Is George destined to become his own grandpa?

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3CvRC4fAmk>

I'm My Own Grandpa: A Canonical Analysis

"I'm My Own Grandpa," for those few who may not know, was a
signature song for country comedy artists (and Grand Ole
Opry regulars) Lonzo & Oscar. It has also been recorded by
others, including Grandpa Jones, and it makes a memorable
appearance in the hilariously stupid movie, The Stupids
(which is also remarkably clean, one of the few such comedy
films).

The premise of the song is that an unusual pair of marriages
result in bizarre relational implications for the character
in the song, such that he is now his own grandpa (as you
might suppose from the title).

The bizarre relationships that result from this pair of
marriages are extensive, and now someone has now gone and
done a hypertext version of the song that allows you to keep
track of how all the relationships work, complete with diagrams.

With this in mind (and linking the hypertext version), a
reader writes:

Would the following be considered licit... from the [Catholic]
Church's perspective? ...

<https://jimmyakin.com/2006/09/im_my_own_grand.html>

On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 06:35:40 -0000 (UTC), Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:

<https://jimmyakin.com/2006/09/im_my_own_grand.html>

In a major family reunion, re-uniting after decades the brother and
sister who, of the 11 children their parents had, were the only two to
reach adulthood (life was hard in the 1880s or so on the Great
Plains), I met two young (8 and 11, IIRC) who were referred to as
"cousins" (American English being very liberal in the use of this
word) but who were, in fact, Aunt and Niece.=20

Don wrote:

<snippo: "George" is GeorgeIII or perhaps G. Washingon>

Is George destined to become his own grandpa?

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3CvRC4fAmk>


I'm My Own Grandpa: A Canonical Analysis

"I'm My Own Grandpa," for those few who may not know, was a
signature song for country comedy artists (and Grand Ole
Opry regulars) Lonzo & Oscar. It has also been recorded by
others, including Grandpa Jones, and it makes a memorable
appearance in the hilariously stupid movie, The Stupids
(which is also remarkably clean, one of the few such comedy
films).

The premise of the song is that an unusual pair of marriages
result in bizarre relational implications for the character
in the song, such that he is now his own grandpa (as you
might suppose from the title).

The bizarre relationships that result from this pair of
marriages are extensive, and now someone has now gone and
done a hypertext version of the song that allows you to keep
track of how all the relationships work, complete with diagrams.

With this in mind (and linking the hypertext version), a
reader writes:

Would the following be considered licit... from the [Catholic]
Church's perspective? ...

<https://jimmyakin.com/2006/09/im_my_own_grand.html>

In a major family reunion, re-uniting after decades the brother and
sister who, of the 11 children their parents had, were the only two to
reach adulthood (life was hard in the 1880s or so on the Great
Plains), I met two young (8 and 11, IIRC) who were referred to as
"cousins" (American English being very liberal in the use of this
word) but who were, in fact, Aunt and Niece.

And the Aunt was the /younger/ one.

So, yes, some strange convolutions can happen in real life.

Robert Woodward wrote:

In article <vhlsha$akbr$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 11/19/2024 1:21 PM, William Hyde wrote:

Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:

In article <vhgg0u$1f9mv$1@dont-email.me>,
William Hyde  <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:

Here we are again, possibly less late than usual with books from >>>>>> October.
As is traditional (and possibly required): The links below are Amazon >>>>>> affiliate ones which could potentially earn me something should you >>>>>> choose to buy through one.

====

Acts of War: A World War II Alternative History
(The Usurper's War Book 1)
by James Young
https://amzn.to/3UAZsmc

Collisions of the Damned: The Defense of the Dutch East Indies
(The Usurper's War Book 2)
by James Young
https://amzn.to/3AryUx3

Here's the first two books of what I believe is to be an alt-hist >>>>>> WWII trilogy.

