasfw readers, here), and made a
serious choice based on their findings and trust that those they elected >>>> would fulfill that trust.
(Brief pause whilst I roll around on the floor laughing.)
If Idi Amin or [Insert favourite corporal here, Marines Ineligible],
stood for President for YOUR party, (after, of course, the published
policies of both the Republican and Democrat Political Party Manifestos >>>> had been studied), would you vote for that other group of waiters?
Americans prefer games to the duties of citizenship,
one of which is to stay well informed as to political matters.
There are far too many vested interests who profit from you being ill
informed. Wouldn't it be better to develop a skill in life as did The
Player of Games, (Iain M Banks), who was manipulated into achieving
political ends by devious means.
bliss
Well the corporal I am thinking of ingratiated himself with the
elder statesman of his nation as well as the Corporate Interests and
the Military. It seems their are parallels, some what askew, but the
story line is still there. Before long the elder statesman was out
of action and the former corporal rose to lead his nation into
infamy and war, while he pretended that the projects begun under
a more liberal administration were his ideas.
I believe he also had the Brownshirts
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung], which were both larger
and more disciplined than any "militia" existing in the USA today.
So the parallel fails at the critical point: no large disciplined
group of thugs designated as Republican Party security to carry out
Trump's will.
IOW, no "oomph" in the streets. As the failure on Jan 6 showed. 1000+
protestors tried/convicted/plead out, only -- what? 6? -- militia
members.
One of the promises (yes he is poor at keeping promises)
made by the ineligible candidate was to pardon everyone involved
with January 6. As for the Republican thugs sorry they are MAGA
thugs and must include the Proud Boys and other brands of politial thuggery.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
I believe he also had the Brownshirts >>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung], which were both larger
and more disciplined than any "militia" existing in the USA today.
So the parallel fails at the critical point: no large disciplined
group of thugs designated as Republican Party security to carry out
Trump's will.
Trump attempted in 2020 in Oregon to use Federal police to shut down >demonstrations and he mostly got away with it.
I think that use was actually constitutional although the courts never
got a chance to rule on it. I don't think it -should- be constitutional >however.
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 16:40:55 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 20:34:20 -0500, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
Or Mt Rainier erupts, sending a lahar downhill.
Which most recently was when 8000 years ago?
(Or would that be Mt Baker north of Seattle toward the Canadian
border? Both are volcanos that haven't erupted any time recently - I'm
afraid I've lost my via of Mt St Helen's ash which I was given by a
former student whose father had a cottage about 30 mi away from there
and saved the volcanic dust he had his eaves filled with)
The longer it's been, the more pressure accumulates, and the more
likely it becomes.
This applies to earthquakes as well as volcanos. There is one
difference: a volcano can move off the "hot spot" and go dormant
indeed, but those pesky plates just keep on slippin' and slidin'.
On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as
accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
might like.
This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out
that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and
you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does
not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay
community.
--scott
This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to best
protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA hat from
the US, would this be an effectice way to protect oneself? =/
What do you need to protect yourself against?
pt
On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as
accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
might like.
This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out
that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and
you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does
not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay community. >>> --scott
This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to best
protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA hat from the >> US, would this be an effectice way to protect oneself? =/
What do you need to protect yourself against?
pt
On 11/12/2024 4:03 AM, D wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 11/11/2024 9:53 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:30:17 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>
On 10/11/24 23:44, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:
Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug >>>>>>>>>>> users on the street.
Parts of it, yes.
I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or >>>>>>>>>> vagrants.
This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a >>>>>>>>>> beating, and dumped them in the next county. Somebody else's >>>>>>>>>> problem.
Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving the >>>>>>>>> problem! =)
So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is >>>>>>>> illegal and hurts people you dislike.
Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini >>>>>>> level.
Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one-trick >>>>>> pony.
Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into an >>>>>> apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points. :-)
     Cheers,
        Gary   B-)
Yes, exactly. I wish he was still here to make mincemeat of D.
