• Re: [OT] Not TACO anymore?

    From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Wed Jun 18 17:45:24 2025
    On 6/18/2025 5:35 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 6/18/2025 6:22 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 18/06/2025 23:32, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    The muslims are busy taking over Europe, up to somewhere between 10%
    and 20% of the population now.

    [Citation Needed]

    As far as I can tell, it's a bit over 5%, but may reach 10% by about
    2050 if immigration stays at roughly the current level, which is mostly
    driven by war.

    This isn't the most recent article, but it has a nice graph:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/11/29/europes-growing-
    muslim- population/

    6% according to this article:
       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

    I read an article recently that claimed UK is at 10% and France is at
    20% so wiki may be understating the numbers.

    Or people who want to stir up trouble are overstating them.

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Thu Jun 19 13:35:48 2025
    In article <102vmj1$3ffll$1@dont-email.me>,
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 6/18/2025 5:35 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 6/18/2025 6:22 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 18/06/2025 23:32, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    The muslims are busy taking over Europe, up to somewhere between 10%
    and 20% of the population now.

    [Citation Needed]

    As far as I can tell, it's a bit over 5%, but may reach 10% by about
    2050 if immigration stays at roughly the current level, which is mostly
    driven by war.

    This isn't the most recent article, but it has a nice graph:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/11/29/europes-growing-
    muslim- population/

    6% according to this article:
       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

    I read an article recently that claimed UK is at 10% and France is at
    20% so wiki may be understating the numbers.

    Or people who want to stir up trouble are overstating them.

    It's important to remember that Lynn will believe anything that's
    politically convenient if it was true, regardless of the actual
    facts.
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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Thu Jun 19 08:14:24 2025
    On 6/18/25 17:35, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 6/18/2025 6:22 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 18/06/2025 23:32, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    The muslims are busy taking over Europe, up to somewhere between 10%
    and 20% of the population now.

    [Citation Needed]

    As far as I can tell, it's a bit over 5%, but may reach 10% by about
    2050 if immigration stays at roughly the current level, which is mostly
    driven by war.

    This isn't the most recent article, but it has a nice graph:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/11/29/europes-growing-
    muslim- population/

    6% according to this article:
       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

    I read an article recently that claimed UK is at 10% and France is at
    20% so wiki may be understating the numbers.>
    Lynn

    Today I read this:

    France's Muslim population is estimated to be around 9 million, making
    it the second-largest religion in the country after Christianity. This represents approximately 13% of the total French population. The
    majority of French Muslims are of foreign origin, with a significant
    portion having roots in North Africa.
    Here's a more detailed breakdown:
    Size:
    The Muslim population in France is estimated to be around 9 million people. Percentage of population:
    This represents approximately 13% of the total French population.
    Origins:
    The majority of French Muslims are of foreign origin, with a large
    proportion coming from North Africa, according to a study by Brookings. Denominations:
    The majority of French Muslims are Sunni, but there are also significant
    Shia and non-denominational Muslim populations.
    Growth:
    France's Muslim population has grown in recent decades due to factors
    like immigration and higher birth rates, according to Wikipedia.


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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to a425couple@hotmail.com on Thu Jun 19 15:25:13 2025
    a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> writes:
    On 6/18/25 17:35, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 6/18/2025 6:22 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 18/06/2025 23:32, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    The muslims are busy taking over Europe, up to somewhere between 10%
    and 20% of the population now.

    [Citation Needed]

    As far as I can tell, it's a bit over 5%, but may reach 10% by about
    2050 if immigration stays at roughly the current level, which is mostly
    driven by war.

    This isn't the most recent article, but it has a nice graph:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/11/29/europes-growing-
    muslim- population/

    6% according to this article:
       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

    I read an article recently that claimed UK is at 10% and France is at
    20% so wiki may be understating the numbers.>
    Lynn

    Today I read this:


    But you don't provide a citation? Why is that?

    France's Muslim population is estimated to be around 9 million, making
    ...

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 19 08:32:00 2025
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 17:29:40 +0000, quadibloc <quadibloc@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Looking at Google News, I've seen a spate of op-eds saying that Donald
    Trump is too emotional, childish, and erratic to be trusted with the
    nuclear launch codes.

    In /5 Fingers/ (the movie and very likely also the book) von Papen
    advises Moyzisch that it is time he realized that Germany is being run
    by a gang of juvenile delinquents.

    We should be so lucky. We (the USA) is being run by a bunch of
    5-year-olds. Petulant 5-year-olds.

    And, as far as I can tell, the only reason the Orange Taco does
    /anything/ is to produce headlines and dominate the news.

