Five Futures Where the US Ended Not With a Bang But a Whimperbut-a-whimper/
Sometimes empires just kind of fall apart over time--no catastrophe
required.
https://reactormag.com/five-futures-where-the-us-ended-not-with-a-bang-
Your tongue-in-cheec comment about Chernobyl in your review of _In The
Drift_
was amusing.
And unlike the scenario in that book, fallout from Chernobyl didn't even
kill vast numbers of people! No; but because rumors after the disaster grossly exaggerated the number of casualties - a consequence of the
distrust which exists in closed societies - Gorbachev decided to press
harder
on his policy of _glasnost_... which turned out to be fatal to an empire
that
was built on lies (surprise!).
And we all know the politics we've lived through following that.
China, scared by Russia's cautionary example, doubled down on being a
closed
society. Thus, doctors who tried to warn the public about COVID-19 were beaten by police and silenced.
So the COVID-19 pandemic _was_ the fault of China's totalitarian regime. While it
is not impossible that the virus escaped from a Chinese germ warfare
lab, we
really have no evidence of that, so I see no reason to make stuff up
when within
the facts we know we already have enough proven facts to show the
Chinese
regime is at fault.
Russia had an eventful history. Hard-line Communists tried overthrowing Gorbachev,
leading to Yeltsin defeating them and coming to power. But Yeltsin's
response
to Chechen terrorists - indiscriminate bombing of Chechen civilians -
was a
harbinger of what was to come after he chose Vladimir Putin as his
successor.
Russia under Vladimir Putin isn't Communist. It wasn't going around
telling
the workers of the world to unite.
Just as the United States fought Communism in Korea and Vietnam, but it
did
_not_ fight fascism and Nazism in Ethiopia or in the Spanish Civil War, therefore, Putin's forays into Georgia and Ukraine basically flew under
the
radar of the U.S.; what's a little foreign aggression if you're not seen
as
an existential threat to Big Business?
Unlike Italy, Russia was never known for having severe problems in
getting the
trains to run on time; what Russia has is a drinking problem, but past leaders
who tried to clear that up found they were undermining one of the key
pillars
of the power of dictatorial rule in Russia, and so Putin has been
cautious in
this area.
John Savard
Unlike Italy, Russia was never known for having severe problems in
getting the
trains to run on time; what Russia has is a drinking problem, but past >leaders
who tried to clear that up found they were undermining one of the key
pillars
of the power of dictatorial rule in Russia, and so Putin has been
cautious in
this area.
Sometimes empires just kind of fall apart over time--no catastrophe
required.
https://reactormag.com/five-futures-where-the-us-ended-not-with-a-bang- >but-a-whimper/
Anybody planning to write a story about the splintering of North
America should note where the Canadian embassy is in Washington.
It was relocated to the foot of Capitol Hill in 1989.
On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 08:54:48 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer ><mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
Sometimes empires just kind of fall apart over time--no catastrophe
required.
https://reactormag.com/five-futures-where-the-us-ended-not-with-a-bang- >>but-a-whimper/
Anybody planning to write a story about the splintering of North
America should note where the Canadian embassy is in Washington.
It was relocated to the foot of Capitol Hill in 1989.
In fairness Canada and the US have been "best buddies" pretty much
since 1815 - though no question our friend in the White House has
brought Canada-US relations to a 200 year low point in no more than
three months.
(The Canadian embassy in London is on the NW side of Trafalgar Square
though there are big signs telling Canadians they're NOT welcome there
except on business)
On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 08:43:08 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 08:54:48 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer >><mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:https://reactormag.com/five-futures-where-the-us-ended-not-with-a-bang- >>>but-a-whimper/
Sometimes empires just kind of fall apart over time--no catastrophe
required.
=20
=
Anybody planning to write a story about the splintering of North
America should note where the Canadian embassy is in Washington.
It was relocated to the foot of Capitol Hill in 1989.
In fairness Canada and the US have been "best buddies" pretty much
since 1815 - though no question our friend in the White House has
brought Canada-US relations to a 200 year low point in no more than
three months.
Buckle up! 45 months to go!
On 4/19/2025 6:52 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 08:43:08 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 08:54:48 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packerhttps://reactormag.com/five-futures-where-the-us-ended-not-with-a-bang- >>>>> but-a-whimper/
<mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
Sometimes empires just kind of fall apart over time--no catastrophe >>>>>> required.
=20
=
Anybody planning to write a story about the splintering of North
America should note where the Canadian embassy is in Washington.
It was relocated to the foot of Capitol Hill in 1989.
In fairness Canada and the US have been "best buddies" pretty much
since 1815 - though no question our friend in the White House has
brought Canada-US relations to a 200 year low point in no more than
three months.
Buckle up! 45 months to go!
Or less, if congress does their constitutional duty, which
may not happen until after the midterms.
I have a foreboding that we may not have a free and fair
2026 midterm election. The Felon in Chief has already tried
to overturn one election by force. There's no reason to
think that he won't try it again.
In article <vu1mh9$2rqet$2@dont-email.me>,
Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/19/2025 6:52 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 08:43:08 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 08:54:48 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packerhttps://reactormag.com/five-futures-where-the-us-ended-not-with-a-bang- >>>>>> but-a-whimper/
<mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
Sometimes empires just kind of fall apart over time--no catastrophe >>>>>>> required.
=20
=
Anybody planning to write a story about the splintering of North
America should note where the Canadian embassy is in Washington.
It was relocated to the foot of Capitol Hill in 1989.
In fairness Canada and the US have been "best buddies" pretty much
since 1815 - though no question our friend in the White House has
brought Canada-US relations to a 200 year low point in no more than
three months.
Buckle up! 45 months to go!
Or less, if congress does their constitutional duty, which
may not happen until after the midterms.
I have a foreboding that we may not have a free and fair
2026 midterm election. The Felon in Chief has already tried
to overturn one election by force. There's no reason to
think that he won't try it again.
Surely, if Democratic voters let a little thing like being herded into
El Salvadoran concentration camps deter them from voting, that's on
them?