The current entertainment for me comes from the replies to D, not D's >>>>> extreme views and his prejudices but these replies are all restrained >>>>> and polite rather than full-on Jibini bloodthirsty.
Of course, this discussion ignores the possibility that D /is/ Jabini.
D is not curt and nasty.
Lynn
Thank you Lynn. Occasionally I do admit that the old temper runs a bit hot, >> but I do my best! =)
Terry Austin (gutless,jinbini) ran me and several others out of here back in 2000 or so with his antics. I did not come back until 2010 ??? when he had calmed down and he stopped nymshifting.
Lynn
On 13/11/24 10:46, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as >>>>> accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
might like.
This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out
that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and
you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does
not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay
community.
--scott
This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to best
protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA hat from
the US, would this be an effectice way to protect oneself? =/
What do you need to protect yourself against?
pt
Himself? Isn't it the case that the extreme homophobic is secretly
frightened that he may be homosexual himself?
On 11/13/2024 4:38 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as >>>>>> accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you >>>>>> might like.
This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out
that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and >>>>> you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does >>>>> not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay
community.
--scott
This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to best >>>> protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA hat from >>>> the US, would this be an effectice way to protect oneself? =/
What do you need to protect yourself against?
pt
Homos of course!
What do you think they're going to do to you?
pt
On 11/12/2024 8:30 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 16:40:55 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 20:34:20 -0500, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
Or Mt Rainier erupts, sending a lahar downhill.
Which most recently was when 8000 years ago?
(Or would that be Mt Baker north of Seattle toward the Canadian
border? Both are volcanos that haven't erupted any time recently - I'm
afraid I've lost my via of Mt St Helen's ash which I was given by a
former student whose father had a cottage about 30 mi away from there
and saved the volcanic dust he had his eaves filled with)
The longer it's been, the more pressure accumulates, and the more
likely it becomes.
This applies to earthquakes as well as volcanos. There is one
difference: a volcano can move off the "hot spot" and go dormant
indeed, but those pesky plates just keep on slippin' and slidin'.
So a good strong earthquake can take care of your volcano problem.
Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as >>>>> accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
might like.
This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out
that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and
you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does
not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay
community.
--scott
This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to
best protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA
hat from the US, would this be an effectice way to protect oneself? =/
What do you need to protect yourself against?
Everything except climate change.
William Hyde
Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as >>>>> accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
might like.
This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out
that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and
you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does
not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay community. >>>> --scott
This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to best
protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA hat from the >>> US, would this be an effectice way to protect oneself? =/
What do you need to protect yourself against?
Everything except climate change.
William Hyde
On 11/13/24 14:23, William Hyde wrote:
Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as >>>>>> accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you >>>>>> might like.
This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out
that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and >>>>> you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does >>>>> not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay
community.
--scott
This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to best >>>> protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA hat from >>>> the US, would this be an effectice way to protect oneself? =/
Get a Gender Reassigment Surgery and make sure everyone knows
about it. Gay Penises are only interested in having anything to do
with other penises. Without a penis you will no longer be attractive
to Gay Men (or attracked by them.)
It sounds like a severe thing to do but if you are immobilized
by fear of Gay Penisesit may be your only choice.
What do you need to protect yourself against?
Everything except climate change.
William Hyde
Tongue tightly in cheek.
bliss
On 11/13/2024 10:22 AM, D wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/13/2024 4:38 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to >>>>>>>> point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as >>>>>>>> accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you >>>>>>>> might like.
This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out >>>>>>> that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread and >>>>>>> you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also does >>>>>>> not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay
community.
--scott
This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to best >>>>>> protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA hat from >>>>>> the US, would this be an effectice way to protect oneself? =/
What do you need to protect yourself against?
pt
Homos of course!
What do you think they're going to do to you?
pt
Attack me with their penises. What do you think?
Get therapy.
pt
On 11/13/2024 3:38 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 11/12/2024 4:03 AM, D wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 11/11/2024 9:53 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:30:17 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>>>D is not curt and nasty.
