• Climate models are wrong.

    From D@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 25 19:46:23 2025
    Dear rasw:ers,

    This is important news...

    https://youtu.be/Xa665wL7Tcg

    current globalist financed climate models are wrong and we do in fact not
    have a problem with the climate. It is natural changes all the way.

    Enjoy the video!

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  • From Robert Woodward@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Tue Feb 25 21:40:47 2025
    In article <61fd7c93-15b9-abc0-7c98-065a570208b1@example.net>,
    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Dear rasw:ers,

    This is important news...

    https://youtu.be/Xa665wL7Tcg

    current globalist financed climate models are wrong and we do in fact not have a problem with the climate. It is natural changes all the way.


    Really? Are they arguing that there hasn't been significant warming in
    the last 40 years? Warming that is not beyond any natural variation in
    the last million years for periods between glacial advances?

    --
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    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. -------------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Robert Woodward on Wed Feb 26 13:06:43 2025
    On Tue, 25 Feb 2025, Robert Woodward wrote:

    In article <61fd7c93-15b9-abc0-7c98-065a570208b1@example.net>,
    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Dear rasw:ers,

    This is important news...

    https://youtu.be/Xa665wL7Tcg

    current globalist financed climate models are wrong and we do in fact not
    have a problem with the climate. It is natural changes all the way.


    Really? Are they arguing that there hasn't been significant warming in
    the last 40 years? Warming that is not beyond any natural variation in
    the last million years for periods between glacial advances?

    Yes, exactly! So it's quite funny, that all the billions wasted, and mass hysteria were for nothing! =D

    I'm very relieved, and happy that I have not altered my lifestyle, so now
    we can focus on capitalism and growth again. =)

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to robertaw@drizzle.com on Wed Feb 26 13:00:06 2025
    Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
    This is important news...

    https://youtu.be/Xa665wL7Tcg

    current globalist financed climate models are wrong and we do in fact not
    have a problem with the climate. It is natural changes all the way.

    Really? Are they arguing that there hasn't been significant warming in
    the last 40 years? Warming that is not beyond any natural variation in
    the last million years for periods between glacial advances?

    No, what they are arguing is that the short-term warming doesn't match up
    with that predicted by one of the more popular long-term models. Which is pretty much happens when you compare a short piece of noisy data with another short piece of noisy data.... you get noise.

    Notice she doesn't mention anything about error bounds on either measurements or the model output. Engineers live by error bounds.

    So, this isn't really news. Nor is it news that, given large error bounds, some people want to play it safe and other do not.
    --scott


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  • From Mad Hamish@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Fri Feb 28 21:09:17 2025
    On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 19:46:23 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Dear rasw:ers,

    This is important news...

    https://youtu.be/Xa665wL7Tcg

    current globalist financed climate models are wrong and we do in fact not >have a problem with the climate. It is natural changes all the way.

    Enjoy the video!

    Don't bet your house on it

    It's the Heartland Institute
    They took cigarette company money to say cigarette smoke wasn't
    dangerous

    John Christy is way out on his own about his claims of warming and
    he's got no actual history in climate modelling
    He's ideologically driven because he thinks the developing world needs
    access to fossil fuels to get out of poverty
    Theres no question that carbon-based energy has made for longer,
    better lives,You know, I lived in Africa for a while and without
    energy, life is brutal and short. And I wish these environmentalists
    would go live in a country like that for a while and understand that, understand why they are going full bore on energy production.

    Roy Spenser, his co-worker on the satellite temperatur measuring is
    an intelligent design pusher and here's a response to his presentation
    at God Is Great. Is God Green? A Conference on Evangelicals and the Environmental Task. in 2008
    " I wouldnt feel comfortable saying, as Dr. Spencer did in the paper
    that was presented, that Gods likely to have made the climate system insensitive to human emissions of greenhouse gases."
    So that's where they're coming from "God won't let it happen"


    There's been geniune problems found in their research https://insideclimatenews.org/news/02112020/john-christy-alabama-climate-contrarian/#:~:text=Spencer%20shared%20Christy%27s%20religious%20orientation,was%20creating%20an%20upheaval%20in

    "Over time, studies uncovered layer upon layer of flaws in Christys
    analysis, with his old dissertation advisor, Trenberth, chief among
    his early critics.

    Trenberth and others showed that space-based temperature readingfar
    from being a precision scienceinvolved applying complex mathematical
    formulas to adjust for the vagaries of satellites themselves.
    Satellites drift east and west, their orbits decay, they retire
    altogether, with new satellites taking their place. Each anomaly could
    skew the temperature readings in a different way.