    We have more than 3.5 years of the Orange Taco to live through. Buckle
    your seatbelts! And get your feet up off the floor! It's getting deep!
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Thu Jun 19 12:03:21 2025
    On Jun 18, 2025, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <102vm13$3fd4k$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 6/18/2025 6:22 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 18/06/2025 23:32, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    The muslims are busy taking over Europe, up to somewhere between 10%
    and 20% of the population now.

    [Citation Needed]

    As far as I can tell, it's a bit over 5%, but may reach 10% by about
    2050 if immigration stays at roughly the current level, which is mostly driven by war.

    This isn't the most recent article, but it has a nice graph:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim- population/

    6% according to this article:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

    I read an article recently that claimed UK is at 10% and France is at
    20% so wiki may be understating the numbers.

    Lynn

    Interesting. Where was this article published? When? Who wrote it? Did it
    cite sources? I don’t have figures for France, but a lot of relatives live
    in the UK and depending on how you count the Muslim population is between 6
    and 8%... and a lot of those Muslims are either immigrants from the Caribbean (Trinidad, Guyana, mostly) or descendants of immigrants from the Caribbean.
    And Muslims in the UK are sufficiently a threat to The British Way Of Life
    that they often get onto the England cricket team. https://www.deenpost.com/cricket/list-of-english-muslim-cricketers/ (note
    that one was, gasp, shock, horror! the captain...) and play on Premier League footie teams. https://footiehound.com/muslim-players-in-the-premier-league/

    Scary stuff. Must be stopped.
    Remember always... the country with the most Muslims in the world is...
    India. And one of the first to be awarded theParam Vir Chakra, India’s replacement for the Victoria Cross, was Vikram Batra, killed in action
    charging superior numbers of Pakistanis while shouting the battle cry of his regiment,“Durga Mata Ki Jai” (Victory to Goddess Durga), a Hindi war
    shout. And Abdul Hamid, killed engaging Pakistani M60 tanks. He had a jeep
    with a 105mm recoiless rifle; they had six tanks. He killed five before the sixth got him. There have been 16 awards of the PVC, mostly to Sikhs and Gurkhas (as would be expected...) but the two awards to Muslims stand out. I don’t think that India fears Muslims just for being Muslim. Why do you?

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Thu Jun 19 15:23:49 2025
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    On 6/18/2025 6:22 PM, Graham wrote:


    6% according to this article:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

    I read an article recently that claimed UK is at 10% and France is at
    20% so wiki may be understating the numbers.

    Yet you can't cite the article. I suspect it was in one of the
    idiot truth-free right-wing propaganda sites (dumbshit.pundit, et al).

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Thu Jun 19 09:55:22 2025
    On 6/19/2025 6:35 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <102vmj1$3ffll$1@dont-email.me>,
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 6/18/2025 5:35 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 6/18/2025 6:22 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 18/06/2025 23:32, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    The muslims are busy taking over Europe, up to somewhere between 10% >>>>> and 20% of the population now.

    [Citation Needed]

    As far as I can tell, it's a bit over 5%, but may reach 10% by about
    2050 if immigration stays at roughly the current level, which is mostly >>>> driven by war.

    This isn't the most recent article, but it has a nice graph:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/11/29/europes-growing-
    muslim- population/

    6% according to this article:
       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

    I read an article recently that claimed UK is at 10% and France is at
    20% so wiki may be understating the numbers.

    Or people who want to stir up trouble are overstating them.

    It's important to remember that Lynn will believe anything that's
    politically convenient if it was true, regardless of the actual
    facts.

    I am well aware of that.

    --
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    dirty old man.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to akwolffan@zoho.com on Thu Jun 19 13:30:00 2025
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    And Muslims in the UK are sufficiently a threat to The British Way Of Life >that they often get onto the England cricket team.

    They can try adding them to the team but India is still going to beat
    them at Headingly. If they don't get rained out by the terrible English weather.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Fri Jun 20 20:20:13 2025
    On Jun 19, 2025, Scott Dorsey wrote
    (in article <1031heo$msp$1@panix2.panix.com>):

    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    And Muslims in the UK are sufficiently a threat to The British Way Of Life that they often get onto the England cricket team.

    They can try adding them to the team but India is still going to beat
    them at Headingly. If they don't get rained out by the terrible English weather.
    --scott

    Heh. It’s becoming traditional that India (and Australia. And New Zealand. And West Indies.) beat England in England. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTwaHFCWchs Cricket, lovely cricket, at Lord’s where I saw it...