On 10/11/24 23:44, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:
Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many >>>>>>>>>>>>> drug
users on the street.
Parts of it, yes.
I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or >>>>>>>>>>>> vagrants.
This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them >>>>>>>>>>>> a
beating, and dumped them in the next county. Somebody else's >>>>>>>>>>>> problem.
Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving >>>>>>>>>>> the
problem! =)
So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it >>>>>>>>>> is
illegal and hurts people you dislike.
Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the Jibini >>>>>>>>> level.
Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one- trick >>>>>>>> pony.
Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a
grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D into >>>>>>>> an
apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points. :-)
     Cheers,
        Gary   B-)
Yes, exactly. I wish he was still here to make mincemeat of D.
The current entertainment for me comes from the replies to D, not D's >>>>>>> extreme views and his prejudices but these replies are all restrained >>>>>>> and polite rather than full-on Jibini bloodthirsty.
Of course, this discussion ignores the possibility that D /is/ Jabini. >>>>>
Lynn
Thank you Lynn. Occasionally I do admit that the old temper runs a bit >>>> hot, but I do my best! =)
Terry Austin (gutless,jinbini) ran me and several others out of here back >>> in 2000 or so with his antics. I did not come back until 2010 ??? when he >>> had calmed down and he stopped nymshifting.
Lynn
How come he was so successful given killfiles, regular expressions and all >> the power of technology we have at our hands for not having to read things >> we do not want to read?
He flooded every posting I and several others made with his infamous "Bark ! Bark ! Bark !" repeated a hundred times posting. It got old in a hurry. If you complained, he would just nymshift and do it again.
Lynn
Terry Austin (gutless,jinbini)[ Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha]
back in 2000 or so with his antics. I did not come back until 2010 ???
when he had calmed down and he stopped nymshifting.
On 11/13/2024 10:22 AM, D wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/13/2024 4:38 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to >>>>>>>> point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not >>>>>>>> be as
accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you >>>>>>>> might like.
This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out >>>>>>> that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread >>>>>>> and
you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also >>>>>>> does
not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay
community.
--scott
This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to
best protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA >>>>>> hat from the US, would this be an effectice way to protect
oneself? =/
What do you need to protect yourself against?
pt
Homos of course!
What do you think they're going to do to you?
pt
Attack me with their penises. What do you think?
Get therapy.
pt
On 11/13/2024 4:38 AM, D wrote:
Homos of course!
What do you think they're going to do to you?
On 14/11/24 14:51, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/13/2024 10:22 AM, D wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/13/2024 4:38 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/12/2024 5:02 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to >>>>>>>>> point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not >>>>>>>>> be as
accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you >>>>>>>>> might like.
This is true, but I think it is perhaps more important to point out >>>>>>>> that gay men and grand opera go together like beans and cornbread >>>>>>>> and
you not apt to find a city with a good opera community that also >>>>>>>> does
not have a substantial (if sometimes desperately closeted) gay >>>>>>>> community.
--scott
This is very troubling! Do you have some good advice about how to >>>>>>> best protect oneself from gay men? I have recently imported a MAGA >>>>>>> hat from the US, would this be an effectice way to protect
oneself? =/
What do you need to protect yourself against?
pt
Homos of course!
What do you think they're going to do to you?
pt
Attack me with their penises. What do you think?
Get therapy.
pt
The right wing US billionaire, Peter Thiel is a happily married
homosexual who used to keep a young male model boyfriend in luxury in a different state. Do you think he attacked JD Vance with his penis
causing JD to reverse his political stance? Of course not.
How would he ever have become a billionaire if he and his friends spent
their days attempting to attack fourteen year old unwanted Swedish boys seeking attention with their keyboards? He wouldn't have.
(I know that proof by isolated example is a fallacy but D won't so
therefore I will lull it, (him?), into a false sense of security so he
won't hear his parent, a recent convert to the thrill of that enormous
tra la la from the large bosomed stage singer in the frilly clothes,
answer the door to the trouserless hordes.)
