"NASA to study "city-killer" asteroid as odds of hitting Earth go up"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/nasa-to-study-city-killer- asteroid-as-odds-of-hitting-earth-go-up/ar-AA1yLdde
"Astronomers are enlisting the help of NASA's James Webb Space Telescope
to study an asteroid that has a small chance of striking Earth less than eight years from now. Characterized as a potential "city-killer," the asteroid was first detected in December and its odds of impacting our
planet have increased slightly since then, according to the European
Space Agency."
“The space rock is formally named 2024 YR4. Scientists say it currently carries a 2% risk of making contact with Earth when it eventually
reaches this part of the solar system on Dec. 22, 2032. Although the
asteroid will most likely pass by without issue, those tasked with
monitoring its physical attributes and potential have shifted upward the probability of a crash since 2024 YR4 was initially discovered.”
Am I the only person who is suspicious of NASA crying wolf ?
On 2/11/2025 5:12 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"NASA to study "city-killer" asteroid as odds of hitting Earth go up"I don't see any wolf crying. They are refining their data to improve
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/nasa-to-study-city-killer-
asteroid-as-odds-of-hitting-earth-go-up/ar-AA1yLdde
"Astronomers are enlisting the help of NASA's James Webb Space
Telescope to study an asteroid that has a small chance of striking
Earth less than eight years from now. Characterized as a potential
"city-killer," the asteroid was first detected in December and its odds
of impacting our planet have increased slightly since then, according
to the European Space Agency."
“The space rock is formally named 2024 YR4. Scientists say it currently
carries a 2% risk of making contact with Earth when it eventually
reaches this part of the solar system on Dec. 22, 2032. Although the
asteroid will most likely pass by without issue, those tasked with
monitoring its physical attributes and potential have shifted upward
the probability of a crash since 2024 YR4 was initially discovered.”
Am I the only person who is suspicious of NASA crying wolf ?
their accuracy.
On 2/11/2025 5:12 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"NASA to study "city-killer" asteroid as odds of hitting Earth go up"I don't see any wolf crying. They are refining their data to improve their accuracy.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/nasa-to-study-city-killer-
asteroid-as-odds-of-hitting-earth-go-up/ar-AA1yLdde
"Astronomers are enlisting the help of NASA's James Webb Space Telescope to >> study an asteroid that has a small chance of striking Earth less than eight >> years from now. Characterized as a potential "city-killer," the asteroid
was first detected in December and its odds of impacting our planet have
increased slightly since then, according to the European Space Agency."
“The space rock is formally named 2024 YR4. Scientists say it currently
carries a 2% risk of making contact with Earth when it eventually reaches
this part of the solar system on Dec. 22, 2032. Although the asteroid will >> most likely pass by without issue, those tasked with monitoring its
physical attributes and potential have shifted upward the probability of a >> crash since 2024 YR4 was initially discovered.”
Am I the only person who is suspicious of NASA crying wolf ?
Between now and May at least it won't match bird flu, Chinese
AI or constitutional upheaval at generating scary headlines.
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 08:52:00 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer wrote:
Between now and May at least it won't match bird flu, Chinese
AI or constitutional upheaval at generating scary headlines.
You forgot about the American AI.
"NASA to study "city-killer" asteroid as odds of hitting Earth go up"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/nasa-to-study-city-killer-asteroid-as-odds-of-hitting-earth-go-up/ar-AA1yLdde
"Astronomers are enlisting the help of NASA's James Webb Space Telescope
to study an asteroid that has a small chance of striking Earth less than >eight years from now. Characterized as a potential "city-killer," the >asteroid was first detected in December and its odds of impacting our
planet have increased slightly since then, according to the European
Space Agency."
The space rock is formally named 2024 YR4. Scientists say it currently >carries a 2% risk of making contact with Earth when it eventually
reaches this part of the solar system on Dec. 22, 2032. Although the >asteroid will most likely pass by without issue, those tasked with >monitoring its physical attributes and potential have shifted upward the >probability of a crash since 2024 YR4 was initially discovered.
Am I the only person who is suspicious of NASA crying wolf ?
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 2/11/2025 5:12 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"NASA to study "city-killer" asteroid as odds of hitting Earth go up"I don't see any wolf crying. They are refining their data to improve their >> accuracy.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/nasa-to-study-city-killer-
asteroid-as-odds-of-hitting-earth-go-up/ar-AA1yLdde
"Astronomers are enlisting the help of NASA's James Webb Space Telescope to
study an asteroid that has a small chance of striking Earth less than eight
years from now. Characterized as a potential "city-killer," the asteroid >>> was first detected in December and its odds of impacting our planet have >>> increased slightly since then, according to the European Space Agency."
The space rock is formally named 2024 YR4. Scientists say it currently >>> carries a 2% risk of making contact with Earth when it eventually reaches >>> this part of the solar system on Dec. 22, 2032. Although the asteroid will >>> most likely pass by without issue, those tasked with monitoring its
physical attributes and potential have shifted upward the probability of a >>> crash since 2024 YR4 was initially discovered.
Am I the only person who is suspicious of NASA crying wolf ?
This would be my interpretation. Plenty of time left, they are keeping an >eye on it. Will it hit? If not, no problem. If yes, where will it hit? If >random ocean, no problem. If not random ocean, maybe little bit problem.
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 11:28:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Telescope to
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 2/11/2025 5:12 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"NASA to study "city-killer" asteroid as odds of hitting Earth go up"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/nasa-to-study-city-killer-
asteroid-as-odds-of-hitting-earth-go-up/ar-AA1yLdde
"Astronomers are enlisting the help of NASA's James Webb Space
than eightstudy an asteroid that has a small chance of striking Earth less
years from now. Characterized as a potential "city-killer," the asteroid >>>> was first detected in December and its odds of impacting our planet have >>>> increased slightly since then, according to the European Space Agency." >>>>I don't see any wolf crying. They are refining their data to improve their >>> accuracy.
The space rock is formally named 2024 YR4. Scientists say it currently >>>> carries a 2% risk of making contact with Earth when it eventually reaches >>>> this part of the solar system on Dec. 22, 2032. Although the asteroid will >>>> most likely pass by without issue, those tasked with monitoring its
physical attributes and potential have shifted upward the probability of a >>>> crash since 2024 YR4 was initially discovered.
Am I the only person who is suspicious of NASA crying wolf ?
This would be my interpretation. Plenty of time left, they are keeping an >>eye on it. Will it hit? If not, no problem. If yes, where will it hit? If >>random ocean, no problem. If not random ocean, maybe little bit problem.