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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Sat Jun 21 00:15:23 2025
    On Jun 20, 2025, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <10358f3$12o86$2@solani.org>):

    On 6/19/2025 8:35 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article<102vmj1$3ffll$1@dont-email.me>,
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 6/18/2025 5:35 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 6/18/2025 6:22 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 18/06/2025 23:32, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    The muslims are busy taking over Europe, up to somewhere between 10%
    and 20% of the population now.

    [Citation Needed]

    As far as I can tell, it's a bit over 5%, but may reach 10% by about 2050 if immigration stays at roughly the current level, which is mostly
    driven by war.

    This isn't the most recent article, but it has a nice graph:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/11/29/europes-growing- muslim- population/

    6% according to this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

    I read an article recently that claimed UK is at 10% and France is at 20% so wiki may be understating the numbers.
    Or people who want to stir up trouble are overstating them.

    It's important to remember that Lynn will believe anything that's politically convenient if it was true, regardless of the actual
    facts.

    For the long term, I believe this documentary: "Caliphate" by Tom Kratman https://www.amazon.com/Caliphate-Tom-Kratman/dp/1439133425

    Lynn

    Kratman is insane. Literally. He thought up a Jewish Waffen SS Division in
    one of the collaborations with Ringo. It was the first, and last, of his work that I read. And the last Ringo.

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Sat Jun 21 08:41:27 2025
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 22:25:01 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 6/19/2025 11:03 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On Jun 18, 2025, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <102vm13$3fd4k$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 6/18/2025 6:22 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 18/06/2025 23:32, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    The muslims are busy taking over Europe, up to somewhere between 10% >>>>> and 20% of the population now.

    [Citation Needed]

    As far as I can tell, it's a bit over 5%, but may reach 10% by about
    2050 if immigration stays at roughly the current level, which is mostly >>>> driven by war.

    This isn't the most recent article, but it has a nice graph:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim- >>>> population/

    6% according to this article:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

    I read an article recently that claimed UK is at 10% and France is at
    20% so wiki may be understating the numbers.

    Lynn

    Interesting. Where was this article published? When? Who wrote it? Did it
    cite sources? I dont have figures for France, but a lot of relatives live >> in the UK and depending on how you count the Muslim population is between 6 >> and 8%... and a lot of those Muslims are either immigrants from the Caribbean
    (Trinidad, Guyana, mostly) or descendants of immigrants from the Caribbean. >> And Muslims in the UK are sufficiently a threat to The British Way Of Life >> that they often get onto the England cricket team.
    https://www.deenpost.com/cricket/list-of-english-muslim-cricketers/ (note
    that one was, gasp, shock, horror! the captain...) and play on Premier League
    footie teams. https://footiehound.com/muslim-players-in-the-premier-league/ >>
    Scary stuff. Must be stopped.
    Remember always... the country with the most Muslims in the world is...
    India. And one of the first to be awarded theParam Vir Chakra, Indias
    replacement for the Victoria Cross, was Vikram Batra, killed in action
    charging superior numbers of Pakistanis while shouting the battle cry of his >> regiment,Durga Mata Ki Jai (Victory to Goddess Durga), a Hindi war
    shout. And Abdul Hamid, killed engaging Pakistani M60 tanks. He had a jeep >> with a 105mm recoiless rifle; they had six tanks. He killed five before the >> sixth got him. There have been 16 awards of the PVC, mostly to Sikhs and
    Gurkhas (as would be expected...) but the two awards to Muslims stand out. I >> dont think that India fears Muslims just for being Muslim. Why do you?

    Sorry, I just read the article and moved on. I did not note the source.

    And "Pakistan nominates Trump for 2026 Nobel Peace Prize"

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/pakistan-nominates-trump-2026-nobel-peace-prize

    "The government of Pakistan on Friday recommended President Donald Trump
    for a 2026 Nobel Peace Prize for his role in de-escalating a brief
    conflict between India and Pakistan earlier this year."

    Hat tip to:
    https://thelibertydaily.com/

    Ah ... our Friend and Ally.

    Maybe they are trying to make up for hiding bin Laden from us for all
    those years.

    And giving the Taliban refuge from us when we booted them out of
    Afghanistan 20+ years ago. Only to have the Orange Taco negotiate a
    deal (which he left for Biden to implement, knowing it would blow up
    in his face) that got them back in.

    Ah, the Taliban -- so brave when abusing women, so prone to running
    away when fighting men.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to akwolffan@zoho.com on Sat Jun 21 12:09:13 2025
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    Kratman is insane. Literally. He thought up a Jewish Waffen SS Division in >one of the collaborations with Ringo. It was the first, and last, of his work >that I read. And the last Ringo.

    Indeed. He does know military operations very well from the ground but with
    no real understanding of the picture behind them. This is a problem.

