Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our
It's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any rational non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.
On 1/8/2025 5:52 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 1/8/25 14:11, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our
It's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any rational >>> non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is stupid >>> GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.
MAGA voted for the billionaires pal. He is such a good pal that
he cut taxes before on the most well off to move the burden of the
nation's wars and disasters to the less well off. He intends to
continue this inflationary policy until he stops breathing.
People believed him when he said he would cut the cost of
the groceries but as soon he could he gave an interview and said
it was impossible. We controlled prices during WW II so it is not
impossible. We have several wars going on right now the most meanful
is to reduce carbon dioxide output from human activities so the
War On Climate Change might make rationing and price controls
rational again.
bliss - the hobbler
Hey Bobbie,
Got water in your fire hydrants ?
On 1/8/2025 5:52 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 1/8/25 14:11, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our
It's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any rational >>> non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is stupid >>> GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.
MAGA voted for the billionaires pal. He is such a good pal that
he cut taxes before on the most well off to move the burden of the
nation's wars and disasters to the less well off. He intends to
continue this inflationary policy until he stops breathing.
People believed him when he said he would cut the cost of
the groceries but as soon he could he gave an interview and said
it was impossible. We controlled prices during WW II so it is not
impossible. We have several wars going on right now the most meanful
is to reduce carbon dioxide output from human activities so the
War On Climate Change might make rationing and price controls
rational again.
bliss - the hobbler
Hey Bobbie,
Got water in your fire hydrants ?
Lynn
Hey Bobbie,
Got water in your fire hydrants ?
and Movies that relate the way LA got its water and now
it is attempting to drain the rivers of Northern California.
Look up Delta Project in the Central Valley of California.
bliss - the hobbler
On 1/8/25 14:11, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our
It's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any rational
non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.
MAGA voted for the billionaires pal. He is such a good pal that
he cut taxes before on the most well off to move the burden of the
nation's wars and disasters to the less well off. He intends to
continue this inflationary policy until he stops breathing.
People believed him when he said he would cut the cost of
the groceries but as soon he could he gave an interview and said
it was impossible. We controlled prices during WW II so it is not
impossible. We have several wars going on right now the most meanful
is to reduce carbon dioxide output from human activities so the
War On Climate Change might make rationing and price controls
rational again.
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Bobbie,
Got water in your fire hydrants ?
I'm okay but the city down the road (Richmond, VA) has been without
for about three days now. Looks like a case of poor plant maintenance >combined with electrical infrastructure that has fellen badly behind
demand but full details are not available yet.
On 1/9/25 12:21, Lynn McGuire wrote:
Got water in your fire hydrants ?
I live in San Francisco not the City of the Angels.
Since the Fire and Quake in 1906, Water for the Hydrants
has been a big item.
Remember when thinking of Los Angeles that the
Devils and Demons are all fallen angels. There are books
and Movies that relate the way LA got its water and now
it is attempting to drain the rivers of Northern California.
Look up Delta Project in the Central Valley of California.
On 1/9/2025 4:57 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 1/9/25 12:21, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 1/8/2025 5:52 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 1/8/25 14:11, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The DoorIt's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans. >>>>>
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our >>>>>
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any
rational
non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is
stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.
MAGA voted for the billionaires pal. He is such a good pal that >>>> he cut taxes before on the most well off to move the burden of the
nation's wars and disasters to the less well off. He intends to
continue this inflationary policy until he stops breathing.
People believed him when he said he would cut the cost of
the groceries but as soon he could he gave an interview and said
it was impossible. We controlled prices during WW II so it is not
impossible. We have several wars going on right now the most meanful
is to reduce carbon dioxide output from human activities so the
War On Climate Change might make rationing and price controls
rational again.
bliss - the hobbler
Hey Bobbie,
Got water in your fire hydrants ?
Lynn
I live in San Francisco not the City of the Angels.
Since the Fire and Quake in 1906, Water for the Hydrants
has been a big item.
Remember when thinking of Los Angeles that the
Devils and Demons are all fallen angels. There are books
and Movies that relate the way LA got its water and now
it is attempting to drain the rivers of Northern California.
Look up Delta Project in the Central Valley of California.
bliss - the hobbler
I know this, you have typed about the SF library several times.
If LA has dropped their water sources, can San Fransisco be far behind ?