On 11/14/2024 2:36 AM, D wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 11/13/2024 3:38 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 11/12/2024 4:03 AM, D wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 11/11/2024 9:53 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:30:17 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 10/11/24 23:44, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
On 10/11/2024 15:45, Titus G wrote:
On 10/11/24 08:42, William Hyde wrote:
D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:
Why SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drug
users on the street.
Parts of it, yes.
I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vagrants.
This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave >>>>>>>>>>>>>> them a
beating, and dumped them in the next county. Somebody else's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem.
Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
problem! =)
So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided >>>>>>>>>>>> it is
illegal and hurts people you dislike.
Now that D is here, the entertainment level is surpassing the >>>>>>>>>>> Jibini
level.
Nah, D's not as entertaining as Terry, he's really just a one- >>>>>>>>>> trick pony.
Terry could come out with new lines and bounce around like a >>>>>>>>>> grass-hopper in a BugCatcher - and probably would have baited D >>>>>>>>>> into an
apoplexy, consistency was not one of his strong points. :-) >>>>>>>>>>
     Cheers,
        Gary   B-)
Yes, exactly. I wish he was still here to make mincemeat of D. >>>>>>>>> The current entertainment for me comes from the replies to D, not >>>>>>>>> D's
extreme views and his prejudices but these replies are all
restrained
and polite rather than full-on Jibini bloodthirsty.
Of course, this discussion ignores the possibility that D /is/ >>>>>>>> Jabini.
D is not curt and nasty.
Lynn
Thank you Lynn. Occasionally I do admit that the old temper runs a bit >>>>>> hot, but I do my best! =)
Terry Austin (gutless,jinbini) ran me and several others out of here >>>>> back in 2000 or so with his antics. I did not come back until 2010 ??? >>>>> when he had calmed down and he stopped nymshifting.
Lynn
How come he was so successful given killfiles, regular expressions and >>>> all the power of technology we have at our hands for not having to read >>>> things we do not want to read?
He flooded every posting I and several others made with his infamous "Bark >>> ! Bark ! Bark !" repeated a hundred times posting. It got old in a
hurry. If you complained, he would just nymshift and do it again.
Lynn
Ahh, I see. But in the end you are here and he is not, so you won! =)
I found an obit a couple of years ago that might be for Terry so he might have passed away.
Lynn
On 13/11/24 09:51, Lynn McGuire wrote:
[ Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha]
Terry Austin (gutless,jinbini)
ran me and several others out of here
back in 2000 or so with his antics. I did not come back until 2010 ???
when he had calmed down and he stopped nymshifting.
What a laugh. Did these several others have names or were they perhaps
your imaginary friends?
I recall events differently.
1. That the insult in his latest signature he had had for some years was
to accuse someone of being stupider than Lynn.
2. That he never calmed down.
I find your positivity and enthusiasm for young adult SF incredible and
it almost outweighs your regular arrogant misinterpretations, (eg
Murder Bot), and your primitive political and religious views, (Covid,
AGW, Glossolalia). I also think you are a welcomed institution here and
I would be sad if you didn't or couldn't post.
In article <vh2en2$28j1c$1@dont-email.me>,
On 11/13/2024 4:38 AM, D wrote:
Homos of course!
What do you think they're going to do to you?
Take him to the opera of course!
--scott
Lynn McGuire wrote:
Terry Austin (gutless,jinbini)[ Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha] ran me and several others out of here
back in 2000 or so with his antics. I did not come back until 2010 ???
when he had calmed down and he stopped nymshifting.
What a laugh. Did these several others have names or were they perhaps
your imaginary friends?
I recall events differently.
1. That the insult in his latest signature he had had for some years was
to accuse someone of being stupider than Lynn.
2. That he never calmed down.
I find your positivity and enthusiasm for young adult SF incredible and
it almost outweighs your regular arrogant misinterpretations, (eg
Murder Bot), and your primitive political and religious views, (Covid,
AGW, Glossolalia). I also think you are a welcomed institution here and
I would be sad if you didn't or couldn't post.
