In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and to my surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases I was expecting something better.
Of course other people may have different lists. And I did like Dune somewhat more the second time I saw it.
William Hyde
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, William Hyde wrote:
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and to my
surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases I was >> expecting something better.
Of course other people may have different lists. And I did like Dune
somewhat more the second time I saw it.
William Hyde
I agree with Dune. LOTR (b) I saw when I was 12, haven't seen it since, so >cannot say. I like 1. On my list are all the new star wars movies.
Absolutely horrible! They should have let the original 3 stand, and not >produce prequels that dishonored the memory of hte original. =(
D wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, William Hyde wrote:
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and to my >>> surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases I was >>> expecting something better.
Of course other people may have different lists. And I did like Dune
somewhat more the second time I saw it.
William Hyde
I agree with Dune. LOTR (b) I saw when I was 12, haven't seen it since, so >> cannot say. I like 1. On my list are all the new star wars movies.
Absolutely horrible! They should have let the original 3 stand, and not
produce prequels that dishonored the memory of hte original. =(
Yes, but those are not disappointments. They were expected to be bad, and fulfilled expectations perfectly.
William Hyde
In article <f0dc1e8c-b338-1261-cf4d-5ff6d5f503e4@example.net>,
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, William Hyde wrote:
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and to my >>> surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases I was >>> expecting something better.
Of course other people may have different lists. And I did like Dune
somewhat more the second time I saw it.
William Hyde
I agree with Dune. LOTR (b) I saw when I was 12, haven't seen it since, so >> cannot say. I like 1. On my list are all the new star wars movies.
Absolutely horrible! They should have let the original 3 stand, and not
produce prequels that dishonored the memory of hte original. =(
Rogue One is pretty good.
I actually quite enjoyed TFA, but then I didn't believe Han was
actually dead (I was pretty sure that with the big build-up on Maz,
her connection with the Force and having gotten a light saber
possibly through teleportational menas that she was going to pull
some mojo that would be revealed later. TMF me.)
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and to
my surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases I
was expecting something better.
A while back someone on the current films newsgroup was really talking
up the movie "Sunshine", saying what a great science fiction movie it
was. So I found it on DVD and watched it. Started off with a stupid
premise (a mission to re-ignite the sun with a nuclear bomb) and went >downhill from there. Turned into a really bad slasher flick in the
end. Terrible movie.
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:33:36 -0500, William Hyde
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and to
my surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases I
was expecting something better.
For me it's movies that look like they could be decent sci-fi movies
but turn out to be lame horror flicks.
A while back someone on the current films newsgroup was really talking
up the movie "Sunshine", saying what a great science fiction movie it
was. So I found it on DVD and watched it. Started off with a stupid
premise (a mission to re-ignite the sun with a nuclear bomb) and went >downhill from there. Turned into a really bad slasher flick in the
end. Terrible movie.
Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <f0dc1e8c-b338-1261-cf4d-5ff6d5f503e4@example.net>,
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, William Hyde wrote:
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and to my >>>> surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases I was >>>> expecting something better.
Of course other people may have different lists. And I did like Dune
somewhat more the second time I saw it.
William Hyde
I agree with Dune. LOTR (b) I saw when I was 12, haven't seen it since, so >>> cannot say. I like 1. On my list are all the new star wars movies.
Absolutely horrible! They should have let the original 3 stand, and not
produce prequels that dishonored the memory of hte original. =(
Rogue One is pretty good.
I don't subscribe to the SF channel, but they were on for free over the >holidays and I taped a pile of Star Wars films. So I was able to watch
Rogue one last night, and agree that it is better than most of the
others. Not a disappointment.
But it was just jam-packed with stupidity, which can work with a light >hearted space opera like Empire, but not in this case. It's nice that
the moral landscape of the characters is more complex, but that requires
a concomitant improvement in plotting to have any real effect.
Still, I enjoyed the first half of the movie. The second half I found
to be dreadful.
I didn't realize that there's an actor out there whose entire career
seems to be as zombie Peter Cushing.
I actually quite enjoyed TFA, but then I didn't believe Han was
actually dead (I was pretty sure that with the big build-up on Maz,
her connection with the Force and having gotten a light saber
possibly through teleportational menas that she was going to pull
some mojo that would be revealed later. TMF me.)
That I have yet to see.
I didn't realize that there's an actor out there whose entire career
seems to be as zombie Peter Cushing.
On 2/18/2025 3:30 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2025, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <f0dc1e8c-b338-1261-cf4d-5ff6d5f503e4@example.net>,
DÂ <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, William Hyde wrote:
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and to >>>>> my
surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases I >>>>> was
expecting something better.
Of course other people may have different lists. And I did like Dune >>>>> somewhat more the second time I saw it.
William Hyde
I agree with Dune. LOTR (b) I saw when I was 12, haven't seen it since, >>>> so
cannot say. I like 1. On my list are all the new star wars movies.
Absolutely horrible! They should have let the original 3 stand, and not >>>> produce prequels that dishonored the memory of hte original. =(
Rogue One is pretty good.
