• The Age of Fighting Sail in S P A C E !!

    From Robert Woodward@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 20 10:05:34 2024
    Am I referring to David Weber's Honor Harrington series where the characteristics of the space drive cause warships to fight broadside to broadside? No. Am I referring to David Drake's Leary and Mundy series
    where the FTL drive uses "sails"? No.

    I am referring to _Arabella and the Battle of Venus_ by David Levine
    which is the 2nd book in his Arabella series*. This takes place in a
    very strange solar system where breathable atmosphere exists in
    interplanetary space. So we have 2 fleets of large c. 1800 sailing ships
    (with 2 extra sets of masts set 120 degrees from the vertical ones) in
    space shooting at each other with muzzle loading black powder cannon.
    BTW, the commander of the British fleet is Admiral Horatio Nelson.

    *Both "The Wreck of the Mars Adventure" which appeared in the anthology
    _Old Mars_ and "The End of the Silk Road" which appeared in the May-June
    2014 issue of _F&SF_ belong to the same continuity. David Levine has
    stated that "tEotSR" was written for _Old Venus_ but was not accepted
    there.

    --
    "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. ‹-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to robertaw@drizzle.com on Wed Nov 20 18:55:50 2024
    In article <robertaw-4AD871.10053320112024@news.individual.net>,
    Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
    Am I referring to David Weber's Honor Harrington series where the >characteristics of the space drive cause warships to fight broadside to >broadside? No. Am I referring to David Drake's Leary and Mundy series
    where the FTL drive uses "sails"? No.

    I am referring to _Arabella and the Battle of Venus_ by David Levine
    which is the 2nd book in his Arabella series*. This takes place in a
    very strange solar system where breathable atmosphere exists in >interplanetary space. So we have 2 fleets of large c. 1800 sailing ships >(with 2 extra sets of masts set 120 degrees from the vertical ones) in
    space shooting at each other with muzzle loading black powder cannon.
    BTW, the commander of the British fleet is Admiral Horatio Nelson.

    *Both "The Wreck of the Mars Adventure" which appeared in the anthology
    _Old Mars_ and "The End of the Silk Road" which appeared in the May-June
    2014 issue of _F&SF_ belong to the same continuity. David Levine has
    stated that "tEotSR" was written for _Old Venus_ but was not accepted
    there.


    Do you have an opinion of some sort about it?
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    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to petertrei@gmail.com on Thu Nov 21 18:32:09 2024
    In article <vhnsqv$oasq$1@dont-email.me>,
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 11/20/2024 1:05 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    Am I referring to David Weber's Honor Harrington series where the
    characteristics of the space drive cause warships to fight broadside to
    broadside? No. Am I referring to David Drake's Leary and Mundy series
    where the FTL drive uses "sails"? No.

    I am referring to _Arabella and the Battle of Venus_ by David Levine
    which is the 2nd book in his Arabella series*. This takes place in a
    very strange solar system where breathable atmosphere exists in
    interplanetary space. So we have 2 fleets of large c. 1800 sailing ships
    (with 2 extra sets of masts set 120 degrees from the vertical ones) in
    space shooting at each other with muzzle loading black powder cannon.
    BTW, the commander of the British fleet is Admiral Horatio Nelson.

    *Both "The Wreck of the Mars Adventure" which appeared in the anthology
    _Old Mars_ and "The End of the Silk Road" which appeared in the May-June
    2014 issue of _F&SF_ belong to the same continuity. David Levine has
    stated that "tEotSR" was written for _Old Venus_ but was not accepted
    there.


    That's a wild scenario. Did they address the issue of wind resistance
    causing planets to slow down and spiral into the sun?

    pt

    Did Niven address that in the Smoke Ring?
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  • From Robert Woodward@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Thu Nov 21 21:42:23 2024
    In article <vhnsqv$oasq$1@dont-email.me>,
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 11/20/2024 1:05 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    Am I referring to David Weber's Honor Harrington series where the characteristics of the space drive cause warships to fight broadside to broadside? No. Am I referring to David Drake's Leary and Mundy series
    where the FTL drive uses "sails"? No.