The jumping off point for this universe is that the British take >>>>>> out Hitler in a bombing raid on Berlin.  They had no idea where he >>>>>> was -- it was just one of those lucky accidents of war.  Or, in >>>>>> this case unlucky accidents of war.

Unlucky because taking out Hitler proved a very good thing for the >>>>>> Germans.  Himmler came in after sidelining Goering (possibly fatally,
I don't quite recall),

Plausible enough, but I suspect that "Der Treue Heinrich" would have >>>>> been dead in the same ditch as Goering and the generals would have >>>>> taken
over, in effect at least.  Perhaps with a nonentity like Hess as >>>>> titular
leader.

Of the leaders only Goebbels had any talent for backstabbing, but I >>>>> don't think the army would put up with him.

Besides, if the author wants a German leader who is keen on peace
Goering is the ideal choice.  Having looted to his heart's content, he
was happy to enjoy his wealth and status (and morphine) without the >>>>> risks of war.

  and said to the Brits basically: Look Hitler

was really a loose cannon and things got out of hand.  What's done >>>>>> is done, and we're not giving back anything our boys died for, but >>>>>> is there really any reason we still need to be at war?

Churchill said 'yes', but was eventually turfed out in favor of
Eden

Let me guess, the author looked up a list of UK cabinet members and >>>>> threw a dart?  Eden was well down the list of possible PMs at this >>>>> point, with only the war having restored him to the leading circle from >>>>> the pariah status he was consigned to in the late 1930s.

And if peace broke out certainly an appeaser like Halifax would have >>>>> been handed the job.  Might as well say they gave the PM position to >>>>> Brendan Bracken.


  who turned out to be what some people have always suspected

and made peace.

And some people think that Washington was George III's illegitimate >>>>> son.

Or at least I could convince some of that.

Sounds like an author to avoid.

William Hyde

No, this is entirely my fault.  Rather than going back to the book >>>> while I was writing the review, I was going on my memory which was
entirely wrong on at least two issues: battle cruiser vs battleship
and Halifax vs Eden.  I don't know why I had Eden on the brain when >>>> I was definitely familiar with Halifax, but it was Halifax who was
the accommodationist PM in this setting, not Eden.

Makes sense then.

An author not to be avoided.

I'm still going to run with the George III thing as soon as I can find a >>> likely victim.



William Hyde

Seeing as George III was born in 1738 and George Washington was born in
1732, that did not happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_III
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington

Now if you want to talk about George II, ...

I must point out that he was the grandfather of George III. It doesn't appear that Frederick Louis (he died at age 44), son of George II and father of George III, ever left Europe.

A scholarly work by noted historian Avram Davidson claims otherwise.

Davidson himself, of course, won the Hugo Award, named after noted
historian Hugo Gernsback, handed out by the American Historical society.

William Hyde

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:

On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 06:35:40 -0000 (UTC), Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:

<https://jimmyakin.com/2006/09/im_my_own_grand.html>

In a major family reunion, re-uniting after decades the brother and
sister who, of the 11 children their parents had, were the only two to >>reach adulthood (life was hard in the 1880s or so on the Great
Plains), I met two young (8 and 11, IIRC) who were referred to as
"cousins" (American English being very liberal in the use of this
word) but who were, in fact, Aunt and Niece.=20

Technically, the definition of cousin (first) is that they
share a grandparent. A second cousin shares a great-grandparent.
Once removed if a generation apart.

Robert Woodward wrote:

In article <vho367$pele$1@dont-email.me>,
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

Robert Woodward wrote:

In article <vhlsha$akbr$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 11/19/2024 1:21 PM, William Hyde wrote:

Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:

In article <vhgg0u$1f9mv$1@dont-email.me>,
William Hyde  <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:

Here we are again, possibly less late than usual with books from >>>>>>>> October.
As is traditional (and possibly required): The links below are >>>>>>>> Amazon
affiliate ones which could potentially earn me something should you >>>>>>>> choose to buy through one.