I suggest watching /Sudden Impact/ to get an idea of what a chunk of
space rock hitting an ocean can do.
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:38:13 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 08:52:00 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer wrote:
Between now and May at least it won't match bird flu, Chinese
AI or constitutional upheaval at generating scary headlines.
You forgot about the American AI.
That's old hat. Chinese AI has rendered it ... superfluous.
Kind of like Trump has Congress. And soon will the Courts.[1]
And, being an old fan of horror films, I /enjoy/ scary headlines. And
the various reactions to them, the more hysterical the better. For
each atrocity brings us closer to the inevitable denoument, whatever
that may be.
[1] As the judge in Watergate pointed out, the Federal Marshalls are
what the Court uses to enforce it edicts, and they are Federal
Employees. Which means the President can escape arrest by them by
simply telling them they are fired.
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 11:28:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 2/11/2025 5:12 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"NASA to study "city-killer" asteroid as odds of hitting Earth go up"I don't see any wolf crying. They are refining their data to improve their >>> accuracy.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/nasa-to-study-city-killer-
asteroid-as-odds-of-hitting-earth-go-up/ar-AA1yLdde
"Astronomers are enlisting the help of NASA's James Webb Space Telescope to
study an asteroid that has a small chance of striking Earth less than eight
years from now. Characterized as a potential "city-killer," the asteroid >>>> was first detected in December and its odds of impacting our planet have >>>> increased slightly since then, according to the European Space Agency." >>>>
“The space rock is formally named 2024 YR4. Scientists say it currently >>>> carries a 2% risk of making contact with Earth when it eventually reaches >>>> this part of the solar system on Dec. 22, 2032. Although the asteroid will >>>> most likely pass by without issue, those tasked with monitoring its
physical attributes and potential have shifted upward the probability of a >>>> crash since 2024 YR4 was initially discovered.”
Am I the only person who is suspicious of NASA crying wolf ?
This would be my interpretation. Plenty of time left, they are keeping an
eye on it. Will it hit? If not, no problem. If yes, where will it hit? If
random ocean, no problem. If not random ocean, maybe little bit problem.
I suggest watching /Sudden Impact/ to get an idea of what a chunk of
space rock hitting an ocean can do.
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:38:13 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
You forgot about the American AI.
That's old hat. Chinese AI has rendered it ... superfluous.
[1] As the judge in Watergate pointed out, the Federal Marshalls are
what the Court uses to enforce it edicts, and they are Federal
Employees. Which means the President can escape arrest by them by
simply telling them they are fired.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:38:13 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
You forgot about the American AI.
That's old hat. Chinese AI has rendered it ... superfluous.
Hitler destroyed his nuclear bomb program because he didn't believe in "Jewish Science." The thing is, science isn't Jewish or Aryan, it is
just science.
Likewise, AI isn't American or Chinese, it's just math. And when it is open-sourced it becomes math for everyone, too.
--scott
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 08:52:00 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer wrote:
Between now and May at least it won't match bird flu, Chinese AI or
constitutional upheaval at generating scary headlines.
You forgot about the American AI.
But something so complex as AI with computer vision must take umpteen
billion lines of code. How long would it take for American scientists to
read and understand the Chinese open source?
I was referring to headlines about Chinese prowess in AI
development overtaking American abilities.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:38:13 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
You forgot about the American AI.
That's old hat. Chinese AI has rendered it ... superfluous.
Hitler destroyed his nuclear bomb program because he didn't believe in >"Jewish Science." The thing is, science isn't Jewish or Aryan, it is
just science.
Likewise, AI isn't American or Chinese, it's just math. And when it is >open-sourced it becomes math for everyone, too.
On 13/02/25 06:00, Paul S Person wrote:
[1] As the judge in Watergate pointed out, the Federal Marshalls are
what the Court uses to enforce it edicts, and they are Federal
Employees. Which means the President can escape arrest by them by
simply telling them they are fired.
Unless they fire first. (Perhaps mistaking him for a dark skinned teen).
On 2/12/2025 3:59 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 2/12/2025 11:00 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:38:13 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 08:52:00 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer wrote:
Between now and May at least it won't match bird flu, Chinese
AI or constitutional upheaval at generating scary headlines.
You forgot about the American AI.
That's old hat. Chinese AI has rendered it ... superfluous.
Kind of like Trump has Congress. And soon will the Courts.[1]
And, being an old fan of horror films, I /enjoy/ scary headlines. And
the various reactions to them, the more hysterical the better. For
each atrocity brings us closer to the inevitable denoument, whatever
that may be.
[1] As the judge in Watergate pointed out, the Federal Marshalls are
what the Court uses to enforce it edicts, and they are Federal
Employees. Which means the President can escape arrest by them by
simply telling them they are fired.
Lincoln would have put the rogue judges in jail. At one point, Lincoln
had 2,300 ??? political people (newspaper editors, etc) in jail that
were actively fighting against the Civil War.
Lynn
Trump may have to put these rogue judges in jail. He has my ok.
On 2/12/2025 11:01 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 11:28:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 2/11/2025 5:12 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"NASA to study "city-killer" asteroid as odds of hitting Earth go up" >>>>>I don't see any wolf crying. They are refining their data to improve their
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/nasa-to-study-city-killer- >>>>> asteroid-as-odds-of-hitting-earth-go-up/ar-AA1yLdde
"Astronomers are enlisting the help of NASA's James Webb Space Telescope to
study an asteroid that has a small chance of striking Earth less than eight
years from now. Characterized as a potential "city-killer," the asteroid >>>>> was first detected in December and its odds of impacting our planet have >>>>> increased slightly since then, according to the European Space Agency." >>>>>
The space rock is formally named 2024 YR4. Scientists say it currently >>>>> carries a 2% risk of making contact with Earth when it eventually reaches >>>>> this part of the solar system on Dec. 22, 2032. Although the asteroid will
most likely pass by without issue, those tasked with monitoring its
physical attributes and potential have shifted upward the probability of a
crash since 2024 YR4 was initially discovered.
Am I the only person who is suspicious of NASA crying wolf ?
accuracy.
This would be my interpretation. Plenty of time left, they are keeping an >>> eye on it. Will it hit? If not, no problem. If yes, where will it hit? If >>> random ocean, no problem. If not random ocean, maybe little bit problem.
I suggest watching /Sudden Impact/ to get an idea of what a chunk of
space rock hitting an ocean can do.
