• Re: OT: I was promised flying cars! Fulfilled.

    From D@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Sun Mar 16 22:12:40 2025
    On Sun, 16 Mar 2025, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmbNZ8ZAcwU

    Blackfly ultralight. $190k

    I've heard that there are models for around 100k. Can't wait until they
    start taxi service! From my country house home it's about a 75 minute
    drive to the airport.

    With a flying taxi it would be about 15 minutes! =D

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Mon Mar 17 08:29:56 2025
    On 3/17/2025 7:27 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 1:00 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 3/16/2025 1:09 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmbNZ8ZAcwU

    Blackfly ultralight. $190k

    Looks usable as long as you don't run out of electric juice.

    Lynn


    Yup. The range is too short for many applications.

    Flying Cars have existed since at least the 1950s.

    --
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    dirty old man.

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  • From Jay Morris@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Mon Mar 17 13:04:19 2025
    On 3/17/2025 9:27 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 1:00 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 3/16/2025 1:09 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmbNZ8ZAcwU

    Blackfly ultralight. $190k

    Looks usable as long as you don't run out of electric juice.

    Lynn


    Yup. The range is too short for many applications.

    pt

    The two that have FAA Airworthiness Certification, Doroni Aerospace and
    Alef Aeronautics, the range is about 100 miles at around 90 mph. When I
    was working this would have worked for me. I figure about a 20 minute
    flight verses an hour on the road. There and back and charge overnight.
    But these are $300k+.

    Kicker is that the Alef actually looks like a car and is road-worthy.
    Well, car shaped. Doroni is drone-like.

    https://alef.aero/

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Mon Mar 17 19:56:24 2025
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 7:27 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 1:00 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 3/16/2025 1:09 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmbNZ8ZAcwU

    Blackfly ultralight. $190k

    Looks usable as long as you don't run out of electric juice.

    Yup. The range is too short for many applications.

    Flying Cars have existed since at least the 1950s.

    My friend in college made a '72 Impala fly. It also had a very
    short range however and was badly damaged upon landing.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Titus G@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Tue Mar 18 18:42:50 2025
    On 18/03/25 12:56, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 7:27 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 1:00 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 3/16/2025 1:09 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmbNZ8ZAcwU

    Blackfly ultralight. $190k

    Brilliant, thank you. If there is not already, as soon as they become
    popular there will be a billion rules and regulations.


    Looks usable as long as you don't run out of electric juice.

    Yup. The range is too short for many applications.

    Flying Cars have existed since at least the 1950s.

    My friend in college made a '72 Impala fly. It also had a very
    short range however and was badly damaged upon landing.
    --scott

    The three departmental managers and the CEO of Firestone NZ all had
    brand new 1966 Impala's which the boy in the sales office was given to
    do their personal chores. They would fly when crossing the railway line
    in Papanui Road at 80mph and land without a problem, though the range
    was short as was height.

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  • From Titus G@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Tue Mar 18 18:42:38 2025
    On 18/03/25 15:35, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 2:04 PM, Jay Morris wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 9:27 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 1:00 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 3/16/2025 1:09 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmbNZ8ZAcwU

    Blackfly ultralight. $190k

    Looks usable as long as you don't run out of electric juice.

    Lynn


    Yup. The range is too short for many applications.

    pt

    The two that have FAA Airworthiness Certification, Doroni Aerospace
    and Alef Aeronautics, the range is about 100 miles at around 90 mph. 
    When I was working this would have worked for me. I figure about a 20
    minute flight verses an hour on the road.  There and back and charge
    overnight. But these are $300k+.

    Kicker is that the Alef actually looks like a car and is road-worthy.
    Well, car shaped. Doroni is drone-like.

    https://alef.aero/

    I don't know about the others, but one feature of the Blackfly is that
    a computer intermediates all the controls - the pilot/passenger merely
    tells it where he/she wants to go.

    I recently upgraded my Tesla[1] to "Full Self-Driving (supervised)",
    which lets it choose and execute its own routes. I simply hold down a
    button on the steering wheel while saying "Navigate to Yamato Japanese restaurant.", as I did a few hours ago.

    Sometimes it will pick routes I never would have thought of.
    Sometimes its better than I would have picked, sometimes not.

    [1] Another recent upgrade is a bumper sticker reading
    "I bought this before Elon went crazy."

    pt

    Fascinating. Any news on your truck?

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to Titus G on Tue Mar 18 08:50:55 2025
    On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:42:50 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 18/03/25 12:56, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 7:27 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 1:00 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 3/16/2025 1:09 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmbNZ8ZAcwU

    Blackfly ultralight. $190k

    Brilliant, thank you. If there is not already, as soon as they become
    popular there will be a billion rules and regulations.

