William Hyde wrote:
snip
Vance was born to money, but the money vanished due to divorce and
prohibition. So he dropped out of school and took all kinds of tough
jobs from his mid-teens until he began to write.
A common theme in his books is that of a protagonist who starts life
comfortably, experiences disaster, and climbs his way back. Vance
lived it.
I think that JD, now VP, Vance has written only one book, Hill Billy
Elegy, which tells of his own life before his association with
billionaire Trump supporter Peter Thiel. It is an interesting read and I recommend it: 3 stars.
His mother was an alcoholic and opioid dependent prostitute when not
married. He had too many stepfathers to count, some of which married his mother but never for long. He was saved by his grandmother, who had
shifted from some hill billy state, (I don't remember which), to escape poverty to work in a steel factory in Ohio where his grandparents became financially comfortable but not rich. It was his once hill billy
grandmother who financed his education. After graduating from high
school, he had a cushy job as an unarmed public relations liar for the
US army in Iraq before completing Arts and Law degrees.
He had no male role models growing up and seems to have based his
behaviour imitating strong personalities beginning with his grandmother, continuing with a best friend from high school, the army. his law
professor, Peter Thiel, (who spent $15 million on Vance's senate
election campaign), and now Donald Trump.
There are some strange anomalies in his book. For example, I don't
recall him mentioning any non-white people though he is now married to
an Indian woman. In the book, he blamed poverty on laziness and cultural backwardness and not on economic inequality due to the shrinking steel industry in his hometown. Now as a Trump echo chamber, he blames poverty because the salt of the earth have been ignored by the (Democrat?)
political elite. He is also now associated with people and organisations funded by the Jewish Sackler brothers who are largely responsible for
opioid availability through the Purdue Company.
A better book is Demon Copperhead by Barbara Kingsolver which is about similar people, a USA version of David Copperfield.
William Hyde wrote:
snip
Vance was born to money, but the money vanished due to divorce and
prohibition. So he dropped out of school and took all kinds of tough
jobs from his mid-teens until he began to write.
A common theme in his books is that of a protagonist who starts life
comfortably, experiences disaster, and climbs his way back. Vance
lived it.
I think that JD, now VP, Vance has written only one book, Hill Billy
Elegy, which tells of his own life before his association with
billionaire Trump supporter Peter Thiel. It is an interesting read and I recommend it: 3 stars.
His mother was an alcoholic and opioid dependent prostitute when not
married. He had too many stepfathers to count, some of which married his mother but never for long. He was saved by his grandmother, who had
shifted from some hill billy state, (I don't remember which), to escape poverty to work in a steel factory in Ohio where his grandparents became financially comfortable but not rich. It was his once hill billy
grandmother who financed his education. After graduating from high
school, he had a cushy job as an unarmed public relations liar for the
US army in Iraq before completing Arts and Law degrees.
He had no male role models growing up and seems to have based his
behaviour imitating strong personalities beginning with his grandmother, continuing with a best friend from high school, the army. his law
professor, Peter Thiel, (who spent $15 million on Vance's senate
election campaign), and now Donald Trump.
There are some strange anomalies in his book. For example, I don't
recall him mentioning any non-white people though he is now married to
an Indian woman. In the book, he blamed poverty on laziness and cultural backwardness and not on economic inequality due to the shrinking steel industry in his hometown. Now as a Trump echo chamber, he blames poverty because the salt of the earth have been ignored by the (Democrat?)
political elite. He is also now associated with people and organisations funded by the Jewish Sackler brothers who are largely responsible for
opioid availability through the Purdue Company.
A better book is Demon Copperhead by Barbara Kingsolver which is about similar people, a USA version of David Copperfield.
Titus G wrote:
William Hyde wrote:
snip
Vance was born to money, but the money vanished due to divorce and
prohibition. So he dropped out of school and took all kinds of tough
jobs from his mid-teens until he began to write.
