“Trump’s ‘Golden Dome’ Missile Shield Expected To Cost $500 Billion”
https://headlineusa.com/trumps-golden-dome-missile-shield-expected-to-cost-500-billion/
“(Dave DeCamp, Antiwar.com) President Trump’s plan to develop a new
massive missile defense system for the US, dubbed the “Golden Dome” or
the “Iron Dome for America,” is expected to cost $500 billion over the
next 20 years, CNN reported on Monday, citing an estimate from the >Congressional Budget Office.”
“The project will be a boondoggle for US weapons makers, and, according
to a report from Reuters, Elon Musk’s SpaceX has emerged as a
frontrunner to develop key parts of the missile shield. The report said >SpaceX has partnered with Palantir and Anduril on the project.”
Worth it. But the cost will be $5 trillion.
BTW, I fully expect to see two or more space stations, a space gas
station, and a space hotel out of this. SpaceX is going to put up a lot
of equipment to support the Golden Dome.
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
Trying to catch up to Star Wars caused the Soviet Union to go broke.
Sure. Pull the other one.
On 5/21/2025 10:38 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 17:26:55 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
“Trump’s ‘Golden Dome’ Missile Shield Expected To Cost $500 Billion”
https://headlineusa.com/trumps-golden-dome-missile-shield-expected-to-cost-500-billion/
“(Dave DeCamp, Antiwar.com) President Trump’s plan to develop a new
massive missile defense system for the US, dubbed the “Golden Dome” or
the “Iron Dome for America,” is expected to cost $500 billion over the
next 20 years, CNN reported on Monday, citing an estimate from the
Congressional Budget Office.”
“The project will be a boondoggle for US weapons makers, and, according
to a report from Reuters, Elon Musk’s SpaceX has emerged as a
frontrunner to develop key parts of the missile shield. The report said
SpaceX has partnered with Palantir and Anduril on the project.”
Worth it. But the cost will be $5 trillion.
BTW, I fully expect to see two or more space stations, a space gas
station, and a space hotel out of this. SpaceX is going to put up a lot >>> of equipment to support the Golden Dome.
Gotta find /something/ to do with the money freed up by cancelling
Social Security!
I expect not. My wife went on Social Security six months ago. I go on >Medicare June 1, my wife went on Medicare over two years ago.
On 5/20/2025 5:26 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
“Trump’s ‘Golden Dome’ Missile Shield Expected To Cost $500 Billion”
https://headlineusa.com/trumps-golden-dome-missile-shield-expected-to-
cost-500-billion/
“(Dave DeCamp, Antiwar.com) President Trump’s plan to develop a new
massive missile defense system for the US, dubbed the “Golden Dome” or
the “Iron Dome for America,” is expected to cost $500 billion over the
next 20 years, CNN reported on Monday, citing an estimate from the
Congressional Budget Office.”
“The project will be a boondoggle for US weapons makers, and, according
to a report from Reuters, Elon Musk’s SpaceX has emerged as a
frontrunner to develop key parts of the missile shield. The report said
SpaceX has partnered with Palantir and Anduril on the project.”
Worth it. But the cost will be $5 trillion.
BTW, I fully expect to see two or more space stations, a space gas
station, and a space hotel out of this. SpaceX is going to put up a lot
of equipment to support the Golden Dome.
Lynn
“China Demands US Scrap Golden Dome Missile Defense System As It Will
'Turn Space Into A Battlefield'”
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-demands-us-scrap-golden-dome-missile-defense-system-it-will-turn-space
Maybe we should put a Golden Dome over Taiwan also.
On 5/22/2025 3:10 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 5/22/2025 11:09 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Social Security and Medicare will not die until the financial apocalypse >>> of the United States. Pray that it does not happen.
You are not paying attention. The just passed big ugly bill cuts
a half-trillion dollars from medicare. Not to mention the gutting
of medicaid, which will cause many rural hospitals to close outright.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5312712-house-gop-bill-medicare-cuts/
Not gonna happen, just wishful thinking on your part. Three million
people a year are joining Medicare (the last of the baby boomers), 65 >million or so at the moment, and one million a year are leaving. That
is a huge voting block. And seniors vote in the USA.
On 5/24/25 12:16, Lynn McGuire wrote:
We are not China where the families sell their young teens to theNo we send our young teens to work in poultry packing plants
factories for $5,000. At least, not yet.
and in other dangerous and unhealthy jobs. In case you had not heard >Southern states particularly are repealing Child Labor laws, after all what >is there to do with all that learning after the 8th Grade?
On 5/24/2025 9:55 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 5/22/2025 4:19 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/22/2025 3:10 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:Not gonna happen, just wishful thinking on your part. Three million
On 5/22/2025 11:09 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Social Security and Medicare will not die until the financial
apocalypse
of the United States. Pray that it does not happen.
You are not paying attention. The just passed big ugly bill cuts
a half-trillion dollars from medicare. Not to mention the gutting
of medicaid, which will cause many rural hospitals to close outright.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5312712-house-gop-bill-medicare-cuts/ >>>
people a year are joining Medicare (the last of the baby boomers), 65
million or so at the moment, and one million a year are leaving. That
is a huge voting block. And seniors vote in the USA.