In article <vh2en2$28j1c$1@dont-email.me>,
On 11/13/2024 4:38 AM, D wrote:
Homos of course!
What do you think they're going to do to you?
Take him to the opera of course!
Titus G wrote:
Lynn McGuire wrote:
Terry Austin (gutless,jinbini)[ Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha] ran me and several others out of here >>> back in 2000 or so with his antics. I did not come back until 2010 ??? >>> when he had calmed down and he stopped nymshifting.
What a laugh. Did these several others have names or were they perhaps
your imaginary friends?
I recall events differently.
1. That the insult in his latest signature he had had for some years was
to accuse someone of being stupider than Lynn.
2. That he never calmed down.
I find your positivity and enthusiasm for young adult SF incredible and
it almost outweighs your regular arrogant misinterpretations, (eg
Murder Bot), and your primitive political and religious views, (Covid,
AGW, Glossolalia). I also think you are a welcomed institution here and
I would be sad if you didn't or couldn't post.
According to January 2023 WordsRated statistics, 51% of YA books are
purchased by people between the ages of 30 and 44, and 78% of those
buyers said that they intended to read the books themselves. In recent
years, librarians report that more middle grade readers (traditionally
eight- to 12-year-olds) are "reading up" to YA books.
<https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/childrens/childrens-industry-news/article/93417-who-is-ya-for.html>
Although the article above advances arguments about why aged adults read Young Adult (YA) fiction, in my case it's quite simple. Young adult
fiction furnishes flights of fancy (eg escapism), to me.
The closer a given protagonist resembles me, both outwardly and inwardly, the better. The more easily digestible the science is, the
better.
Bohmian theory is hard. As is playing the apostate to debunk
Scientism invented by Science Fiction titan Francis "Shakespeare"
Bacon. From my perspective, Hubbard's Scientology is but a dull
reflection of Bacon's brilliant Scientism.
Yet, despite my proclivity for YA, the fight continues. Robert
Frederick offers world class research on Bacon. He recently released
another free episode:
The Gnostic Romeo and Juliet: Sex, Death, Violence and Vampires
Romeo and Juliet is possibly the most famous and popular
play of all time- it's filled with death, not love and
there is barely any romance! I make a detailed scene by
scene case that this play is hiding a horror movie.
<https://thehiddenlifeisbest.com/post/episode-17>
Danke,
--
Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. https://crcomp.net/reviews.php telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. Walk humbly with thy God. tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' Make 1984 fiction again.
Titus G wrote:
Lynn McGuire wrote:
Terry Austin (gutless,jinbini)[ Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha] ran me and several others out of here >>> back in 2000 or so with his antics. I did not come back until 2010 ??? >>> when he had calmed down and he stopped nymshifting.
What a laugh. Did these several others have names or were they perhaps
your imaginary friends?
I recall events differently.
1. That the insult in his latest signature he had had for some years was
to accuse someone of being stupider than Lynn.
2. That he never calmed down.
I find your positivity and enthusiasm for young adult SF incredible and
it almost outweighs your regular arrogant misinterpretations, (eg
Murder Bot), and your primitive political and religious views, (Covid,
AGW, Glossolalia). I also think you are a welcomed institution here and
I would be sad if you didn't or couldn't post.
According to January 2023 WordsRated statistics, 51% of YA books are
purchased by people between the ages of 30 and 44, and 78% of those
buyers said that they intended to read the books themselves. In recent
years, librarians report that more middle grade readers (traditionally
eight- to 12-year-olds) are "reading up" to YA books.
<https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/childrens/childrens-industry-news/article/93417-who-is-ya-for.html>
Also looking at the amount of "Awfully Quite in here"
it ain't very quiet here and we should find better Subject headers.
On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 07:55:39 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
<snippo>
Also looking at the amount of "Awfully Quite in here"
it ain't very quiet here and we should find better Subject headers.
IIRC, that post appeared on a day when I got a total of seven (7) new messages. So it seemed apropos to me at the time.