Maybe I shall have to look into Rogue one. Andor is pretty good. Maybe
Rogue one is too?
I actually quite enjoyed TFA, but then I didn't believe Han was
actually dead (I was pretty sure that with the big build-up on Maz,
her connection with the Force and having gotten a light saber
possibly through teleportational menas that she was going to pull
some mojo that would be revealed later. TMF me.)
"Rogue One" is awesome. It is based on the single line in the Star Wars IV movie (the first one), "Many Bothans ??? gave up their lives for this information.".
Lynn
Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
Rogue One is pretty good.
I don't subscribe to the SF channel, but they were on for free over the >holidays and I taped a pile of Star Wars films. So I was able to watch
Rogue one last night, and agree that it is better than most of the
others. Not a disappointment.
But it was just jam-packed with stupidity, which can work with a light >hearted space opera like Empire, but not in this case. It's nice that
the moral landscape of the characters is more complex, but that requires
a concomitant improvement in plotting to have any real effect.
Still, I enjoyed the first half of the movie. The second half I found
to be dreadful.
I didn't realize that there's an actor out there whose entire career
seems to be as zombie Peter Cushing.
On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 13:06:58 -0500, William Hyde
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
<snippo>
Rogue One is pretty good.
I don't subscribe to the SF channel, but they were on for free over the
holidays and I taped a pile of Star Wars films. So I was able to watch
Rogue one last night, and agree that it is better than most of the
others. Not a disappointment.
But it was just jam-packed with stupidity, which can work with a light
hearted space opera like Empire, but not in this case. It's nice that
the moral landscape of the characters is more complex, but that requires
a concomitant improvement in plotting to have any real effect.
Still, I enjoyed the first half of the movie. The second half I found
to be dreadful.
Yes, it /does/ rather resemble The Last Act of Hamlet, doesn't it.
Kind of a downer, especially the first time one sees it.
It came up in my daily rotation on Monday. I enjoyed it, as I always
do. So much that I didn't even /notice/ any "stupidity".
I didn't realize that there's an actor out there whose entire career
seems to be as zombie Peter Cushing.
As has been pointed out, this was CGI. As such, it's not half bad.
The real question is how did they get the Princess Leia from Episode
IV back on-screen at the end? More (and perhaps better) CGI? A double?
A ton of makeup?
On 2/19/2025 3:58 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2025, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 2/18/2025 3:30 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2025, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <f0dc1e8c-b338-1261-cf4d-5ff6d5f503e4@example.net>,
DÂ <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, William Hyde wrote:
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and to >>>>>>> my
surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases I >>>>>>> was
expecting something better.
Of course other people may have different lists. And I did like Dune >>>>>>> somewhat more the second time I saw it.
William Hyde
I agree with Dune. LOTR (b) I saw when I was 12, haven't seen it since, >>>>>> so
cannot say. I like 1. On my list are all the new star wars movies. >>>>>> Absolutely horrible! They should have let the original 3 stand, and not >>>>>> produce prequels that dishonored the memory of hte original. =(
Rogue One is pretty good.
Maybe I shall have to look into Rogue one. Andor is pretty good. Maybe >>>> Rogue one is too?
I actually quite enjoyed TFA, but then I didn't believe Han was
actually dead (I was pretty sure that with the big build-up on Maz,
her connection with the Force and having gotten a light saber
possibly through teleportational menas that she was going to pull
some mojo that would be revealed later. TMF me.)
"Rogue One" is awesome. It is based on the single line in the Star Wars >>> IV movie (the first one), "Many Bothans ??? gave up their lives for this >>> information.".
Lynn
Excellent! I shall have to look into this. Thank you!
Andor is the backstory for Rogue One, and both are excellent.
pt
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and to
my surprise they were all SF/F.
On 3/4/2025 12:30 AM, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
In article <vovrtm$18b9h$1@dont-email.me>,
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and to
my surprise they were all SF/F.
Jackson's Hobbit movies.
After the marvel that was his Lord of the Rings trilogy, I hardly
expected the Hobbit movies to be so very bad. (Maybe they were
OK-ish judged in isolation, but in comparison to his Lord of
the Rings movies, they suffered badly.)
Lindsey Ellis did a really excellent analysis as to why the Hobbit
films failed where the LotR films succeeded.
The Hobbit: A long awaited autopsy.
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTRUQ-RKfUs
The Hobbit: Battle of Five Studios
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElPJr_tKkO4
Part 1 is mostly about the difficulties of adapting
The Hobbit to a film, including the critical error of
expanding from 2 to 3 films at the last moment,
Part 2 is more about the tortured production process,
with the switch of director from del Toro to Jackson,
and the ultra-rushed schedule.
Its worth watching.
On 2/18/2025 3:30 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2025, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <f0dc1e8c-b338-1261-cf4d-5ff6d5f503e4@example.net>,
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, William Hyde wrote:
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and >>>>> to my
surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases >>>>> I was
expecting something better.
Of course other people may have different lists. And I did like Dune >>>>> somewhat more the second time I saw it.
William Hyde
I agree with Dune. LOTR (b) I saw when I was 12, haven't seen it
since, so
cannot say. I like 1. On my list are all the new star wars movies.
