• Re: Highlights and Lowlights - September-October 2024

    From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to tnusenet17@gmail.com on Mon Nov 11 16:57:25 2024
    In article <vgt8vs$11om5$1@dont-email.me>,
    Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com> wrote:
    Highlights and Lowlights - September-October 2024

    Books are rated using a very primitive rating system:
    “+” are good, and more “+” are better
    “-” are not good, and more “-” are worse

    I’m happy to answer questions about anything here.

    My annual dip in fall reading done dipped real good - just five here
    over the course of two months.

    Highlights - all five were fine

    Lowlights - none

    October
    ( +++ ) The Spiral Labyrinth - Hughes [Hengis Hapthorne]
    ( +++ ) Fair Trade - Lee & Miller [Liaden #24]
    ( +++ ) Cast in Wisdom - Sagara [Elantra #15]
    ( ++ 1/2) The Stainless Steel Rat’s Revenge - Harrison [Stainless Steel
    Rat #2]

    September
    ( +++ ) The Stainless Steel Rat - Harrison [Stainless Steel Rat #1]

    Now Reading:
    Long work - The Stainless Steel Rat Saves the World - Harrison
    Collection - The Best Time Travel Stories Of All Time ed. by Malzberg

    ===========================================
    September-October 2024
    ( +++ ) The Spiral Labyrinth - Hughes [Hengis Hapthorne]
    This one picks up immediately after “Majestrum”, and we see Hapthorne >pulled forward through time into the era where magic and will hold sway,
    and Hapthorne’s logic and reasoning are mythic things of the past that
    seem to have no effect. His previously internal “intuitional self” has >become a real person who has significant skills in this era, though he
    is new to them. Hapthorne’s AI assistant has also become sentient, >manifesting as a member of a highly prized and rare species. Hapthorne
    is desperate to get back to his home and time, AND deal with the entity
    that pulled him forward, as they have bad intentions for the entire
    universe.

    ( +++ ) Fair Trade - Lee & Miller [Liaden #24]
    This is a Jethri Gobelyn book, picking up immediately after “Trade >Secret”. As such it occurs a hella long time ago in the Liaden Universe >(i.e. long before Val Con, Miri, etc), and picks up as Jethri begins his
    time on a new ship with new responsibilities. The overall plot driver is
    a gigantic meeting about a civilization-wide proposal (written by Jethri
    and his late father) concerning trade between planets, and it’s pretty
    easy to make the connections with this proposal and the way the
    “current” Liaden Universe is set. It finishes up in a mildly incomplete >spot, where I fully expect “Trade Lanes” to address. All good stuff, as >you’d expect Liaden stuff to be.

    ( +++ ) Cast in Wisdom - Sagara [Elantra #15]
    Nice that this one actually doesn’t require Kaylin to save the world. >It’s focused almost entirely on Kaylin and many companions investigating >the border zones between the fiefs, trying to figure out what the heck
    is going on in these strange gray areas. We learn a lot, of course, and
    some major things happen to a few characters. These are always fun
    reads, and I’ll surely keep moving forward.

    ( ++ 1/2) The Stainless Steel Rat’s Revenge - Harrison [Stainless Steel
    Rat #2]
    ( +++ ) The Stainless Steel Rat - Harrison [Stainless Steel Rat #1]
    I was surprised to discover I hadn’t read any novels by Harrison, and I >decided to remedy that by reading a 3-in-1 collection of The Stainless
    Steel Rat. It’s neat what Harrison points out, alludes to, mentions,
    etc. He writes in a smooth voice and with humor, both obvious and wry.
    As most (all?) of you know, The Stainless Steel Rat is “Slippery” Jim >DiGriz, a master thief in a far future universe where thieving is almost >impossible to do. He makes mistakes, and gets thwarted occasionally, but >eventually comes out on top. By the end of the first one, he has been >co-opted into joining what amounts to a space police force as a special >investigator. These first two (and the third I’m in the middle of) see
    him on dangerous missions where he uses his thieving and planning skills
    to try to thwart others. These were really well written, and I’ll be >reading more Harrison as I move forward.

    Now Reading:
    Long work - The Stainless Steel Rat Saves the World - Harrison
    Collection - The Best Time Travel Stories Of All Time ed. by Malzberg

    Tony

    Thanks, as usual!

    Still way behind on Liad & Elantra...