On 1/9/2025 4:57 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 1/9/25 12:21, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 1/8/2025 5:52 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 1/8/25 14:11, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The DoorIt's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans. >>>>>
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our >>>>>
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any
rational
non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is
stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.
MAGA voted for the billionaires pal. He is such a good pal that >>>> he cut taxes before on the most well off to move the burden of the
nation's wars and disasters to the less well off. He intends to
continue this inflationary policy until he stops breathing.
People believed him when he said he would cut the cost of
the groceries but as soon he could he gave an interview and said
it was impossible. We controlled prices during WW II so it is not
impossible. We have several wars going on right now the most meanful
is to reduce carbon dioxide output from human activities so the
War On Climate Change might make rationing and price controls
rational again.
bliss - the hobbler
Hey Bobbie,
Got water in your fire hydrants ?
Lynn
I live in San Francisco not the City of the Angels.
Since the Fire and Quake in 1906, Water for the Hydrants
has been a big item.
Remember when thinking of Los Angeles that the
Devils and Demons are all fallen angels. There are books
and Movies that relate the way LA got its water and now
it is attempting to drain the rivers of Northern California.
Look up Delta Project in the Central Valley of California.
bliss - the hobbler
I know this, you have typed about the SF library several times.
If LA has dropped their water sources, can San Fransisco be far behind ?
Lynn
On 1/10/2025 4:04 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 1/9/2025 4:57 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 1/9/25 12:21, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 1/8/2025 5:52 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 1/8/25 14:11, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The DoorIt's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans. >>>>>>>
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our >>>>>>>
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any >>>>>>> rational
non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is >>>>>>> stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.
MAGA voted for the billionaires pal. He is such a good pal that
he cut taxes before on the most well off to move the burden of the >>>>>> nation's wars and disasters to the less well off. He intends to
continue this inflationary policy until he stops breathing.
People believed him when he said he would cut the cost of >>>>>> the groceries but as soon he could he gave an interview and said
it was impossible. We controlled prices during WW II so it is not
impossible. We have several wars going on right now the most meanful >>>>>> is to reduce carbon dioxide output from human activities so the
War On Climate Change might make rationing and price controls
rational again.
bliss - the hobbler
Hey Bobbie,
Got water in your fire hydrants ?
Lynn
I live in San Francisco not the City of the Angels.
Since the Fire and Quake in 1906, Water for the Hydrants
has been a big item.
Remember when thinking of Los Angeles that the
Devils and Demons are all fallen angels. There are books
and Movies that relate the way LA got its water and now
it is attempting to drain the rivers of Northern California.
Look up Delta Project in the Central Valley of California.
bliss - the hobbler
I know this, you have typed about the SF library several times.
If LA has dropped their water sources, can San Fransisco be far behind ?
The only problem with your question is that the first part isn't
even partly true; therefore the second part is completely irrelevent.
https://fakenews.com/jenvanlaar/2025/01/10/bombshell-key-reservoir-was-empty-when-palisades-fire-started-contributed-to-loss-of-homes-and-life-n2184190
On 1/10/25 15:15, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
If LA has dropped their water sources, can San Fransisco be far behind ? >>>>The only problem with your question is that the first part isn't
even partly true; therefore the second part is completely irrelevent.
https://fakenews.com/jenvanlaar/2025/01/10/bombshell-key-reservoir-was-empty-when-palisades-fire-started-contributed-to-loss-of-homes-and-life-n2184190
You really need to find more reliable sources.
No use talking to him as he believes every lie out of Putin's Puppet,
Trump's mouth as well as those from Putin himself and Tucker
Carlson of all people. Maybe a paid provocateur? What salary does
Russia pay Lynn McGuire?
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 1/10/2025 4:04 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 1/9/2025 4:57 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:The only problem with your question is that the first part isn't
On 1/9/25 12:21, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 1/8/2025 5:52 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 1/8/25 14:11, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The DoorIt's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans. >>>>>>>>
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08 >>>>>>>>>
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our >>>>>>>>
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any >>>>>>>> rational
non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is >>>>>>>> stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.
MAGA voted for the billionaires pal. He is such a good pal that
he cut taxes before on the most well off to move the burden of the >>>>>>> nation's wars and disasters to the less well off. He intends to
continue this inflationary policy until he stops breathing.