    Also, the "I Was A Jew In the SS" theme had already been covered
    pretty effectively by Mel Brooks. It is not to be taken seriously.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Sat Jun 21 09:56:59 2025
    On 6/21/2025 8:41 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 22:25:01 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 6/19/2025 11:03 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On Jun 18, 2025, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <102vm13$3fd4k$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 6/18/2025 6:22 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 18/06/2025 23:32, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    The muslims are busy taking over Europe, up to somewhere between 10% >>>>>> and 20% of the population now.

    [Citation Needed]

    As far as I can tell, it's a bit over 5%, but may reach 10% by about >>>>> 2050 if immigration stays at roughly the current level, which is mostly >>>>> driven by war.

    This isn't the most recent article, but it has a nice graph:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim- >>>>> population/

    6% according to this article:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

    I read an article recently that claimed UK is at 10% and France is at
    20% so wiki may be understating the numbers.

    Lynn

    Interesting. Where was this article published? When? Who wrote it? Did it >>> cite sources? I don’t have figures for France, but a lot of relatives live
    in the UK and depending on how you count the Muslim population is between 6 >>> and 8%... and a lot of those Muslims are either immigrants from the Caribbean
    (Trinidad, Guyana, mostly) or descendants of immigrants from the Caribbean. >>> And Muslims in the UK are sufficiently a threat to The British Way Of Life >>> that they often get onto the England cricket team.
    https://www.deenpost.com/cricket/list-of-english-muslim-cricketers/ (note >>> that one was, gasp, shock, horror! the captain...) and play on Premier League
    footie teams. https://footiehound.com/muslim-players-in-the-premier-league/ >>>
    Scary stuff. Must be stopped.
    Remember always... the country with the most Muslims in the world is...
    India. And one of the first to be awarded theParam Vir Chakra, India’s >>> replacement for the Victoria Cross, was Vikram Batra, killed in action
    charging superior numbers of Pakistanis while shouting the battle cry of his
    regiment,“Durga Mata Ki Jai” (Victory to Goddess Durga), a Hindi war >>> shout. And Abdul Hamid, killed engaging Pakistani M60 tanks. He had a jeep >>> with a 105mm recoiless rifle; they had six tanks. He killed five before the >>> sixth got him. There have been 16 awards of the PVC, mostly to Sikhs and >>> Gurkhas (as would be expected...) but the two awards to Muslims stand out. I
    don’t think that India fears Muslims just for being Muslim. Why do you? >>
    Sorry, I just read the article and moved on. I did not note the source.

    And "Pakistan nominates Trump for 2026 Nobel Peace Prize"

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/pakistan-nominates-trump-2026-nobel-peace-prize

    "The government of Pakistan on Friday recommended President Donald Trump
    for a 2026 Nobel Peace Prize for his role in de-escalating a brief
    conflict between India and Pakistan earlier this year."

    Hat tip to:
    https://thelibertydaily.com/

    Ah ... our Friend and Ally.

    Maybe they are trying to make up for hiding bin Laden from us for all
    those years.

    And giving the Taliban refuge from us when we booted them out of
    Afghanistan 20+ years ago. Only to have the Orange Taco negotiate a
    deal (which he left for Biden to implement, knowing it would blow up
    in his face) that got them back in.

    Ah, the Taliban -- so brave when abusing women, so prone to running
    away when fighting men.

    Or it could be their attempt to kiss up to the Orange One after he
    complained to reporters that he should get "five or six Nobel Peace
    Prizes" for ending the latest round of India-Pakistan combat.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Sat Jun 21 15:50:07 2025
    On Jun 21, 2025, Dimensional Traveler wrote
    (in article <1036o8q$15v9e$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 6/21/2025 8:41 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 22:25:01 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 6/19/2025 11:03 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On Jun 18, 2025, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <102vm13$3fd4k$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 6/18/2025 6:22 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 18/06/2025 23:32, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    The muslims are busy taking over Europe, up to somewhere between 10%
    and 20% of the population now.

    [Citation Needed]

    As far as I can tell, it's a bit over 5%, but may reach 10% by about
    2050 if immigration stays at roughly the current level, which is mostly
    driven by war.

    This isn't the most recent article, but it has a nice graph:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-
    population/

    6% according to this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

    I read an article recently that claimed UK is at 10% and France is at 20% so wiki may be understating the numbers.