Absolutely horrible! They should have let the original 3 stand, and not >>>> produce prequels that dishonored the memory of hte original. =(
Rogue One is pretty good.
Maybe I shall have to look into Rogue one. Andor is pretty good. Maybe
Rogue one is too?
I actually quite enjoyed TFA, but then I didn't believe Han was
actually dead (I was pretty sure that with the big build-up on Maz,
her connection with the Force and having gotten a light saber
possibly through teleportational menas that she was going to pull
some mojo that would be revealed later. TMF me.)
"Rogue One" is awesome. It is based on the single line in the Star Wars
IV movie (the first one), "Many Bothans ??? gave up their lives for this >information.".
On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 19:59:32 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/18/2025 3:30 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2025, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <f0dc1e8c-b338-1261-cf4d-5ff6d5f503e4@example.net>,
DÂ <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, William Hyde wrote:
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and >>>>>> to my
surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases >>>>>> I was
expecting something better.
Of course other people may have different lists. And I did like Dune >>>>>> somewhat more the second time I saw it.
William Hyde
I agree with Dune. LOTR (b) I saw when I was 12, haven't seen it
since, so
cannot say. I like 1. On my list are all the new star wars movies.
Absolutely horrible! They should have let the original 3 stand, and not >>>>> produce prequels that dishonored the memory of hte original. =(
Rogue One is pretty good.
Maybe I shall have to look into Rogue one. Andor is pretty good. Maybe
Rogue one is too?
I actually quite enjoyed TFA, but then I didn't believe Han was
actually dead (I was pretty sure that with the big build-up on Maz,
her connection with the Force and having gotten a light saber
possibly through teleportational menas that she was going to pull
some mojo that would be revealed later. TMF me.)
"Rogue One" is awesome. It is based on the single line in the Star Wars
IV movie (the first one), "Many Bothans ??? gave up their lives for this
information.".
/A New Hope/ (aka Star Wars IV) came up for viewing about a week ago.
That line was not in it.
As noted above, Rogue One is preceded by the series 'Andor', which
shows the very early days of the Rebellion, and the radicalization
of Cassian Andor, the protagonist of Rogue One.
To my mind, its the best piece of SW material since the original
trilogy, and maybe the best piece of SW media, period.
Its a very slow burn, and lacks cutesy aliens, children, and much
in the way of space battles. Its a series best appreciated by
adults, dealing with the gradual radicalization of the title
character.
Here's one non-spoiler clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3RCme2zZRY
Andy Serkis has a major role in the second act, without
Gollum makeup. He's superb.
pt
On 3/5/2025 8:18 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 3/5/2025 8:46 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 19:59:32 -0600, Lynn McGuireLucas kept re-editing the original trilogy so one can no longer be
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/18/2025 3:30 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2025, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <f0dc1e8c-b338-1261-cf4d-5ff6d5f503e4@example.net>,
DÂ <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, William Hyde wrote:
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and >>>>>>>> to my
surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these >>>>>>>> cases
I was
expecting something better.
Of course other people may have different lists. And I did like >>>>>>>> Dune
somewhat more the second time I saw it.
William Hyde
I agree with Dune. LOTR (b) I saw when I was 12, haven't seen it >>>>>>> since, so
cannot say. I like 1. On my list are all the new star wars movies. >>>>>>> Absolutely horrible! They should have let the original 3 stand,
and not
produce prequels that dishonored the memory of hte original. =(
Rogue One is pretty good.
Maybe I shall have to look into Rogue one. Andor is pretty good. Maybe >>>>> Rogue one is too?
I actually quite enjoyed TFA, but then I didn't believe Han was
actually dead (I was pretty sure that with the big build-up on Maz, >>>>>> her connection with the Force and having gotten a light saber
possibly through teleportational menas that she was going to pull
some mojo that would be revealed later. TMF me.)
"Rogue One" is awesome. It is based on the single line in the Star
Wars
IV movie (the first one), "Many Bothans ??? gave up their lives for
this
information.".
/A New Hope/ (aka Star Wars IV) came up for viewing about a week ago.
That line was not in it.
certain exactly WHICH version you will be watching unless you have it
on disc.
Han shot Greedo first ! I have it on VHS.
On 3/5/2025 11:46 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 19:59:32 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/18/2025 3:30 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2025, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <f0dc1e8c-b338-1261-cf4d-5ff6d5f503e4@example.net>,
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, William Hyde wrote:
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and >>>>>>> to my
surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases >>>>>>> I was
expecting something better.
Of course other people may have different lists. And I did like Dune >>>>>>> somewhat more the second time I saw it.
William Hyde
I agree with Dune. LOTR (b) I saw when I was 12, haven't seen it
since, so
cannot say. I like 1. On my list are all the new star wars movies. >>>>>> Absolutely horrible! They should have let the original 3 stand, and not >>>>>> produce prequels that dishonored the memory of hte original. =(
Rogue One is pretty good.
Maybe I shall have to look into Rogue one. Andor is pretty good. Maybe >>>> Rogue one is too?