    I believe I read all the SSR books at one time but I cannot now
    recall any specifics beyond the premise. Perhaps time for another
    go. As far as Harrison, I recall liking the "Deathword" books,
    "Technicolor Time Machine" (though admittedly, it's a one joke
    premise) & "Star Smashers Of the Galaxy Rangers". As we discussed
    recently here, I read that when I was about 13, and when I looked
    at "Bill The Galactic Hero" it seemed very heavy handed to me and
    I didn't finish it. I'm a bit scared I would think the same about
    Smashers now. Of his late works, I liked the King of the North
    series (or whatever it was called) though I suspect a lot of it was
    his co-author, and it fell a bit off the rails at the end.
    --
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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to tnusenet17@gmail.com on Thu Nov 14 03:43:06 2024
    In article <vh3j06$2fl4m$1@dont-email.me>,
    Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 11/11/24 11:57 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <vgt8vs$11om5$1@dont-email.me>,
    Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com> wrote:
    Highlights and Lowlights - September-October 2024

    Books are rated using a very primitive rating system:
    “+” are good, and more “+” are better
    “-” are not good, and more “-” are worse

    I’m happy to answer questions about anything here.

    My annual dip in fall reading done dipped real good - just five here
    over the course of two months.

    Highlights - all five were fine

    Lowlights - none

    October
    ( +++ ) The Spiral Labyrinth - Hughes [Hengis Hapthorne]
    ( +++ ) Fair Trade - Lee & Miller [Liaden #24]
    ( +++ ) Cast in Wisdom - Sagara [Elantra #15]
    ( ++ 1/2) The Stainless Steel Rat’s Revenge - Harrison [Stainless Steel >>> Rat #2]

    September
    ( +++ ) The Stainless Steel Rat - Harrison [Stainless Steel Rat #1]

    Now Reading:
    Long work - The Stainless Steel Rat Saves the World - Harrison
    Collection - The Best Time Travel Stories Of All Time ed. by Malzberg

    ===========================================
    September-October 2024
    ( +++ ) The Spiral Labyrinth - Hughes [Hengis Hapthorne]
    This one picks up immediately after “Majestrum”, and we see Hapthorne >>> pulled forward through time into the era where magic and will hold sway, >>> and Hapthorne’s logic and reasoning are mythic things of the past that >>> seem to have no effect. His previously internal “intuitional self” has >>> become a real person who has significant skills in this era, though he
    is new to them. Hapthorne’s AI assistant has also become sentient,
    manifesting as a member of a highly prized and rare species. Hapthorne
    is desperate to get back to his home and time, AND deal with the entity
    that pulled him forward, as they have bad intentions for the entire
    universe.

    ( +++ ) Fair Trade - Lee & Miller [Liaden #24]
    This is a Jethri Gobelyn book, picking up immediately after “Trade
    Secret”. As such it occurs a hella long time ago in the Liaden Universe >>> (i.e. long before Val Con, Miri, etc), and picks up as Jethri begins his >>> time on a new ship with new responsibilities. The overall plot driver is >>> a gigantic meeting about a civilization-wide proposal (written by Jethri >>> and his late father) concerning trade between planets, and it’s pretty >>> easy to make the connections with this proposal and the way the
    “current” Liaden Universe is set. It finishes up in a mildly incomplete >>> spot, where I fully expect “Trade Lanes” to address. All good stuff, as >>> you’d expect Liaden stuff to be.

    ( +++ ) Cast in Wisdom - Sagara [Elantra #15]
    Nice that this one actually doesn’t require Kaylin to save the world.
    It’s focused almost entirely on Kaylin and many companions investigating >>> the border zones between the fiefs, trying to figure out what the heck
    is going on in these strange gray areas. We learn a lot, of course, and
    some major things happen to a few characters. These are always fun
    reads, and I’ll surely keep moving forward.

    ( ++ 1/2) The Stainless Steel Rat’s Revenge - Harrison [Stainless Steel >>> Rat #2]
    ( +++ ) The Stainless Steel Rat - Harrison [Stainless Steel Rat #1]
    I was surprised to discover I hadn’t read any novels by Harrison, and I >>> decided to remedy that by reading a 3-in-1 collection of The Stainless
    Steel Rat. It’s neat what Harrison points out, alludes to, mentions,
    etc. He writes in a smooth voice and with humor, both obvious and wry.
    As most (all?) of you know, The Stainless Steel Rat is “Slippery” Jim >>> DiGriz, a master thief in a far future universe where thieving is almost >>> impossible to do. He makes mistakes, and gets thwarted occasionally, but >>> eventually comes out on top. By the end of the first one, he has been
    co-opted into joining what amounts to a space police force as a special
    investigator. These first two (and the third I’m in the middle of) see >>> him on dangerous missions where he uses his thieving and planning skills >>> to try to thwart others. These were really well written, and I’ll be
    reading more Harrison as I move forward.

