• A YASID that was not Answered

    From Robert Woodward@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 7 10:33:17 2024
    I believe that I first posted this about 2 decades ago (thus recent was
    then):

    "The recent discussions of parallel worlds reminded me of a book (I
    think it was a novel rather than a story in an anthology) that I read
    sometime in the 60s. This book had time travelers who manipulated time
    by changing events in the past (and thus generate a new timeline). The
    book also had a character (non-time traveller) who remembered the erased timelines (IIRC, he, on occasion, couldn't find books he remembered
    reading because they had been written in the erased timeline and not the
    new one). I also remember that the last time manipulation that the time travelers performed in the book erased a time line where that character
    had been murdered. In the new one, he was still alive and he did
    remember being killed. Also, it is not Laumer's _The Great Time Machine
    Hoax_ (or _Dinosaur Beach_), Brunner's _Times Without Number_, one of
    Poul Anderson's Time Patrol stories (nor _Corridors of Time_), or
    Asimov's _The End of Eternity_."

    --
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    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. ‹-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to robertaw@drizzle.com on Thu Nov 7 21:00:25 2024
    In article <robertaw-3760E9.10331607112024@news.individual.net>,
    Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
    I believe that I first posted this about 2 decades ago (thus recent was >then):

    "The recent discussions of parallel worlds reminded me of a book (I
    think it was a novel rather than a story in an anthology) that I read >sometime in the 60s. This book had time travelers who manipulated time
    by changing events in the past (and thus generate a new timeline). The
    book also had a character (non-time traveller) who remembered the erased >timelines (IIRC, he, on occasion, couldn't find books he remembered
    reading because they had been written in the erased timeline and not the
    new one). I also remember that the last time manipulation that the time >travelers performed in the book erased a time line where that character
    had been murdered. In the new one, he was still alive and he did
    remember being killed. Also, it is not Laumer's _The Great Time Machine
    Hoax_ (or _Dinosaur Beach_), Brunner's _Times Without Number_, one of
    Poul Anderson's Time Patrol stories (nor _Corridors of Time_), or
    Asimov's _The End of Eternity_."



    IIRC, he, on occasion, couldn't find books he remembered
    reading because they had been written in the erased timeline
    and not the new one.

    Have you considered that you are that character?
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 7 15:04:18 2024
    On 11/7/24 13:00, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <robertaw-3760E9.10331607112024@news.individual.net>,
    Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
    I believe that I first posted this about 2 decades ago (thus recent was
    then):

    "The recent discussions of parallel worlds reminded me of a book (I
    think it was a novel rather than a story in an anthology) that I read
    sometime in the 60s. This book had time travelers who manipulated time
    by changing events in the past (and thus generate a new timeline). The
    book also had a character (non-time traveller) who remembered the erased
    timelines (IIRC, he, on occasion, couldn't find books he remembered
    reading because they had been written in the erased timeline and not the
    new one). I also remember that the last time manipulation that the time
    travelers performed in the book erased a time line where that character
    had been murdered. In the new one, he was still alive and he did
    remember being killed. Also, it is not Laumer's _The Great Time Machine
    Hoax_ (or _Dinosaur Beach_), Brunner's _Times Without Number_, one of
    Poul Anderson's Time Patrol stories (nor _Corridors of Time_), or
    Asimov's _The End of Eternity_."



    IIRC, he, on occasion, couldn't find books he remembered
    reading because they had been written in the erased timeline
    and not the new one.

    Have you considered that you are that character?

    Strangely enough apart from the books that had not been
    written it sounds very like Agency and "peripheral"
    But those are recent.
    I have seen the character who is killed in one timeline and
    awakes with some memory in a Western Detective novel and he tatooes
    a number on his wrist to keep track as he dies in various timelines.
    Maybe the writer will keep him another series. This one
    involves a ranching Sheriff and his pal a Native American who has
    a mother? involved in shamanism.
    A quick search shows the Western Detective genre greatly
    enlarged. When I am at the SFPL next time I will try to find
    that author and see if he has SF series as well.

    bliss


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  • From Don@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Fri Nov 8 00:10:25 2024
    Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    Ted Nolan wrote:
    Robert Woodward wrote:
    I believe that I first posted this about 2 decades ago (thus recent was
    then):

