• OT: Eruption on Hawaii

    From BCFD 36@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 9 11:27:44 2025
    We got home from The Big Island last week after a 10 day stay. We were fortunate enough to get to see a 600+ foot lava fountain. To say it was
    awe inspiring would be a vast understatement. We were too far away to
    feel the heat (about 1.8 miles), but the rumble from the vent, both
    auditory and the feeling in your chest was like nothing I've never
    experienced.

    Unfortunately, we couldn't get any closer. The road and trails were
    closed due to vog and Pele's Hair. At the start, I thought we were
    getting some detritus from the trees on the trail on us. We shortly
    later figured out it was Pele's Hair. We were covered. Our car was covered.

    Two hours later, the fountain laid down and stopped.

    It was all very surreal, so maybe somewhat on topic here.

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  • From Stefan Ram@21:1/5 to bcfd36@cruzio.com on Wed Apr 9 18:33:45 2025
    BCFD 36 <bcfd36@cruzio.com> wrote or quoted:
    We got home from The Big Island last week after a 10 day stay. We were

    Speaking of Hawaii, today (2025-04-10), it's 200 years ago that the
    first hotel opened in Hawaii (1825-04-10) (Major Warren's Hotel).

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to Stefan Ram on Thu Apr 10 07:54:36 2025
    On 9 Apr 2025 18:33:45 GMT, Stefan Ram wrote:

    BCFD 36 <bcfd36@cruzio.com> wrote or quoted:
    We got home from The Big Island last week after a 10 day stay. We were

    Speaking of Hawaii, today (2025-04-10), it's 200 years ago that the
    first hotel opened in Hawaii (1825-04-10) (Major Warren's Hotel).

    I'm going to Honolulu next month for my mother's 104th birthday.
    So I hope Pele will bless me with an eruption like that while I'm
    there and I'll hop a flight to the Big Island in a heartbeat.

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  • From BCFD 36@21:1/5 to Charles Packer on Thu Apr 10 11:13:11 2025
    On 4/10/25 00:54, Charles Packer wrote:
    On 9 Apr 2025 18:33:45 GMT, Stefan Ram wrote:

    BCFD 36 <bcfd36@cruzio.com> wrote or quoted:
    We got home from The Big Island last week after a 10 day stay. We were

    Speaking of Hawaii, today (2025-04-10), it's 200 years ago that the
    first hotel opened in Hawaii (1825-04-10) (Major Warren's Hotel).

    I'm going to Honolulu next month for my mother's 104th birthday.
    So I hope Pele will bless me with an eruption like that while I'm
    there and I'll hop a flight to the Big Island in a heartbeat.

    It is very "hit or miss". Just because it is erupting today, doesn't
    mean that it will be erupting tomorrow, or even in two hours. Good luck.

    If you do get to give it a try, make sure you have some kind of
    breathing mask. Pele's Hair can be very irritating to the nose and
    throat. It is also very itchy (ask me how I know!) if it gets into your
    skin, kind of like glass wool insulation. We saw one family wearing thin ponchos. The stuff coated our rental car, but blew off when we started
    driving.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to bcfd36@cruzio.com on Thu Apr 10 14:48:43 2025
    In article <vt91nn$3h2kb$2@dont-email.me>, BCFD 36 <bcfd36@cruzio.com> wrote: >On 4/10/25 00:54, Charles Packer wrote:

    I'm going to Honolulu next month for my mother's 104th birthday.
    So I hope Pele will bless me with an eruption like that while I'm
    there and I'll hop a flight to the Big Island in a heartbeat.

    It is very "hit or miss". Just because it is erupting today, doesn't
    mean that it will be erupting tomorrow, or even in two hours. Good luck.

    But, even if it's not erupting, Kilauea is beautiful and worth the visit.
    It's dry right now so you won't see the sort of orchids you'd see later in
    the year but it's still magnificent.
    --scott
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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to petertrei@gmail.com on Fri Apr 11 03:57:38 2025
    In article <vt9c1j$3r301$1@dont-email.me>,
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/10/2025 2:48 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    In article <vt91nn$3h2kb$2@dont-email.me>, BCFD 36
    <bcfd36@cruzio.com> wrote:
    On 4/10/25 00:54, Charles Packer wrote:

    I'm going to Honolulu next month for my mother's 104th birthday.
    So I hope Pele will bless me with an eruption like that while I'm
    there and I'll hop a flight to the Big Island in a heartbeat.

    It is very "hit or miss". Just because it is erupting today, doesn't
    mean that it will be erupting tomorrow, or even in two hours. Good luck.

    But, even if it's not erupting, Kilauea is beautiful and worth the visit.
    It's dry right now so you won't see the sort of orchids you'd see later in >> the year but it's still magnificent.
    --scott

    If you have time, and can manage the altitude, visit the Mauna Loa >Observatory. You need to go on one of the jitney tours (no car rentals).
    You won't be able to enter the telescope domes, but the view is other >worldly.