    Now Reading:
    Long work - The Stainless Steel Rat Saves the World - Harrison
    Collection - The Best Time Travel Stories Of All Time ed. by Malzberg

    Tony

    Thanks, as usual!

    Still way behind on Liad & Elantra...

    I believe I read all the SSR books at one time but I cannot now
    recall any specifics beyond the premise. Perhaps time for another
    go. As far as Harrison, I recall liking the "Deathword" books,
    "Technicolor Time Machine" (though admittedly, it's a one joke
    premise) & "Star Smashers Of the Galaxy Rangers". As we discussed
    recently here, I read that when I was about 13, and when I looked
    at "Bill The Galactic Hero" it seemed very heavy handed to me and
    I didn't finish it. I'm a bit scared I would think the same about
    Smashers now. Of his late works, I liked the King of the North
    series (or whatever it was called) though I suspect a lot of it was
    his co-author, and it fell a bit off the rails at the end.

    Interesting! I have the Deathworld trilogy, and Star Smashers... and
    Bill... and I was thinking of doing Deathworld next. I'd never even
    heard of the "King..." books. If I'm guessing right, isfdb calls it "The >Hammer and the Cross".

    Tony

    Yes, "The Hammer & The Cross" would be it. It's an alternate history
    where Norse paganism survives alongside Christianity with England united
    with the nordic countries for a while and one guy who is cutting a
    swathe across the setting and inventing the scientific method as well.
    There are also distinct fantasy elements as the Norse gods are real to
    some (nebulous) extent and the Holy Grail (which is actually a ladder)
    is also involved.
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Ahasuerus@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 17 19:32:41 2024
    On 11/11/2024 11:57 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    [snip]
    [re: The Stainless Steel Rat books and Harry Harrison]
    I believe I read all the SSR books at one time but I cannot now
    recall any specifics beyond the premise. Perhaps time for another
    go.

    I loved the first book (1961) and liked the next two (1970-1972). I
    thought that the series began to deteriorate around book 4 (1978).

    As far as Harrison, I recall liking the "Deathword" books,

    The first book was very nice. The two sequels were not as good, but
    still readable.

    "Technicolor Time Machine" (though admittedly, it's a one joke
    premise) & "Star Smashers Of the Galaxy Rangers". As we discussed
    recently here, I read that when I was about 13, and when I looked
    at "Bill The Galactic Hero" it seemed very heavy handed to me and
    I didn't finish it. I'm a bit scared I would think the same about
    Smashers now. Of his late works, I liked the King of the North
    series (or whatever it was called) though I suspect a lot of it was
    his co-author, and it fell a bit off the rails at the end.

    FWIW, I thought that _Star Smashers of the Galaxy Rangers_ (1973) was
    even more heavy-handed than _Bill the Galactic Hero_ (1965), but it's
    worth noting that I read _Bill the Galactic Hero_ first. It's possible
    that it was a case of:

    Are two types of jokes. One sort goes on being funny forever.
    Other sort is funny once. Second time it's dull.

    I liked _The Technicolor Time Machine_ (1967) a lot more even though it
    was, as you said, a one joke book. (In retrospect, it may have been
    inspired by G. C. Edmondson's _The Ship That Sailed the Time Stream_
    (1965).)

    Scanning the rest of Harrison's output (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?28), my recollections are as follows:

    1. _Planet of the Damned_ (1962). A passable adventure, but not in the
    same league as the first Deathworld novel.

    2. _Make Room! Make Room!_ (1966). No introductions are needed since it
    was filmed as _Soylent Green_ in 1973

    3. _Captive Universe_ (1969). A decent take on Heinlein's _Orphans of
    the Sky_.

    4. The _Eden_ trilogy (1984-1988). A dinosaurs-vs-humanoids alternative history. Forgettable writing/characterization, but possibly Harrison's
    most ambitious world-building effort.

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 23 09:01:52 2024
    On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 15:47:53 -0500, Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 11/17/24 7:32 PM, Ahasuerus wrote:
    On 11/11/2024 11:57 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    [snip]
    [re: The Stainless Steel Rat books and Harry Harrison]
    I believe I read all the SSR books at one time but I cannot now
    recall any specifics beyond the premise. Perhaps time for another
    go.