Do you mean "Deep Impact" movie ? I love that movie, I have watched it >several times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W80IY4i6u4A
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 11:28:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 2/11/2025 5:12 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"NASA to study "city-killer" asteroid as odds of hitting Earth go up" >>>>>I don't see any wolf crying. They are refining their data to improve their
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/nasa-to-study-city-killer- >>>>> asteroid-as-odds-of-hitting-earth-go-up/ar-AA1yLdde
"Astronomers are enlisting the help of NASA's James Webb Space Telescope to
study an asteroid that has a small chance of striking Earth less than eight
years from now. Characterized as a potential "city-killer," the asteroid >>>>> was first detected in December and its odds of impacting our planet have >>>>> increased slightly since then, according to the European Space Agency." >>>>>
The space rock is formally named 2024 YR4. Scientists say it currently >>>>> carries a 2% risk of making contact with Earth when it eventually reaches >>>>> this part of the solar system on Dec. 22, 2032. Although the asteroid will
most likely pass by without issue, those tasked with monitoring its
physical attributes and potential have shifted upward the probability of a
crash since 2024 YR4 was initially discovered.
Am I the only person who is suspicious of NASA crying wolf ?
accuracy.
This would be my interpretation. Plenty of time left, they are keeping an >>> eye on it. Will it hit? If not, no problem. If yes, where will it hit? If >>> random ocean, no problem. If not random ocean, maybe little bit problem.
I suggest watching /Sudden Impact/ to get an idea of what a chunk of
space rock hitting an ocean can do.
I thought you smart enough not to assume random ocean meant 10 meters >outside new york.
Tsunami schnunami, we've dealth with that and survived. If we have a
couple of years advance warning we're good to go.
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 22:31:04 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
than eight
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 11:28:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 2/11/2025 5:12 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"NASA to study "city-killer" asteroid as odds of hitting Earth go up" >>>>>>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/nasa-to-study-city-killer- >>>>>> asteroid-as-odds-of-hitting-earth-go-up/ar-AA1yLdde
"Astronomers are enlisting the help of NASA's James Webb Space >Telescope to
study an asteroid that has a small chance of striking Earth less
asteroid willyears from now. Characterized as a potential "city-killer," the asteroid >>>>>> was first detected in December and its odds of impacting our planet have >>>>>> increased slightly since then, according to the European Space Agency." >>>>>>
The space rock is formally named 2024 YR4. Scientists say it currently >>>>>> carries a 2% risk of making contact with Earth when it eventually reaches
this part of the solar system on Dec. 22, 2032. Although the
probability of amost likely pass by without issue, those tasked with monitoring its >>>>>> physical attributes and potential have shifted upward the
improve theircrash since 2024 YR4 was initially discovered.I don't see any wolf crying. They are refining their data to
Am I the only person who is suspicious of NASA crying wolf ?
I suggest watching /Sudden Impact/ to get an idea of what a chunk ofaccuracy.
This would be my interpretation. Plenty of time left, they are keeping an >>>> eye on it. Will it hit? If not, no problem. If yes, where will it hit? If >>>> random ocean, no problem. If not random ocean, maybe little bit problem. >>>
space rock hitting an ocean can do.
I thought you smart enough not to assume random ocean meant 10 meters >>outside new york.
Tsunami schnunami, we've dealth with that and survived. If we have a
couple of years advance warning we're good to go.
First, as has been pointed out to me, the film I meant to cite was
/Deep Impact/.
Second, it is not "10 meters off New York".
Third, we had a year. We were /not/ good to go.
But I have also read a post with actual figures in it, so apparently
the film exaggerated things a bit.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:38:13 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
You forgot about the American AI.
That's old hat. Chinese AI has rendered it ... superfluous.
Hitler destroyed his nuclear bomb program because he didn't believe in "Jewish Science." The thing is, science isn't Jewish or Aryan, it is
just science.
Likewise, AI isn't American or Chinese, it's just math. And when it is open-sourced it becomes math for everyone, too.
--scott
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:59:49 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/12/2025 3:59 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 2/12/2025 11:00 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:38:13 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 08:52:00 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer wrote:
Between now and May at least it won't match bird flu, Chinese
AI or constitutional upheaval at generating scary headlines.
You forgot about the American AI.
That's old hat. Chinese AI has rendered it ... superfluous.
Kind of like Trump has Congress. And soon will the Courts.[1]
And, being an old fan of horror films, I /enjoy/ scary headlines. And
the various reactions to them, the more hysterical the better. For
each atrocity brings us closer to the inevitable denoument, whatever
that may be.
[1] As the judge in Watergate pointed out, the Federal Marshalls are
what the Court uses to enforce it edicts, and they are Federal
Employees. Which means the President can escape arrest by them by
simply telling them they are fired.
Lincoln would have put the rogue judges in jail. At one point, Lincoln
had 2,300 ??? political people (newspaper editors, etc) in jail that
were actively fighting against the Civil War.
Lynn
Trump may have to put these rogue judges in jail. He has my ok.
That would certainly speed things up ... to the inevitable denoument.
Whatever it may be.
Buckle up! Rough ride ahead!
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 22:31:04 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 11:28:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
I suggest watching /Sudden Impact/ to get an idea of what a chunk of
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 2/11/2025 5:12 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"NASA to study "city-killer" asteroid as odds of hitting Earth go up" >>>>>>I don't see any wolf crying. They are refining their data to improve their
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/nasa-to-study-city-killer- >>>>>> asteroid-as-odds-of-hitting-earth-go-up/ar-AA1yLdde
"Astronomers are enlisting the help of NASA's James Webb Space Telescope to
study an asteroid that has a small chance of striking Earth less than eight
years from now. Characterized as a potential "city-killer," the asteroid >>>>>> was first detected in December and its odds of impacting our planet have >>>>>> increased slightly since then, according to the European Space Agency." >>>>>>
“The space rock is formally named 2024 YR4. Scientists say it currently
carries a 2% risk of making contact with Earth when it eventually reaches
this part of the solar system on Dec. 22, 2032. Although the asteroid will
most likely pass by without issue, those tasked with monitoring its >>>>>> physical attributes and potential have shifted upward the probability of a
crash since 2024 YR4 was initially discovered.”
Am I the only person who is suspicious of NASA crying wolf ?
accuracy.
This would be my interpretation. Plenty of time left, they are keeping an >>>> eye on it. Will it hit? If not, no problem. If yes, where will it hit? If >>>> random ocean, no problem. If not random ocean, maybe little bit problem. >>>
space rock hitting an ocean can do.