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 08:43:08 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 08:54:48 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer >>><mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
Sometimes empires just kind of fall apart over time--no catastrophe
required.
=20
= >>https://reactormag.com/five-futures-where-the-us-ended-not-with-a-bang- >>>>but-a-whimper/
Anybody planning to write a story about the splintering of North >>>>America should note where the Canadian embassy is in Washington.
It was relocated to the foot of Capitol Hill in 1989.
In fairness Canada and the US have been "best buddies" pretty much
since 1815 - though no question our friend in the White House has
brought Canada-US relations to a 200 year low point in no more than
three months.
Buckle up! 45 months to go!
Or less, if congress does their constitutional duty, which
may not happen until after the midterms.
On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 22:52:50 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
This may seem unlikely, but it really is the only way to end the
madness. Of course, we would also have to avoid falling to the madness
of Bernie, his friends, and the various high-prestige schools that
think supporting terrorists (verbally) and chanting anti-Semitic
slogans (and, in some cases, taking physical action related to
anti-Semitism) is something they should encourage.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 22:52:50 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>wrote:
This may seem unlikely, but it really is the only way to end the
madness. Of course, we would also have to avoid falling to the madness
of Bernie, his friends, and the various high-prestige schools that
think supporting terrorists (verbally) and chanting anti-Semitic
slogans (and, in some cases, taking physical action related to >>anti-Semitism) is something they should encourage.
Nonsense on many levels. Opposing Israeli actions in Gaza
is not in any way anti-semitism.
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 22:52:50 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
This may seem unlikely, but it really is the only way to end the
madness. Of course, we would also have to avoid falling to the madness
of Bernie, his friends, and the various high-prestige schools that
think supporting terrorists (verbally) and chanting anti-Semitic
slogans (and, in some cases, taking physical action related to
anti-Semitism) is something they should encourage.
Nonsense on many levels. Opposing Israeli actions in Gaza
is not in any way anti-semitism.
This has been an interesting thing.... folks on the side of Israel
claiming that being against the policies of the Israeli state is
tantamount to being against Jews... when in fact there are many
Jews who are also against the policies of the Israeli state.
Sadly not enough that vote in Israel yet, though.
--scott
On 4/20/2025 3:38 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
     Netanyahu (sic) is not permitting the people against
his policies to vote. That is the purpose of the prolonged
war on the Palestinians. Plenty of Israeli citizens have been
in the street demonstrating against his policies. Netanyahu
is avoiding a trial on criminal charges by remaining in
power just like a certain felon in the USA is holding off
a sentencing hearing.
     bliss
Hey Bobbie, good to see that you are back !
Are you walking semi normally now or still hobbling about ?
Lynn
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 22:52:50 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>wrote:
This may seem unlikely, but it really is the only way to end the
madness. Of course, we would also have to avoid falling to the madness
of Bernie, his friends, and the various high-prestige schools that
think supporting terrorists (verbally) and chanting anti-Semitic
slogans (and, in some cases, taking physical action related to >>anti-Semitism) is something they should encourage.
Nonsense on many levels. Opposing Israeli actions in Gaza
is not in any way anti-semitism.
Paul S Person wrote:
.
We need two Centrist parties, one slightly Right and one slightly
Left. One wonders if "Whigs" and "Tories" are available as Party
names.
I don't think "Tory" will work in the US. Too much 1776 and all that.
But "Know Nothing" is up for grabs.
On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 16:38:55 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 22:52:50 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>wrote:
This may seem unlikely, but it really is the only way to end the
madness. Of course, we would also have to avoid falling to the madness
of Bernie, his friends, and the various high-prestige schools that
think supporting terrorists (verbally) and chanting anti-Semitic
slogans (and, in some cases, taking physical action related to >>>anti-Semitism) is something they should encourage.
Nonsense on many levels. Opposing Israeli actions in Gaza
is not in any way anti-semitism.=20
Chanting "from the River to the Sea", however, is as it expresses an
intent to kill every single Jew in Palestine. And then, no doubt, the
world!
In fairness Canada and the US have been "best buddies" pretty much
since 1815 - though no question our friend in the White House has
brought Canada-US relations to a 200 year low point in no more than
three months.
Buckle up! 45 months to go!
Or less, if congress does their constitutional duty, which
may not happen until after the midterms.
(The Canadian embassy in London is on the NW side of Trafalgar Square >>though there are big signs telling Canadians they're NOT welcome there >>except on business)
Were they put up by the embassy or are ... certain people ... in the
UK grouping Canadians with other foreigners?
We need two Centrist parties, one slightly Right and one slightly
Left. One wonders if "Whigs" and "Tories" are available as Party
names.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 22:52:50 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>wrote:
This may seem unlikely, but it really is the only way to end the
madness. Of course, we would also have to avoid falling to the madness
of Bernie, his friends, and the various high-prestige schools that
think supporting terrorists (verbally) and chanting anti-Semitic
slogans (and, in some cases, taking physical action related to >>anti-Semitism) is something they should encourage.
Nonsense on many levels. Opposing Israeli actions in Gaza
is not in any way anti-semitism.
Paul S Person wrote:
.
I don't think "Tory" will work in the US. Too much 1776 and all that.
But "Know Nothing" is up for grabs.
Chanting "from the River to the Sea", however, is as it expresses an
intent to kill every single Jew in Palestine. And then, no doubt, the >>world!
No, it expresses the intent to regain ancestral homelands that were
stolen from them in the 1940s.
On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 09:07:10 -0700, Paul S Person ><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
We need two Centrist parties, one slightly Right and one slightly
Left. One wonders if "Whigs" and "Tories" are available as Party
names.
The thing is in the present setting the most vocal people in the GOP
are actually less extreme that thoe most vocal people on the other
side.
How many of you can name a moderate Democrat?
On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 14:46:09 -0400, William Hyde
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
Paul S Person wrote:
.
I don't think "Tory" will work in the US. Too much 1776 and all that.
But "Know Nothing" is up for grabs.
For which party? You could make a case for either...
On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 16:14:22 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Chanting "from the River to the Sea", however, is as it expresses an >>>intent to kill every single Jew in Palestine. And then, no doubt, the >>>world!