    In 1997, Trenberth and a colleague at the National Center for
    Atmospheric Research showed that abrupt downward jumps in Christy
    and Spencers temperature readings coincided with changes from old
    satellites to new satellites, accounting for their cooling finding.
    Climate scientist Andrew Dessler of Texas A&M has explained it this
    way: Suppose you are trying to watch your weight, but your scale
    breaks and a month passes before you buy a new one, he said. If the
    new scale says you are two pounds heavier than your last reading on
    the old scale, does this mean you have gained two pounds? Or does the
    new scale just read two pounds heavier than the old one?

    A team from the California research firm Remote Sensing Systems (RSS)
    showed in 1998 that satellites lose altitude over time, at a rate that
    varies year-to-year, depending on solar activity. Christy and Spencer,
    the RSS team showed, failed to account for how their angle of
    observation changed with this orbital decay. "

    "RSS would soon begin putting together its own satellite temperature
    data set, obtaining consistently different results from those of
    Christy and Spencer.

    In 2004, scientists at the University of Washington published evidence
    that Christy and Spencers readings of what was purported to be the
    lower atmospherethe tropospherewere being polluted by the cooler
    upper atmosphere, the stratosphere. The following year, the same team
    in Washington showed that Christy and Spencers temperature plots were
    biased by the satellites east-west drift.

    Christy and Spencer responded to the critiques by adjusting their
    calculations, and by 1998, they had backed off their cooling finding,
    reporting a global warming trend apparent in their data, albeit a
    slight one."

    The history of the UAH tropospheric temperature data sets is a
    history of serious scientific error, said Benjamin Santer, a climate researcher at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, referring to
    the University of Alabama in Huntsville. Most of the serious errors
    in UAH temperature data have been detected by other research groups,
    not by UAH scientists.

    ExxonMobil George W. Bush to appoint him to review IPCC submissions
    because he suited their desires to keep selling fossil fuels

    Here's quotes showing either his dishonesty or his stupidity about
    power sources

    I try to tell people about why theres just not enough energy there,
    I can stand in the sunlight. It doesnt bother me at all. If the wind
    is blowing, doesnt bother me at all. That tells you right there, it
    has very little energy.

    But if I stood inside the boiler of a natural gas or coal fired power
    plant, Id be incinerated. Thats where the energy is.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Fri Feb 28 19:39:54 2025
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> writes:
    Mad Hamish wrote:

    Christy and Spencer responded to the critiques by adjusting their
    calculations, and by 1998, they had backed off their cooling finding,
    reporting a global warming trend apparent in their data, albeit a
    slight one."

    A few months before things came crashing down, one of Christy's
    co-workers gave a seminar at Texas A&M.

    Their method of isolating mid-tropospheric temperature signals from the
    rest of the IR being measured (some from the surface, the lower
    troposphere, the upper, and the stratosphere) seemed suspect to me, but >clarification of such issues often comes later in the seminar, so I kept >quiet, waiting for the end of the seminar to ask questions if I still
    had them.

    Not so one of our graduate students. He ripped into the speaker quite >fiercely, giving no quarter. The calculations given, he said, would
    without doubt include some stratospheric signal in their "mid
    tropospheric" temperature estimates. And as the stratosphere was known
    to be cooling, this would seriously compromise their accuracy. Every >argument the speaker raised was shot down. It was a massacre.

    And my question was answered.


    I sometimes wonder if that speaker, who seemed perturbed rather than
    angry, didn't drop by Christy's office the next day and say "we have a >problem". Shortly thereafter they acknowledged it in public.


    “The history of the UAH tropospheric temperature data sets is a
    history of serious scientific error,” said Benjamin Santer, a climate
    researcher at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, referring to
    the University of Alabama in Huntsville. “Most of the serious errors
    in UAH temperature data have been detected by other research groups,
    not by UAH scientists.”


    No less than three serious errors were made, each of which tending to
    show the world as cooler than it is. None of these errors are
    particularly subtle, see above.



    ExxonMobil George W. Bush to appoint him to review IPCC submissions
    because he suited their desires to keep selling fossil fuels

    Here's quotes showing either his dishonesty or his stupidity about
    power sources

    “I try to tell people about why there’s just not enough energy there,
    I can stand in the sunlight. It doesn’t bother me at all. If the wind
    is blowing, doesn’t bother me at all. That tells you right there, it
    has very little energy.

    Who said this? It's monumentally stupid.