    I loved the first book (1961) and liked the next two (1970-1972). I
    thought that the series began to deteriorate around book 4 (1978).

    Thanks - that's good to know, and is in line with a few other things
    I've seen as well. I enjoyed the first three, but to me, the third was a
    bit of a step down from the first two.

    SPI, in its short-lived /Ares Magazine/, published /The Return of the
    Stainless Steel Rat/, a board game [https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/3531/the-return-of-the-stainless-steel-rat].

    Although confirming this online proved difficult, my recollection is
    that Harrison also wrote a short story that appeared in the magazine,
    about the same situation as the game.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Robert Woodward@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Sat Nov 23 09:53:33 2024
    In article <8p14kjl4nb5jcv5fqudbns65eba8mnvcdq@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 15:47:53 -0500, Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 11/17/24 7:32 PM, Ahasuerus wrote:
    On 11/11/2024 11:57 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    [snip]
    [re: The Stainless Steel Rat books and Harry Harrison]
    I believe I read all the SSR books at one time but I cannot now
    recall any specifics beyond the premise. Perhaps time for another
    go.

    I loved the first book (1961) and liked the next two (1970-1972). I
    thought that the series began to deteriorate around book 4 (1978).

    Thanks - that's good to know, and is in line with a few other things
    I've seen as well. I enjoyed the first three, but to me, the third was a >bit of a step down from the first two.

    SPI, in its short-lived /Ares Magazine/, published /The Return of the Stainless Steel Rat/, a board game [https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/3531/the-return-of-the-stainless-steel-ra
    t].

    Although confirming this online proved difficult, my recollection is
    that Harrison also wrote a short story that appeared in the magazine,
    about the same situation as the game.

    While a brief search failed to find my issues of _Ares_, I did find the
    ISFDB page for that issue, <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?411709>
    (I used the "Magazine Directory" link in the "Other Pages" box on the
    home page). BTW, that is the only appearance of that short story.

    --
    "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. -----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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  • From Default User@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Sun Nov 24 04:04:16 2024
    Paul S Person wrote:

    SPI, in its short-lived /Ares Magazine/, published /The Return of the Stainless Steel Rat/, a board game

    Where I am at this moment, the SPI Starforce Trilogy game set is within
    4 or 5 feet of me. I am in the (very slow) process of moving from a
    house to the Fancy New Apartment. I brought the set with me and it
    resides in the closet of the bedroom I am using as an office. So many
    things will not make the journey. I have had it since the mid-70s.


    Brian

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to robertaw@drizzle.com on Sun Nov 24 08:19:18 2024
    On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 09:53:33 -0800, Robert Woodward
    <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:

    In article <8p14kjl4nb5jcv5fqudbns65eba8mnvcdq@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 15:47:53 -0500, Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 11/17/24 7:32 PM, Ahasuerus wrote:
    On 11/11/2024 11:57 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    [snip]
    [re: The Stainless Steel Rat books and Harry Harrison]
    I believe I read all the SSR books at one time but I cannot now
    recall any specifics beyond the premise. Perhaps time for another
    go.

    I loved the first book (1961) and liked the next two (1970-1972). I
    thought that the series began to deteriorate around book 4 (1978).

    Thanks - that's good to know, and is in line with a few other things
    I've seen as well. I enjoyed the first three, but to me, the third was a >> >bit of a step down from the first two.

    SPI, in its short-lived /Ares Magazine/, published /The Return of the
    Stainless Steel Rat/, a board game
    [https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/3531/the-return-of-the-stainless-steel-ra
    t].

    Although confirming this online proved difficult, my recollection is
    that Harrison also wrote a short story that appeared in the magazine,
    about the same situation as the game.

    While a brief search failed to find my issues of _Ares_, I did find the >ISFDB page for that issue, <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?411709>
    (I used the "Magazine Directory" link in the "Other Pages" box on the
    home page). BTW, that is the only appearance of that short story.

    I'm sure I have my copy (of both magazine and game, separately) around
    here /somewhere/, but I didn't even try to find it because I knew it
    would be a long and arduous endeaver.

    But thanks for the confirmation. The rights probably went into limbo
    when SPI was taken over and/or the magazine was scrubbed. The people
    behind DG acquired MOVES and S&T and a bunch of classic SPI games. If
    the deal included Ares, then DG might hold the rights to the short
    story.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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