I thought you smart enough not to assume random ocean meant 10 meters
outside new york.
Tsunami schnunami, we've dealth with that and survived. If we have a
couple of years advance warning we're good to go.
First, as has been pointed out to me, the film I meant to cite was
/Deep Impact/.
Second, it is not "10 meters off New York".
Third, we had a year. We were /not/ good to go.
But I have also read a post with actual figures in it, so apparently
the film exaggerated things a bit.
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:59:49 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/12/2025 3:59 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 2/12/2025 11:00 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:38:13 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: >>>>>
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 08:52:00 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer wrote:
Between now and May at least it won't match bird flu, Chinese
AI or constitutional upheaval at generating scary headlines.
You forgot about the American AI.
That's old hat. Chinese AI has rendered it ... superfluous.
Kind of like Trump has Congress. And soon will the Courts.[1]
And, being an old fan of horror films, I /enjoy/ scary headlines. And >>>>> the various reactions to them, the more hysterical the better. For
each atrocity brings us closer to the inevitable denoument, whatever >>>>> that may be.
[1] As the judge in Watergate pointed out, the Federal Marshalls are >>>>> what the Court uses to enforce it edicts, and they are Federal
Employees. Which means the President can escape arrest by them by
simply telling them they are fired.
Lincoln would have put the rogue judges in jail. At one point, Lincoln >>>> had 2,300 ??? political people (newspaper editors, etc) in jail that
were actively fighting against the Civil War.
Lynn
Trump may have to put these rogue judges in jail. He has my ok.
That would certainly speed things up ... to the inevitable denoument.
Whatever it may be.
Buckle up! Rough ride ahead!
Be safe Paul! I do not like your ideology, but I sometimes respect you as
a spiritual being!
Maybe buying a gun would be able to make you defend yourself better
against crazy republicans? ;)
In article <608sqjle4440ka7d2tnb3b8n1hjam30skt@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 22:31:04 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
than eight
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 11:28:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 2/11/2025 5:12 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"NASA to study "city-killer" asteroid as odds of hitting Earth go up" >>>>>>>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/nasa-to-study-city-killer- >>>>>>> asteroid-as-odds-of-hitting-earth-go-up/ar-AA1yLdde
"Astronomers are enlisting the help of NASA's James Webb Space >>Telescope to
study an asteroid that has a small chance of striking Earth less
asteroid willyears from now. Characterized as a potential "city-killer," the asteroid
was first detected in December and its odds of impacting our planet have
increased slightly since then, according to the European Space Agency." >>>>>>>
The space rock is formally named 2024 YR4. Scientists say it currently >>>>>>> carries a 2% risk of making contact with Earth when it eventually reaches
this part of the solar system on Dec. 22, 2032. Although the
probability of amost likely pass by without issue, those tasked with monitoring its >>>>>>> physical attributes and potential have shifted upward the
improve theircrash since 2024 YR4 was initially discovered.I don't see any wolf crying. They are refining their data to
Am I the only person who is suspicious of NASA crying wolf ?
I suggest watching /Sudden Impact/ to get an idea of what a chunk ofaccuracy.
This would be my interpretation. Plenty of time left, they are keeping an >>>>> eye on it. Will it hit? If not, no problem. If yes, where will it hit? If >>>>> random ocean, no problem. If not random ocean, maybe little bit problem. >>>>
space rock hitting an ocean can do.
I thought you smart enough not to assume random ocean meant 10 meters >>>outside new york.
Tsunami schnunami, we've dealth with that and survived. If we have a >>>couple of years advance warning we're good to go.
First, as has been pointed out to me, the film I meant to cite was
/Deep Impact/.
Second, it is not "10 meters off New York".
Third, we had a year. We were /not/ good to go.
But I have also read a post with actual figures in it, so apparently
the film exaggerated things a bit.
My numbers were for a dinky 8 MT impact, whereas Deep Impact involved
a rock the size of Everest. Whole different game.
Although in retrospect, I'd expect more re-entering ejecta than DI--
featured. The KT impact may have left little bits of charred dino-
saur on the Moon.
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 22:23:34 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:59:49 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/12/2025 3:59 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 2/12/2025 11:00 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:38:13 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 08:52:00 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer wrote:
Between now and May at least it won't match bird flu, Chinese
AI or constitutional upheaval at generating scary headlines.
You forgot about the American AI.
That's old hat. Chinese AI has rendered it ... superfluous.
Kind of like Trump has Congress. And soon will the Courts.[1]
And, being an old fan of horror films, I /enjoy/ scary headlines. And >>>>>> the various reactions to them, the more hysterical the better. For >>>>>> each atrocity brings us closer to the inevitable denoument, whatever >>>>>> that may be.
[1] As the judge in Watergate pointed out, the Federal Marshalls are >>>>>> what the Court uses to enforce it edicts, and they are Federal
Employees. Which means the President can escape arrest by them by
simply telling them they are fired.
Lincoln would have put the rogue judges in jail. At one point, Lincoln >>>>> had 2,300 ??? political people (newspaper editors, etc) in jail that >>>>> were actively fighting against the Civil War.
Lynn
Trump may have to put these rogue judges in jail. He has my ok.
That would certainly speed things up ... to the inevitable denoument.
Whatever it may be.
Buckle up! Rough ride ahead!
Be safe Paul! I do not like your ideology, but I sometimes respect you as
a spiritual being!
Maybe buying a gun would be able to make you defend yourself better
against crazy republicans? ;)
More likely, it would allow me to shoot myself in the foot. Literally.
Same reason I don't own a chainsaw.
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 22:23:34 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:59:49 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/12/2025 3:59 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 2/12/2025 11:00 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:38:13 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 08:52:00 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer wrote: >>>>>>>>
Between now and May at least it won't match bird flu, Chinese >>>>>>>>> AI or constitutional upheaval at generating scary headlines.
You forgot about the American AI.
That's old hat. Chinese AI has rendered it ... superfluous.
Kind of like Trump has Congress. And soon will the Courts.[1]
And, being an old fan of horror films, I /enjoy/ scary headlines. And >>>>>>> the various reactions to them, the more hysterical the better. For >>>>>>> each atrocity brings us closer to the inevitable denoument, whatever >>>>>>> that may be.
[1] As the judge in Watergate pointed out, the Federal Marshalls are >>>>>>> what the Court uses to enforce it edicts, and they are Federal
Employees. Which means the President can escape arrest by them by >>>>>>> simply telling them they are fired.