    "The recent discussions of parallel worlds reminded me of a book (I
    think it was a novel rather than a story in an anthology) that I read
    sometime in the 60s. This book had time travelers who manipulated time
    by changing events in the past (and thus generate a new timeline). The
    book also had a character (non-time traveller) who remembered the erased >>> timelines (IIRC, he, on occasion, couldn't find books he remembered
    reading because they had been written in the erased timeline and not the >>> new one). I also remember that the last time manipulation that the time
    travelers performed in the book erased a time line where that character
    had been murdered. In the new one, he was still alive and he did
    remember being killed. Also, it is not Laumer's _The Great Time Machine
    Hoax_ (or _Dinosaur Beach_), Brunner's _Times Without Number_, one of
    Poul Anderson's Time Patrol stories (nor _Corridors of Time_), or
    Asimov's _The End of Eternity_."



    IIRC, he, on occasion, couldn't find books he remembered
    reading because they had been written in the erased timeline
    and not the new one.

    Have you considered that you are that character?

    Strangely enough apart from the books that had not been
    written it sounds very like Agency and "peripheral"
    But those are recent.
    I have seen the character who is killed in one timeline and
    awakes with some memory in a Western Detective novel and he tatooes
    a number on his wrist to keep track as he dies in various timelines.
    Maybe the writer will keep him another series. This one
    involves a ranching Sheriff and his pal a Native American who has
    a mother? involved in shamanism.
    A quick search shows the Western Detective genre greatly
    enlarged. When I am at the SFPL next time I will try to find
    that author and see if he has SF series as well.

    Getting back to the YASID, for what it's worth, such a (short) story
    scenario manifests itself in TLON, UQBAR, ORBIS TERTIUS where Borges
    bundles both books of the ephemeral variety with parallel worlds:

    ... Bioy recalled that one of Uqbar's heresiarchs had said that
    mirrors and copulation are abominable because they multiply the
    number of men. When I asked him the source of this pithy dictum,
    he told me it appeared in the article on Uqbar in The Anglo-
    American Cyclopaedia. The villa, which we were renting furnished,
    had a copy of the work. Towards the end of Volume XLVI we found
    an entry on Uppsala and at the beginning of Volume XLVII one on
    Ural-Altaic languages, but nowhere was there a mention of Uqbar.
    ...

    # # #

    As an aside, BY HIS COCKLE HAT AND STAFF (Wright) is a favorite fable
    found in FORBIDDEN THOUGHTS. It has parallel worlds with double-tongued interdimensional operatives along the lines of TRANSITION (Banks). In
    it, two particular worlds are compared and contrasted: a libertine world
    along with a Catholic world (a Weltanschauung well-known with Wright).

    Danke,

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Fri Nov 8 07:02:32 2024
    On 11/7/2024 6:26 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 11/7/2024 12:33 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    I believe that I first posted this about 2 decades ago (thus recent was
    then):

    "The recent discussions of parallel worlds reminded me of a book (I
    think it was a novel rather than a story in an anthology) that I read
    sometime in the 60s. This book had time travelers who manipulated time
    by changing events in the past (and thus generate a new timeline). The
    book also had a character (non-time traveller) who remembered the erased
    timelines (IIRC, he, on occasion, couldn't find books he remembered
    reading because they had been written in the erased timeline and not the
    new one). I also remember that the last time manipulation that the time
    travelers performed in the book erased a time line where that character
    had been murdered. In the new one, he was still alive and he did
    remember being killed. Also, it is not Laumer's _The Great Time Machine
    Hoax_ (or _Dinosaur Beach_), Brunner's _Times Without Number_, one of
    Poul Anderson's Time Patrol stories (nor _Corridors of Time_), or
    Asimov's _The End of Eternity_."

    "Replay" by Ken Grimwood is vaguely along these lines but it was
    published in 1998.
       https://www.amazon.com/Replay-Ken-Grimwood/dp/068816112X

    "Jeff Winston, forty-three, didn't know he was a replayer until he died
    and woke up twenty-five years younger in his college dorm room; he lived another life. And died again. And lived again and died again -- in a continuous twenty-five-year cycle -- each time starting from scratch at
    the age of eighteen to reclaim lost loves, remedy past mistakes, or make
    a fortune in the stock market. A novel of gripping adventure, romance,
    and fascinating speculation on the nature of time, Replay asks the
    question: "What if you could live your life over again?""