I actually quite enjoyed TFA, but then I didn't believe Han was
actually dead (I was pretty sure that with the big build-up on Maz,
her connection with the Force and having gotten a light saber
possibly through teleportational menas that she was going to pull
some mojo that would be revealed later. TMF me.)
"Rogue One" is awesome. It is based on the single line in the Star Wars >>> IV movie (the first one), "Many Bothans ??? gave up their lives for this >>> information.".
/A New Hope/ (aka Star Wars IV) came up for viewing about a week ago.
That line was not in it.
I certainly do remember it. I suspect I will hear it again when I
watch /The Return of the Jedi/ within the next week or so. In that
case, it refers to the information that the Emperor is residing on the
new Death Star and perhaps also the misinformation that that Death
Star is not operational.
Which doesn't prevent someone involved in making /Rogue One/ from
claiming that they were basing it on that line. It would, however,
show why I don't put a lot of stock in "making of" documentaries,
since it would be clearly wrong.
I saw /The Empire Strikes Back/ last night. The two-seater aircraft
(pilot and gunner, back to back) used to attack Imperial Walkers
towards the start of the film are "Rogue 2", Rogue 3", and Rogue 4",
per the credits not just on IMDb but shown on the film itself --
which, BTW, is the original unaltered LD version Lucas grudgingly
allowed to be put out on an extras disk. Hey, at least it letterboxed!
No "Rogue 1" is listed, but then, that call sign was no doubt retired
after the events in /Rogue One/.
As noted above, Rogue One is preceded by the series 'Andor', which
shows the very early days of the Rebellion, and the radicalization
of Cassian Andor, the protagonist of Rogue One.
To my mind, its the best piece of SW material since the original
trilogy, and maybe the best piece of SW media, period.
Its a very slow burn, and lacks cutesy aliens, children, and much
in the way of space battles. Its a series best appreciated by
adults, dealing with the gradual radicalization of the title
character.
Here's one non-spoiler clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3RCme2zZRY
Andy Serkis has a major role in the second act, without
Gollum makeup. He's superb.
On 3/5/2025 8:46 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 19:59:32 -0600, Lynn McGuireLucas kept re-editing the original trilogy so one can no longer be
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/18/2025 3:30 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2025, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <f0dc1e8c-b338-1261-cf4d-5ff6d5f503e4@example.net>,
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, William Hyde wrote:
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and >>>>>>> to my
surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases >>>>>>> I was
expecting something better.
Of course other people may have different lists. And I did like Dune >>>>>>> somewhat more the second time I saw it.
William Hyde
I agree with Dune. LOTR (b) I saw when I was 12, haven't seen it
since, so
cannot say. I like 1. On my list are all the new star wars movies. >>>>>> Absolutely horrible! They should have let the original 3 stand, and not >>>>>> produce prequels that dishonored the memory of hte original. =(
Rogue One is pretty good.
Maybe I shall have to look into Rogue one. Andor is pretty good. Maybe >>>> Rogue one is too?
I actually quite enjoyed TFA, but then I didn't believe Han was
actually dead (I was pretty sure that with the big build-up on Maz,
her connection with the Force and having gotten a light saber
possibly through teleportational menas that she was going to pull
some mojo that would be revealed later. TMF me.)
"Rogue One" is awesome. It is based on the single line in the Star Wars >>> IV movie (the first one), "Many Bothans ??? gave up their lives for this >>> information.".
/A New Hope/ (aka Star Wars IV) came up for viewing about a week ago.
That line was not in it.
certain exactly WHICH version you will be watching unless you have it on >disc.
Its a very slow burn, and lacks cutesy aliens, children, and much
in the way of space battles. Its a series best appreciated by
adults, dealing with the gradual radicalization of the title
character.
That's nice, but I've given up on series, TV or streaming.
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
Its a very slow burn, and lacks cutesy aliens, children, and much
in the way of space battles. Its a series best appreciated by
adults, dealing with the gradual radicalization of the title
character.
That's nice, but I've given up on series, TV or streaming.
Why? You could always torrent them and watch them on your computer for free.
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 22:45:37 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
Its a very slow burn, and lacks cutesy aliens, children, and much
in the way of space battles. Its a series best appreciated by
adults, dealing with the gradual radicalization of the title
character.
That's nice, but I've given up on series, TV or streaming.
Why? You could always torrent them and watch them on your computer for free.
Because, with few exceptions, they tell one story per season, and so
drag on and on like a soap opera. Despite all the action, they are
boring.
Exceptions include: the original Perry Mason TV shows (mostly B&W); a two-season series about a giant bug and a reluctant superhero; and
that's about it as far as streaming goes. Oh, there was a Spanish one involving a very modern girl in 1940s Spain whose father was a
policeman and who wanted to be one herself (which was, of course, not
allowed in that culture at that time). Others I have tried may have
been very exciting but, at the end of each episode, left me realizing
just how little progress in the story had been made. And, at the end
of the season, how unfinished the entire overall story was.
Ultimately, I decided that, if I could not sleep, spending my time contemplatiing my toes was preferable to streaming a series episode.
And the ones I watched were all free, at least in the sense of being
included in a subscription used for streaming movies.