Lynn
There are lots of people who can be persuaded to vote against their
own interests if they are told it will hurt someone they dislike.
The recent election is an example.
pt
No, the people of the USA voted the thieves out. And for sanity.
On 5/25/2025 4:32 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 5/25/2025 9:15 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 24 May 2025 14:18:10 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/24/2025 9:55 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 5/22/2025 4:19 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/22/2025 3:10 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 5/22/2025 11:09 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Social Security and Medicare will not die until the financial
apocalypse
of the United States. Pray that it does not happen.
You are not paying attention. The just passed big ugly bill cuts >>>>>>> a half-trillion dollars from medicare. Not to mention the gutting >>>>>>> of medicaid, which will cause many rural hospitals to close outright. >>>>>>>
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5312712-house-gop-bill-
medicare-cuts/
Not gonna happen, just wishful thinking on your part. Three million >>>>>> people a year are joining Medicare (the last of the baby boomers), 65 >>>>>> million or so at the moment, and one million a year are leaving. That >>>>>> is a huge voting block. And seniors vote in the USA.
Lynn
There are lots of people who can be persuaded to vote against their
own interests if they are told it will hurt someone they dislike.
The recent election is an example.
pt
No, the people of the USA voted the thieves out. And for sanity.
Well, they made a /big/ mistake. Sanity is definitely lacking.
Or has DOGE actually referred /anyone/ for investigation of fraud?
Has DOGE even discovered any actual fraud?
So far, DOGE is just another Nothingburger.
DOGE has actually increased government expenditures with all the
lawsuits, re-hirings, etc. that their actions caused. And if you look
at the pattern of what they _actually_ did it appears that the whole
thing was intended to get Musk's AI access to confidential government
records.
Numbers please from a reputable source.
1. DOGE famously marked a very large number of records "deceased"
because of the age of SSN-holder. This may have clarified some things.
Sadly, the SSA was not sending payments to them.
When I took an economics class, it was pointed out that the Soviet
Union was planning its economy using typists and carbon copies. It was >projected that in a few decades (which would have been the 80s), if
this continued, 100% of the adult population would be involved in
economic /planning/, leaving nobody to do the actual work.
A related theory suggests that this caused the Soviets to modernize,
that is, move to computers. Which they of course "invented" after
careful examination of American PCs. This helped with the clerical
problems, but it produced two more:
-- printers/photocopiers could be diverted to print /samizdat/ books
-- networking could send file copies of /samizdat/ books everywhere to
be printed out everywhere
which made control of publishing (ie, censorship) a lot harder.
So, from this, the possibility that the Soviet Union found itself
between a rock and a hard place in trying to plan everything exists.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
1. DOGE famously marked a very large number of records "deceased"
because of the age of SSN-holder. This may have clarified some things. >>Sadly, the SSA was not sending payments to them.
In a lot of cases, those records were listed as having a birthday of
May 20, 1875, and this was used by some of the DOGE folks to claim great
and massive fraud. Unfortunately this happens to be the beginning of
epoch for ANSI COBOL format dates, and it's normally used as a semaphore
to indicate a missing date.
Not that someone shouldn't investigate why dates were missing, but that >response is different than the response that was created.
I am certainly in favor of having independent third-party auditors look
over government systems in search of waste. But first of all they need
to be actually independent, and secondly they need to understand the
systems they are looking at.
On 5/24/2025 2:54 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 5/24/25 12:18, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/24/2025 9:55 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 5/22/2025 4:19 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/22/2025 3:10 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 5/22/2025 11:09 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Social Security and Medicare will not die until the financial
apocalypse
of the United States. Pray that it does not happen.
You are not paying attention. The just passed big ugly bill cuts
a half-trillion dollars from medicare. Not to mention the gutting >>>>>> of medicaid, which will cause many rural hospitals to close outright. >>>>>>
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5312712-house-gop-bill-medicare- >>>>>> cuts/
Not gonna happen, just wishful thinking on your part. Three million >>>>> people a year are joining Medicare (the last of the baby boomers),
65 million or so at the moment, and one million a year are leaving. >>>>> That is a huge voting block. And seniors vote in the USA.
Lynn
There are lots of people who can be persuaded to vote against their
own interests if they are told it will hurt someone they dislike.
The recent election is an example.
pt
No, the people of the USA voted the thieves out. And for sanity.
Lynn
Sanity brought the stock market down?
The thieves are the now the mal-administration.
They only rob from the poores to give to the richest in our new
Gilded Age.
Would that be Hood Donald of Manhattan
The most corrupt administration yet to be seen.
But that is just my opinion.
bliss
Sorry but no. Trump is trying to fix the sins of the last 30 years but
I do not think that they are fixable. Congress is trying to spend even
more money than we don't have.