    I've read 'Replay'. He doesn't restart at 18 each time. After each
    death he restarts a bit older until at the end he is restarting seconds
    before death, then fractions of a second. When he reached the point of restarting at or "after" death he got a final Replay to use all that he
    had learned. There was also a woman going thru the same thing that he
    met during one of his replays and starting finding in each subsequent
    run. The epilogue was that once Winston and his partner stopped
    Replaying another couple started the cycle.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Robert Woodward@21:1/5 to ted@loft.tnolan.com on Fri Nov 8 09:45:25 2024
    In article <lp4o39FfkbbU1@mid.individual.net>,
    ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote:

    In article <robertaw-3760E9.10331607112024@news.individual.net>,
    Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
    I believe that I first posted this about 2 decades ago (thus recent was >then):

    "The recent discussions of parallel worlds reminded me of a book (I
    think it was a novel rather than a story in an anthology) that I read >sometime in the 60s. This book had time travelers who manipulated time
    by changing events in the past (and thus generate a new timeline). The
    book also had a character (non-time traveller) who remembered the erased >timelines (IIRC, he, on occasion, couldn't find books he remembered
    reading because they had been written in the erased timeline and not the >new one). I also remember that the last time manipulation that the time >travelers performed in the book erased a time line where that character
    had been murdered. In the new one, he was still alive and he did
    remember being killed. Also, it is not Laumer's _The Great Time Machine >Hoax_ (or _Dinosaur Beach_), Brunner's _Times Without Number_, one of
    Poul Anderson's Time Patrol stories (nor _Corridors of Time_), or
    Asimov's _The End of Eternity_."



    IIRC, he, on occasion, couldn't find books he remembered
    reading because they had been written in the erased timeline
    and not the new one.

    Have you considered that you are that character?

    If I was that character, I can assure you that no time manipulations
    have affected the last 5 decades. I still have almost all books that I
    read in that period.

    --
    "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. ‹-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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  • From Don@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Sat Nov 9 05:38:53 2024
    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    Robert Woodward wrote:
    I believe that I first posted this about 2 decades ago (thus recent was >>>> then):

    "The recent discussions of parallel worlds reminded me of a book (I
    think it was a novel rather than a story in an anthology) that I read
    sometime in the 60s. This book had time travelers who manipulated time >>>> by changing events in the past (and thus generate a new timeline). The >>>> book also had a character (non-time traveller) who remembered the erased >>>> timelines (IIRC, he, on occasion, couldn't find books he remembered
    reading because they had been written in the erased timeline and not the >>>> new one). I also remember that the last time manipulation that the time >>>> travelers performed in the book erased a time line where that character >>>> had been murdered. In the new one, he was still alive and he did
    remember being killed. Also, it is not Laumer's _The Great Time Machine >>>> Hoax_ (or _Dinosaur Beach_), Brunner's _Times Without Number_, one of
    Poul Anderson's Time Patrol stories (nor _Corridors of Time_), or
    Asimov's _The End of Eternity_."

    "Replay" by Ken Grimwood is vaguely along these lines but it was
    published in 1998.
        https://www.amazon.com/Replay-Ken-Grimwood/dp/068816112X

    "Jeff Winston, forty-three, didn't know he was a replayer until he
    died and woke up twenty-five years younger in his college dorm room;
    he lived another life. And died again. And lived again and died again
    -- in a continuous twenty-five-year cycle -- each time starting from
    scratch at the age of eighteen to reclaim lost loves, remedy past
    mistakes, or make a fortune in the stock market. A novel of gripping
    adventure, romance, and fascinating speculation on the nature of time,
    Replay asks the question: "What if you could live your life over again?"" >>>
    I've read 'Replay'.  He doesn't restart at 18 each time.  After each
    death he restarts a bit older until at the end he is restarting seconds
    before death, then fractions of a second.  When he reached the point of
    restarting at or "after" death he got a final Replay to use all that he
    had learned.  There was also a woman going thru the same thing that he
    met during one of his replays and starting finding in each subsequent
    run.  The epilogue was that once Winston and his partner stopped
    Replaying another couple started the cycle.