    It's at nearly 14,000 feet, and we stopped for a while at 9000 (where
    the base station is) to acclimate.

    Our tour was timed to start descending just after sunset, and the driver >stopped partway down to give us a sky tour, using a powerful handheld
    laser as a pointer, in the darkest sky you'll probably ever experience.

    We were allowed to drive up to an observation point on Mauna Kea
    in 2011. What we discovered is that not every car is able to do
    that. On the first attempt, the car reached marker five and it just
    would not continue up.

    Once we were up there, I was able to determine the anoxia slowed
    my reading speed by about one third, and running around was just
    not in the cards...
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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to g@crcomp.net on Fri Apr 11 13:57:34 2025
    In article <20250411a@crcomp.net>, Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
    James Nicoll wrote:
    Cryptoengineer wrote:
    Scott Dorsey wrote:
    BCFD 36:
    Charles Packer wrote:

    I'm going to Honolulu next month for my mother's 104th birthday.
    So I hope Pele will bless me with an eruption like that while I'm
    there and I'll hop a flight to the Big Island in a heartbeat.

    It is very "hit or miss". Just because it is erupting today, doesn't >>>>> mean that it will be erupting tomorrow, or even in two hours. Good luck. >>>>
    But, even if it's not erupting, Kilauea is beautiful and worth the visit. >>>> It's dry right now so you won't see the sort of orchids you'd see later in >>>> the year but it's still magnificent.
    --scott

    If you have time, and can manage the altitude, visit the Mauna Loa >>>Observatory. You need to go on one of the jitney tours (no car rentals). >>>You won't be able to enter the telescope domes, but the view is other >>>worldly.

    It's at nearly 14,000 feet, and we stopped for a while at 9000 (where
    the base station is) to acclimate.

    Our tour was timed to start descending just after sunset, and the driver >>>stopped partway down to give us a sky tour, using a powerful handheld >>>laser as a pointer, in the darkest sky you'll probably ever experience.

    We were allowed to drive up to an observation point on Mauna Kea
    in 2011. What we discovered is that not every car is able to do
    that. On the first attempt, the car reached marker five and it just
    would not continue up.

    Once we were up there, I was able to determine the anoxia slowed
    my reading speed by about one third, and running around was just
    not in the cards...

    One day, my bicycling buddy's brother, who lives in the Los Angeles
    metro area, had the bright idea for all of us to spin to the top of
    Mauna Kea on bicycles. Kea tops out at about 14,000 feet. How hard
    can it be?
    It seemed best to train for this tentative trip (it never
    happened) on my local mountain. [1] You can click on the link to look
    at the winding road up "my" mountain in the topmost picture. The highway >commences on the right side of the image and also winds up on the right
    side. All-in-all, an approximate 1,000 foot gain in elevation is
    achieved.
    If you do the math, repeating the loop fourteen times is equivalent
    to one spin up Mauna Kea. My training topped out at a triplet, three
    times around the loop, or a shade shy of a quarter of the way up Kea.
    In a word, it's torturous to spin up Kea.

    My brothers and a nephew scaled Mauna Loa on foot (I wasn't there
    yet) using grit, physical fitness and making the youngest one
    carry everything.

    One of my brothers had a friend who thought it would be a splendid
    idea to scuba dive, then drive up to the top of Mauna Kea. It turns
    out this is a great way to get the bends, and to run up medical
    costs high enough that guy will be working to pay off his debts
    for the rest of his life.

    My father, his sister, and a cousin (I think) climbed Maui's
    Haleakala as kids. The cousin had a backpack full of oranges.
    Whenever Bill and Gigi got thirsty, they'd sneak an orange out
    of the backpack. To make sure their cousin didn't notice their
    backpack getting lighter, they replaced each orange with a rock.
    By the time they got to the top, the backpack was mostly filled
    with rocks.

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  • From Don@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Fri Apr 11 13:46:01 2025
    James Nicoll wrote:
    Cryptoengineer wrote:
    Scott Dorsey wrote:
    BCFD 36:
    Charles Packer wrote:

    I'm going to Honolulu next month for my mother's 104th birthday.
    So I hope Pele will bless me with an eruption like that while I'm
    there and I'll hop a flight to the Big Island in a heartbeat.

    It is very "hit or miss". Just because it is erupting today, doesn't
    mean that it will be erupting tomorrow, or even in two hours. Good luck. >>>
    But, even if it's not erupting, Kilauea is beautiful and worth the visit. >>> It's dry right now so you won't see the sort of orchids you'd see later in >>> the year but it's still magnificent.
    --scott

    If you have time, and can manage the altitude, visit the Mauna Loa >>Observatory. You need to go on one of the jitney tours (no car rentals). >>You won't be able to enter the telescope domes, but the view is other >>worldly.