    Christie, it seems.

    https://insideclimatenews.org/news/02112020/john-christy-alabama-climate-contrarian/

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to wthyde1953@gmail.com on Sun Mar 2 14:14:31 2025
    In article <vq0mjl$kq3f$1@dont-email.me>,
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 3/1/2025 2:01 PM, William Hyde wrote:
    ...
    BTW, Texas, the King of the so-called renewables, will not allow more
    than 30% of the so-called renewables in the electric generation mix
    for ERCOT.  Above 30% is the loss of control region for ERCOT.

    Well, in the first place the expertise of Texas power regulators is
    open to question.

    But even if the upper limit for them is in fact 30%, that's a lot.
    Throw in some nuclear power and the greenhouse emissions from
    electrical generation are dramatically reduced.

    I live in a promise where on any given day at most 10% of the
    generation comes from fossil fuels, the rest being Hydro, Nuclear, and
    to a much lesser extent wind and solar.

    William Hyde

    Right now at this moment, Texas is using electric power from:
    1. Solar:       23,469 MW
    2. Wind:         2,272 MW
    3. Hydro:            0 MW
    4. Batteries:      237 MW
    5. Other:            0 MW
    6. Natural Gas: 11,480 MW
    7. Coal:         5,278 MW
    8. Nuclear:      5,107 MW
    =========================
    Total:          47,843 MW

    I think that I was wrong about the max of the so-called renewables.  The
    max of 30% may just apply to wind power since the wind power ebbs and
    flows with the wind.  When cold fronts come through Texas, the wind
    turbines will actually go to zero power as they rotate the wind turbines
    to face the wind, not a very quick process.

    That sounds more reasonable, and directly contradicts Christy.

    I know that LBJ was first elected to congress so that he could obtain
    legal permissions to carry on with a flood control/hydro power dam that
    had been begun illegally. I guess that if it's still around, that dam
    is not contributing 0.5%.

    By the way, I live in a province, not a promise. Maybe it's a promising >province. So they have been saying my entire life, anyway.

    Well, they're promising four more years of Ford, anyway.

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Sun Mar 2 16:57:24 2025
    In article <OE%wP.111374$_N6e.54654@fx17.iad>,
    Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
    jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) writes:
    In article <vq0mjl$kq3f$1@dont-email.me>,
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    By the way, I live in a province, not a promise. Maybe it's a promising >>>province. So they have been saying my entire life, anyway.

    Well, they're promising four more years of Ford, anyway.

    Which one? Ah, I see Rob has passed. Doug sounds like a
    trump clone, sadly.

    Well, he's not ideal and a lot more Ontarians will suffer and die
    than necessary. However, he can be shamed and embarrassed and
    there's even (a very small) chance of legal consequences for his
    more egregious transgressions.

    The election did serve as a nice example of the counter-intuitive
    results possible in a multiparty election using first past the post:

    PCs: 43% of the vote, 80 seats
    NDP: 19% of the vote, 27 seats
    OLP: 30% of the vote, 14 seats
    Grn: 5% of the vote, 2 seats
    IndL 1% of the vote, 1 seat

    So, the party opposed by almost 60% of the electorate got a majority
    because the anti-PC vote is split between three parties, and vote
    distribution meant the Liberals needed about three times as many
    votes per seat won than the NDP.

    (For various reasons, not least that the Voter ID cards didn't show
    up on time, voter turnout was only 45%. So, only 19% of the voters
    actively wanted our majority government)


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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Sun Mar 2 08:34:17 2025
    On 3/1/2025 9:00 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 3/1/2025 10:24 PM, William Hyde wrote:
    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 3/1/2025 2:01 PM, William Hyde wrote:
    ...
    BTW, Texas, the King of the so-called renewables, will not allow
    more than 30% of the so-called renewables in the electric
    generation mix for ERCOT.  Above 30% is the loss of control region
    for ERCOT.

    Well, in the first place the expertise of Texas power regulators is
    open to question.

    But even if the upper limit for them is in fact 30%, that's a lot.
    Throw in some nuclear power and the greenhouse emissions from
    electrical generation are dramatically reduced.

    I live in a promise where on any given day at most 10% of the
    generation comes from fossil fuels, the rest being Hydro, Nuclear,
    and to a much lesser extent wind and solar.

    William Hyde

    Right now at this moment, Texas is using electric power from:
    1. Solar:       23,469 MW
    2. Wind:         2,272 MW
    3. Hydro:            0 MW
    4. Batteries:      237 MW
    5. Other:            0 MW
    6. Natural Gas: 11,480 MW
    7. Coal:         5,278 MW
    8. Nuclear:      5,107 MW
    =========================
    Total:          47,843 MW

    I think that I was wrong about the max of the so-called renewables.
    The max of 30% may just apply to wind power since the wind power ebbs
    and flows with the wind.  When cold fronts come through Texas, the
    wind turbines will actually go to zero power as they rotate the wind
    turbines to face the wind, not a very quick process.