Lincoln would have put the rogue judges in jail. At one point, Lincoln >>>>>> had 2,300 ??? political people (newspaper editors, etc) in jail that >>>>>> were actively fighting against the Civil War.
Lynn
Trump may have to put these rogue judges in jail. He has my ok.
That would certainly speed things up ... to the inevitable denoument.
Whatever it may be.
Buckle up! Rough ride ahead!
Be safe Paul! I do not like your ideology, but I sometimes respect you as >>> a spiritual being!
Maybe buying a gun would be able to make you defend yourself better
against crazy republicans? ;)
More likely, it would allow me to shoot myself in the foot. Literally.
Same reason I don't own a chainsaw.
But surely in the US you must be able to find the very best education when >it comes to how to handle a gun? It's an invaluable life skill! =)
On a sad note, I think about how many lives could have been saved in the >recent swedish school shooting if only the students and/or teachers had
guns of their own. Then probably only 1 or 2 students would have died. =(
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 22:23:34 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:59:49 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/12/2025 3:59 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 2/12/2025 11:00 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:38:13 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 08:52:00 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer wrote:
Between now and May at least it won't match bird flu, Chinese
AI or constitutional upheaval at generating scary headlines.
You forgot about the American AI.
That's old hat. Chinese AI has rendered it ... superfluous.
Kind of like Trump has Congress. And soon will the Courts.[1]
And, being an old fan of horror films, I /enjoy/ scary headlines. And >>>>>> the various reactions to them, the more hysterical the better. For >>>>>> each atrocity brings us closer to the inevitable denoument, whatever >>>>>> that may be.
[1] As the judge in Watergate pointed out, the Federal Marshalls are >>>>>> what the Court uses to enforce it edicts, and they are Federal
Employees. Which means the President can escape arrest by them by
simply telling them they are fired.
Lincoln would have put the rogue judges in jail. At one point, Lincoln >>>>> had 2,300 ??? political people (newspaper editors, etc) in jail that >>>>> were actively fighting against the Civil War.
Lynn
Trump may have to put these rogue judges in jail. He has my ok.
That would certainly speed things up ... to the inevitable denoument.
Whatever it may be.
Buckle up! Rough ride ahead!
Be safe Paul! I do not like your ideology, but I sometimes respect you as
a spiritual being!
Maybe buying a gun would be able to make you defend yourself better
against crazy republicans? ;)
More likely, it would allow me to shoot myself in the foot. Literally.
Same reason I don't own a chainsaw.
But surely in the US you must be able to find the very best education when >> it comes to how to handle a gun? It's an invaluable life skill! =)
The Army taught me.
On a sad note, I think about how many lives could have been saved in the
recent swedish school shooting if only the students and/or teachers had
guns of their own. Then probably only 1 or 2 students would have died. =(
I'm not familiar with the specific situation, but two things occur:
1) If everybody is shooting, how are the Police supposed to take out
only the bad guys? It's a lot easier when there is a clear difference
between shooters and victims.
2) If that much lead is flying around, I would expect the death toll
to be /much/ higher.
I'm not familiar with the specific situation, but two things occur:
1) If everybody is shooting, how are the Police supposed to take out
only the bad guys? It's a lot easier when there is a clear difference
between shooters and victims.
2) If that much lead is flying around, I would expect the death toll
to be /much/ higher.
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 22:55:18 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 22:23:34 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:59:49 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/12/2025 3:59 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 2/12/2025 11:00 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:38:13 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 08:52:00 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer wrote: >>>>>>>>>
Between now and May at least it won't match bird flu, Chinese >>>>>>>>>> AI or constitutional upheaval at generating scary headlines. >>>>>>>>>You forgot about the American AI.
That's old hat. Chinese AI has rendered it ... superfluous.
Kind of like Trump has Congress. And soon will the Courts.[1]
And, being an old fan of horror films, I /enjoy/ scary headlines. And >>>>>>>> the various reactions to them, the more hysterical the better. For >>>>>>>> each atrocity brings us closer to the inevitable denoument, whatever >>>>>>>> that may be.
[1] As the judge in Watergate pointed out, the Federal Marshalls are >>>>>>>> what the Court uses to enforce it edicts, and they are Federal >>>>>>>> Employees. Which means the President can escape arrest by them by >>>>>>>> simply telling them they are fired.
Lincoln would have put the rogue judges in jail. At one point, Lincoln >>>>>>> had 2,300 ??? political people (newspaper editors, etc) in jail that >>>>>>> were actively fighting against the Civil War.
Lynn
Trump may have to put these rogue judges in jail. He has my ok.
That would certainly speed things up ... to the inevitable denoument. >>>>>
Whatever it may be.
Buckle up! Rough ride ahead!
Be safe Paul! I do not like your ideology, but I sometimes respect you as >>>> a spiritual being!
Maybe buying a gun would be able to make you defend yourself better
against crazy republicans? ;)
More likely, it would allow me to shoot myself in the foot. Literally.
Same reason I don't own a chainsaw.
But surely in the US you must be able to find the very best education when >>it comes to how to handle a gun? It's an invaluable life skill! =)
The Army taught me.
But no amount of training can make up for basic klutziness.
On a sad note, I think about how many lives could have been saved in the >>recent swedish school shooting if only the students and/or teachers had >>guns of their own. Then probably only 1 or 2 students would have died. =(
I'm not familiar with the specific situation, but two things occur:
1) If everybody is shooting, how are the Police supposed to take out
only the bad guys? It's a lot easier when there is a clear difference
between shooters and victims.
2) If that much lead is flying around, I would expect the death toll
to be /much/ higher.
On Sat, 15 Feb 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
But surely in the US you must be able to find the very best education when >>> it comes to how to handle a gun? It's an invaluable life skill! =)
The Army taught me.
That's fascinating! Did you ever kill anyone? How come you choose the army as >your employer?
On a sad note, I think about how many lives could have been saved in the >>> recent swedish school shooting if only the students and/or teachers hadI'm not familiar with the specific situation, but two things occur:
guns of their own. Then probably only 1 or 2 students would have died. =( >>
1) If everybody is shooting, how are the Police supposed to take out
only the bad guys? It's a lot easier when there is a clear difference
between shooters and victims.
Easy! If they would shoot the shooter, the police would not even have to get to
the place, so the problem will not arise.
Note that the police arrived after 5 minutes. Then they camped outside waiting >for thing to calm down for about 45 minutes, and then they went in and found the
killer who by that time had killed 10 and committed suicide.