People believed him when he said he would cut the cost of >>>>>>> the groceries but as soon he could he gave an interview and said >>>>>>> it was impossible. We controlled prices during WW II so it is not >>>>>>> impossible. We have several wars going on right now the most meanful >>>>>>> is to reduce carbon dioxide output from human activities so the
War On Climate Change might make rationing and price controls
rational again.
bliss - the hobbler
Hey Bobbie,
Got water in your fire hydrants ?
Lynn
I live in San Francisco not the City of the Angels.
Since the Fire and Quake in 1906, Water for the Hydrants
has been a big item.
Remember when thinking of Los Angeles that the
Devils and Demons are all fallen angels. There are books
and Movies that relate the way LA got its water and now
it is attempting to drain the rivers of Northern California.
Look up Delta Project in the Central Valley of California.
bliss - the hobbler
I know this, you have typed about the SF library several times.
If LA has dropped their water sources, can San Fransisco be far behind ? >>>
even partly true; therefore the second part is completely irrelevent.
https://fakenews.com/jenvanlaar/2025/01/10/bombshell-key-reservoir-was-empty-when-palisades-fire-started-contributed-to-loss-of-homes-and-life-n2184190
You really need to find more reliable sources.
On 1/10/2025 9:09 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jan 2025 22:11:49 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our
It's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.
I call them "spend and spend". As opposed to the "tax and spend"
Democrats fiscally-conservative Republicans used to attack.
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any rational >>> non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is stupid >>> GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.
The goal of the GOP since Ronnie has been to destroy Social Security.
The National Debt is their primary weapon.
They aren't going to reduce it -- they are going to use it to destroy
Social Security, and probably Medicare as well.
Because, after all, 1%-ers don't need those programs, so nobody else
does either.
The /real/ problem is that the Dems aren't going to reduce the
National Debt either. Even if they collect money to do so, they will
find something else to spend it on.
Both Parties need severe wedgies. Republicans more than Democrats, but
the Dems are by no means exempt.
Historically the Dems have reduced the national debt and balanced the
budget MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more than the Repubs. The Repubs don't even try
to do either.
On 1/10/2025 8:44 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 1/10/2025 5:15 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 1/10/2025 4:04 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:https://fakenews.com/jenvanlaar/2025/01/10/bombshell-key-reservoir-
On 1/9/2025 4:57 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 1/9/25 12:21, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 1/8/2025 5:52 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 1/8/25 14:11, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08 >>>>>>>>>>>
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for >>>>>>>>>>> all of our
It's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax
republicans.
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any >>>>>>>>>> rational
non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is >>>>>>>>>> stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.
MAGA voted for the billionaires pal. He is such a good >>>>>>>>> pal that
he cut taxes before on the most well off to move the burden of the >>>>>>>>> nation's wars and disasters to the less well off. He intends to >>>>>>>>> continue this inflationary policy until he stops breathing.
People believed him when he said he would cut the cost of
the groceries but as soon he could he gave an interview and said >>>>>>>>> it was impossible. We controlled prices during WW II so it is not >>>>>>>>> impossible. We have several wars going on right now the most >>>>>>>>> meanful
is to reduce carbon dioxide output from human activities so the >>>>>>>>> War On Climate Change might make rationing and price controls >>>>>>>>> rational again.
bliss - the hobbler
Hey Bobbie,
Got water in your fire hydrants ?
Lynn
I live in San Francisco not the City of the Angels. >>>>>>> Since the Fire and Quake in 1906, Water for the Hydrants
has been a big item.
Remember when thinking of Los Angeles that the
Devils and Demons are all fallen angels. There are books
and Movies that relate the way LA got its water and now
it is attempting to drain the rivers of Northern California.
Look up Delta Project in the Central Valley of California.
bliss - the hobbler
I know this, you have typed about the SF library several times.
If LA has dropped their water sources, can San Fransisco be far
behind ?
The only problem with your question is that the first part isn't
even partly true; therefore the second part is completely irrelevent. >>>>
was-empty-when-palisades-fire-started-contributed-to-loss-of-homes-
and-life-n2184190
You really need to find more reliable sources.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-10/as-flames-raged-
in- palisades-a-key-reservoir-nearby-was-offline
Lynn
The story's true - I saw it from other sources too. Why you chose to
point us at a garbage source to start, I don't know.
The reservoir was down for quite some time to repair rips in its cover.
Would it have made a difference? We're certainly going to see analysis
of this in the coming months, as politicians move into the
finger-pointing phase.