I've been to Seattle twice, both times it was beautifully sunny.
The second time was while I was taking training at Microsoft, in
Redmond. At the start of the course, everyone was asked to stand
up and introduce themselves. I did, and added 'Clearly, I've been
lied to about the climate here. Everytime I've been here the weather
has be great."
There was silence, then someone yelled "Don't let that man leave!".
This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as >accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
might like.
Of course, if you look like a Northern European and speak English
without a foreign accent ("foreign" possibly including the Northeast)
and don't wave your green card in their faces they may never catch on.
Ahem, Western Australia wants a few words with you.Alaska is prettier. :P
In article <vh2en2$28j1c$1@dont-email.me>,
On 11/13/2024 4:38 AM, D wrote:
Homos of course!
What do you think they're going to do to you?
Take him to the opera of course!
--scott
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:49:41 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Ahem, Western Australia wants a few words with you.Alaska is prettier. :P
And Quebec is larger than Alaska and you are less likely to be eaten
by a bear...
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:49:41 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Ahem, Western Australia wants a few words with you.Alaska is prettier. :P
And Quebec is larger than Alaska and you are less likely to be eaten
by a bear...
And Quebec is larger than Alaska and you are less likely to be eaten
by a bear...
On 2024-11-23, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
And Quebec is larger than Alaska and you are less likely to be eaten
by a bear...
Alaska: Total area 1,723,337 km²
Quebec: Total area 1,542,056 km²
(Wikipedia)
Yeah, thought so.
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 07:58:50 -0800, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as
accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
might like.
Of course, if you look like a Northern European and speak English
without a foreign accent ("foreign" possibly including the Northeast)
and don't wave your green card in their faces they may never catch on.
Maybe I should start driving south - I don't have a green card but accent-wise could probably pass.
But then my daughter has lived in the UK for 10 years and no one would
ever confuse her with a Brit when she speaks.
(Nor physically despite the fact she is descended from seven different European nationalities no further back than her great great
grandparents)
On 11/23/2024 2:43 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:49:41 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Ahem, Western Australia wants a few words with you.Alaska is prettier. :P
And Quebec is larger than Alaska and you are less likely to be eaten
by a bear...
But its in CANADA!!! :P
On 11/24/2024 4:08 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 23 Nov 2024, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 07:58:50 -0800, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as
accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you
might like.
Of course, if you look like a Northern European and speak English
without a foreign accent ("foreign" possibly including the Northeast)
and don't wave your green card in their faces they may never catch on.
Maybe I should start driving south - I don't have a green card but
accent-wise could probably pass.
But then my daughter has lived in the UK for 10 years and no one would
ever confuse her with a Brit when she speaks.
(Nor physically despite the fact she is descended from seven different
European nationalities no further back than her great great
grandparents)
7!?! How is that even possible? ;)
Assuming no inbreeding, you have 16 great-great grandparents.
Its perfectly possible for them to come from 7 different
countries.
pt
On 11/25/2024 4:59 AM, D wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/24/2024 4:08 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 23 Nov 2024, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 07:58:50 -0800, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place toMaybe I should start driving south - I don't have a green card but
point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as >>>>>> accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you >>>>>> might like.
Of course, if you look like a Northern European and speak English
without a foreign accent ("foreign" possibly including the Northeast) >>>>>> and don't wave your green card in their faces they may never catch on. >>>>>
accent-wise could probably pass.
But then my daughter has lived in the UK for 10 years and no one would >>>>> ever confuse her with a Brit when she speaks.
(Nor physically despite the fact she is descended from seven different >>>>> European nationalities no further back than her great great
grandparents)
7!?! How is that even possible? ;)
Assuming no inbreeding, you have 16 great-great grandparents.
Its perfectly possible for them to come from 7 different
countries.
pt
Noooo.... in europe we care about the purity of our race!