Much better if a teacher had a gun and could just shoot the killer on sight.
Also, add to that the deterrence factor for the killer knowing that he goes into
a school where the employees are all carrying guns. Then he would not do it.
2) If that much lead is flying around, I would expect the death toll
to be /much/ higher.
Not correct statements. Obviously people are trained before being allowed to use
a gun. It is easy... you just point and click. I've done it myself on several >occasions (using targets, not humans!). =)
In article <1oruqj9fq3qifii7avmdl0issusb3hgf3l@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 22:23:34 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:59:49 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/12/2025 3:59 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 2/12/2025 11:00 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:38:13 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 08:52:00 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer wrote: >>>>>>>>
Between now and May at least it won't match bird flu, Chinese >>>>>>>>> AI or constitutional upheaval at generating scary headlines.
You forgot about the American AI.
That's old hat. Chinese AI has rendered it ... superfluous.
Kind of like Trump has Congress. And soon will the Courts.[1]
And, being an old fan of horror films, I /enjoy/ scary headlines. And >>>>>>> the various reactions to them, the more hysterical the better. For >>>>>>> each atrocity brings us closer to the inevitable denoument, whatever >>>>>>> that may be.
[1] As the judge in Watergate pointed out, the Federal Marshalls are >>>>>>> what the Court uses to enforce it edicts, and they are Federal
Employees. Which means the President can escape arrest by them by >>>>>>> simply telling them they are fired.
Lincoln would have put the rogue judges in jail. At one point, Lincoln >>>>>> had 2,300 ??? political people (newspaper editors, etc) in jail that >>>>>> were actively fighting against the Civil War.
Lynn
Trump may have to put these rogue judges in jail. He has my ok.
That would certainly speed things up ... to the inevitable denoument.
Whatever it may be.
Buckle up! Rough ride ahead!
Be safe Paul! I do not like your ideology, but I sometimes respect you as >>>a spiritual being!
Maybe buying a gun would be able to make you defend yourself better >>>against crazy republicans? ;)
More likely, it would allow me to shoot myself in the foot. Literally.
Same reason I don't own a chainsaw.
My older brother has had many fun adventures with chainsaws: nearly
crushed when a branch fell from the top of the elm he was bringing
down, had the chainsaw hit a knot and buck up towards his face,
bounced a running saw off his unprotected knee...
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 17:19:14 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:
In article <608sqjle4440ka7d2tnb3b8n1hjam30skt@4ax.com>,planet have
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 22:31:04 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 11:28:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 2/11/2025 5:12 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"NASA to study "city-killer" asteroid as odds of hitting Earth go up" >>>>>>>>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/nasa-to-study-city-killer- >>>>>>>> asteroid-as-odds-of-hitting-earth-go-up/ar-AA1yLdde
"Astronomers are enlisting the help of NASA's James Webb Space >>>Telescope to
study an asteroid that has a small chance of striking Earth less >>>than eight
years from now. Characterized as a potential "city-killer," the >asteroid
was first detected in December and its odds of impacting our
eventually reachesincreased slightly since then, according to the European Space Agency."
The space rock is formally named 2024 YR4. Scientists say it currently
carries a 2% risk of making contact with Earth when it
I suggest watching /Sudden Impact/ to get an idea of what a chunk of >>>>> space rock hitting an ocean can do.this part of the solar system on Dec. 22, 2032. Although the >>>asteroid willI don't see any wolf crying. They are refining their data to >>>improve their
most likely pass by without issue, those tasked with monitoring its >>>>>>>> physical attributes and potential have shifted upward the >>>probability of a
crash since 2024 YR4 was initially discovered.
Am I the only person who is suspicious of NASA crying wolf ?
accuracy.
This would be my interpretation. Plenty of time left, they are keeping an
eye on it. Will it hit? If not, no problem. If yes, where will it hit? If
random ocean, no problem. If not random ocean, maybe little bit problem. >>>>>
I thought you smart enough not to assume random ocean meant 10 meters >>>>outside new york.
Tsunami schnunami, we've dealth with that and survived. If we have a >>>>couple of years advance warning we're good to go.
First, as has been pointed out to me, the film I meant to cite was
/Deep Impact/.
Second, it is not "10 meters off New York".
Third, we had a year. We were /not/ good to go.
But I have also read a post with actual figures in it, so apparently
the film exaggerated things a bit.
My numbers were for a dinky 8 MT impact, whereas Deep Impact involved
a rock the size of Everest. Whole different game.
That's the one that hit the ocean, not the much larger planet-killer
to come, right?
So, what do the formulae show for the /Deep Impact/ ocean strike?
On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 22:32:11 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
But surely in the US you must be able to find the very best education when >>>> it comes to how to handle a gun? It's an invaluable life skill! =)
The Army taught me.
That's fascinating! Did you ever kill anyone? How come you choose the army as >>your employer?
It is part of Basic Training. And it was in 1969. There was this Draft
going on at the time.
I managed to /not/ get sent into a combat zone. And weapon useage was >strictly controlled in non-combat zones.
to get toOn a sad note, I think about how many lives could have been saved in the >>>> recent swedish school shooting if only the students and/or teachers had >>>> guns of their own. Then probably only 1 or 2 students would have died. =( >>>I'm not familiar with the specific situation, but two things occur:
1) If everybody is shooting, how are the Police supposed to take out
only the bad guys? It's a lot easier when there is a clear difference
between shooters and victims.
Easy! If they would shoot the shooter, the police would not even have
the place, so the problem will not arise.
You are missing the point: if you 30 3rd-graders all firing at random,
they will likely /all/ be dead very quickly. That the shooter dies as
well is no consolation, as it deprives the public of the satisfaction
of a trial.
That's fascinating! Did you ever kill anyone? How come you choose the army as
your employer?
It is part of Basic Training. And it was in 1969. There was this Draft
going on at the time.
I managed to /not/ get sent into a combat zone. And weapon useage was strictly controlled in non-combat zones.
On a sad note, I think about how many lives could have been saved in the >>>> recent swedish school shooting if only the students and/or teachers had >>>> guns of their own. Then probably only 1 or 2 students would have died. =( >>>I'm not familiar with the specific situation, but two things occur:
1) If everybody is shooting, how are the Police supposed to take out
only the bad guys? It's a lot easier when there is a clear difference
between shooters and victims.
Easy! If they would shoot the shooter, the police would not even have to get to
the place, so the problem will not arise.