The impression I get is that it would have helped, but not hugely. It
could have feed some more water to the tanks that pressurized the
hydrants, but probably not fast enough to keep the highest ones running.
The system simply wasn't sized to deal with this big and widespread a
fire - it would have been fine if a few streets were involved but not
30 square miles of houses. The problem was compounded by the high
winds, which not only spread the fire, but also grounded air tankers.
pt
Proposition 13 is an amendment of the Constitution of California enacted during 1978, by means of the initiative process, to cap property taxes and limit property reassessments to when the property changes ownership, and to require a 2/3 majority fortax increases in the state legislature.
On 1/10/25 13:49, Lynn McGuire wrote:
If LA has dropped their water sources, can San Fransisco be far behind ?
You do not know much abour California, Northern or Southern.
San Francisco in the early 20th Century got approval amd built a
dam in the Sierra in a canyon as big as Yosemite and has a large
reservoir there as well as a hydro-power generating facility.
Los Angeles stole the water from thee Owens Valley about the
same time and then later negotiated for Colorado River water. The
watershed of the Colorado of late has been drier than normal and
it is hard to get water that is not there.
So Southern California conceived a grand solution to their
water problems. The result was the Delta Water project which extracts
water from the Delta of the Sacramento-San Joaquin river and via a
long canal ships it south to LA. That is not good for either the
wildlife of the rivers or the agricultural interests of the Central
Valley of California but the people of LA and their swimming pools
must be served.
So Southern California was a desert land most of the time
but that meant nothing to the Real Estate interests of the South.
So Southern California should be abandoned by all but the
entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^(
The last truly sane Republican President was Eisenhower
who taxed the rich at high levels.
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 14:48:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 1/10/25 13:49, Lynn McGuire wrote:
<snippo stuff>
If LA has dropped their water sources, can San Fransisco be far behind ? >>>
You do not know much abour California, Northern or Southern.
San Francisco in the early 20th Century got approval amd built a
dam in the Sierra in a canyon as big as Yosemite and has a large
reservoir there as well as a hydro-power generating facility.
Los Angeles stole the water from thee Owens Valley about the
same time and then later negotiated for Colorado River water. The
watershed of the Colorado of late has been drier than normal and
it is hard to get water that is not there.
So Southern California conceived a grand solution to their
water problems. The result was the Delta Water project which extracts
water from the Delta of the Sacramento-San Joaquin river and via a
long canal ships it south to LA. That is not good for either the
wildlife of the rivers or the agricultural interests of the Central
Valley of California but the people of LA and their swimming pools
must be served.
So Southern California was a desert land most of the time
but that meant nothing to the Real Estate interests of the South.
So Southern California should be abandoned by all but the
entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^(
Florida is out -- retirees are fleeing because of the high condo fees,
or some such nonsense.
Well, according to /some/ online sources, anyway.
Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> writes:
No use talking to him as he believes every lie out of Putin's Puppet, >>Trump's mouth as well as those from Putin himself and Tucker
Carlson of all people. Maybe a paid provocateur? What salary does
Russia pay Lynn McGuire?
Actually, he's in the the pocket of the fossil fuel industry, and
his income is completely dependent upon the oil industry.
People in the reinsurance industry started paying attention to the
problem of climate change a long time ago. At about the turn of the
century two big ones, Munich Re and Swiss Re, decided to stop offering >coverage on the US gulf coast. Others simply put up prices. As
insurance companies rely on re-insurers to take some of the risk
companies had to raise rates to preserve profits.
Rising insurance narrows the pool of potential buyers. Banks won't give >mortgages for uninsured houses, so if you can't afford both the mortgage
and insurance payments you can't buy. Prices will have to drop until
houses start selling. If you are an older person trying to cash in on
your house before moving to care or rental housing, you won't get the
price you were expecting. And if you are renting, higher insurance
costs will be passed on to you.
Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 1/11/2025 8:54 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 14:48:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
So Southern California should be abandoned by all but the
entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^(
Florida is out -- retirees are fleeing because of the high condo fees,
or some such nonsense.
Well, according to /some/ online sources, anyway.
High insurance costs for all the beachfront buildings that are
starting to subside because of rising sea levels and the resulting
knock-on effects from that like insurance companies refusing to add
new policies or renew existing ones because doing so would endanger
their profits.