A common theme in his books is that of a protagonist who starts life
comfortably, experiences disaster, and climbs his way back. Vance
lived it.
I think that JD, now VP, Vance has written only one book, Hill Billy
Elegy, which tells of his own life before his association with
billionaire Trump supporter Peter Thiel. It is an interesting read and I
recommend it: 3 stars.
His mother was an alcoholic and opioid dependent prostitute when not
married. He had too many stepfathers to count, some of which married his
mother but never for long. He was saved by his grandmother, who had
shifted from some hill billy state, (I don't remember which), to escape
poverty to work in a steel factory in Ohio where his grandparents became
financially comfortable but not rich. It was his once hill billy
grandmother who financed his education. After graduating from high
school, he had a cushy job as an unarmed public relations liar for the
US army in Iraq before completing Arts and Law degrees.
He had no male role models growing up and seems to have based his
behaviour imitating strong personalities beginning with his grandmother,
continuing with a best friend from high school, the army. his law
professor, Peter Thiel, (who spent $15 million on Vance's senate
election campaign), and now Donald Trump.
There are some strange anomalies in his book. For example, I don't
recall him mentioning any non-white people though he is now married to
an Indian woman. In the book, he blamed poverty on laziness and cultural
backwardness and not on economic inequality due to the shrinking steel
industry in his hometown. Now as a Trump echo chamber, he blames poverty
because the salt of the earth have been ignored by the (Democrat?)
political elite. He is also now associated with people and organisations
funded by the Jewish Sackler brothers who are largely responsible for
opioid availability through the Purdue Company.
A better book is Demon Copperhead by Barbara Kingsolver which is about
similar people, a USA version of David Copperfield.
Purdue Pharma's founder Arthur Sackler along with his brothers
grew up in Brooklyn during the Depression as the child of Jewish
immigrants from Galicia and Poland. His genius lay not so much in
the chemistry of the brain as in the chemistry of modern
advertising. "In 1997, Arthur was posthumously inducted into the
Medical Advertising Hall of Fame, and a citation praised his
achievement in 'bringing the full power of advertising and
promotion to pharmaceutical marketing.'" Sackler was, in other
words, a drug dealer who knew how to change the system to
accommodate what was previously known as either unethical or
illegal activity. In this, he was no different from other Jews
of his generation-like Meyer Lansky or Moe Dalitz, for instance-
who accomplished the same feat by bringing about the
decriminalization of gambling and usury. The Sackler family
epitomizes in our day the perfect marriage of science and
capitalism which Hariri celebrates in Sapiens. Like the English
involvement in the opium trade in the 19th century, Arthur Sackler
provided the imperial project with practical knowledge, ideological
justification, and pharmaceutical gadgets which turned Americans
into Harari's idea of the ideal citizen, which is to say, into a
mass of drugged out zombies who made the Jews rich by becoming their
docile chemical slaves. Without the collaboration of the Jewish
pharmaceutical industry, "it is highly questionable whether Europeans
[i.e., the Anglo-American empire] could have conquered the world."
Yuval Noah Harari, Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind (New York:
HarperCollins, 2015)
JEWISH FABLES (Jones)
# # #
In the clip below, Tucker Carlson calls out Pompeo as a sinister criminal
who attempted to murder Julian Assange. Then Carlson goes on to question
how in spite this behavior, Republicans treat Pompeo as a pillar of the >party.
<https://x.com/LegendaryEnergy/status/1854409482425753845>
Former Director of the CIA, Catholic Colby made a lot of Deep State
enemies during the Church Committee hearings. There's a Conspiracy (eg >Reality) Theory about how Colby was about to expose an Omaha pedophilia
ring when he mysteriously met his demise while canoeing back East.
Dude, JD Vance was a Marine Corps officer, not Army. And his
grandfather just lived down the street during his childhood with
extensive contact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JD_Vance
And Vance is the VP Elect. He will be sworn in on Jan 20, 2025.