    It's at nearly 14,000 feet, and we stopped for a while at 9000 (where
    the base station is) to acclimate.

    Our tour was timed to start descending just after sunset, and the driver >>stopped partway down to give us a sky tour, using a powerful handheld
    laser as a pointer, in the darkest sky you'll probably ever experience.

    We were allowed to drive up to an observation point on Mauna Kea
    in 2011. What we discovered is that not every car is able to do
    that. On the first attempt, the car reached marker five and it just
    would not continue up.

    Once we were up there, I was able to determine the anoxia slowed
    my reading speed by about one third, and running around was just
    not in the cards...

    One day, my bicycling buddy's brother, who lives in the Los Angeles
    metro area, had the bright idea for all of us to spin to the top of
    Mauna Kea on bicycles. Kea tops out at about 14,000 feet. How hard
    can it be?
    It seemed best to train for this tentative trip (it never
    happened) on my local mountain. [1] You can click on the link to look
    at the winding road up "my" mountain in the topmost picture. The highway commences on the right side of the image and also winds up on the right
    side. All-in-all, an approximate 1,000 foot gain in elevation is
    achieved.
    If you do the math, repeating the loop fourteen times is equivalent
    to one spin up Mauna Kea. My training topped out at a triplet, three
    times around the loop, or a shade shy of a quarter of the way up Kea.
    In a word, it's torturous to spin up Kea.
    On the other hand, audio books are absorbed, or uploaded, by me
    either on bicycle spins or during dog walks. So my training triplet
    offered overflowing opportunity to give books a hearing.

    Note.

    [1] <https://crcomp.net/arts/spintale/>

    Danke,

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to petertrei@gmail.com on Fri Apr 11 17:53:06 2025
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    Sounds tiring, but can your spin system make you do it with a
    40% oxygen deficiency?

    To add to my story: On the way up, we passed a cyclist, going up.
    He arrived at the top of the road about 45 minutes behind us.

    Going up mountains like this is much too dangerous. You could slip and
    fall. You could get a hangnail. You could get to the top just to find
    the Bordeaux is corked. A friend of mine in high school went to the
    top of Tantalus in her boyfriend's car and wound up pregnant. It's just
    not worth the risk.

    No, it's much safer to go mountain climbing on Wake Island. There's no
    need to use the lower gears on the bicycle and if something goes wrong,
    the officer's club is able to deliver a martini anywhere when it is needed.

    Plus when you get back to Honolulu you'll be able to tell all the young
    girls elaborate stories of how you climbed to the highest peak on the
    island there.
    --scott

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  • From Titus G@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sat Apr 12 14:10:32 2025
    On 12/04/25 09:53, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    Sounds tiring, but can your spin system make you do it with a
    40% oxygen deficiency?

    To add to my story: On the way up, we passed a cyclist, going up.
    He arrived at the top of the road about 45 minutes behind us.

    Going up mountains like this is much too dangerous. You could slip and
    fall. You could get a hangnail. You could get to the top just to find
    the Bordeaux is corked. A friend of mine in high school went to the
    top of Tantalus in her boyfriend's car and wound up pregnant. It's just
    not worth the risk.

    No, it's much safer to go mountain climbing on Wake Island. There's no
    need to use the lower gears on the bicycle and if something goes wrong,
    the officer's club is able to deliver a martini anywhere when it is needed.

    Plus when you get back to Honolulu you'll be able to tell all the young
    girls elaborate stories of how you climbed to the highest peak on the
    island there.
    --scott


    Thank you. Whilst I was interested in the experiences of previous
    contributors to this thread, thank you for your humour, a feature seldom
    now seen here except for Dimensional Traveller's comments.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Titus G on Fri Apr 11 21:23:37 2025
    On 4/11/2025 7:10 PM, Titus G wrote:
    On 12/04/25 09:53, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    Sounds tiring, but can your spin system make you do it with a
    40% oxygen deficiency?

    To add to my story: On the way up, we passed a cyclist, going up.
    He arrived at the top of the road about 45 minutes behind us.

    Going up mountains like this is much too dangerous. You could slip and
    fall. You could get a hangnail. You could get to the top just to find
    the Bordeaux is corked. A friend of mine in high school went to the
    top of Tantalus in her boyfriend's car and wound up pregnant. It's just
    not worth the risk.

    No, it's much safer to go mountain climbing on Wake Island. There's no
    need to use the lower gears on the bicycle and if something goes wrong,
    the officer's club is able to deliver a martini anywhere when it is needed. >>
    Plus when you get back to Honolulu you'll be able to tell all the young
    girls elaborate stories of how you climbed to the highest peak on the
    island there.
    --scott


    Thank you. Whilst I was interested in the experiences of previous contributors to this thread, thank you for your humour, a feature seldom
    now seen here except for Dimensional Traveller's comments.

    o_O Is that good or bad?