No, it expresses the intent to regain ancestral homelands that were
stolen from them in the 1940s.
In that case what reparations do you recommend for the Jews who were
driven out of nearly all of the majority Muslim countries? Hitler
would salivate at the degree of success the Arab states had had in
enforcing their Judenrein policies.
On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 16:38:55 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 22:52:50 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>wrote:
This may seem unlikely, but it really is the only way to end the
madness. Of course, we would also have to avoid falling to the madness
of Bernie, his friends, and the various high-prestige schools that
think supporting terrorists (verbally) and chanting anti-Semitic
slogans (and, in some cases, taking physical action related to >>>anti-Semitism) is something they should encourage.
Nonsense on many levels. Opposing Israeli actions in Gaza
is not in any way anti-semitism.
Perhaps, but after the barbarity of 7/10/2023 - and barbarity
definitely is the appropriate word for their initial attack, Israel
could do a LOT worse before their outdid HAMAS.
Some of the HAMAS were even talking about "finishing the job" in the
context of 1933-1945.
On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 16:14:22 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Chanting "from the River to the Sea", however, is as it expresses an >>>intent to kill every single Jew in Palestine. And then, no doubt, the >>>world!
No, it expresses the intent to regain ancestral homelands that were
stolen from them in the 1940s.
In that case what reparations do you recommend for the Jews who were
driven out of nearly all of the majority Muslim countries? Hitler
would salivate at the degree of success the Arab states had had in
enforcing their Judenrein policies.
On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 09:07:10 -0700, Paul S Person ><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
We need two Centrist parties, one slightly Right and one slightly
Left. One wonders if "Whigs" and "Tories" are available as Party
names.
The thing is in the present setting the most vocal people in the GOP
are actually less extreme that thoe most vocal people on the other
side.
How many of you can name a moderate Democrat? How many can name AOC's
tribe? Exactly...
On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 22:52:50 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
In fairness Canada and the US have been "best buddies" pretty much >>>>since 1815 - though no question our friend in the White House has >>>>brought Canada-US relations to a 200 year low point in no more than >>>>three months.
Buckle up! 45 months to go!
Or less, if congress does their constitutional duty, which
may not happen until after the midterms.
In fairness after the midterms the congresscritters will already be in >election mode for 2028 and dang all will in the way of legislation
will get done.
This is a feature not a bug...
Five Futures Where the US Ended Not With a Bang But a Whimper
Sometimes empires just kind of fall apart over time--no catastrophe required.
https://reactormag.com/five-futures-where-the-us-ended-not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper/
On Sun, 18 May 2025 19:18:09 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 16:38:55 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 22:52:50 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
This may seem unlikely, but it really is the only way to end the
madness. Of course, we would also have to avoid falling to the madness >>>> of Bernie, his friends, and the various high-prestige schools that
think supporting terrorists (verbally) and chanting anti-Semitic
slogans (and, in some cases, taking physical action related to
anti-Semitism) is something they should encourage.
Nonsense on many levels. Opposing Israeli actions in Gaza
is not in any way anti-semitism.
Perhaps, but after the barbarity of 7/10/2023 - and barbarity
definitely is the appropriate word for their initial attack, Israel
could do a LOT worse before their outdid HAMAS.
Some of the HAMAS were even talking about "finishing the job" in the
context of 1933-1945.
A long time ago (25+ years), /Smithsonian Magazine/ had an article by
a man who had driven cargo trucks in Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war.
He reported, finding in a bookshop, a biography of Saddam Hussein
titled /Saddam: the New Hitler/.
That /some/ (by no means all or even most) Arab muslims have only one
problem with Hitler -- that he didn't finish the job -- has been known
for quite some time.
In that case what reparations do you recommend for the Jews who were
driven out of nearly all of the majority Muslim countries? Hitler
would salivate at the degree of success the Arab states had had in >>enforcing their Judenrein policies.
You are wasting your time. He is living in an alternate reality, where >exterminating Jews is a good thing to do.
That /some/ (by no means all or even most) Arab muslims have only oneSaddam's political party was _literally_ an Arab branch of Hitler's Nazi >party.
problem with Hitler -- that he didn't finish the job -- has been known
for quite some time.
On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 14:46:09 -0400, William Hyde
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
Paul S Person wrote:
.
I don't think "Tory" will work in the US. Too much 1776 and all that.
But "Know Nothing" is up for grabs.
For which party? You could make a case for either...
Since they actually called themselves the Native American Party* and
then the American Party (their opponents called them the Know Nothings),
it obviously applies to the MAGA republicans. Besides, they were an >anti-immigrant party.
*not American Indian, instead people whose great-grandparents were
around for the American Revolution.
How many of you can name a moderate Democrat? How many can name AOC's >>tribe? Exactly...
Thanks for illustrating why I think we need /two/ centrist parties to
replace the current major parties.
On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:38:41 -0700, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
In that case what reparations do you recommend for the Jews who were
driven out of nearly all of the majority Muslim countries? Hitler
would salivate at the degree of success the Arab states had had in
enforcing their Judenrein policies.
You are wasting your time. He is living in an alternate reality, where
exterminating Jews is a good thing to do.
True - though I stand by my contention that nearly ALL the Arab Middle Eastern states have been far more successful at making their countries "Judenrein" (I'm using the dates of 1948 and today as begin and end
dates) than Hitler ever did.
They haven't killed them but most of the Jews who left were at least
as impoverished as those Palestinians did from Israel so if
Palestinians have a right to financial compensation so do those Jews.
And since when does refugee status get passed from generation to
generation anyhow?
On 5/27/2025 9:35 PM, William Hyde wrote:
Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 5/27/2025 1:03 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:To return to SF, Avram Davidson describes confederate exiles living in
On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:38:41 -0700, Paul S PersonWhen the surrounding countries won't let them resettle because they
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
In that case what reparations do you recommend for the Jews who were >>>>>> driven out of nearly all of the majority Muslim countries? Hitler
would salivate at the degree of success the Arab states had had in >>>>>> enforcing their Judenrein policies.