Lynn
On 11/9/2024 3:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
Dude, JD Vance was a Marine Corps officer, not Army. And his
grandfather just lived down the street during his childhood with
extensive contact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JD_Vance
And Vance is the VP Elect. He will be sworn in on Jan 20, 2025.
Lynn
To slightly correct the correction, he was a non-commissioned office, a corporal.
On 11/9/2024 3:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
Dude, JD Vance was a Marine Corps officer, not Army. And his
grandfather just lived down the street during his childhood with
extensive contact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JD_Vance
And Vance is the VP Elect. He will be sworn in on Jan 20, 2025.
Lynn
To slightly correct the correction, he was a non-commissioned office, a corporal.
On 10/11/24 15:06, Jay E. Morris wrote:
On 11/9/2024 3:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
Dude, JD Vance was a Marine Corps officer, not Army. And his
grandfather just lived down the street during his childhood with
extensive contact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JD_Vance
I am not familiar with the different branches of your military. The
point was that he had a cushy desk job as a spin doctor, was never in
danger and never shook a stick at the enemy.
Jay E. Morris wrote:
Lynn McGuire wrote:
Dude, JD Vance was a Marine Corps officer, not Army. And his
grandfather just lived down the street during his childhood with
extensive contact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JD_Vance
And Vance is the VP Elect. He will be sworn in on Jan 20, 2025.
Lynn
To slightly correct the correction, he was a non-commissioned office, a
corporal.
Can anyone name a prominent authoritatian leader who was a corporal in WW ? Spinrad I think it was rewrote his life and made
him a SF writer.
I will wait for your well informed replies.
On 11/9/2024 12:19 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 16:15:37 -0000 (UTC), Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
Former Director of the CIA, Catholic Colby made a lot of Deep State
enemies during the Church Committee hearings. There's a Conspiracy (eg
Reality) Theory about how Colby was about to expose an Omaha pedophilia
ring when he mysteriously met his demise while canoeing back East.
Back in the 80s, one of the "banks" I had money in went belly-up in
Lincoln, NE.
For news, I ended up with a /very/ right-wing newsletter. This did
cover what I was interested in, but it also pursued other theories.
One of which was, indeed, an Omaha pedophile ring (of rich Democrats).
I have often wondered if pursuing this fantasy caused the conspiracy
to be expanded as each level of government looked into it and found
(surprise, surprise) -- nothing. Until we had a guy firing into the
ceiling of a pizza parlor in Florida because he was convinced it was
part of a world-wide pedophile ring (of rich Democrats).
If so, then from a little acorn a mighty oak did grow indeed. "Mighty"
here meaning "very large and elaborate".
You're thinking of the Comet Ping-Pong attack in Washington DC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory
On 31/10/24 06:44, William Hyde wrote:
snip
Vance was born to money, but the money vanished due to divorce and
prohibition. So he dropped out of school and took all kinds of tough
jobs from his mid-teens until he began to write.
A common theme in his books is that of a protagonist who starts life
comfortably, experiences disaster, and climbs his way back. Vance
lived it.
I think that JD, now VP, Vance has written only one book, Hill Billy
Elegy, which tells of his own life before his association with
billionaire Trump supporter Peter Thiel. It is an interesting read and I >recommend it: 3 stars.
On 10/11/24 15:06, Jay E. Morris wrote:
On 11/9/2024 3:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
Dude, JD Vance was a Marine Corps officer, not Army. And his
grandfather just lived down the street during his childhood with
extensive contact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JD_Vance
I am not familiar with the different branches of your military. The
point was that he had a cushy desk job as a spin doctor, was never in
danger and never shook a stick at the enemy.
I think Wikipedia is brilliant but quick searches for "extensive",
"contact" and "grandfather" on that page were unsuccessful so in this >instance I shall rely on what Vance himself said in his book; that his >grandfather was a violent pig of an alcoholic and that his major
influence and saviour was his equally violent but sober grandmother.