    If so, then somebody screwed up the marketing blurb. And I seem to
    remember that he grew older each replay also (been a long time since I
    read the book, it is in my reread list).

    Dimensional's recollection is correct.

    REPLAY, 12:01 PM, and the like offer a favored plot-line. Because such
    stories sublimate "practice makes perfect." On the other hand, my wife
    despises re-run stories for being too loopy.

    # # #

    On a different note, this part pertains to parallel worlds previously
    posted by me to this thread. The snippet below played through my
    earbuds during tonight's trek through the twilit trail on the mountain
    side with my dog. (Predators abound so my wife's 38 is always strapped
    to my side to scare them off if need be.)

    suppose God is outside and above the Time-line. In that
    case, what we call 'tomorrow' is visible to Him in just
    the same way as what we call 'today'. All the days are
    'Now' for Him. He does not remember you doing things
    yesterday; He simply sees you doing them, because, though
    you have lost yesterday, He has not. He does not 'foresee'
    you doing things tomorrow; He simply sees you doing them:
    because, though tomorrow is not yet there for you, it is
    for Him. You never supposed that your actions at this
    moment were any less free because God knows what you are
    doing. Well, He knows your tomorrow's actions in just the
    same way-because He is already in tomorrow and can simply
    watch you. In a sense, He does not know your action till
    you have done it: but then the moment at which you have
    done it is already 'Now' for Him.

    BEYOND PERSONALITY: OR FIRST STEPS IN THE DOCTRINE OF THE
    TRINITY by Lewis

    The above brings to mind the multiverse mentioned in PR269 HUNT FOR THE
    TIME AGENT.

    <https://www-perrypedia-de.translate.goog/wiki/Jagd_auf_den_Zeitagenten?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_hist=true>

    Danke,

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Fri Nov 8 21:36:11 2024
    On 11/8/2024 7:20 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 11/8/2024 9:02 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 11/7/2024 6:26 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 11/7/2024 12:33 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    I believe that I first posted this about 2 decades ago (thus recent was >>>> then):

    "The recent discussions of parallel worlds reminded me of a book (I
    think it was a novel rather than a story in an anthology) that I read
    sometime in the 60s. This book had time travelers who manipulated time >>>> by changing events in the past (and thus generate a new timeline). The >>>> book also had a character (non-time traveller) who remembered the
    erased
    timelines (IIRC, he, on occasion, couldn't find books he remembered
    reading because they had been written in the erased timeline and not
    the
    new one). I also remember that the last time manipulation that the time >>>> travelers performed in the book erased a time line where that character >>>> had been murdered. In the new one, he was still alive and he did
    remember being killed. Also, it is not Laumer's _The Great Time Machine >>>> Hoax_ (or _Dinosaur Beach_), Brunner's _Times Without Number_, one of
    Poul Anderson's Time Patrol stories (nor _Corridors of Time_), or
    Asimov's _The End of Eternity_."

    "Replay" by Ken Grimwood is vaguely along these lines but it was
    published in 1998.
        https://www.amazon.com/Replay-Ken-Grimwood/dp/068816112X

    "Jeff Winston, forty-three, didn't know he was a replayer until he
    died and woke up twenty-five years younger in his college dorm room;
    he lived another life. And died again. And lived again and died again
    -- in a continuous twenty-five-year cycle -- each time starting from
    scratch at the age of eighteen to reclaim lost loves, remedy past
    mistakes, or make a fortune in the stock market. A novel of gripping
    adventure, romance, and fascinating speculation on the nature of
    time, Replay asks the question: "What if you could live your life
    over again?""

    I've read 'Replay'.  He doesn't restart at 18 each time.  After each
    death he restarts a bit older until at the end he is restarting
    seconds before death, then fractions of a second.  When he reached the
    point of restarting at or "after" death he got a final Replay to use
    all that he had learned.  There was also a woman going thru the same
    thing that he met during one of his replays and starting finding in
    each subsequent run.  The epilogue was that once Winston and his
    partner stopped Replaying another couple started the cycle.

    If so, then somebody screwed up the marketing blurb.

    And this would surprise you ... because...?

    --
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    dirty old man.

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