You are missing the point: if you 30 3rd-graders all firing at random,
they will likely /all/ be dead very quickly. That the shooter dies as
well is no consolation, as it deprives the public of the satisfaction
of a trial.
Note that the police arrived after 5 minutes. Then they camped outside waiting
for thing to calm down for about 45 minutes, and then they went in and found the
killer who by that time had killed 10 and committed suicide.
Are you sure you aren't talking about a recent event in Texas?
Even for Texas, that behavior was ... substandard.
Much better if a teacher had a gun and could just shoot the killer on sight.
And then be shot by the police when they arrive, unless they follow
police instruction to "drop the weapon!".
Because, as far the responding officers can tell, the teacher /is/ the shooter because the teacher is holding a gun.
This sort of thing has happened in living memory (several years ago):
a homeowner shot an intruder, called the police, wandered outside with
the gun in his hand, and ignored them. His wife was a widow shortly thereafter.
Also, add to that the deterrence factor for the killer knowing that he goes into
a school where the employees are all carrying guns. Then he would not do it.
The only form of deterrence that works in capital punishment: a hanged
perp is a perp that is deterred from ever re-offending.
2) If that much lead is flying around, I would expect the death toll
to be /much/ higher.
Not correct statements. Obviously people are trained before being allowed to use
a gun. It is easy... you just point and click. I've done it myself on several
occasions (using targets, not humans!). =)
Depends on the State. And do you /really/ think 3rd-graders are going
to remember their training when they are excited?
You are missing the point: if you 30 3rd-graders all firing at random,
they will likely /all/ be dead very quickly. That the shooter dies as
well is no consolation, as it deprives the public of the satisfaction
of a trial.
In article <struqjd0up33dp7peo9h8bavv380j43efc@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 17:19:14 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (Jameswave height for an impact in deep water is roughly
Nicoll) wrote:
In article <608sqjle4440ka7d2tnb3b8n1hjam30skt@4ax.com>,planet have
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 22:31:04 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 11:28:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 2/11/2025 5:12 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"NASA to study "city-killer" asteroid as odds of hitting Earth go up" >>>>>>>>>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/nasa-to-study-city-killer- >>>>>>>>> asteroid-as-odds-of-hitting-earth-go-up/ar-AA1yLdde
"Astronomers are enlisting the help of NASA's James Webb Space >>>>Telescope to
study an asteroid that has a small chance of striking Earth less >>>>than eight
years from now. Characterized as a potential "city-killer," the >>asteroid
was first detected in December and its odds of impacting our
eventually reachesincreased slightly since then, according to the European Space Agency."
The space rock is formally named 2024 YR4. Scientists say it currently
carries a 2% risk of making contact with Earth when it
this part of the solar system on Dec. 22, 2032. Although the >>>>asteroid willI don't see any wolf crying. They are refining their data to >>>>improve their
most likely pass by without issue, those tasked with monitoring its >>>>>>>>> physical attributes and potential have shifted upward the >>>>probability of a
crash since 2024 YR4 was initially discovered.
Am I the only person who is suspicious of NASA crying wolf ? >>>>>>>>>
accuracy.
This would be my interpretation. Plenty of time left, they are keeping an
eye on it. Will it hit? If not, no problem. If yes, where will it hit? If
random ocean, no problem. If not random ocean, maybe little bit problem.
I suggest watching /Sudden Impact/ to get an idea of what a chunk of >>>>>> space rock hitting an ocean can do.
I thought you smart enough not to assume random ocean meant 10 meters >>>>>outside new york.
Tsunami schnunami, we've dealth with that and survived. If we have a >>>>>couple of years advance warning we're good to go.
First, as has been pointed out to me, the film I meant to cite was >>>>/Deep Impact/.
Second, it is not "10 meters off New York".
Third, we had a year. We were /not/ good to go.
But I have also read a post with actual figures in it, so apparently >>>>the film exaggerated things a bit.
My numbers were for a dinky 8 MT impact, whereas Deep Impact involved
a rock the size of Everest. Whole different game.
That's the one that hit the ocean, not the much larger planet-killer
to come, right?
So, what do the formulae show for the /Deep Impact/ ocean strike?
h = 6.5m [y/gigaton] 0.54 [1000km/r]
h = wave height
r = range to impact
y = yield
Idealised wave run in (which is to say, not applicable to any real region):
Xmax ~ 1.0km [h/10 meters]^[4/3]
Impact energy in Deep Impact seems to be 500,000 MT.
At 1000 km, the wave would be 6.5x500x.54 or about 1800 m, which seems
kind of bad.
h/10 is 180, so Xmax is almost exactly 1000 km, which also seems bad.
Mind you, that wave is going to have a heck of a time getting past
the Appalachians so Ontario should be fine.
On 17/02/25 05:29, Paul S Person wrote:
You are missing the point: if you 30 3rd-graders all firing at random,
they will likely /all/ be dead very quickly. That the shooter dies as
well is no consolation, as it deprives the public of the satisfaction
of a trial.
How would you determine who was the original shooter if they all die? >(Unless, of course, there was a muslim or failing that, a dark skinned >classmate.)
On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 16:40:22 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:
wave height for an impact in deep water is roughly
h = 6.5m [y/gigaton] 0.54 [1000km/r]
h = wave height
r = range to impact
y = yield
Idealised wave run in (which is to say, not applicable to any real region): >>
Xmax ~ 1.0km [h/10 meters]^[4/3]
Impact energy in Deep Impact seems to be 500,000 MT.
At 1000 km, the wave would be 6.5x500x.54 or about 1800 m, which seems
kind of bad.
It looks /very/ impressive in the movie!
h/10 is 180, so Xmax is almost exactly 1000 km, which also seems bad.
Mind you, that wave is going to have a heck of a time getting past
the Appalachians so Ontario should be fine.
The second one, had it hit, would have hit on the Canadian Shield
(IIRC). Bing suggests that this is not Ontario, but, since this is
"the planet-killer", not actually being hit wouldn't matter much.
In the film, we see it go up a valley while the survivors climb the >surrounding hills. This is the bit I am using as a counter-example to
the "water lapping gently at the seashore" nonsense promoted by some.
The coastal cities, of course, are gone. I would think Labrador would
be impacted as well, but I'm sure how far north of the impact they
are.
I seem to recall from the bit at the end indicating that the water
reached over the Appalachians into the Ohio valley (and related areas)
before receding. The amount of water and the force with which it moved
would, of course, be constantly reducing once it hit land.