You are wasting your time. He is living in an alternate reality, where >>>>> exterminating Jews is a good thing to do.
True - though I stand by my contention that nearly ALL the Arab Middle >>>> Eastern states have been far more successful at making their countries >>>> "Judenrein" (I'm using the dates of 1948 and today as begin and end
dates) than Hitler ever did.
They haven't killed them but most of the Jews who left were at least
as impoverished as those Palestinians did from Israel so if
Palestinians have a right to financial compensation so do those Jews.
And since when does refugee status get passed from generation to
generation anyhow?
want to have a festering political problem to blame on someone else.
Belize circa 1965 in one of his "Limekiller" stories. I recall a
newspaper article reporting on a similar group in Brazil as late as 1980.
When I was in Canterbury in 1976 they still held one Huguenot service
in the cathedral per week. Just about three hundred years after they
were forced to flee.
My Uncle's family was forced to flee to England in 1572. He, born the
same year as Heinlein, was the first in the family to more or less
reject that heritage, the first not to learn the old language, the
first to take to a new trade.
My first Presbyterian minister was a descendant of Czech exiles who
left in the thirty years war (he never mentioned this, I found it out
myself). It was clear from his last name that he was no ordinary Scot.
Neither of these considered themselves refugees, of course. But the
memory of persecution persists a long time.
William Hyde
There are still a quarter million 'Confederados', descendants
of the 20,000 who emigrated, in Brazil.
https://renegadehistory.com/2024/11/18/brazils-confederate-refugees/
I suppose the ur-example of carried-on refugee status would be the
Jewish Diaspora.
pt
On Mon, 19 May 2025 09:05:22 -0700, Paul S Person ><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
How many of you can name a moderate Democrat? How many can name AOC's >>>tribe? Exactly...
Thanks for illustrating why I think we need /two/ centrist parties to >>replace the current major parties.
True but you DON'T want two centrist parties whose roots are
geographically based. That's what you've got in Canada and it's more
than a bit dysfunctional.
That's essentially what the United States had in 1860 with Lincoln
being the winner out of 4 parities' candidates - 2 in the north, 2 in
the south. Which produced a situation nobody would want to reproduce
today!
It has not escaped my notice, BTW, that some non-Republican States
have groups in them that have been thinking along the lines of
secession (and joining Canada, if Canada is dumb enough to have them
-- accepting them would be likely to produce war with the remaining
USA, after all)
In article <qpae3kpe2msl12bltuq629qfikm6um827j@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
It has not escaped my notice, BTW, that some non-Republican States
have groups in them that have been thinking along the lines of
secession (and joining Canada, if Canada is dumb enough to have them
-- accepting them would be likely to produce war with the remaining
USA, after all)
There's another, more important issue. Let's say we annex California,
and lets say we grant Californians immediate citizenship. California
has as many people living in it as all of Canada so it would displace
central Canada as the most important source of voters. And what sort
of voters would we be getting? 9,276,179 Democrats, and 6,081,697 Nazis.
On 5/29/2025 11:12 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 16:50:56 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:
In article <qpae3kpe2msl12bltuq629qfikm6um827j@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
It has not escaped my notice, BTW, that some non-Republican States
have groups in them that have been thinking along the lines of
secession (and joining Canada, if Canada is dumb enough to have them
-- accepting them would be likely to produce war with the remaining
USA, after all)
There's another, more important issue. Let's say we annex California,
and lets say we grant Californians immediate citizenship. California
has as many people living in it as all of Canada so it would displace
central Canada as the most important source of voters. And what sort
of voters would we be getting? 9,276,179 Democrats, and 6,081,697 Nazis.
One of the funniest political cartoons I have seen in the last few
months shows Canada with "42 Electoral Votes" (number approximate
depending on memory accuracy) printed on it. The caption: "I didn't
see that coming".
If Canada were just one State, then 40 of those would be redistributed
from the other 50. This might well have a major impact, particularly
if Canadians united on hatred of Trump and the Republican party above
all else.
You speak as if Canada has a uniform population. I know quite a few Canadian engineers, they are fairly conservative as a rule.
Canadian and European "Conservative" are different than USA "Conservative".
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Canadian and European "Conservative" are different than USA "Conservative".
The USA "conservative" is different than what it was five years ago.
On 5/29/2025 11:12 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
One of the funniest political cartoons I have seen in the last few
months shows Canada with "42 Electoral Votes" (number approximate
depending on memory accuracy) printed on it. The caption: "I didn't
see that coming".
If Canada were just one State, then 40 of those would be redistributed
from the other 50. This might well have a major impact, particularly
if Canadians united on hatred of Trump and the Republican party above
all else.
You speak as if Canada has a uniform population. I know quite a few >Canadian engineers, they are fairly conservative as a rule.
On Thu, 29 May 2025 14:57:07 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/29/2025 11:12 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
One of the funniest political cartoons I have seen in the last few
months shows Canada with "42 Electoral Votes" (number approximate
depending on memory accuracy) printed on it. The caption: "I didn't
see that coming".
If Canada were just one State, then 40 of those would be redistributed
from the other 50. This might well have a major impact, particularly
if Canadians united on hatred of Trump and the Republican party above
all else.
You speak as if Canada has a uniform population. I know quite a few >>Canadian engineers, they are fairly conservative as a rule.
So are a lot of judges appointed by Trump, but that doesn't stop them
from ruling against him. Being "conservative" is not the same as
supporting Trump, even in the USA.
And resentment at being converted into a State could /unify/ the
population. And not in Trump's (or the Republicans') favor.
Eventually, of course, this would relax. Might take a few centuries,
and I imagine the former Quebec would take a lot longer.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Canadian and European "Conservative" are different than USA "Conservative".
The USA "conservative" is different than what it was five years ago.
--scott
On Fri, 30 May 2025 11:19:13 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
=20
Canadian and European "Conservative" are different than USA = >"Conservative".
The USA "conservative" is different than what it was five years ago.
There are few if any "conservatives" running around.
Most have become MAGA, which is a /very/ different animal.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2025 11:19:13 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
=20
Canadian and European "Conservative" are different than USA = >>"Conservative".