And Vance is the VP Elect. He will be sworn in on Jan 20, 2025.
Lynn
To slightly correct the correction, he was a non-commissioned office, a
corporal.
If he was, in fact, a clerk and /claimed/ to be anything else, then
that is a problem. Clerks are important to the overall functioning of
a military unit. Just not as important as the sharp end which is,
after all, the reason the unit exists.
Can anyone name a prominent authoritatian leader who was a corporal in
WW ? Spinrad I think it was rewrote his life and made
him a SF writer.
On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 17:21:36 +1300, Titus G<noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/11/24 15:06, Jay E. Morris wrote:This may help explain things a bit: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-commissioned_officer] in general,
On 11/9/2024 3:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:I am not familiar with the different branches of your military. The
Dude, JD Vance was a Marine Corps officer, not Army. And his
grandfather just lived down the street during his childhood with
extensive contact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JD_Vance
point was that he had a cushy desk job as a spin doctor, was never in
danger and never shook a stick at the enemy.
and
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-commissioned_officer#United_States]
in particular.
If he was, in fact, a clerk and/claimed/ to be anything else, then
that is a problem. Clerks are important to the overall functioning of
a military unit. Just not as important as the sharp end which is,
after all, the reason the unit exists.
Paul S Person wrote:
Don wrote:
Former Director of the CIA, Catholic Colby made a lot of Deep State
enemies during the Church Committee hearings. There's a Conspiracy (eg
Reality) Theory about how Colby was about to expose an Omaha pedophilia
ring when he mysteriously met his demise while canoeing back East.
Back in the 80s, one of the "banks" I had money in went belly-up in
Lincoln, NE.
For news, I ended up with a /very/ right-wing newsletter. This did
cover what I was interested in, but it also pursued other theories.
One of which was, indeed, an Omaha pedophile ring (of rich Democrats).
I have often wondered if pursuing this fantasy caused the conspiracy
to be expanded as each level of government looked into it and found
(surprise, surprise) -- nothing. Until we had a guy firing into the
ceiling of a pizza parlor in Florida because he was convinced it was
part of a world-wide pedophile ring (of rich Democrats).
If so, then from a little acorn a mighty oak did grow indeed. "Mighty"
here meaning "very large and elaborate".
You're thinking of the Comet Ping-Pong attack in Washington DC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory
On 11/9/2024 8:06 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
On 11/9/2024 3:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
Dude, JD Vance was a Marine Corps officer, not Army. And his
grandfather just lived down the street during his childhood with
extensive contact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JD_Vance
And Vance is the VP Elect. He will be sworn in on Jan 20, 2025.
Lynn
To slightly correct the correction, he was a non-commissioned office,
a corporal.
BTW, a corporal in the US Marine Corps is equivalent to a sergeant in
the US Army.
Lynn
On 11/9/2024 8:06 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
On 11/9/2024 3:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
Dude, JD Vance was a Marine Corps officer, not Army. And his
grandfather just lived down the street during his childhood with
extensive contact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JD_Vance
And Vance is the VP Elect. He will be sworn in on Jan 20, 2025.
Lynn
To slightly correct the correction, he was a non-commissioned office, a
corporal.
BTW, a corporal in the US Marine Corps is equivalent to a sergeant in
the US Army.
I think that JD, now VP, Vance has written only one book, Hill Billy
Elegy, which tells of his own life before his association with
billionaire Trump supporter Peter Thiel. It is an interesting read and I >>recommend it: 3 stars.
I don't actually recommend it (I don't like films about hillbilly drug >addicts), but /Hillbilly Elegy/ was made into a movie which might be
shorter to watch than the book would be to read, and should be just as >depressing.