So, yes, Ontario (and everything West of the Mississippi for that
matter) would have escaped.
You are missing the point: if you 30 3rd-graders all firing at random,
they will likely /all/ be dead very quickly. That the shooter dies as
well is no consolation, as it deprives the public of the satisfaction
of a trial.
How would you determine who was the original shooter if they all die? >(Unless, of course, there was a muslim or failing that, a dark skinned >classmate.)
On 2/16/2025 8:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
In article <sfh1rj17bhcuv2epvjnu9tr6fflui7oifm@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 22:55:18 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 22:23:34 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:59:49 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/12/2025 3:59 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:That would certainly speed things up ... to the inevitable denoument. >>>>>>>
On 2/12/2025 11:00 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:38:13 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 08:52:00 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
Between now and May at least it won't match bird flu, Chinese >>>>>>>>>>>> AI or constitutional upheaval at generating scary headlines. >>>>>>>>>>>You forgot about the American AI.
That's old hat. Chinese AI has rendered it ... superfluous. >>>>>>>>>>
Kind of like Trump has Congress. And soon will the Courts.[1] >>>>>>>>>>
And, being an old fan of horror films, I /enjoy/ scary headlines. >>>>>>>>>> And
the various reactions to them, the more hysterical the better. For >>>>>>>>>> each atrocity brings us closer to the inevitable denoument, >>>>>>>>>> whatever
that may be.
[1] As the judge in Watergate pointed out, the Federal Marshalls >>>>>>>>>> are
what the Court uses to enforce it edicts, and they are Federal >>>>>>>>>> Employees. Which means the President can escape arrest by them by >>>>>>>>>> simply telling them they are fired.
Lincoln would have put the rogue judges in jail. At one point, >>>>>>>>> Lincoln
had 2,300 ??? political people (newspaper editors, etc) in jail that >>>>>>>>> were actively fighting against the Civil War.
Lynn
Trump may have to put these rogue judges in jail. He has my ok. >>>>>>>
Whatever it may be.
Buckle up! Rough ride ahead!
Be safe Paul! I do not like your ideology, but I sometimes respect you >>>>>> as
a spiritual being!
Maybe buying a gun would be able to make you defend yourself better >>>>>> against crazy republicans? ;)
More likely, it would allow me to shoot myself in the foot. Literally. >>>>>
Same reason I don't own a chainsaw.
But surely in the US you must be able to find the very best education
when
it comes to how to handle a gun? It's an invaluable life skill! =)
The Army taught me.
But no amount of training can make up for basic klutziness.
On a sad note, I think about how many lives could have been saved in the >>>> recent swedish school shooting if only the students and/or teachers had >>>> guns of their own. Then probably only 1 or 2 students would have died. =( >>>I'm not familiar with the specific situation, but two things occur:
1) If everybody is shooting, how are the Police supposed to take out
only the bad guys? It's a lot easier when there is a clear difference
between shooters and victims.
2) If that much lead is flying around, I would expect the death toll
to be /much/ higher.
Americans, who are armed to the teeth, routinely send their little
darling off to heaven in batch lots, whereas I think the total
number of school shooting fatalities in Canada, where we're not
fucking deranged, is sixteen. Total. Not 'in the last five minutes',
but even.
On the plus side, death is probably a mercy for Americans kids.
James, that is not funny.
Lynn
In article <2hq6rjl8gsv2h80cljfoqt70pom5p58d5i@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 16:40:22 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James[on the Deep Impact impact]
Nicoll) wrote:
wave height for an impact in deep water is roughly
h = 6.5m [y/gigaton] 0.54 [1000km/r]
h = wave height
r = range to impact
y = yield
Idealised wave run in (which is to say, not applicable to any real region): >>>
Xmax ~ 1.0km [h/10 meters]^[4/3]
Impact energy in Deep Impact seems to be 500,000 MT.
At 1000 km, the wave would be 6.5x500x.54 or about 1800 m, which seems >>>kind of bad.
It looks /very/ impressive in the movie!
h/10 is 180, so Xmax is almost exactly 1000 km, which also seems bad. >>>Mind you, that wave is going to have a heck of a time getting past
the Appalachians so Ontario should be fine.
The second one, had it hit, would have hit on the Canadian Shield
(IIRC). Bing suggests that this is not Ontario, but, since this is
"the planet-killer", not actually being hit wouldn't matter much.
In the film, we see it go up a valley while the survivors climb the >>surrounding hills. This is the bit I am using as a counter-example to
the "water lapping gently at the seashore" nonsense promoted by some.
The coastal cities, of course, are gone. I would think Labrador would
be impacted as well, but I'm sure how far north of the impact they
are.
I seem to recall from the bit at the end indicating that the water
reached over the Appalachians into the Ohio valley (and related areas) >>before receding. The amount of water and the force with which it moved >>would, of course, be constantly reducing once it hit land.
So, yes, Ontario (and everything West of the Mississippi for that
matter) would have escaped.
I wonder how having billions of tons of salt water deposited affects
soil? Aside from the obvious erosion issues, I mean.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:38:13 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
You forgot about the American AI.
That's old hat. Chinese AI has rendered it ... superfluous.
Hitler destroyed his nuclear bomb program because he didn't believe in >"Jewish Science." The thing is, science isn't Jewish or Aryan, it is
just science.
Likewise, AI isn't American or Chinese, it's just math. And when it is >open-sourced it becomes math for everyone, too.
--scott
On 13 Feb 2025 00:25:58 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:38:13 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
You forgot about the American AI.
That's old hat. Chinese AI has rendered it ... superfluous.
Hitler destroyed his nuclear bomb program because he didn't believe in
"Jewish Science." The thing is, science isn't Jewish or Aryan, it is
just science.
Likewise, AI isn't American or Chinese, it's just math. And when it is
open-sourced it becomes math for everyone, too.
--scott
The main thing that derailed the German atomic bomb project was their
20-fold overestimate of the amount of uranium required to achieve
critical mass.
They had discovered that plutonium could be manufactured that would
reduce the critical mass but it was late 1943 by then and
Anglo-American bombing was starting to "bite". They never attempted
U-235 / U-238 separation (which is what the Hiroshima bomb was based
on, the Trinity test and Nagasaki bombs were both done with Plutonium)
I'm not aware that any German physicist either during or after the war
cited lack of Jewish physicists as having had a material impact on
their project. Nor do I know of any German physicists that joined the
AEC (in a similar way to the way von Braun and others joined NASA)
after the war.
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