The USA "conservative" is different than what it was five years ago.
There are few if any "conservatives" running around.
No, there are still quite a few of them out there, they just don't
have a party representing them anymore.
--Most have become MAGA, which is a /very/ different animal.
This is true, and Ronald Reagan is rolling in his grave.
On 5/30/25 08:19, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
The USA "conservative" is different than what it was five years ago.
Canadian and European "Conservative" are different than USA "Conservative". >>
--scott
Only some of them are now fascists but they are sycophantic toward the
current president and afraid of the MAGA horde. Some Republicans were
alway authoritaians
to start with but now have taken their mask off. Some have a long
history of idiocy.
On Fri, 30 May 2025 10:41:39 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 5/30/25 08:19, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Canadian and European "Conservative" are different than USA "Conservative".
The USA "conservative" is different than what it was five years ago.
--scott
Only some of them are now fascists but they are sycophantic toward the >> current president and afraid of the MAGA horde. Some Republicans were
alway authoritaians
to start with but now have taken their mask off. Some have a long
history of idiocy.
Fair enough, but I would not limit this to Republicans. The problem
may not be so severe with the Democrats, but it is definitely there.
Seattle is currently (well, as of yesterday or the day before)
undergoing national scrutiny for having a mayor who kept his mouth
open after he had said enough for the situation. He is several steps
closer to the center than his predecessor, but we clearly need a mayor
who is several steps closer to the center than he appears to be.
On 5/31/25 09:21, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2025 10:41:39 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 5/30/25 08:19, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Canadian and European "Conservative" are different than USA
"Conservative".
The USA "conservative" is different than what it was five years ago.
--scott
    Only some of them are now fascists but they are sycophantic
toward the
current president and afraid of the MAGA horde. Some Republicans were
alway authoritaians
to start with but now have taken their mask off. Some have a long
history of idiocy.
Fair enough, but I would not limit this to Republicans. The problem
may not be so severe with the Democrats, but it is definitely there.
Seattle is currently (well, as of yesterday or the day before)
undergoing national scrutiny for having a mayor who kept his mouth
open after he had said enough for the situation. He is several steps
closer to the center than his predecessor, but we clearly need a mayor
who is several steps closer to the center than he appears to be.
    If you live in Seattle then perhaps you are correct. I live in San Francisco as you
may have gathered and we have one of the very rich as Mayor currently
and he might
be close to the center but may be missing the human experience of the
less well
compensated in our SF society. It is very expensive to live in San Francisco and
if I had not aged in my apartment for the last 50+ years I could not
afford to
be here (or live in any other desirable place). I would be in a van down
by the
River giving motivational speeches to HS students or in a tent or
cardboard shack
on the street. Willie Brown was mayor a few years back and he wanted people with incomes under $50,000 per annum to leave. But it takes an income now
of $117,000/per annum to afford to have a home in California. Mine is only about $25,000/year but with rent control I hang on just for access to the
SF Public Library. Willie Brown is a centrist but corporate Democratic Party
leader here in retirement.
    Oh would a review of a recent Batman hardcover comic compilation
be welcome or appreciated here. I put it up in alt.comics.batman if anyone wants to bother. Title is "Batman Dark Age".
    bliss - we need 3 dimensional political party descriptions
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Canadian and European "Conservative" are different than USA "Conservative".
The USA "conservative" is different than what it was five years ago.
--scott
There are still a quarter million 'Confederados', descendants
of the 20,000 who emigrated, in Brazil.
https://renegadehistory.com/2024/11/18/brazils-confederate-refugees/
I suppose the ur-example of carried-on refugee status would be the
Jewish Diaspora.
On 5/27/2025 1:03 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:38:41 -0700, Paul S PersonWhen the surrounding countries won't let them resettle because they want
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
They haven't killed them but most of the Jews who left were at least
as impoverished as those Palestinians did from Israel so if
Palestinians have a right to financial compensation so do those Jews.
And since when does refugee status get passed from generation to
generation anyhow?
to have a festering political problem to blame on someone else.
That's not even getting into how Quebec would react as French gets
bumped down from second language to third, after Spanish.
You speak as if Canada has a uniform population. I know quite a fewCanadian and European "Conservative" are different than USA "Conservative".
Canadian engineers, they are fairly conservative as a rule.
It has not escaped my notice, BTW, that some non-Republican States
have groups in them that have been thinking along the lines of
secession (and joining Canada, if Canada is dumb enough to have them
-- accepting them would be likely to produce war with the remaining
USA, after all) now that Trump is back in office. This thinking
probably began before that, of course, but was dormant under Biden,
having been invigorated under Trump's first term.
The USA "conservative" is different than what it was five years ago.
--scott
Only some of them are now fascists but they are sycophantic toward the
current president and afraid of the MAGA horde. Some Republicans were
alway authoritaians
to start with but now have taken their mask off. Some have a long
history of idiocy.
On Thu, 29 May 2025 17:37:06 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
You speak as if Canada has a uniform population. I know quite a fewCanadian and European "Conservative" are different than USA "Conservative".
Canadian engineers, they are fairly conservative as a rule.
Which is why I regularly watch British political news shows but not US
news shows. My daughter in England lives in one of the two British
electoral districts has voted Green and she's fairly happy with that -
while I'm a Canadian conservative which as you say is quite different
from 'conservatives' in the US.
In plain English that means 'extremely tough financially but willing
to listen on social issues'
On Tue, 27 May 2025 17:49:04 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 5/27/2025 1:03 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:38:41 -0700, Paul S PersonWhen the surrounding countries won't let them resettle because they want >>to have a festering political problem to blame on someone else.
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
They haven't killed them but most of the Jews who left were at least
as impoverished as those Palestinians did from Israel so if
Palestinians have a right to financial compensation so do those Jews.
And since when does refugee status get passed from generation to
generation anyhow?
I dunno - the Hadid sisters (Bella and Gigi) seem to have done alright
having resettled outside the Middle East - yet are technically
"Palestinian refugees" while my inlaws (who emigrated from Poland in
August 1939 - yup two weeks before Hitler) are definitely NOT
considered refugees.