Bad times are coming. There is a documentary already written about the >economic collapse of the USA: "The Mandibles: A Family, 2029-2047" by
Lionel Shriver
https://www.amazon.com/Mandibles-Family-2029-2047-Lionel-Shriver/dp/0062328247
The disaster starts in 2029. Yup, just under four years from now.
Better have a plan.
Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/30/2025 11:32 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Many people of gone through the numbers, taking every penny of the rich
will not be even close to fixing the USA debt.
The only way to fix the debt problem through taxes is to tax the middle
class to death. And the uniparty is rightfully scared to do so.
In 1993 the Canadian federal government debt was 12.2 percent of GDP.
The net government debt was far worse, as our provinces were far deeper
in debt than your states are allowed to be.
The currency was so weak we began to call it the "Zloty".
The Liberal government eliminated the debt in five years, and we had >surpluses up to the Wall Street crimes of 2009.
This was done with some tax hikes, some spending cuts, many spending >freezes, and a growing economy. There were protests, of course, there
was anger. But it happened and the Liberals remained in power for
twelve years.
Currently the US federal deficit is about 15% of GDP, but your states
are in much better shape than our provinces were. And while we couldn't >squeeze much out of defense cuts you can cut tens of billions and it
will just be a pinprick.
You can beat this without an apocalypse, without firing the people in
charge of your nuclear weapons, without cutting off HIV meds to hundreds
of thousands of poor people, without even taxing the rich a whole lot more.
You need time, a growing economy, some fiscal restraint, some tax
increases. And patience.
If you do this, you'll wonder what all the fuss was about.
Though certain writers will need to find a different theme.
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 5/30/2025 11:32 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2025 19:13:37 -0500, Lynn McGuire
If he were doing /that/, he would be insisting on taxing the rich to
reduce the National Debt. And shore up Social Security.
Sigh. Your mantra of taxing the rich grows tiring.
Sigh, your right-wing mantra is bankrupt and your constant
harping on financial apocalypse had been tiring for years now.
Many people of gone through the numbers, taking every penny of the rich >>will not be even close to fixing the USA debt.
The first step is to balance the budget. And that must be done by
restoring tax levels on the wealthy to the levels during the
late nineties, when the democratic president actually balanced
the annual budget. Although the post war levels of taxing the
wealthy would be far better for america in general.
The only way to fix the debt problem through taxes is to tax the middle >>class to death.
Horseshit on all counts.
Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2025 18:16:04 -0400, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
wrote:
Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 5/30/2025 11:32 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Many people of gone through the numbers, taking every penny of the rich >>>> will not be even close to fixing the USA debt.
The only way to fix the debt problem through taxes is to tax the middle >>>> class to death. And the uniparty is rightfully scared to do so.
Should have said "deficit" there, rather than debt.
In 1993 the Canadian federal government debt was 12.2 percent of GDP.
The net government debt was far worse, as our provinces were far deeper
in debt than your states are allowed to be.
The currency was so weak we began to call it the "Zloty".
The Liberal government eliminated the debt in five years, and we had
surpluses up to the Wall Street crimes of 2009.
Again, "defect". I really should proofread these.
This was done with some tax hikes, some spending cuts, many spending
freezes, and a growing economy. There were protests, of course, there
was anger. But it happened and the Liberals remained in power for
twelve years.
Currently the US federal deficit is about 15% of GDP, but your states
are in much better shape than our provinces were. And while we couldn't >>> squeeze much out of defense cuts you can cut tens of billions and it
will just be a pinprick.
You can beat this without an apocalypse, without firing the people in
charge of your nuclear weapons, without cutting off HIV meds to hundreds >>> of thousands of poor people, without even taxing the rich a whole lot more.
You need time, a growing economy, some fiscal restraint, some tax
increases. And patience.
If you do this, you'll wonder what all the fuss was about.
Though certain writers will need to find a different theme.
But neither major Party is interested. That sort of thing just isn't
sexy enough.
I didn't say you would, only that you can.
But an absolute prerequisite for it to happen is that people realize
that it can happen. Rather than spending 100% of their time decrying the >policies of the current parties, commentators should dial that back to
95%, and spend five percent talking about rational actions. Even if
these are only theoretical. Who knows, five percent of the population
might agree.
Let us never forget the career of E. Scrydgemour, who ran as the
temperance party candidate against Winston Churchill, and lost six times
in succession. But on the seventh, he won. That which is declared >impossible in politics can happen.
Our problems run much deeper than mere economics.
Problems tend to be connected. Reduce one problem's severity and it
will have a good effect on other problems.
On 03/06/2025 18:55, William Hyde wrote:
Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2025 18:16:04 -0400, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
wrote:
The Liberal government eliminated the debt in five years, and we had
surpluses up to the Wall Street crimes of 2009.
Again, "defect". I really should proofread these.
Deficit? "The amount by which expenditures
or liabilities exceed income or assets."
In government, deficit means borrowing money,
i.e. increasing your debt. If you have a lot
of debt, then borrowing more money is hard
to justify.
A government can just print more money, yes.
But it seems to be generally believed that that
doesn't work.
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