People in the reinsurance industry started paying attention to the
problem of climate change a long time ago. At about the turn of the
century two big ones, Munich Re and Swiss Re, decided to stop offering coverage on the US gulf coast. Others simply put up prices. As
insurance companies rely on re-insurers to take some of the risk
companies had to raise rates to preserve profits.
I'd be surprised if something similar hasn't happened in fire-prone
areas. Insurance companies are not in the business of saving people,
they are in the business of spreading risk and making pots of money in
the process.
Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 1/11/2025 8:54 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 14:48:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
So Southern California should be abandoned by all but the
entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^(
Florida is out -- retirees are fleeing because of the high condo fees,
or some such nonsense.
Well, according to /some/ online sources, anyway.
High insurance costs for all the beachfront buildings that are starting
to subside because of rising sea levels and the resulting knock-on
effects from that like insurance companies refusing to add new policies
or renew existing ones because doing so would endanger their profits.
People in the reinsurance industry started paying attention to the
problem of climate change a long time ago. At about the turn of the
century two big ones, Munich Re and Swiss Re, decided to stop offering >coverage on the US gulf coast. Others simply put up prices. As
insurance companies rely on re-insurers to take some of the risk
companies had to raise rates to preserve profits.
I'd be surprised if something similar hasn't happened in fire-prone
areas. Insurance companies are not in the business of saving people,
they are in the business of spreading risk and making pots of money in
the process.
On 1/11/2025 8:54 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 14:48:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
So Southern California should be abandoned by all but the
entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^(
Florida is out -- retirees are fleeing because of the high condo fees,
or some such nonsense.
Well, according to /some/ online sources, anyway.
High insurance costs for all the beachfront buildings that are starting
to subside because of rising sea levels and the resulting knock-on
effects from that like insurance companies refusing to add new policies
or renew existing ones because doing so would endanger their profits.
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 11:32:54 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 1/11/2025 8:54 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 14:48:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
<<snippo more stuff>>
So Southern California should be abandoned by all but the
entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^(
Florida is out -- retirees are fleeing because of the high condo fees,
or some such nonsense.
Well, according to /some/ online sources, anyway.
High insurance costs for all the beachfront buildings that are starting
to subside because of rising sea levels and the resulting knock-on
effects from that like insurance companies refusing to add new policies
or renew existing ones because doing so would endanger their profits.
It's either that or raise rate ... nationwide. Gotta get the money to
cover the claims from /somewhere/, and adding it to the National Debt
is not available. So far.
As other posts discussed, California is in a similar situation due to wildfires. Which ultimately may mean "poorly-managed infrastructure, specifically electricity distribution". Or not, as the case may be.
Scott Lurndal wrote:
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> writes:
Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 1/11/2025 8:54 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 14:48:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
    So Southern California should be abandoned by all but the
entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^(
Florida is out -- retirees are fleeing because of the high condo fees, >>>>> or some such nonsense.
Well, according to /some/ online sources, anyway.
High insurance costs for all the beachfront buildings that are starting >>>> to subside because of rising sea levels and the resulting knock-on
effects from that like insurance companies refusing to add new policies >>>> or renew existing ones because doing so would endanger their profits.
People in the reinsurance industry started paying attention to the
problem of climate change a long time ago. At about the turn of the
century two big ones, Munich Re and Swiss Re, decided to stop offering
coverage on the US gulf coast. Others simply put up prices. As
insurance companies rely on re-insurers to take some of the risk
companies had to raise rates to preserve profits.
I'd be surprised if something similar hasn't happened in fire-prone
areas. Insurance companies are not in the business of saving people,
they are in the business of spreading risk and making pots of money in
the process.
There are mutual insurers (such as state farm) where the
risk is spread over the pool of insured with premiums adjusted
appropriately. Excess premium dollars would be returned to the
insured annually. Although State Farm hasn't been able to return
anything for a decade or more IME.
As I recall there were far more mutual firms about thirty years ago. Many demutualized, with the policy holders getting shares in the new company. It was similar to the case of S&Ls a decade or so earlier but at least in the case of my family's insurer, Canada Life, it was handled well.
A guess at the insured cost of the current fires is 20 billion, but I'm sure that will go up. And total cost is much higher.
William Hyde
On 1/12/2025 8:44 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 11:32:54 -0800, Dimensional TravelerIt was in part. The electrical utilities have spend a lot of money
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 1/11/2025 8:54 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 14:48:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
<<snippo more stuff>>
So Southern California should be abandoned by all but the
entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^(
Florida is out -- retirees are fleeing because of the high condo fees, >>>> or some such nonsense.