    I am referring to _Arabella and the Battle of Venus_ by David Levine
    which is the 2nd book in his Arabella series*. This takes place in a
    very strange solar system where breathable atmosphere exists in interplanetary space. So we have 2 fleets of large c. 1800 sailing ships (with 2 extra sets of masts set 120 degrees from the vertical ones) in space shooting at each other with muzzle loading black powder cannon.
    BTW, the commander of the British fleet is Admiral Horatio Nelson.

    *Both "The Wreck of the Mars Adventure" which appeared in the anthology _Old Mars_ and "The End of the Silk Road" which appeared in the May-June 2014 issue of _F&SF_ belong to the same continuity. David Levine has
    stated that "tEotSR" was written for _Old Venus_ but was not accepted there.


    That's a wild scenario. Did they address the issue of wind resistance
    causing planets to slow down and spiral into the sun?


    It is my impression that David Levine ignored that problem.

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    "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. —-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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  • From Default User@21:1/5 to Robert Woodward on Sun Nov 24 03:43:01 2024
    Robert Woodward wrote:

    I am referring to _Arabella and the Battle of Venus_ by David Levine
    which is the 2nd book in his Arabella series*. This takes place in a
    very strange solar system where breathable atmosphere exists in interplanetary space. So we have 2 fleets of large c. 1800 sailing
    ships (with 2 extra sets of masts set 120 degrees from the vertical
    ones) in space shooting at each other with muzzle loading black
    powder cannon. BTW, the commander of the British fleet is Admiral
    Horatio Nelson.

    Karl Schroeder's Virga series features a huge sphere filled with air,
    that has a number of small nations orbiting an artificial sun.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_of_Suns


    Brian

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Sat Nov 23 21:02:05 2024
    On 11/21/2024 10:06 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 11/20/2024 1:05 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    Am I referring to David Weber's Honor Harrington series where the
    characteristics of the space drive cause warships to fight broadside to
    broadside? No. Am I referring to David Drake's Leary and Mundy series
    where the FTL drive uses "sails"? No.

    I am referring to _Arabella and the Battle of Venus_ by David Levine
    which is the 2nd book in his Arabella series*. This takes place in a
    very strange solar system where breathable atmosphere exists in
    interplanetary space. So we have 2 fleets of large c. 1800 sailing ships
    (with 2 extra sets of masts set 120 degrees from the vertical ones) in
    space shooting at each other with muzzle loading black powder cannon.
    BTW, the commander of the British fleet is Admiral Horatio Nelson.

    *Both "The Wreck of the Mars Adventure" which appeared in the anthology
    _Old Mars_ and "The End of the Silk Road" which appeared in the May-June
    2014 issue of _F&SF_ belong to the same continuity. David Levine has
    stated that "tEotSR" was written for _Old Venus_ but was not accepted
    there.


    That's a wild scenario. Did they address the issue of wind resistance
    causing planets to slow down and spiral into the sun?

    The air doesn't just move along at the same speed as the planets? If
    not I don't want to even try to imagine the turbulence....

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    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From David Duffy@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Sun Dec 1 06:19:17 2024
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    The only way to prevent it would be for the gas cloud to rotate
    as if it were a solid object, with the highest speeds at the outer
    edge, and the planets embedded in the cloud like raisins.

    But that would mean that beyond a certain point, the gas molecules
    would exceed solar escape velocity, and be lost. Also, objects in
    orbits just don't act that way,

    Surely a suitable distribution of dark matter could help here :)

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to Duffy on Sun Dec 1 08:22:45 2024
    On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 06:19:17 -0000 (UTC), davidd02@tpg.com.au (David
    Duffy) wrote:

    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    The only way to prevent it would be for the gas cloud to rotate
    as if it were a solid object, with the highest speeds at the outer
    edge, and the planets embedded in the cloud like raisins.

    But that would mean that beyond a certain point, the gas molecules
    would exceed solar escape velocity, and be lost. Also, objects in
    orbits just don't act that way,

    Surely a suitable distribution of dark matter could help here :)

    Possibly.

    If it actually exists and isn't just thought to be there to "save the appearances".
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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