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  • From Titus G@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Sun Apr 13 19:10:04 2025
    On 12/04/25 16:23, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 4/11/2025 7:10 PM, Titus G wrote:
    On 12/04/25 09:53, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Cryptoengineer  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    Sounds tiring, but can your spin system make you do it with a
    40% oxygen deficiency?

    To add to my story: On the way up, we passed a cyclist, going up.
    He arrived at the top of the road about 45 minutes behind us.

    Going up mountains like this is much too dangerous.  You could slip and >>> fall.  You could get a hangnail.  You could get to the top just to find >>> the Bordeaux is corked.  A friend of mine in high school went to the
    top of Tantalus in her boyfriend's car and wound up pregnant.  It's just >>> not worth the risk.

    No, it's much safer to go mountain climbing on Wake Island.  There's no >>> need to use the lower gears on the bicycle and if something goes wrong,
    the officer's club is able to deliver a martini anywhere when it is
    needed.

    Plus when you get back to Honolulu you'll be able to tell all the young
    girls elaborate stories of how you climbed to the highest peak on the
    island there.
    --scott


    Thank you. Whilst I was interested in the experiences of previous
    contributors to this thread, thank you for your humour, a feature seldom
    now seen here except for Dimensional Traveller's comments.

    o_O   Is that good or bad?


    Good. It was a compliment. Apologies for temporarily forgetting James
    Nichol's occasional anti-usa outbursts and the epic Dimwire Apocalyptic
    Carpark Saga; brilliant.
    And you taught me by example how to bait Jibini with humour rather than confrontation. What a laugh that was.

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  • From BCFD 36@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Mon Apr 14 10:16:33 2025
    On 4/10/25 14:09, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 4/10/2025 2:48 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    In article <vt91nn$3h2kb$2@dont-email.me>, BCFD 36
    <bcfd36@cruzio.com> wrote:
    On 4/10/25 00:54, Charles Packer wrote:

    I'm going to Honolulu next month for my mother's 104th birthday.
    So I hope Pele will bless me with an eruption like that while I'm
    there and I'll hop a flight to the Big Island in a heartbeat.

    It is very "hit or miss". Just because it is erupting today, doesn't
    mean that it will be erupting tomorrow, or even in two hours. Good luck.

    But, even if it's not erupting, Kilauea is beautiful and worth the visit.
    It's dry right now so you won't see the sort of orchids you'd see
    later in
    the year but it's still magnificent.
    --scott

    If you have time, and can manage the altitude, visit the Mauna Loa Observatory. You need to go on one of the jitney tours (no car rentals).
    You won't be able to enter the telescope domes, but the view is other worldly.

    I would have loved to do that. There were two problems.
    1. The rangers there were actively making sure that no one went up that
    road that didn't have 4WD.
    2. My wife does not handle altitude well. I'm not sure I handle it well
    any more.


    It's at nearly 14,000 feet, and we stopped for a while at 9000 (where
    the base station is) to acclimate.

    Our tour was timed to start descending just after sunset, and the driver stopped partway down to give us a sky tour, using a powerful handheld
    laser as a pointer, in the darkest sky you'll probably ever experience.

    That sounds fantastic.



    pt

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    Captain - Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
    Board of Directors - Boulder Creek Fire Protection District (What was I thinking?)

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  • From BCFD 36@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Mon Apr 14 10:26:44 2025
    On 4/11/25 14:53, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    Sounds tiring, but can your spin system make you do it with a
    40% oxygen deficiency?

    To add to my story: On the way up, we passed a cyclist, going up.
    He arrived at the top of the road about 45 minutes behind us.

    Going up mountains like this is much too dangerous. You could slip and
    fall. You could get a hangnail. You could get to the top just to find
    the Bordeaux is corked. A friend of mine in high school went to the
    top of Tantalus in her boyfriend's car and wound up pregnant. It's just
    not worth the risk.

    No, it's much safer to go mountain climbing on Wake Island. There's no
    need to use the lower gears on the bicycle and if something goes wrong,
    the officer's club is able to deliver a martini anywhere when it is needed.

    This sounds like going to from the lowest point to the highest point in
    Dallam County, Texas. Of course, given the choice between West Texas and
    a Pacific Island with alcohol deliveries, the choice is quite simple.


    Plus when you get back to Honolulu you'll be able to tell all the young
    girls elaborate stories of how you climbed to the highest peak on the
    island there.
    --scott


    --
    ----------------

    Dave Scruggs
    Senior Software Engineer - Lockheed Martin, et. al (mostly Retired)
    Captain - Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
    Board of Directors - Boulder Creek Fire Protection District (What was I thinking?)

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