• Re: Trumps Golden Dome Missile Shield Expected To Cost $500 Billion

    From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Wed Jul 9 14:30:14 2025
    On 7/9/25 11:03, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Sat, 24 May 2025 12:58:06 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

    No we send our young teens to work in poultry packing plants
    and in other dangerous and unhealthy jobs. In case you had not heard
    Southern states particularly are repealing Child Labor laws, after all what >> is there to do with all that learning after the 8th Grade?

    I dunno - I did my pre-calculus and first calculus classes in high
    school after 8th grade and that's somewhat important in engineering :)

    But these kids are infrequently going to go to institutions of higher learning
    where they will get STEM degrees where they might be corrupted by "woke" professors.
    Sorry I did not add a sarcasm tag to my remarks.

    I did caculus in HS but I had forgotten most of it by the time I was in Reactor Health Physics training and the teacher of that math class took
    an adversarial role in the class room.

    bliss

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Wed Jul 9 14:38:19 2025
    On 7/9/25 11:04, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Sat, 24 May 2025 20:39:34 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    No, the people of the USA voted the thieves out. And for sanity.

    Your view seems distorted as we still have thieves running things. Unless you are very very well off you will be suffering from the thieves
    after the elections in 2026. Most of the money stolen from the people's
    taxes will go to fund the Gestapo, oops I should have typed iCE. That
    is the new private army of the Miller-Trump axis.


    No, 1/3 the electorate didn't vote at all. So really, about 25%
    of americans actually voted for the orange clown.

    So are you arguing for the Australian system of mandatory voting?

    He may not be arguing for it but i might. Too many people will be affected by elections to let any of them stand aside. Politics in the USA
    are no fun but a Citizen's first duty it to stay informed and vote for
    what you believe in as often as possible.

    bliss

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Wed Jul 9 22:22:15 2025
    Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> writes:


    On 7/9/25 11:04, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Sat, 24 May 2025 20:39:34 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    No, the people of the USA voted the thieves out. And for sanity.

    Your view seems distorted as we still have thieves running things.

    You've misattributed that view - it was Lynn that wrote that garbage.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.co on Wed Jul 9 19:22:26 2025
    Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    But these kids are infrequently going to go to institutions of higher
    learning
    where they will get STEM degrees where they might be corrupted by "woke" >professors.

    It's true. Once children are told that zero has no absolute value they completely abandon their value system and become atheists.
    --scott
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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com on Sun Jul 20 01:48:17 2025
    On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 14:30:14 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

    I did caculus in HS but I had forgotten most of it by the time I was in
    Reactor Health Physics training and the teacher of that math class took
    an adversarial role in the class room.

    My math teacher in high school had a 6' long wooden slide rule on his
    wall in class. We had had both federal and provincial elections (which
    in Canada unlike the US are held separately) during my senior high
    years and knew our math teacher was on the 'left' side of things but
    also knew he would simply NOT discuss party politics even during the
    two elections (which is definitely not the case in schools these days
    during elections).

    Found out while I was in university that old Mr Ewen had been in Spain
    during the Spanish Civil War, joined the Canadian army in the UK in
    1939 without having returned to Canada after his discharge from the
    Brigades in early 1939, fought till 1945 and got his engineering and
    teaching degrees on the Canadian version of the GI bill. The only time
    his service with the Brigades came up in conversation with any of his
    students was when he said that in 1946 he had been abroad for 10 years
    and since we knew WW2 hadn't been THAT long he then told us what he
    was doing 1936-39 (and I'm pretty sure he knew that my grandfather had
    been the candidate in our district for the Conservative party in 1965
    and 1968 but never mentioned it)

    He died in 2005 and while I certainly didn't share his politics he was
    one helluva man and and one helluva teacher. No question he left me
    superbly prepared for university level mathematics.

    (The year after high school my father came home with an early 4
    function calculator that he had paid $100 for - the kind of functions
    you would pay at most $5 for now.)

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com on Sun Jul 20 01:56:24 2025
    On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 14:38:19 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

    No, 1/3 the electorate didn't vote at all. So really, about 25%
    of americans actually voted for the orange clown.

    So are you arguing for the Australian system of mandatory voting?

    He may not be arguing for it but i might. Too many people will be
    affected by elections to let any of them stand aside. Politics in the USA >are no fun but a Citizen's first duty it to stay informed and vote for
    what you believe in as often as possible.

    All I can say is "Amen!" - and not just in the USA either. I have
    always been amazed that the voter turnout level in the US is almost
    always amongst the lowest in both NATO and the "Anglosphere"

    [(In 2016 we were vacationing in Britain and purely by accident
    happened to be there in the two weeks before the Brexit referendum -
    wow! I was told by locals that campaign banners on ships on the Thames
    were NOT common in most British elections but were very definitely
    present in force during the Brexit vote)]

    As a Canadian we have separate elections for each level of government
    (e.g. national, provincial, local) and at least in the first two the
    turnout is fairly high. You even had big lines in 2021 during COVID
    though at that election our voting lines were longer as we were
    standing much further apart than usual!