Well, according to /some/ online sources, anyway.
High insurance costs for all the beachfront buildings that are starting
to subside because of rising sea levels and the resulting knock-on
effects from that like insurance companies refusing to add new policies
or renew existing ones because doing so would endanger their profits.
It's either that or raise rate ... nationwide. Gotta get the money to
cover the claims from /somewhere/, and adding it to the National Debt
is not available. So far.
As other posts discussed, California is in a similar situation due to
wildfires. Which ultimately may mean "poorly-managed infrastructure,
specifically electricity distribution". Or not, as the case may be.
(rate hikes) over the last several years updating and upgrading their >electrical equipment. The largest has been moving their lines
underground, which is not quick or cheap.
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 08:59:34 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 1/12/2025 8:44 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 11:32:54 -0800, Dimensional TravelerIt was in part. The electrical utilities have spend a lot of money
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 1/11/2025 8:54 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 14:48:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
<<snippo more stuff>>
So Southern California should be abandoned by all but the
entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^(
Florida is out -- retirees are fleeing because of the high condo fees, >>>>> or some such nonsense.
Well, according to /some/ online sources, anyway.
High insurance costs for all the beachfront buildings that are starting >>>> to subside because of rising sea levels and the resulting knock-on
effects from that like insurance companies refusing to add new policies >>>> or renew existing ones because doing so would endanger their profits.
It's either that or raise rate ... nationwide. Gotta get the money to
cover the claims from /somewhere/, and adding it to the National Debt
is not available. So far.
As other posts discussed, California is in a similar situation due to
wildfires. Which ultimately may mean "poorly-managed infrastructure,
specifically electricity distribution". Or not, as the case may be.
(rate hikes) over the last several years updating and upgrading their
electrical equipment. The largest has been moving their lines
underground, which is not quick or cheap.
Our rates keep going up as needed to keep the electricity (and the
water, these are two different city-run utilities) flowing. They are apparently installing EV chargers along parking strips in some areas.
How that actually works I don't know: does the user charge the cost on
a card?
is the homeowner stuck for the additional electricity used by
anyone who parks there and charges the car?
A recent discussion on Nextdoor, fueled by a suburb with lots a trees
and therefore lots of fallen power lines/poles in a recent major storm
("bomb tornado", IIRC), revealed that underground lines have problems
too. And cost a heck of a lot more to fix. But I suppose that depends,
to some extent, on the nature of ground they are under.
On 1/13/2025 7:59 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 08:59:34 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 1/12/2025 8:44 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 11:32:54 -0800, Dimensional TravelerIt was in part. The electrical utilities have spend a lot of money
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 1/11/2025 8:54 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 14:48:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
<<snippo more stuff>>
It's either that or raise rate ... nationwide. Gotta get the money toSo Southern California should be abandoned by all but the >>>>>>> entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^( >>>>>>Florida is out -- retirees are fleeing because of the high condo fees, >>>>>> or some such nonsense.
Well, according to /some/ online sources, anyway.
High insurance costs for all the beachfront buildings that are starting >>>>> to subside because of rising sea levels and the resulting knock-on
effects from that like insurance companies refusing to add new policies >>>>> or renew existing ones because doing so would endanger their profits. >>>>
cover the claims from /somewhere/, and adding it to the National Debt
is not available. So far.
As other posts discussed, California is in a similar situation due to
wildfires. Which ultimately may mean "poorly-managed infrastructure,
specifically electricity distribution". Or not, as the case may be.
(rate hikes) over the last several years updating and upgrading their
electrical equipment. The largest has been moving their lines
underground, which is not quick or cheap.
Our rates keep going up as needed to keep the electricity (and the
water, these are two different city-run utilities) flowing. They are
apparently installing EV chargers along parking strips in some areas.
How that actually works I don't know: does the user charge the cost on
a card?
The user has to pay to charge their vehicle. Think parking meters.
--is the homeowner stuck for the additional electricity used by
anyone who parks there and charges the car?
A recent discussion on Nextdoor, fueled by a suburb with lots a trees
and therefore lots of fallen power lines/poles in a recent major storm
("bomb tornado", IIRC), revealed that underground lines have problems
too. And cost a heck of a lot more to fix. But I suppose that depends,
to some extent, on the nature of ground they are under.
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