    In the USA, there probably are already -- surely all FAA rules
    applying to small private aircraft and possibly drones as well would
    apply.

    Well, if they survive DOGE, anyway.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Tue Mar 18 17:02:02 2025
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
    On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:42:50 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 18/03/25 12:56, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 7:27 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 1:00 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 3/16/2025 1:09 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DHmbNZ8ZAcwU

    Blackfly ultralight. $190k

    Brilliant, thank you. If there is not already, as soon as they become >>popular there will be a billion rules and regulations.

    In the USA, there probably are already -- surely all FAA rules
    applying to small private aircraft and possibly drones as well would
    apply.

    Actually, the couple of dozen electric aircraft manufacturers
    have been working closely with the FAA on developing certification
    requirements for electric manned and unmanned VTOL and STOL aircraft for several years now. Joby and Archer currently lead the pack and
    have influenced the rulemaking process. Most of these rules would
    likely also apply to personal flying vehicles (particularly those with self-flying capabilities) once they leave the experimental category
    for which existing rules suffice.

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 19 08:17:21 2025
    On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:02:02 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
    On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:42:50 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 18/03/25 12:56, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 7:27 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 1:00 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 3/16/2025 1:09 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DHmbNZ8ZAcwU

    Blackfly ultralight. $190k

    Brilliant, thank you. If there is not already, as soon as they become >>>popular there will be a billion rules and regulations.

    In the USA, there probably are already -- surely all FAA rules
    applying to small private aircraft and possibly drones as well would
    apply.

    Actually, the couple of dozen electric aircraft manufacturers
    have been working closely with the FAA on developing certification >requirements for electric manned and unmanned VTOL and STOL aircraft for >several years now. Joby and Archer currently lead the pack and
    have influenced the rulemaking process. Most of these rules would
    likely also apply to personal flying vehicles (particularly those with >self-flying capabilities) once they leave the experimental category
    for which existing rules suffice.

    That's good to hear.

    But will it survive DOGE?
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to psperson@old.netcom.invalid on Wed Mar 19 11:47:46 2025
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    Actually, the couple of dozen electric aircraft manufacturers
    have been working closely with the FAA on developing certification >>requirements for electric manned and unmanned VTOL and STOL aircraft for >>several years now. Joby and Archer currently lead the pack and
    have influenced the rulemaking process. Most of these rules would
    likely also apply to personal flying vehicles (particularly those with >>self-flying capabilities) once they leave the experimental category
    for which existing rules suffice.

    That's good to hear.

    But will it survive DOGE?

    It's going to be interesting since Joby at least is using NASA research work
    to their advantage and they have been testing in some NASA facilities with
    NASA partners. Some of this is big stuff like full-scale aeronautical testing and some is small stuff like algorithms to predict battery usage given a proposed flight path.

    On the other hand, as the NASA folks are taking the fork in the road, some
    of their better aviation engineers and technicians have been going to work
    for Joby and Archer.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Wed Mar 19 16:34:32 2025
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:
    On 3/18/2025 1:42 AM, Titus G wrote:
    On 18/03/25 15:35, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 2:04 PM, Jay Morris wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 9:27 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:

    Kicker is that the Alef actually looks like a car and is road-worthy.
    Well, car shaped. Doroni is drone-like.

    https://alef.aero/

    I don't know about the others, but one feature of the Blackfly is that
    a computer intermediates all the controls - the pilot/passenger merely
    tells it where he/she wants to go.

    I recently upgraded my Tesla[1] to "Full Self-Driving (supervised)",
    which lets it choose and execute its own routes. I simply hold down a
    button on the steering wheel while saying "Navigate to Yamato Japanese
    restaurant.", as I did a few hours ago.

    Sometimes it will pick routes I never would have thought of.
    Sometimes its better than I would have picked, sometimes not.

    [1] Another recent upgrade is a bumper sticker reading
    "I bought this before Elon went crazy."

    pt

    Fascinating. Any news on your truck?

    The chances of my buying a cybertruck are now pretty damn
    low. I'm retired, and don't really need a second vehicle.

    For me, retirement means projects. Projects mean plywood,
    drywall, hardwood lumber, gardening, landscaping. All of
    which are facilitated by a pick-em-up truck. Once my
    2016 colorado exceeds it's lifespan[*], I'd go for an
    electric truck; The rivian, unfortunately, doesn't have
    a very long bed (54" vs. the 66" in the colorado, or
    96" in full size trucks).

    While the cybertruck has 73", it's ugly and the stainless
    steel isn't (stainless, that is), even leaving aside Musk.

    [*] Which may be ten years down the road yet, it only has
    48K miles.