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to lcraver@home.ca on Sun Jul 20 13:12:32 2025
    In article <pbbp7kp0o8eot5hpevpu5b1dkiioc2ioeq@4ax.com>,
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 14:38:19 -0700, Bobbie Sellers ><bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

    No, 1/3 the electorate didn't vote at all. So really, about 25%
    of americans actually voted for the orange clown.

    So are you arguing for the Australian system of mandatory voting?

    He may not be arguing for it but i might. Too many people will be >>affected by elections to let any of them stand aside. Politics in the USA >>are no fun but a Citizen's first duty it to stay informed and vote for
    what you believe in as often as possible.

    All I can say is "Amen!" - and not just in the USA either. I have
    always been amazed that the voter turnout level in the US is almost
    always amongst the lowest in both NATO and the "Anglosphere"

    [(In 2016 we were vacationing in Britain and purely by accident
    happened to be there in the two weeks before the Brexit referendum -
    wow! I was told by locals that campaign banners on ships on the Thames
    were NOT common in most British elections but were very definitely
    present in force during the Brexit vote)]

    As a Canadian we have separate elections for each level of government
    (e.g. national, provincial, local) and at least in the first two the
    turnout is fairly high. You even had big lines in 2021 during COVID
    though at that election our voting lines were longer as we were
    standing much further apart than usual!

    Turnout in the last Ontario election was kind of crap, and it can't
    have helped that it was in the middle of winter and 90% of the voters
    did not receive their Voter Id Cards. VICs are misnamed: they can
    help ID a voter but what they are really for is to let the voter
    know where their advanced poll is and where their voting day poll
    is. This info can be had online... if the voter thinks to look,
    but many do not.

    The issue with the VICs was supposedly a combination of backlog from
    a postal strike, lack of time to mail them (it was a super-short
    election), and for some reason the VICs jammed the mail sorting
    machines. I've never heard of the last one happening. Many voters
    thought it was part of an American-style deliberate effort to suppress
    the vote and as I was the guy they first encountered, I got to hear
    that _a lot_. I don't know if it was, beyond the time issue.

    I did have one rather aggressive, easily angered voter who was not
    aware the provincial election, the federal election, and the Liberal
    Party of Canada election were three different things. That was a
    conversation up there with the time a patron yelled at me for a very
    long time because my theatre was in the wrong building.
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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Sun Jul 20 13:26:33 2025
    In article <105iq00$pvo$1@reader1.panix.com>,
    James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
    In article <pbbp7kp0o8eot5hpevpu5b1dkiioc2ioeq@4ax.com>,
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 14:38:19 -0700, Bobbie Sellers >><bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

    No, 1/3 the electorate didn't vote at all. So really, about 25%
    of americans actually voted for the orange clown.

    So are you arguing for the Australian system of mandatory voting?

    He may not be arguing for it but i might. Too many people will be >>>affected by elections to let any of them stand aside. Politics in the USA >>>are no fun but a Citizen's first duty it to stay informed and vote for >>>what you believe in as often as possible.

    All I can say is "Amen!" - and not just in the USA either. I have
    always been amazed that the voter turnout level in the US is almost
    always amongst the lowest in both NATO and the "Anglosphere"

    [(In 2016 we were vacationing in Britain and purely by accident
    happened to be there in the two weeks before the Brexit referendum -
    wow! I was told by locals that campaign banners on ships on the Thames
    were NOT common in most British elections but were very definitely
    present in force during the Brexit vote)]

    As a Canadian we have separate elections for each level of government
    (e.g. national, provincial, local) and at least in the first two the >>turnout is fairly high. You even had big lines in 2021 during COVID
    though at that election our voting lines were longer as we were
    standing much further apart than usual!

    Turnout in the last Ontario election was kind of crap, and it can't
    have helped that it was in the middle of winter and 90% of the voters
    did not receive their Voter Id Cards. VICs are misnamed: they can
    help ID a voter but what they are really for is to let the voter
    know where their advanced poll is and where their voting day poll
    is. This info can be had online... if the voter thinks to look,
    but many do not.

    A common element in federal and provincial elections is that on
    voting day, you can only vote at your assigned polling place. We
    get lots of people showing up where they voted before, or they
    assume that they can vote anywhere in their riding, or they
    misread their VIC and their polling place is the one right across
    the street from the one I am working in [1].

    The last federal election, I was a registration officer, which
    means if someone shows up and is at the right polling place, I
    am the one who registers them so they can vote. I ran into a
    problem none of the far more experienced staff members had
    encountered, involving addresses.

    The voter showed up with no VIC but sufficient ID to show they
    were who they said and a Canadian citizen. They had forms proving
    they lived where they said they lived. However, they had just moved
    into their brand-new house on their brand-new street and neither
    the house nor the street was in any database we could access.
    For that to happen, the place had to be less than... five or
    six days old.

    The reason this mattered is because only the registration officer
    at your assigned polling place is supposed to register you and
    we couldn't tell where the voter was supposed to be. However,
    she did know the nearest major intersection, and I was able to
    ID where the street would have been on my map if it had been
    on my map. It was in the next riding over. So, I called their
    head office, explained the situation, and arranged for the voter
    to be registered there.




    1: That happened in 2015: there was one polling place south of Chopin/Westmount, and one north of Chopin/Westmound.
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