On 11/11/2024 6:36 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
On 11/11/2024 5:20 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 11/9/2024 8:06 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
On 11/9/2024 3:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
Dude, JD Vance was a Marine Corps officer, not Army. And his
grandfather just lived down the street during his childhood with
extensive contact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JD_Vance
And Vance is the VP Elect. He will be sworn in on Jan 20, 2025.
Lynn
To slightly correct the correction, he was a non-commissioned
office, a corporal.
BTW, a corporal in the US Marine Corps is equivalent to a sergeant in
the US Army.
Lynn
Sorry, not.
     Marines                    Army
E-1 Private                    Private
E-2 Private First Class        Private
E-3 Lance Corporal             Private First Class
E-4 Corporal                   Corporal (or Specialist 4, Non-NCO)
E-5 Sergeant                   Sergeant
E-6 Staff Sergeant             Staff Sergeant
E-7 Gunnery Sergeant           Sergeant First Class
E-8 Master Sergeant            Master Sergeant
E-9 Master Gunnery Sergeant    Sergeant Major
Note, E-8 in both when the senior NCO in a company are First Sergeant,
E-9 when senior NCO in a battalion are Sergeant Major in Marines and
Command Sergeant Major in the Army.
Sorry, going with my son who spent 8 years in the USMC and got out as a Corporal.
Lynn
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 11/9/2024 8:06 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
On 11/9/2024 3:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
Dude, JD Vance was a Marine Corps officer, not Army. And his
grandfather just lived down the street during his childhood with
extensive contact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JD_Vance
And Vance is the VP Elect. He will be sworn in on Jan 20, 2025.
Lynn
To slightly correct the correction, he was a non-commissioned office, a
corporal.
BTW, a corporal in the US Marine Corps is equivalent to a sergeant in
the US Army.
That is not my understanding.
An army Private First class (E-3) is a Lance Corporal in the Corp.
An Army Corporal (E-4) is a Corporal in the Corp.
An Army Sergeant (E-5) is a Sergeant in the Corp.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:United_States_uniformed_services_comparative_ranks
Vance was born to money, but the money vanished due to divorce and prohibition. So he dropped out of school and took all kinds of tough
jobs from his mid-teens until he began to write.
A common theme in his books is that of a protagonist who starts life comfortably, experiences disaster, and climbs his way back. Vance
lived it.
On 11/11/2024 6:36 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
On 11/11/2024 5:20 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 11/9/2024 8:06 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
On 11/9/2024 3:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
Dude, JD Vance was a Marine Corps officer, not Army. And his
grandfather just lived down the street during his childhood with
extensive contact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JD_Vance
And Vance is the VP Elect. He will be sworn in on Jan 20, 2025.
Lynn
To slightly correct the correction, he was a non-commissioned office,
a corporal.
BTW, a corporal in the US Marine Corps is equivalent to a sergeant in
the US Army.
Lynn
Sorry, not.
    Marines                    Army
E-1 Private                    Private
E-2 Private First Class        Private
E-3 Lance Corporal             Private First Class
E-4 Corporal                   Corporal (or Specialist 4, Non-NCO)
E-5 Sergeant                   Sergeant
E-6 Staff Sergeant             Staff Sergeant
E-7 Gunnery Sergeant           Sergeant First Class
E-8 Master Sergeant            Master Sergeant
E-9 Master Gunnery Sergeant    Sergeant Major
Note, E-8 in both when the senior NCO in a company are First Sergeant,
E-9 when senior NCO in a battalion are Sergeant Major in Marines and
Command Sergeant Major in the Army.
Sorry, going with my son who spent 8 years in the USMC and got out as a >Corporal.
On 11/11/2024 6:42 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 11/11/2024 6:36 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
On 11/11/2024 5:20 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 11/9/2024 8:06 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
On 11/9/2024 3:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
Dude, JD Vance was a Marine Corps officer, not Army. And his
grandfather just lived down the street during his childhood with
extensive contact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JD_Vance
And Vance is the VP Elect. He will be sworn in on Jan 20, 2025.