I recommend The night manager
On Tue, 17 Feb 2025, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article<f0dc1e8c-b338-1261-cf4d-5ff6d5f503e4@example.net>,
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, William Hyde wrote:
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and to my
surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases I was
expecting something better.
Of course other people may have different lists. And I did like Dune somewhat more the second time I saw it.
William Hyde
I agree with Dune. LOTR (b) I saw when I was 12, haven't seen it since, so
cannot say. I like 1. On my list are all the new star wars movies. Absolutely horrible! They should have let the original 3 stand, and not produce prequels that dishonored the memory of hte original. =(
Rogue One is pretty good.
Maybe I shall have to look into Rogue one. Andor is pretty good. Maybe
Rogue one is too?
I actually quite enjoyed TFA, but then I didn't believe Han was
actually dead (I was pretty sure that with the big build-up on Maz,
her connection with the Force and having gotten a light saber
possibly through teleportational menas that she was going to pull
some mojo that would be revealed later. TMF me.)
D wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, William Hyde wrote:
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and to
my surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases I was expecting something better.
Of course other people may have different lists. And I did like Dune somewhat more the second time I saw it.
William Hyde
I agree with Dune. LOTR (b) I saw when I was 12, haven't seen it since,
so cannot say. I like 1. On my list are all the new star wars movies. Absolutely horrible! They should have let the original 3 stand, and not produce prequels that dishonored the memory of hte original. =(
Yes, but those are not disappointments. They were expected to be bad,
and fulfilled expectations perfectly.
William Hyde
On 2/18/2025 3:30 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2025, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article<f0dc1e8c-b338-1261-cf4d-5ff6d5f503e4@example.net>,
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, William Hyde wrote:
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and to my
surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases I was
expecting something better.
Of course other people may have different lists. And I did like Dune somewhat more the second time I saw it.
William Hyde
I agree with Dune. LOTR (b) I saw when I was 12, haven't seen it
since, so
cannot say. I like 1. On my list are all the new star wars movies. Absolutely horrible! They should have let the original 3 stand, and not produce prequels that dishonored the memory of hte original. =(
Rogue One is pretty good.
Maybe I shall have to look into Rogue one. Andor is pretty good. Maybe Rogue one is too?
I actually quite enjoyed TFA, but then I didn't believe Han was
actually dead (I was pretty sure that with the big build-up on Maz,
her connection with the Force and having gotten a light saber
possibly through teleportational menas that she was going to pull
some mojo that would be revealed later. TMF me.)
"Rogue One" is awesome. It is based on the single line in the Star Wars
IV movie (the first one), "Many Bothans ??? gave up their lives for this information.".
Lynn
Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article<f0dc1e8c-b338-1261-cf4d-5ff6d5f503e4@example.net>,
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, William Hyde wrote:
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and to my
surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases I was
expecting something better.
Of course other people may have different lists. And I did like Dune somewhat more the second time I saw it.
William Hyde
I agree with Dune. LOTR (b) I saw when I was 12, haven't seen it since, so
cannot say. I like 1. On my list are all the new star wars movies. Absolutely horrible! They should have let the original 3 stand, and not produce prequels that dishonored the memory of hte original. =(
Rogue One is pretty good.
I don't subscribe to the SF channel, but they were on for free over the holidays and I taped a pile of Star Wars films. So I was able to watch
Rogue one last night, and agree that it is better than most of the
others. Not a disappointment.
But it was just jam-packed with stupidity, which can work with a light hearted space opera like Empire, but not in this case. It's nice that
the moral landscape of the characters is more complex, but that requires
a concomitant improvement in plotting to have any real effect.
Still, I enjoyed the first half of the movie. The second half I found
to be dreadful.
I didn't realize that there's an actor out there whose entire career
seems to be as zombie Peter Cushing.
I actually quite enjoyed TFA, but then I didn't believe Han was
actually dead (I was pretty sure that with the big build-up on Maz,
her connection with the Force and having gotten a light saber
possibly through teleportational menas that she was going to pull
some mojo that would be revealed later. TMF me.)
That I have yet to see.
William Hyde
On Feb 18, 2025, Lynn McGuire wrote
(in article <vp3du5$1v8ri$1@dont-email.me>):
On 2/18/2025 3:30 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2025, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article<f0dc1e8c-b338-1261-cf4d-5ff6d5f503e4@example.net>,
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, William Hyde wrote:
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and >> > > > > to my
surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases >> > > > > I was
expecting something better.
Of course other people may have different lists. And I did like Dune >> > > > > somewhat more the second time I saw it.
William Hyde
I agree with Dune. LOTR (b) I saw when I was 12, haven't seen it
since, so
cannot say. I like 1. On my list are all the new star wars movies.
Absolutely horrible! They should have let the original 3 stand, and not
produce prequels that dishonored the memory of hte original. =(
Rogue One is pretty good.
Maybe I shall have to look into Rogue one. Andor is pretty good. Maybe
Rogue one is too?
I actually quite enjoyed TFA, but then I didn't believe Han was
actually dead (I was pretty sure that with the big build-up on Maz,
her connection with the Force and having gotten a light saber
possibly through teleportational menas that she was going to pull
some mojo that would be revealed later. TMF me.)