We American mutts rejoice in our hybrid vigor.
pt
On 11/25/2024 4:59 AM, D wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 11/24/2024 4:08 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 23 Nov 2024, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 07:58:50 -0800, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
This seems to be a reasonable (but not optimal, perhaps) place to
point out that the very areas you are most attracted to may not be as >>>>>> accepting of "furriners" (and even less so of "immigrants") as you >>>>>> might like.
Of course, if you look like a Northern European and speak English
without a foreign accent ("foreign" possibly including the Northeast) >>>>>> and don't wave your green card in their faces they may never catch >>>>>> on.
Maybe I should start driving south - I don't have a green card but
accent-wise could probably pass.
But then my daughter has lived in the UK for 10 years and no one would >>>>> ever confuse her with a Brit when she speaks.
(Nor physically despite the fact she is descended from seven different >>>>> European nationalities no further back than her great great
grandparents)
7!?! How is that even possible? ;)
Assuming no inbreeding, you have 16 great-great grandparents.
Its perfectly possible for them to come from 7 different
countries.
pt
Noooo.... in europe we care about the purity of our race!
We American mutts rejoice in our hybrid vigor.
pt
On 11/23/2024 2:43 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:49:41 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Ahem, Western Australia wants a few words with you.Alaska is prettier. :P
And Quebec is larger than Alaska and you are less likely to be eaten
by a bear...
But its in CANADA!!! :P
On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 20:59:38 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/23/2024 2:43 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:49:41 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Ahem, Western Australia wants a few words with you.Alaska is prettier. :P
And Quebec is larger than Alaska and you are less likely to be eaten
by a bear...
But its in CANADA!!! :P
At least for now...
And Quebec is larger than Alaska and you are less likely to be eaten
by a bear...
But its in CANADA!!! :P
At least for now...
I heard that Trump invited Turdeau to make Canada a US state. I wonder if
he will accept the offer?
On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 14:10:06 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
And Quebec is larger than Alaska and you are less likely to be eaten >>>>> by a bear...
But its in CANADA!!! :P
At least for now...
I heard that Trump invited Turdeau to make Canada a US state. I wonder if
he will accept the offer?
Canadian newspapers assumed Trump was trolling him - which he probably
was
D wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:
D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:
Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving theWhy SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug
users on the street.
Parts of it, yes.
I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or
vagrants.
This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a
beating, and dumped them in the next county. Somebody else's problem. >>>>
problem! =)
So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is
illegal and hurts people you dislike.
Nope... the correct interpretation is that as long as I have to endure
government and having my money stolen in the form of taxes, I prefer
that it does something that aligns with my interests. Shipping drug
users somewhere
else would align with my interests, so there you are correct.
So violence to other people doesn't bother you, as long as it is in your interests.
Clearly, if there were no government, you and like-minded people would
hire some thugs to beat up the indigent and send them to other areas.
Because it aligns with your interests.
Like-minded people in those areas would also hire thugs to beast up the indigent and send them to your area. Eventually the thugs would realize that it would be less work just to beat you up and take your money. And you'd have a government again.
William Hyde
On 11/11/24 08:46, William Hyde wrote:
D wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:
D wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, William Hyde wrote:
Sounds like heaven! Police acting, doing something, and solving theWhy SF? I was there 8 years ago and found it dirty with many drug >>>>>>> users on the street.
Parts of it, yes.
I arrived in SF from a small city with no obvious drug users or
vagrants.
This was because the local police grabbed those people, gave them a >>>>>> beating, and dumped them in the next county. Somebody else's problem. >>>>>
problem! =)
So you are in fact in favour of government regulation, provided it is
illegal and hurts people you dislike.
Nope... the correct interpretation is that as long as I have to endure
government and having my money stolen in the form of taxes, I prefer
that it does something that aligns with my interests. Shipping drug
users somewhere
else would align with my interests, so there you are correct.
So violence to other people doesn't bother you, as long as it is in your
interests.
Clearly, if there were no government, you and like-minded people would
hire some thugs to beat up the indigent and send them to other areas.
Because it aligns with your interests.