Lynn
To slightly correct the correction, he was a non-commissioned
office, a corporal.
BTW, a corporal in the US Marine Corps is equivalent to a sergeant in >>>> the US Army.
Lynn
Sorry, not.
Marines Army
E-1 Private Private
E-2 Private First Class Private
E-3 Lance Corporal Private First Class
E-4 Corporal Corporal (or Specialist 4, Non-NCO)
E-5 Sergeant Sergeant
E-6 Staff Sergeant Staff Sergeant
E-7 Gunnery Sergeant Sergeant First Class
E-8 Master Sergeant Master Sergeant
E-9 Master Gunnery Sergeant Sergeant Major
Note, E-8 in both when the senior NCO in a company are First Sergeant,
E-9 when senior NCO in a battalion are Sergeant Major in Marines and
Command Sergeant Major in the Army.
Sorry, going with my son who spent 8 years in the USMC and got out as a
Corporal.
Lynn
Not unusual for troops not to know unless a person has interaction with >other services. While in did a little training with Marines and their
ranks are close enough to Army that it was easy to learn. 20 years as >contractor with the Air Force and I still occasionally screwed up the
senior ranks. Navy? Forget it.
On 2024-11-12, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 11/9/2024 8:06 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
On 11/9/2024 3:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
Dude, JD Vance was a Marine Corps officer, not Army. And his
grandfather just lived down the street during his childhood with
extensive contact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JD_Vance
And Vance is the VP Elect. He will be sworn in on Jan 20, 2025.
Lynn
To slightly correct the correction, he was a non-commissioned office, a >>>> corporal.
BTW, a corporal in the US Marine Corps is equivalent to a sergeant in >>>the US Army.
That is not my understanding.
An army Private First class (E-3) is a Lance Corporal in the Corp.
An Army Corporal (E-4) is a Corporal in the Corp.
An Army Sergeant (E-5) is a Sergeant in the Corp.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:United_States_uniformed_services_comparative_ranks
It's primarily a difference in the goals and philosophies of the two
branches (that's why they're different after all!).
The operations and training of Marines is geared at smaller tactical >operations while the Army is concerned with large numbers of troops.
The Marines want experienced troops in their small groups; promotions
in the Marines are much slower than in the Army.
A long-term Corporal in the Marines typically has as much training as
an Army Sergeant of the same vintage. It just will be more tactical
training rather than training on commanding and working with other
troops like the Army Sergeant. The Army needs to have large numbers
of troops work together so it emphasizes development of the officer >hierarchy. The Marines don't.
So, while I totally disagree with Vance about just about everything
and I don't have any respect for his fairly recent radical change in the Trump direction, I have a lot of respect for his service. He volunteered,
he wasn't drafted, and he volunteered into a service that can put one
into the worst possible situations with no notice.
Not unusual for troops not to know unless a person has interaction with
other services. While in did a little training with Marines and their
ranks are close enough to Army that it was easy to learn. 20 years as >contractor with the Air Force and I still occasionally screwed up the
senior ranks. Navy? Forget it.
I have a feeling that when my public library comes through with
Hillbilly Elegy I'll spend less time reading it than I did waiting for
it. Last week they sent me an e-mail saying I was now #2 in queue.
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 17:00:42 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
I have a feeling that when my public library comes through with
Hillbilly Elegy I'll spend less time reading it than I did waiting for
it. Last week they sent me an e-mail saying I was now #2 in queue.
I finally got it and have now finished it and while definitely not SF >considered it worth my while and generally well written - which is not >unexpected given Vance is a grad from a top law school where being
able to write a good brief is pretty much expected.
I was surprised by the role that Amy Chua (author of the Ride of the
Dragon Mother - and a law school prof at Yale) played in Vance's
courtship of his wife (who one would definitely not expected to have
married a hillbilly!) No doubt we'll all know all about her by this
time next year since she also is a Yale Law graduate.
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