• Nebula finalists 2018

    From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 13 14:57:04 2025
    2018: The National School Walkout to protest school shootings is
    futile, Prince Harry marries outside the inbred aristocracy, greatly
    vexing Britain's thriving racist community, and Canada legalizes
    cannabis--wise move, given events to come--but somehow fucks up the
    cannabis store rollout.

    Which 2018 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?
    The Stone Sky by N. K. Jemisin
    Amberlough by Lara Elena Donnelly
    Autonomous by Annalee Newitz
    Jade City by Fonda Lee
    Six Wakes by Mur Lafferty
    Spoonbenders by Daryl Gregory
    The Strange Case of the Alchemist's Daughter by Theodora Goss

    The Jemisin, the Donnelly (which has aged incredibly well), the Lee,
    and the Lafferty.


    Which 2018 Nebula Finalist Novellas Have You Read?
    All Systems Red by Martha Wells
    And Then There Were (N Minus One) by Sarah Pinsker
    Barry's Deal by Lawrence M. Schoen
    Passing Strange by Ellen Klages
    River of Teeth by Sarah Gailey
    The Black Tides of Heaven by JY Yang

    The Wells, the Pinsker, the Gailey, and the Yang.


    Which 2018 Nebula Finalist Novelettes Have You Read?
    A Human Stain by Kelly Robson
    A Series of Steaks by Vina Jie-Min Prasad
    Dirty Old Town by Richard Bowes
    Small Changes Over Long Periods of Time by K. M. Szpara
    Weaponized Math by Colonel Jonathan P. Brazee
    Wind Will Rove by Sarah Pinsker

    Just the Pinsker.


    Which 2018 Nebula Finalist Short Stories Have You Read?
    Welcome to Your Authentic Indian Experience (tm) by Rebecca Roanhorse
    Carnival Nine by Caroline M. Yoachim
    Clearly Lettered in a Mostly Steady Hand by Fran Wilde
    Fandom for Robots by Vina Jie-Min Prasad
    The Last Novelist (or A Dead Lizard in the Yard) by Matthew Kressel
    Utopia, LOL? by Jamie Wahls

    None of them, as far as I am aware.
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  • From Robert Woodward@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Mon Jan 13 09:51:32 2025
    In article <vm39k0$5ib$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:

    2018: The National School Walkout to protest school shootings is
    futile, Prince Harry marries outside the inbred aristocracy, greatly
    vexing Britain's thriving racist community, and Canada legalizes cannabis--wise move, given events to come--but somehow fucks up the
    cannabis store rollout.

    Which 2018 Nebula Finalist

    AFACT, I have read none of the finalists

    --
    "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. ‹-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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  • From Default User@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Wed Jan 22 05:29:41 2025
    James Nicoll wrote:

    2018: The National School Walkout to protest school shootings is
    futile, Prince Harry marries outside the inbred aristocracy, greatly
    vexing Britain's thriving racist community, and Canada legalizes cannabis--wise move, given events to come--but somehow fucks up the
    cannabis store rollout.

    Which 2018 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?

    Six Wakes by Mur Lafferty

    This was a pretty good mystery in space.


    Which 2018 Nebula Finalist Novellas Have You Read?

    All Systems Red by Martha Wells

    One of my favorite stories, the lead novella in mone of my favorite
    series. If you like space opera, or SF adventure, or just a story with
    snarky narrator, I strongly suggest you try this. Sadly I had avoided
    it for years because I misunderstood what it was about.

    And Then There Were (N Minus One) by Sarah Pinsker

    I read this in an anthology, and just again recently when I got a
    collection of her stories. A tale of Sarah Pinsker attending a
    convention of Sarah Pinskers.

    Wind Will Rove by Sarah Pinsker

    Again, this was in the collection mentioned above. A generational
    colony ship deals with how much of the past to remember.

    Just the Pinsker.


    Which 2018 Nebula Finalist Short Stories Have You Read?
    Welcome to Your Authentic Indian Experience (tm) by Rebecca Roanhorse Carnival Nine by Caroline M. Yoachim
    Clearly Lettered in a Mostly Steady Hand by Fran Wilde
    Fandom for Robots by Vina Jie-Min Prasad
    The Last Novelist (or A Dead Lizard in the Yard) by Matthew Kressel
    Utopia, LOL? by Jamie Wahls

    None of them, as far as I am aware.

    None at this time, but I might search to see if some are online.


    Brian

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  • From Default User@21:1/5 to Robert Woodward on Wed Jan 22 05:30:41 2025
    Robert Woodward wrote:

    AFACT, I have read none of the finalists

    If I could recommend any to you, it would be All Systems Red.


    Brian

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  • From Robert Woodward@21:1/5 to Default User on Tue Jan 21 22:05:13 2025
    In article <vmpvq1$pns8$2@dont-email.me>,
    "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Robert Woodward wrote:

    AFACT, I have read none of the finalists

    If I could recommend any to you, it would be All Systems Red.


    I have seen many words of praise for that series, but I have hundreds of
    unread books and I am reluctant to start another series.

    --
    "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. ‹-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to robertaw@drizzle.com on Wed Jan 22 08:19:12 2025
    On Tue, 21 Jan 2025 22:05:13 -0800, Robert Woodward
    <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:

    In article <vmpvq1$pns8$2@dont-email.me>,
    "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Robert Woodward wrote:

    AFACT, I have read none of the finalists

    If I could recommend any to you, it would be All Systems Red.


    I have seen many words of praise for that series, but I have hundreds of >unread books and I am reluctant to start another series.

    I faced a similar (with fewer unread books) when I retired.