How exactly do you pronounce "BOGUS" again?
Which is why I so loathe UNRWA and their counterfeit refugee
definition. (After all - if UNRWA's definition were legitimate my
children would be "Polish refugees" today - and both my daughters have >visited both Warsaw and Auschwitz - of course they've also visited the
US Capitol as well)
I say again - while in most cases they didn't commit mass murder (in
most cases "just" forced their Jews to leave with nothing but a
suitcase in hand), the Arab world is more "Judenrein" than Hitler's
Europe ever was.
And given 7 October 2023, I'm halfway to saying "Delenda est Gaza" -
and meaning it.
On Fri, 30 May 2025 10:41:39 -0700, Bobbie Sellers ><bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
The USA "conservative" is different than what it was five years ago.
--scott
Only some of them are now fascists but they are sycophantic toward the >>current president and afraid of the MAGA horde. Some Republicans were >>alway authoritaians
to start with but now have taken their mask off. Some have a long
history of idiocy.
I am looking forward to the US 2028 election even if Vance is the GOP >candidate. (Which at this point I'd guess is a 50-50 proposition but
by no means a certainty)
On Wed, 28 May 2025 16:50:56 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:
That's not even getting into how Quebec would react as French gets
bumped down from second language to third, after Spanish.
Which practically speaking is why the proposition is so absurd.
BC and AB combined have a considerably larger population than Quebec
yet considerably fewer seats in Parliament AND the constitutional
amending formula prevents any constitutional amendments that Quebec or
the Maritime provinces object to no matter how lopsided the population
gets. Can't remember whether it was the premier of NS or NB who said >something to the effect of "the present amending formula works quite
well for us - why would we consent to change it?'
Thus BC and AB are under represented in BOTH houses of Parliament and
the amending formula prevents any changes - forever. Is it any wonder
why people in BC and AB feel like second class citizens in their own
country?
Now all Canadian provinces (except PEI) have a larger population than
the smallest US state but only ON, QC, BC, AB have more than 4 million
people which by US state standards is small.
Bottom line is if Donald Trump made his "51st state joke" once and
never repeated it Canadians would have forgotten it by now - but he
didn't and in so doing drove US-Canada relations to the lowest point
in 50+ years.
The hell of it is that in 2024, Trump really WAS a better candidate
than Harris (much less Biden given his mental state in 2024) which
says more about Harris than Trump.
It's not the first time a political leader has been less than
completely 'compos mentis' - and Winston Churchill (even though in his
prime was a much better Prime Minister than Biden ever was as
President) at the end of his last term of office was in much worse
shape than Biden.
If you live in Seattle then perhaps you are correct. I live in San
Francisco as you may have gathered and we have one of the very rich as Mayor currently
and he might be close to the center but may be missing the human experience of the
less well compensated in our SF society. It is very expensive to live in San >Francisco and if I had not aged in my apartment for the last 50+ years I could not
afford to be here (or live in any other desirable place). I would be in a van down
by the River giving motivational speeches to HS students or in a tent or >cardboard shack
Seattle is currently (well, as of yesterday or the day before)
undergoing national scrutiny for having a mayor who kept his mouth
open after he had said enough for the situation. He is several steps
closer to the center than his predecessor, but we clearly need a mayor
who is several steps closer to the center than he appears to be.
On 6/23/2025 11:21 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 01:45:20 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2025 10:41:39 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
The USA "conservative" is different than what it was five years ago. >>>>> --scott
    Only some of them are now fascists but they are sycophantic
toward the
current president and afraid of the MAGA horde. Some Republicans were >>>> alway authoritaians
to start with but now have taken their mask off. Some have a long
history of idiocy.
I am looking forward to the US 2028 election even if Vance is the GOP
candidate. (Which at this point I'd guess is a 50-50 proposition but
by no means a certainty)
Hmmmm ... Vance/MTG vs Newsom/Buttigieg.
Now /that/ would be a contest worth watching!
At least they're all under 60.
On 24/06/25 13:19, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 6/23/2025 11:21 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 01:45:20 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2025 10:41:39 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
The USA "conservative" is different than what it was five years ago. >>>>>> --scott
    Only some of them are now fascists but they are sycophantic >>>>> toward the
current president and afraid of the MAGA horde. Some Republicans were >>>>> alway authoritaians
to start with but now have taken their mask off. Some have a long
history of idiocy.
I am looking forward to the US 2028 election even if Vance is the GOP
candidate. (Which at this point I'd guess is a 50-50 proposition but
by no means a certainty)
Hmmmm ... Vance/MTG vs Newsom/Buttigieg.
Now /that/ would be a contest worth watching!
At least they're all under 60.
A part from Vance, I do not know those names.
Is 60 an IQ measurement?
On 24/06/25 13:19, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 6/23/2025 11:21 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 01:45:20 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2025 10:41:39 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
The USA "conservative" is different than what it was five years ago. >>>>>> --scott
Only some of them are now fascists but they are sycophantic
toward the
current president and afraid of the MAGA horde. Some Republicans were >>>>> alway authoritaians
to start with but now have taken their mask off. Some have a long
history of idiocy.
I am looking forward to the US 2028 election even if Vance is the GOP
candidate. (Which at this point I'd guess is a 50-50 proposition but
by no means a certainty)
Hmmmm ... Vance/MTG vs Newsom/Buttigieg.
Now /that/ would be a contest worth watching!
At least they're all under 60.
A part from Vance, I do not know those names.
Is 60 an IQ measurement?
On 24/06/25 13:19, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 6/23/2025 11:21 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 01:45:20 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2025 10:41:39 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
The USA "conservative" is different than what it was five years ago. >>>>> --scott
    Only some of them are now fascists but they are sycophantic
toward the
current president and afraid of the MAGA horde. Some Republicans were >>>> alway authoritaians
to start with but now have taken their mask off. Some have a long
history of idiocy.
I am looking forward to the US 2028 election even if Vance is the GOP
candidate. (Which at this point I'd guess is a 50-50 proposition but
by no means a certainty)
Hmmmm ... Vance/MTG vs Newsom/Buttigieg.