"Rogue One" is awesome. It is based on the single line in the Star Wars
IV movie (the first one), "Many Bothans ??? gave up their lives for this
information.".
Lynn
the ‘Bothan’ line was from Return of the Jedi; Senator Useless was
filling time. Rogue One tells exactly how the Princess got the Death Star >data, and why Anakin was so annoyed at her lying right to his face that he >didn’t recognize his daughter.
On 3/6/2025 10:56 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 21:10:09 -0500, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 3/5/2025 11:46 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 19:59:32 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/18/2025 3:30 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2025, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <f0dc1e8c-b338-1261-cf4d-5ff6d5f503e4@example.net>,
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Rogue One is pretty good.
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, William Hyde wrote:
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and >>>>>>>>> to my
surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases >>>>>>>>> I was
expecting something better.
Of course other people may have different lists. And I did like Dune >>>>>>>>> somewhat more the second time I saw it.
William Hyde
I agree with Dune. LOTR (b) I saw when I was 12, haven't seen it >>>>>>>> since, so
cannot say. I like 1. On my list are all the new star wars movies. >>>>>>>> Absolutely horrible! They should have let the original 3 stand, and not
produce prequels that dishonored the memory of hte original. =( >>>>>>>
Maybe I shall have to look into Rogue one. Andor is pretty good. Maybe >>>>>> Rogue one is too?
I actually quite enjoyed TFA, but then I didn't believe Han was
actually dead (I was pretty sure that with the big build-up on Maz, >>>>>>> her connection with the Force and having gotten a light saber
possibly through teleportational menas that she was going to pull >>>>>>> some mojo that would be revealed later. TMF me.)
"Rogue One" is awesome. It is based on the single line in the Star Wars >>>>> IV movie (the first one), "Many Bothans ??? gave up their lives for this >>>>> information.".
/A New Hope/ (aka Star Wars IV) came up for viewing about a week ago.
That line was not in it.
I certainly do remember it. I suspect I will hear it again when I
watch /The Return of the Jedi/ within the next week or so. In that
case, it refers to the information that the Emperor is residing on the >>>> new Death Star and perhaps also the misinformation that that Death
Star is not operational.
Which doesn't prevent someone involved in making /Rogue One/ from
claiming that they were basing it on that line. It would, however,
show why I don't put a lot of stock in "making of" documentaries,
since it would be clearly wrong.
I saw /The Empire Strikes Back/ last night. The two-seater aircraft
(pilot and gunner, back to back) used to attack Imperial Walkers
towards the start of the film are "Rogue 2", Rogue 3", and Rogue 4",
per the credits not just on IMDb but shown on the film itself --
which, BTW, is the original unaltered LD version Lucas grudgingly
allowed to be put out on an extras disk. Hey, at least it letterboxed! >>>> No "Rogue 1" is listed, but then, that call sign was no doubt retired
after the events in /Rogue One/.
As noted above, Rogue One is preceded by the series 'Andor', which
shows the very early days of the Rebellion, and the radicalization
of Cassian Andor, the protagonist of Rogue One.
Well, one of the major characters, anyway.
The main character is the daughter of the scientist who made the Death
Work ... and made it vulnerable as well. She would be /the/
protagonist, if there is only one.
Since a film can have multiple protagonists, he can be considered /a/
protagonist, but certainly not /the/ protagonist.
To my mind, its the best piece of SW material since the original
trilogy, and maybe the best piece of SW media, period.
Its a very slow burn, and lacks cutesy aliens, children, and much
in the way of space battles. Its a series best appreciated by
adults, dealing with the gradual radicalization of the title
character.
That's nice, but I've given up on series, TV or streaming.
Here's one non-spoiler clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3RCme2zZRY
Andy Serkis has a major role in the second act, without
Gollum makeup. He's superb.
Huh. I thought that was CGI, not makeup. Didn't the "making of" show
him in a motion capture harness?
I guess that depends on your definition of 'makeup'. Does greasepaint
count, but not digital paint?
In Andor, you see him with a minimum of makeup.
In article <f0dc1e8c-b338-1261-cf4d-5ff6d5f503e4@example.net>,
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, William Hyde wrote:
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and to my >>> surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases I was >>> expecting something better.
Of course other people may have different lists. And I did like Dune
somewhat more the second time I saw it.
William Hyde
I agree with Dune. LOTR (b) I saw when I was 12, haven't seen it since, so >>cannot say. I like 1. On my list are all the new star wars movies. >>Absolutely horrible! They should have let the original 3 stand, and not >>produce prequels that dishonored the memory of hte original. =(
Rogue One is pretty good.
I actually quite enjoyed TFA, but then I didn't believe Han was
actually dead (I was pretty sure that with the big build-up on Maz,
her connection with the Force and having gotten a light saber
possibly through teleportational menas that she was going to pull
some mojo that would be revealed later. TMF me.)
On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 10:23:19 -0500, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
Part 1 is mostly about the difficulties of adapting
The Hobbit to a film, including the critical error of
expanding from 2 to 3 films at the last moment,
In addition to the even more critical error of thinking it needed 2
films to begin with.