    I read fiction four hours a day, every day.

    I read with determination. I read with persistance. And, eventually, I
    caught up.

    So it can be done -- if it is approached as, if not a sacred duty, at
    least a job.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to robertaw@drizzle.com on Wed Jan 22 21:42:47 2025
    Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
    In article <vmpvq1$pns8$2@dont-email.me>,
    "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Robert Woodward wrote:

    AFACT, I have read none of the finalists
    If I could recommend any to you, it would be All Systems Red.

    I have seen many words of praise for that series, but I have hundreds of >unread books and I am reluctant to start another series.

    Don't read the series. Read the first book, maybe the first three books,
    and stop there. The first book is amazing but after a while there just
    isn't any point.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Chris Buckley@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Thu Jan 23 04:24:23 2025
    On 2025-01-22, Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
    In article <vmpvq1$pns8$2@dont-email.me>,
    "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Robert Woodward wrote:

    AFACT, I have read none of the finalists
    If I could recommend any to you, it would be All Systems Red.

    I have seen many words of praise for that series, but I have hundreds of >>unread books and I am reluctant to start another series.

    Don't read the series. Read the first book, maybe the first three books,
    and stop there. The first book is amazing but after a while there just
    isn't any point.
    --scott

    I'll echo Scott's advice. You absolutely should read the first book,
    but you don't need to read the series. The attraction is not the
    worldbuilding; it's not the changing or maturing of the main
    character; it's not the secondary characters. All of those
    might be reasons you want to keep on reading a series, but are
    not important here.

    Instead the primary attraction is the portrayal of the quirky main
    character. You gradually learn what Murderbot is like and Wells
    completely nails the character; she gets it perfectly right. You feel
    you know the essentials of Murderbot and you don't need more books
    except to solve a couple of minor mysteries.

    I happened to read _All Systems Red_ within a couple of days of it
    coming out since I like Wells. I re-read it that day (it's short). The
    next day I reported it here as the most enjoyable book I had read in
    several years. It's that good.

    Chris

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  • From Default User@21:1/5 to Robert Woodward on Thu Jan 23 06:59:36 2025
    Robert Woodward wrote:

    In article <vmpvq1$pns8$2@dont-email.me>,
    "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:

    If I could recommend any to you, it would be All Systems Red.


    I have seen many words of praise for that series, but I have hundreds
    of unread books and I am reluctant to start another series.

    The first four in the series are novella length, and I was able to get
    all as e-books from the library. Getting started should be relatively
    quick and easy. That's up to you of course.


    Brian

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  • From Default User@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Thu Jan 23 07:09:34 2025
    Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
    In article <vmpvq1$pns8$2@dont-email.me>,
    "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Robert Woodward wrote:

    AFACT, I have read none of the finalists
    If I could recommend any to you, it would be All Systems Red.

    I have seen many words of praise for that series, but I have
    hundreds of unread books and I am reluctant to start another series.

    Don't read the series. Read the first book, maybe the first three
    books, and stop there. The first book is amazing but after a while
    there just isn't any point.

    The first four novellas form a cohesive story. All Systems Red is only
    176 pages in hardback, so most readers could probably knock it off in
    one or two nights.


    Brian

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  • From Ahasuerus@21:1/5 to Chris Buckley on Thu Jan 23 13:30:49 2025
    On 1/22/2025 11:24 PM, Chris Buckley wrote:
    [snip]
    I happened to read _All Systems Red_ within a couple of days of it
    coming out since I like Wells. I re-read it that day (it's short). The
    next day I reported it here as the most enjoyable book I had read in
    several years. It's that good.

    I had a more muted -- but still positive -- reaction. Back in 2021 I wrote:

    I thought it was well written and quite funny in places but a little
    thin. Still, it was pretty good overall. It probably worked better for
    people who found the protagonist highly relatable.

    It got me thinking about the fact that fictional non-humans (robots,
    aliens, etc) are often fascinated with human culture. It probably tells
    us something about the current state of humans, but I am not sure what
    it is. I too find it attractive at the visceral level, but why? Is it a mammalian thing – we just want to cuddle? A psychological self-defense mechanism because otherwise we would be facing implacable, almost
    Lovecraftian, forces out in the cold of space? A desire for external affirmation, for someone to tell us that what we have produced is of
    universal value and not just a bunch of monkeys prancing in the dirt?

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 24 08:53:48 2025
    On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 13:30:49 -0500, Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com>
    wrote:

    On 1/22/2025 11:24 PM, Chris Buckley wrote:
    [snip]
    I happened to read _All Systems Red_ within a couple of days of it
    coming out since I like Wells. I re-read it that day (it's short). The
    next day I reported it here as the most enjoyable book I had read in
    several years. It's that good.

    I had a more muted -- but still positive -- reaction. Back in 2021 I wrote:

    I thought it was well written and quite funny in places but a little
    thin. Still, it was pretty good overall. It probably worked better for >people who found the protagonist highly relatable.

    It got me thinking about the fact that fictional non-humans (robots,
    aliens, etc) are often fascinated with human culture. It probably tells
    us something about the current state of humans, but I am not sure what
    it is. I too find it attractive at the visceral level, but why? Is it a >mammalian thing – we just want to cuddle? A psychological self-defense >mechanism because otherwise we would be facing implacable, almost >Lovecraftian, forces out in the cold of space? A desire for external >affirmation, for someone to tell us that what we have produced is of >universal value and not just a bunch of monkeys prancing in the dirt?

    Because human culture is all the author knows, and so it must, of
    necessity, be drawn on for much of the story's content?
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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