Like-minded people in those areas would also hire thugs to beast up the
indigent and send them to your area. Eventually the thugs would realize
that it would be less work just to beat you up and take your money. And
you'd have a government again.
William Hyde
Perhaps Haiti would be the most suitable capitalist option for D?
Like-minded people in those areas would also hire thugs to beast up the
indigent and send them to your area. Eventually the thugs would realize
that it would be less work just to beat you up and take your money. And
you'd have a government again.
Perhaps Haiti would be the most suitable capitalist option for D?
In article <vsq7j0$184js$2@dont-email.me>, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 11/11/24 08:46, William Hyde wrote:
Like-minded people in those areas would also hire thugs to beast up the
indigent and send them to your area.?? Eventually the thugs would realize >>> that it would be less work just to beat you up and take your money.?? And >>> you'd have a government again.
Perhaps Haiti would be the most suitable capitalist option for D?
Yes, Haiti is a post-capitalist, post-fascist nation. A small number of
people pumped all the money out of the economy and left it without industry and with most of the famland destroyed. Most people were subsistance farmers but then were pushed by the government into growing cash crops for export
as quickly as possible. Once the topsoil was all gone, people could no longer
live as subsistence farmers and they all moved to the city where they didn't do so much better.
Haiti is one of the better warnings about what happens when a small number
of people run the government with the intention of getting wealthier. In
the seventies there were a lot of poor people and a few compounds of rich people... the rich people used helicopters to visit one another because they didn't want to spend money to build roads. Now all the money is gone and there aren't any roads. All the rich people moved to Florida.
--scott
On Sat, 5 Apr 2025, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Yes, Haiti is a post-capitalist, post-fascist nation. A small number of
Actually, that's incorrect. Haiti is a prime example of what happens when
you go from proto-socialism, and the leaders then decide to screw the
people.
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sat, 5 Apr 2025, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Yes, Haiti is a post-capitalist, post-fascist nation. A small number of
Actually, that's incorrect. Haiti is a prime example of what happens when
you go from proto-socialism, and the leaders then decide to screw the
people.
Explain, please. The government of the Revolution of 1946 did have
plenty of socialists in the coalition, but none of them survived when Magloire took over. And Magloire wasn't the problem, but he didn't
last long.
Leaders screwing the people is a pretty common problem, and it's why representative democracy is such a good thing. It's not sufficient to prevent that, but it's necessary.
--scott
Kludge wrote:
Explain, please. The government of the Revolution of 1946 did have
plenty of socialists in the coalition, but none of them survived when
Magloire took over. And Magloire wasn't the problem, but he didn't
last long.
There you go. I think you just explained it yourself. If you dig deep
enough in crisis countries surely you will find a socialist or two.
Leaders screwing the people is exactly what socialism and authoritarianism
is about. The only antidote to that is capitalism and the abolishing of
the public sector.
If not, the public sector grows like a cancer, and when it does, the >politicians soon become dictators and take over. Socialism turning the
people into slaves like it has always done.
On Sun, 6 Apr 2025, Scott Dorsey wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sat, 5 Apr 2025, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Actually, that's incorrect. Haiti is a prime example of what happens when >>> you go from proto-socialism, and the leaders then decide to screw the
Yes, Haiti is a post-capitalist, post-fascist nation. A small number of >>>
people.
Explain, please. The government of the Revolution of 1946 did have
plenty of socialists in the coalition, but none of them survived when
Magloire took over. And Magloire wasn't the problem, but he didn't
last long.
There you go. I think you just explained it yourself. If you dig deep
enough in crisis countries surely you will find a socialist or two.
Leaders screwing the people is a pretty common problem, and it's why
representative democracy is such a good thing. It's not sufficient to
prevent that, but it's necessary.
Leaders screwing the people is exactly what socialism and authoritarianism >is about. The only antidote to that is capitalism and the abolishing of
the public sector.
If not, the public sector grows like a cancer, and when it does, the >politicians soon become dictators and take over. Socialism turning the >people into slaves like it has always done.
This is a scientific fact.
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