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to morrisj@epsilon3.me on Wed Mar 19 18:36:20 2025
    In article <vrf2e3$1e16b$1@epsilon3.eternal-september.org>,
    Jay Morris <morrisj@epsilon3.me> wrote:
    On 3/19/2025 11:34 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    For me, retirement means projects. Projects mean plywood,
    drywall, hardwood lumber, gardening, landscaping. All of
    which are facilitated by a pick-em-up truck. Once my
    2016 colorado exceeds it's lifespan[*], I'd go for an
    electric truck; The rivian, unfortunately, doesn't have
    a very long bed (54" vs. the 66" in the colorado, or
    96" in full size trucks).

    While the cybertruck has 73", it's ugly and the stainless
    steel isn't (stainless, that is), even leaving aside Musk.

    [*] Which may be ten years down the road yet, it only has
    48K miles.

    Thought about the RAMCharger? That's what I'm looking at. This year is
    going to be a limited supply, supposed to be fully in production in 2026.

    https://www.ramtrucks.com/electric/ram-1500-ramcharger.html

    Of course if you go that way, you need a RamCharger charger...
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Jay Morris@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Wed Mar 19 13:29:24 2025
    On 3/19/2025 11:34 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    For me, retirement means projects. Projects mean plywood,
    drywall, hardwood lumber, gardening, landscaping. All of
    which are facilitated by a pick-em-up truck. Once my
    2016 colorado exceeds it's lifespan[*], I'd go for an
    electric truck; The rivian, unfortunately, doesn't have
    a very long bed (54" vs. the 66" in the colorado, or
    96" in full size trucks).

    While the cybertruck has 73", it's ugly and the stainless
    steel isn't (stainless, that is), even leaving aside Musk.

    [*] Which may be ten years down the road yet, it only has
    48K miles.

    Thought about the RAMCharger? That's what I'm looking at. This year is
    going to be a limited supply, supposed to be fully in production in 2026.

    https://www.ramtrucks.com/electric/ram-1500-ramcharger.html

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Jay Morris on Wed Mar 19 22:09:33 2025
    Jay Morris <morrisj@epsilon3.me> writes:
    On 3/19/2025 11:34 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    For me, retirement means projects. Projects mean plywood,
    drywall, hardwood lumber, gardening, landscaping. All of
    which are facilitated by a pick-em-up truck. Once my
    2016 colorado exceeds it's lifespan[*], I'd go for an
    electric truck; The rivian, unfortunately, doesn't have
    a very long bed (54" vs. the 66" in the colorado, or
    96" in full size trucks).

    While the cybertruck has 73", it's ugly and the stainless
    steel isn't (stainless, that is), even leaving aside Musk.

    [*] Which may be ten years down the road yet, it only has
    48K miles.

    Thought about the RAMCharger? That's what I'm looking at. This year is
    going to be a limited supply, supposed to be fully in production in 2026.

    https://www.ramtrucks.com/electric/ram-1500-ramcharger.html

    The least expensive pickup truck with a suitable bed will be
    fine. Prior to the colorado, I had a base model 2000 Ranger.
    I loved that truck, gave to my nephew and a tree crushed it
    a couple years later during a dereccho.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Wed Mar 19 18:30:09 2025
    On 3/19/2025 8:59 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/18/2025 1:42 AM, Titus G wrote:
    On 18/03/25 15:35, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 2:04 PM, Jay Morris wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 9:27 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 1:00 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 3/16/2025 1:09 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmbNZ8ZAcwU

    Blackfly ultralight. $190k

    Looks usable as long as you don't run out of electric juice.

    Lynn


    Yup. The range is too short for many applications.

    pt

    The two that have FAA Airworthiness Certification, Doroni Aerospace
    and Alef Aeronautics, the range is about 100 miles at around 90 mph.
    When I was working this would have worked for me. I figure about a 20
    minute flight verses an hour on the road.  There and back and charge
    overnight. But these are $300k+.

    Kicker is that the Alef actually looks like a car and is road-worthy.
    Well, car shaped. Doroni is drone-like.

    https://alef.aero/

    I don't know about the others, but one feature of the Blackfly is that
    a computer intermediates all the controls - the pilot/passenger merely
    tells it where he/she wants to go.

    I recently upgraded my Tesla[1] to "Full Self-Driving (supervised)",
    which lets it choose and execute its own routes. I simply hold down a
    button on the steering wheel while saying "Navigate to Yamato Japanese
    restaurant.", as I did a few hours ago.

    Sometimes it will pick routes I never would have thought of.
    Sometimes its better than I would have picked, sometimes not.

    [1] Another recent upgrade is a bumper sticker reading
    "I bought this before Elon went crazy."

    pt

    Fascinating. Any news on your truck?

    The chances of my buying a cybertruck are now pretty damn
    low. I'm retired, and don't really need a second vehicle.

    Besides which a short time ago (a week or two) Tesla stopped delivery on cybertruck orders because the metal sides were falling off and people complained.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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