Rankin-Bass did it in 80 minutes. Adding Beorn back would have
stretched to ... maybe 90 minutes.
On 8/03/25 10:00, D wrote:
I recommend The night manager
The Night Manager was great until the ending where it became the most disappointing because the resolution was the exact opposite to that in
the book by Le Carre which was reversed because, in films, good guys are
the CIA and bad guys are Arabs.
On Feb 18, 2025, D wrote
(in article<ccfafd92-78a6-f626-3765-7dfd08946d58@example.net>):
On Tue, 17 Feb 2025, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article<f0dc1e8c-b338-1261-cf4d-5ff6d5f503e4@example.net>,
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, William Hyde wrote:
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and to my >>>>> surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases I was
expecting something better.
Of course other people may have different lists. And I did like Dune >>>>> somewhat more the second time I saw it.
William Hyde
I agree with Dune. LOTR (b) I saw when I was 12, haven't seen it since, so >>>> cannot say. I like 1. On my list are all the new star wars movies.
Absolutely horrible! They should have let the original 3 stand, and not >>>> produce prequels that dishonored the memory of hte original. =(
Rogue One is pretty good.
Maybe I shall have to look into Rogue one. Andor is pretty good. Maybe
Rogue one is too?
Rogue One is either the best or the second best, after Empire, Star Wars movie ever. Rogue One was the first Star Wars movie since Return of the Jedi that I went out and bought the DVD. Rogue One has several of the most awesome scenes ever in Star Wars, especially including Anakin Skywalker running wild on a rebel ship.
I actually quite enjoyed TFA, but then I didn't believe Han was
actually dead (I was pretty sure that with the big build-up on Maz,
her connection with the Force and having gotten a light saber
possibly through teleportational menas that she was going to pull
some mojo that would be revealed later. TMF me.)
D wrote:
On Fri, 7 Mar 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 22:45:37 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
Its a very slow burn, and lacks cutesy aliens, children, and much
in the way of space battles. Its a series best appreciated by
adults, dealing with the gradual radicalization of the title
character.
That's nice, but I've given up on series, TV or streaming.
Why? You could always torrent them and watch them on your computer for >>>> free.
Because, with few exceptions, they tell one story per season, and so
drag on and on like a soap opera. Despite all the action, they are
boring.
Exceptions include: the original Perry Mason TV shows (mostly B&W); a
two-season series about a giant bug and a reluctant superhero; and
that's about it as far as streaming goes. Oh, there was a Spanish one
involving a very modern girl in 1940s Spain whose father was a
policeman and who wanted to be one herself (which was, of course, not
allowed in that culture at that time). Others I have tried may have
been very exciting but, at the end of each episode, left me realizing
just how little progress in the story had been made. And, at the end
of the season, how unfinished the entire overall story was.
Ultimately, I decided that, if I could not sleep, spending my time
contemplatiing my toes was preferable to streaming a series episode.
And the ones I watched were all free, at least in the sense of being
included in a subscription used for streaming movies.
Ahhh... but I have the solution for you! You must watch european series!
Usually they have a start and an end. Period. No endless dragging on. I
dislike that just like you. My wife likes it, sadly. =/
I recommend The night manager and The little drummer girls. If you like a
more mature spy story than Bond, maybe it could be something for you?
I've just finished watching the 1970s version of "Tinker, Tailor .." with Alec Guinness. And the late 80s "Berlin Game" and followups. About twenty hours of very good TV.
William Hyde
On 17 Feb 2025 23:26:26 GMT, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
<tednolan>) wrote:
In article <f0dc1e8c-b338-1261-cf4d-5ff6d5f503e4@example.net>,
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, William Hyde wrote:
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and to my >>>> surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases I was >>>> expecting something better.
Of course other people may have different lists. And I did like Dune
somewhat more the second time I saw it.
William Hyde
I agree with Dune. LOTR (b) I saw when I was 12, haven't seen it since, so >>> cannot say. I like 1. On my list are all the new star wars movies.
Absolutely horrible! They should have let the original 3 stand, and not
produce prequels that dishonored the memory of hte original. =(
Rogue One is pretty good.
I actually quite enjoyed TFA, but then I didn't believe Han was
actually dead (I was pretty sure that with the big build-up on Maz,
her connection with the Force and having gotten a light saber
possibly through teleportational menas that she was going to pull
some mojo that would be revealed later. TMF me.)
I felt the opposite in /The Two Towers/ movie by PJ: when Aragorn went
off the cliff my response was "good riddance". I was very disappointed
when he turned up again.
You're going to say that the plot required it. Nonsense. He could have
been replaced by his cousin Wants-to-be-King, a non-slacker who
wouldn't have looked at Gandalf, after being crowned, as responsible
for his having to stop slacking and do his job.
In article <ambesj5kquo052k8ehg9nfduu7967q3bpj@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 10:23:19 -0500, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
Part 1 is mostly about the difficulties of adapting
The Hobbit to a film, including the critical error of
expanding from 2 to 3 films at the last moment,
In addition to the even more critical error of thinking it needed 2
films to begin with.