Now /that/ would be a contest worth watching!
At least they're all under 60.
A part from Vance, I do not know those names.
Is 60 an IQ measurement?
In article <103dfob$1r9dj$2@dont-email.me>, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> >wrote:
On 24/06/25 13:19, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 6/23/2025 11:21 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 01:45:20 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2025 10:41:39 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
The USA "conservative" is different than what it was five years ago. >> >>>>> --scott
    Only some of them are now fascists but they are sycophantic
toward the
current president and afraid of the MAGA horde. Some Republicans were >> >>>> alway authoritaians
to start with but now have taken their mask off. Some have a long
history of idiocy.
I am looking forward to the US 2028 election even if Vance is the GOP
candidate. (Which at this point I'd guess is a 50-50 proposition but
by no means a certainty)
Hmmmm ... Vance/MTG vs Newsom/Buttigieg.
Now /that/ would be a contest worth watching!
At least they're all under 60.
A part from Vance, I do not know those names.
Is 60 an IQ measurement?
Age; i.e., they are not Baby-Boomers.
On Wed, 28 May 2025 16:50:56 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:
That's not even getting into how Quebec would react as French gets
bumped down from second language to third, after Spanish.
Which practically speaking is why the proposition is so absurd.
BC and AB combined have a considerably larger population than Quebec
yet considerably fewer seats in Parliament AND the constitutional
amending formula prevents any constitutional amendments that Quebec or
the Maritime provinces object to no matter how lopsided the population
gets. Can't remember whether it was the premier of NS or NB who said something to the effect of "the present amending formula works quite
well for us - why would we consent to change it?'
Thus BC and AB are under represented in BOTH houses of Parliament and
the amending formula prevents any changes - forever. Is it any wonder
why people in BC and AB feel like second class citizens in their own
country?
Now all Canadian provinces (except PEI) have a larger population than
the smallest US state but only ON, QC, BC, AB have more than 4 million
people which by US state standards is small.
Bottom line is if Donald Trump made his "51st state joke" once and
never repeated it Canadians would have forgotten it by now - but he
didn't and in so doing drove US-Canada relations to the lowest point
in 50+ years.
The hell of it is that in 2024, Trump really WAS a better candidate
than Harris (much less Biden given his mental state in 2024) which
says more about Harris than Trump.
It's not the first time a political leader has been less than
completely 'compos mentis' - and Winston Churchill (even though in his
prime was a much better Prime Minister than Biden ever was as
President) at the end of his last term of office was in much worse
shape than Biden.
On 6/24/2025 10:23 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 6/23/2025 11:14 PM, Titus G wrote:
On 24/06/25 13:19, Cryptoengineer wrote:MTG is Majorie Taylor Green, a congresscritter who is constantly
On 6/23/2025 11:21 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 01:45:20 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> >>>>> wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2025 10:41:39 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
The USA "conservative" is different than what it was five years ago. >>>>>>>> --scott
Only some of them are now fascists but they are sycophantic >>>>>>> toward the
current president and afraid of the MAGA horde. Some Republicans >>>>>>> were
alway authoritaians
to start with but now have taken their mask off. Some have a long >>>>>>> history of idiocy.
I am looking forward to the US 2028 election even if Vance is the GOP >>>>>> candidate. (Which at this point I'd guess is a 50-50 proposition but >>>>>> by no means a certainty)
Hmmmm ... Vance/MTG vs Newsom/Buttigieg.
Now /that/ would be a contest worth watching!
At least they're all under 60.
A part from Vance, I do not know those names.
Is 60 an IQ measurement?
complaining that The Orange One isn't doing enough of what he does.
Gavin Newsom is the Governor of California. Buttigieg, I know the name
but can't remember what office he's held at the moment.
Buttigieg ran for President in 2020, and was Secretary of
Transportation under Biden.
I'd personally prefer him over Newsom for President, but many think he's >unelectable, being gay, and gay married.
"Delenda est Hamas" would be more to the point. And that can be
extended to, say, Hezbollah as well. Other groups doubtless exist that
it could be applied to.
I have heard that though if America survived Vietnam, Americans can
survive to January 2029. (Though I note that something like 1/2 of
Americans who went to Canada during Vietnam stayed even after Carter's >amnesty)
I am looking forward to the US 2028 election even if Vance is the GOP >>candidate. (Which at this point I'd guess is a 50-50 proposition but
by no means a certainty)
Hmmmm ... Vance/MTG vs Newsom/Buttigieg.
The hell of it is that in 2024, Trump really WAS a better candidate
than Harris (much less Biden given his mental state in 2024) which
says more about Harris than Trump.
It's not the first time a political leader has been less than
completely 'compos mentis' - and Winston Churchill (even though in his >>prime was a much better Prime Minister than Biden ever was as
President) at the end of his last term of office was in much worse
shape than Biden.
World Wars do take their toll, even on men at the top of the pyramid.
The Horny Goat wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2025 17:37:06 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Which is why I regularly watch British political news shows but not US
news shows. My daughter in England lives in one of the two British
electoral districts has voted Green and she's fairly happy with that -
while I'm a Canadian conservative which as you say is quite different
from 'conservatives' in the US.
In plain English that means 'extremely tough financially but willing
to listen on social issues'
In which case I am not sure what party you are supporting. At the
federal level the conservatives have never run a budget surplus in your >lifetime. (The tiny surplus claimed by Harper in his last year was open >fraud.)
Hmmmm ... Vance/MTG vs Newsom/Buttigieg.
Now /that/ would be a contest worth watching!
At least they're all under 60.
The Horny Goat wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 16:50:56 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:
That's not even getting into how Quebec would react as French gets
bumped down from second language to third, after Spanish.
Which practically speaking is why the proposition is so absurd.
BC and AB combined have a considerably larger population than Quebec
yet considerably fewer seats in Parliament
BC and AB together do have a larger population than Quebec.
But they have eighty seats in the House of Parliament, to Quebec's 78.
This has been true since the redistribution of 2022.
About the senate you are entirely right. It is absurd that Quebec should
have double the number of seats of the above two provinces. But it is
even more absurd that NB and NS each have ten senators to six for each >western province.