====

Acts of War: A World War II Alternative History
(The Usurper's War Book 1)
by James Young
https://amzn.to/3UAZsmc

Collisions of the Damned: The Defense of the Dutch East Indies >>>>>>>> (The Usurper's War Book 2)
by James Young
https://amzn.to/3AryUx3

Here's the first two books of what I believe is to be an alt-hist >>>>>>>> WWII trilogy.

The jumping off point for this universe is that the British take >>>>>>>> out Hitler in a bombing raid on Berlin.  They had no idea where
he
was -- it was just one of those lucky accidents of war.  Or, in
this case unlucky accidents of war.

Unlucky because taking out Hitler proved a very good thing for the >>>>>>>> Germans.  Himmler came in after sidelining Goering (possibly >>>>>>>> fatally,
I don't quite recall),

Plausible enough, but I suspect that "Der Treue Heinrich" would have >>>>>>> been dead in the same ditch as Goering and the generals would have >>>>>>> taken
over, in effect at least.  Perhaps with a nonentity like Hess as
titular
leader.

Of the leaders only Goebbels had any talent for backstabbing, but I >>>>>>> don't think the army would put up with him.

Besides, if the author wants a German leader who is keen on peace >>>>>>> Goering is the ideal choice.  Having looted to his heart's >>>>>>> content, he
was happy to enjoy his wealth and status (and morphine) without the >>>>>>> risks of war.

  and said to the Brits basically: Look Hitler

was really a loose cannon and things got out of hand.  What's
done
is done, and we're not giving back anything our boys died for, but >>>>>>>> is there really any reason we still need to be at war?

Churchill said 'yes', but was eventually turfed out in favor of >>>>>>>> Eden

Let me guess, the author looked up a list of UK cabinet members and >>>>>>> threw a dart?  Eden was well down the list of possible PMs at this
point, with only the war having restored him to the leading circle >>>>>>> from
the pariah status he was consigned to in the late 1930s.

And if peace broke out certainly an appeaser like Halifax would have >>>>>>> been handed the job.  Might as well say they gave the PM position
to
Brendan Bracken.


  who turned out to be what some people have always suspected >>>>>>>> and made peace.

And some people think that Washington was George III's illegitimate >>>>>>> son.

Or at least I could convince some of that.

Sounds like an author to avoid.

William Hyde

No, this is entirely my fault.  Rather than going back to the book
while I was writing the review, I was going on my memory which was >>>>>> entirely wrong on at least two issues: battle cruiser vs battleship >>>>>> and Halifax vs Eden.  I don't know why I had Eden on the brain when
I was definitely familiar with Halifax, but it was Halifax who was >>>>>> the accommodationist PM in this setting, not Eden.

Makes sense then.

An author not to be avoided.

I'm still going to run with the George III thing as soon as I can find >>>>> a
likely victim.



William Hyde

Seeing as George III was born in 1738 and George Washington was born in >>>> 1732, that did not happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_III
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington

Now if you want to talk about George II, ...

I must point out that he was the grandfather of George III. It doesn't >>> appear that Frederick Louis (he died at age 44), son of George II and
father of George III, ever left Europe.

A scholarly work by noted historian Avram Davidson claims otherwise.

Davidson himself, of course, won the Hugo Award, named after noted
historian Hugo Gernsback, handed out by the American Historical society. >>
William Hyde

I am aware of his distinguished work, especially his history of the Scytha-Pannonia-Transbalkania empire, but I don't remember reading that work. What is the title?

I think it was "O Brave Old World" in his collection, "The Other 19th Century".

Churchill said 'yes', but was eventually turfed out in favor of
Eden

Let me guess, the author looked up a list of UK cabinet members and
threw a dart? Eden was well down the list of possible PMs at this
point, with only the war having restored him to the leading circle from
the pariah status he was consigned to in the late 1930s.

And if peace broke out certainly an appeaser like Halifax would have
been handed the job. Might as well say they gave the PM position to
Brendan Bracken.