Rankin-Bass did it in 80 minutes. Adding Beorn back would have
stretched to ... maybe 90 minutes.
I will say, I thought they did a great job with Beorn.
He should be scary.
Many really critical errors, starting with the "Make this short
fairly light novel into an Epic Trilogy(TM) just like Lord
of the Rings itself" ... but I think the most destructive
individual error was having Sauron revealed to Gandalf.
This is so completely "some other universe" from the Lord of
the Rings, where Sauron's presence being unknown is a major
factor, that it almost seems like Jackson didn't read the
books, though he obviously did from the LotR movies.
On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Paul S Person wrote:
On 17 Feb 2025 23:26:26 GMT, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
<tednolan>) wrote:
In article <f0dc1e8c-b338-1261-cf4d-5ff6d5f503e4@example.net>,
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, William Hyde wrote:
In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and to my >>>>> surprise they were all SF/F.
(1) The Return of the Jedi
(2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
(3) Dune (Lynch version).
Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases I was
expecting something better.
Of course other people may have different lists. And I did like Dune >>>>> somewhat more the second time I saw it.
William Hyde
I agree with Dune. LOTR (b) I saw when I was 12, haven't seen it since, so >>>> cannot say. I like 1. On my list are all the new star wars movies.
Absolutely horrible! They should have let the original 3 stand, and not >>>> produce prequels that dishonored the memory of hte original. =(
Rogue One is pretty good.
I actually quite enjoyed TFA, but then I didn't believe Han was
actually dead (I was pretty sure that with the big build-up on Maz,
her connection with the Force and having gotten a light saber
possibly through teleportational menas that she was going to pull
some mojo that would be revealed later. TMF me.)
I felt the opposite in /The Two Towers/ movie by PJ: when Aragorn went
off the cliff my response was "good riddance". I was very disappointed
when he turned up again.
You're going to say that the plot required it. Nonsense. He could have
been replaced by his cousin Wants-to-be-King, a non-slacker who
wouldn't have looked at Gandalf, after being crowned, as responsible
for his having to stop slacking and do his job.
For a fun sequel I recommend the last ringbearer. A bit unpolished like
fan fiction often is, but overall a fun read.
On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 23:21:21 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
For a fun sequel I recommend the last ringbearer. A bit unpolished like
fan fiction often is, but overall a fun read.
JRRT's last ringbearer was ... Sam Gamgee.
And /somewhere/ in the books I have of JRRT's output, he tells us what happened to him. Perhaps in an Appendix in LOTR; perhaps elsewhere.
In article <8tfrsj9qt3li1ic5kl60jtov55j8k951tq@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 23:21:21 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
(SNIP!)
For a fun sequel I recommend the last ringbearer. A bit unpolished like
fan fiction often is, but overall a fun read.
JRRT's last ringbearer was ... Sam Gamgee.
And /somewhere/ in the books I have of JRRT's output, he tells us what
happened to him. Perhaps in an Appendix in LOTR; perhaps elsewhere.
It is the third to last entry in the Tale of Years (Appendix B).
On 05/03/2025 16:46, Paul S Person wrote:
I saw /The Empire Strikes Back/ last night. The two-seater aircraft
(pilot and gunner, back to back) used to attack Imperial Walkers
towards the start of the film are "Rogue 2", Rogue 3", and Rogue 4",
per the credits not just on IMDb but shown on the film itself --
which, BTW, is the original unaltered LD version Lucas grudgingly
allowed to be put out on an extras disk. Hey, at least it letterboxed!
No "Rogue 1" is listed, but then, that call sign was no doubt retired
after the events in /Rogue One/.
I think it may be that #1 is (1) "Rogue Leader"
and (2) a named character. I think Luke is in
that fight but in an X-Wing?
On 08/03/2025 16:54, Paul S Person wrote:
My understanding at time it came out and this was discussed in another
newgroup was that Gollum was /entirely/ CGI, using Serkis' acting only
as a series of reference points to be matched.
So, for Gollum, we are seeing Serkis' acting -- but not Serkis
himself.
But that could, I suppose, be wrong.
I'd say that differently - that Gollum was
a CGI costume which Andy Serkis performed in.
However, this article calls it more complicated. ><https://www.polygon.com/lord-of-the-rings/22811800/gollum-lord-of-the-rings-actor-andy-serkis-weta-digital>
"The hands, feet, and, most importantly,
facial expressions of Gollum were all
animated later, using Serkis' performance
as reference footage. At times, the animators
revised Serkis' performance, altering the
physicality or even the facial expressions,
to better suit Jackson’s needs. Serkis
additionally dropped by Weta's offices to
help the animators, modeling gestures or
facial expressions they were struggling
to realize."
Also, the scenes were filmed with Andy Serkis
acting with the other cast, again with
Andy Serkis not in shot, and finally as
Andy Serkis doing the motion capture
acting on his own. Evidently, the second
and third versions were used to compose
the film as seen.
Andy Serkis wrote a book about it, apparently. ><https://www.lifeisstory.com/nonfiction/gollum-how-we-made-movie-magic-andy-serkis/>--
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