Why complain about Quebec when the real over representation is in the east?
But nobody should really give a damn about that institution. Ontario is
also underrepresented there, but we don't complain about it because is
just doesn't matter. In fact we offered to give six senate seats to
Quebec to shut them up in some early 90s squabble. Offer not accepted.
AND the constitutional
amending formula prevents any constitutional amendments that Quebec or
the Maritime provinces object to no matter how lopsided the population
gets. Can't remember whether it was the premier of NS or NB who said
something to the effect of "the present amending formula works quite
well for us - why would we consent to change it?'
Thus BC and AB are under represented in BOTH houses of Parliament and
the amending formula prevents any changes - forever.
On the contrary, seats in parliament can be redistributed by passing a
simple bill. The recent redistribution was a case of too little, too
late. It's already time to do it again. Growing areas will always be >underrepresented but riding populations in parts of the west are absurd
- as they always have been in Ontario.
Because Quebec's (and PEI's) numbers can never go down, the house will
have to bloat again to give the growing provinces fair representation.
Last time Harper shortchanged Ontario, costing him one conservative
cabinet minister (and perhaps the only true fiscal conservative of his >generation in the conservative party), this time that will have to be
made up, resulting in a big increase in MPs.
Is it any wonder
why people in BC and AB feel like second class citizens
Join the club. My riding is, as of the 2021 census, now at the BC
average. For most of my life it has been well above. Aside from the six >years I spent in Halifax I've always been underrepresented.
But now some riding numbers in BC and Alberta are looking insane. One
riding in AB seems to have 200,000 residents (not all electors, of
course but I don't have contemporary elector numbers to hand).
At a guess, we have to add twenty people to parliament, to BC, AB, and Ont.
William Hyde
Buttigieg ran for President in 2020, and was Secretary of
Transportation under Biden.
I'd personally prefer him over Newsom for President, but many think he's >unelectable, being gay, and gay married.
Irrelevant. Randolph was sick, possibly but not certainly from
syphilis. Nothing heritable, at any rate.
Bottom line is that if BC and AB had the same number of average voters
per federal seat that Quebec has BC would have 5 more seats and AB 4.
And they should. I fully support that.
I notice, though, that you do not mention Ontario, which is every bit as >underrepresented as Alberta or BC, nor Saskatchewan or Manitoba, both >significantly over-represented.
If we were to go over to a truly fair system, BC, AB and Ont would gain >seats, Quebec would stay about the same, and everyone else would lose.
Yet you focus, again and again, on Quebec, which has slightly more
people per MP than the national average (107k vs 108, vs 116 for Ont and
BC).
Meanwhile "equalization" means Alberta sends billions to Quebec every
year in oil revenues while Quebec leaves their coal
Quebec coal? I used to own stock in a Quebec oil company, but I've not
heard of its coal reserves.
Even though he was not then seen as a future PM, Churchill had access to
a great deal of military information even when he was an outsider in the >1930s. After 1946 he remained a member of the privy council. I doubt
that he had access to the latest Enigma decrypts, but he was allowed to
look at his own communications.
Unlike, say, Oppenheimer, who was not allowed to see documents he
himself had written, on security grounds. But then Attlee was a
civilized man.
Scott Dorsey wrote:
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:As I understand it, the victim is contagious for a few years, but then, >though still infected, he no longer spreads the disease. So if Randolph >caught it - and it is far from clear that he did - it must have been
Irrelevant. Randolph was sick, possibly but not certainly from
syphilis. Nothing heritable, at any rate.
But syphilis -is- heritable, and frequently was inherited in the 19th
century and the early part of the 20th before Dr. Ehrlich's cure.
well before his marriage.
Scott Dorsey wrote:
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:As I understand it, the victim is contagious for a few years, but then, >though still infected, he no longer spreads the disease. So if Randolph >caught it - and it is far from clear that he did - it must have been
Irrelevant. Randolph was sick, possibly but not certainly from
syphilis. Nothing heritable, at any rate.
But syphilis -is- heritable, and frequently was inherited in the 19th
century and the early part of the 20th before Dr. Ehrlich's cure.
--scott
well before his marriage.
As I understand it, the victim is contagious for a few years, but then, >>though still infected, he no longer spreads the disease.Irrelevant. Randolph was sick, possibly but not certainly from
syphilis. Nothing heritable, at any rate.
But syphilis -is- heritable, and frequently was inherited in the 19th
century and the early part of the 20th before Dr. Ehrlich's cure.
I mean heritable!
On 7/18/2025 1:26 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 08:21:27 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
I am looking forward to the US 2028 election even if Vance is the GOP
candidate. (Which at this point I'd guess is a 50-50 proposition but
by no means a certainty)
Hmmmm ... Vance/MTG vs Newsom/Buttigieg.
Incidentally I've read Vance's book and didn't feel I had wasted my
time - it was a decent read but then you would expect a lawyer to be
able to write coherently.
The movie was pretty good too. Of course you had an Oscar winning
director, Ron Howard, and two Oscar nominated actresses.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6772802/
On 7/18/2025 1:26 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 08:21:27 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
I am looking forward to the US 2028 election even if Vance is the GOP
candidate. (Which at this point I'd guess is a 50-50 proposition but
by no means a certainty)
Hmmmm ... Vance/MTG vs Newsom/Buttigieg.
Incidentally I've read Vance's book and didn't feel I had wasted my
time - it was a decent read but then you would expect a lawyer to be
able to write coherently.
The movie was pretty good too. Of course you had an Oscar winning
director, Ron Howard, and two Oscar nominated actresses.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6772802/
Lynn
On 23/07/2025 22:24, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 7/22/2025 7:05 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
Blood tests were required in Texas when my wife and I got married 43
years ago in 1982.
It was required in MA as recently as 1989, from personal experience.
My browser's AI claims no states require it now, with Montana being the
last to drop it in 2019.
Wikipedia claims Mississippi was the last, in 2012, citing an article >"Wassermann Before Wedding Bells: Premarital Examination Laws in the
United States, 1937–1950"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premarital_medical_examination
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