    That sounds more reasonable, and directly contradicts Christy.

    I know that LBJ was first elected to congress so that he could obtain
    legal permissions to carry on with a flood control/hydro power dam
    that had been begun illegally.  I guess that if it's still around,
    that dam is not contributing 0.5%.

    By the way, I live in a province, not a promise.  Maybe it's a
    promising province.  So they have been saying my entire life, anyway.

    William Hyde

    Most of the hydroelectric dams in Texas run less than 20% capacity
    factor per year.  We do not get enough rain in Texas to keep them
    running at full power for very long.  The biggest dam in Texas that I
    know of is the dam north of Sherman, Texas on the Red River, two 40 MW turbines.

    I remember that the Hoover Dam in the US considers water users, mostly
    farmers, as their "customers". Generating electricity is just a little
    bonus.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Sun Mar 2 16:26:22 2025
    jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) writes:
    In article <vq0mjl$kq3f$1@dont-email.me>,
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    By the way, I live in a province, not a promise. Maybe it's a promising >>province. So they have been saying my entire life, anyway.

    Well, they're promising four more years of Ford, anyway.

    Which one? Ah, I see Rob has passed. Doug sounds like a
    trump clone, sadly.

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Mon Mar 3 08:31:04 2025
    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 08:34:17 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 3/1/2025 9:00 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 3/1/2025 10:24 PM, William Hyde wrote:
    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 3/1/2025 2:01 PM, William Hyde wrote:
    ...
    BTW, Texas, the King of the so-called renewables, will not allow
    more than 30% of the so-called renewables in the electric
    generation mix for ERCOT. Above 30% is the loss of control region >>>>>> for ERCOT.

    Well, in the first place the expertise of Texas power regulators is >>>>> open to question.

    But even if the upper limit for them is in fact 30%, that's a lot.
    Throw in some nuclear power and the greenhouse emissions from
    electrical generation are dramatically reduced.

    I live in a promise where on any given day at most 10% of the
    generation comes from fossil fuels, the rest being Hydro, Nuclear,
    and to a much lesser extent wind and solar.

    William Hyde

    Right now at this moment, Texas is using electric power from:
    1. Solar: 23,469 MW
    2. Wind: 2,272 MW
    3. Hydro: 0 MW
    4. Batteries: 237 MW
    5. Other: 0 MW
    6. Natural Gas: 11,480 MW
    7. Coal: 5,278 MW
    8. Nuclear: 5,107 MW
    =========================
    Total: 47,843 MW

    I think that I was wrong about the max of the so-called renewables.
    The max of 30% may just apply to wind power since the wind power ebbs >>>> and flows with the wind. When cold fronts come through Texas, the
    wind turbines will actually go to zero power as they rotate the wind
    turbines to face the wind, not a very quick process.

    That sounds more reasonable, and directly contradicts Christy.

    I know that LBJ was first elected to congress so that he could obtain
    legal permissions to carry on with a flood control/hydro power dam
    that had been begun illegally. I guess that if it's still around,
    that dam is not contributing 0.5%.

    By the way, I live in a province, not a promise. Maybe it's a
    promising province. So they have been saying my entire life, anyway.

    William Hyde

    Most of the hydroelectric dams in Texas run less than 20% capacity
    factor per year. We do not get enough rain in Texas to keep them
    running at full power for very long. The biggest dam in Texas that I
    know of is the dam north of Sherman, Texas on the Red River, two 40 MW
    turbines.

    I remember that the Hoover Dam in the US considers water users, mostly >farmers, as their "customers". Generating electricity is just a little >bonus.

    Interestingly, I read an article about cutbacks to Hoover Dam and the (potential) effects on a lot of electrical grids (and not just in
    Seattle -- certainly in Eastern Washington and, as an "Inter-Mountain"
    company was mentioned, probably in Idaho and other bastions of
    Republican voters as well) if a massive failure occurs and the people
    needed to recover have been ... DOGEd.

    It also asserted that the sales of electricity actually paid the
    salaries of those employees. Since it seems more likely that the
    gummint pays the salaries and adds the income to the General Fund (or
    whatever it is called), this article may have been a wee bit
    hysterical. Lot's of articles are hysterical these days, but that
    should die down as the "shock" fades into "normalcy". There never was
    any "awe", of course.

    Fortunately, the massive wind storm didn't do enough damage for the
    cuts to matter. This time.

    And the Forest Service has apparently been authorized to hire and
    train its temporary fire fighters so the summer fire season should be
    much like any other this year.
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