    Lynn

    Interesting. Where was this article published? When? Who wrote it? Did it
    cite sources? I don’t have figures for France, but a lot of relatives live
    in the UK and depending on how you count the Muslim population is between
    6
    and 8%... and a lot of those Muslims are either immigrants from the Caribbean
    (Trinidad, Guyana, mostly) or descendants of immigrants from the Caribbean.
    And Muslims in the UK are sufficiently a threat to The British Way Of Life
    that they often get onto the England cricket team. https://www.deenpost.com/cricket/list-of-english-muslim-cricketers/ (note
    that one was, gasp, shock, horror! the captain...) and play on Premier League
    footie teams. https://footiehound.com/muslim-players-in-the-premier-league/

    Scary stuff. Must be stopped.
    Remember always... the country with the most Muslims in the world is... India. And one of the first to be awarded theParam Vir Chakra, India’s
    replacement for the Victoria Cross, was Vikram Batra, killed in action charging superior numbers of Pakistanis while shouting the battle cry of
    his
    regiment,“Durga Mata Ki Jai” (Victory to Goddess Durga), a Hindi war
    shout. And Abdul Hamid, killed engaging Pakistani M60 tanks. He had a jeep
    with a 105mm recoiless rifle; they had six tanks. He killed five before the
    sixth got him. There have been 16 awards of the PVC, mostly to Sikhs and
    Gurkhas (as would be expected...) but the two awards to Muslims stand out. I
    don’t think that India fears Muslims just for being Muslim. Why do you?

    Sorry, I just read the article and moved on. I did not note the source.

    And "Pakistan nominates Trump for 2026 Nobel Peace Prize"

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/pakistan-nominates
    -trump-2026-nobel-peace-prize

    "The government of Pakistan on Friday recommended President Donald Trump for a 2026 Nobel Peace Prize for his role in de-escalating a brief conflict between India and Pakistan earlier this year."

    Hat tip to:
    https://thelibertydaily.com/

    Ah ... our Friend and Ally.

    Maybe they are trying to make up for hiding bin Laden from us for all
    those years.

    And giving the Taliban refuge from us when we booted them out of Afghanistan 20+ years ago. Only to have the Orange Taco negotiate a
    deal (which he left for Biden to implement, knowing it would blow up
    in his face) that got them back in.

    Ah, the Taliban -- so brave when abusing women, so prone to running
    away when fighting men.

    Or it could be their attempt to kiss up to the Orange One after he
    complained to reporters that he should get "five or six Nobel Peace
    Prizes" for ending the latest round of India-Pakistan combat.

    Pakistan recently trhreatened to nuke Israel if Israel nuke Iran. Problem: nothing Pakistan has can reach Israel. Pakistani missles can reach to about half to two thirds of India, and they have no sub-launched nukes, and no bombers capable of getting to Israel (much less bombers capable of getting there and not getting shot down...). If India sees missiles rising from Pakistan (ballistic or cruise) India will launch on warning. Pakistan can
    hurt India. India can obliterate Pakistan. And China will sit on its hands if Pakistan does something stupid, such as launch.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sat Jun 21 21:29:41 2025
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    Kratman is insane. Literally. He thought up a Jewish Waffen SS Division in >>one of the collaborations with Ringo. It was the first, and last, of his work >>that I read. And the last Ringo.

    Indeed. He does know military operations very well from the ground but with >no real understanding of the picture behind them. This is a problem.

    Wasn't it Kratman (lite colonel, ret.) who complained about not
    getting his regiment, which was given instead to a female commander?

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  • From Thomas Koenig@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sun Jun 22 08:44:01 2025
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> schrieb:
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    Kratman is insane. Literally. He thought up a Jewish Waffen SS Division in >>one of the collaborations with Ringo. It was the first, and last, of his work >>that I read. And the last Ringo.

    Indeed. He does know military operations very well from the ground but with no real understanding of the picture behind them. This is a problem.

    Also, the "I Was A Jew In the SS" theme had already been covered
    pretty effectively by Mel Brooks. It is not to be taken seriously.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Jewish_military_personnel_of_World_War_II

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to tkoenig@netcologne.de on Sun Jun 22 09:32:10 2025
    Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> schrieb:
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    Kratman is insane. Literally. He thought up a Jewish Waffen SS Division in >>>one of the collaborations with Ringo. It was the first, and last, of his work
    that I read. And the last Ringo.

    Indeed. He does know military operations very well from the ground but with >> no real understanding of the picture behind them. This is a problem.

    Also, the "I Was A Jew In the SS" theme had already been covered
    pretty effectively by Mel Brooks. It is not to be taken seriously.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Jewish_military_personnel_of_World_War_II

    Most definitely.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Sun Jun 22 08:55:51 2025
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 14:46:29 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snippo>

    Dadgumit, my master's thesis reply was lost last night. E-S is having >problems again.

    In alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent I found a completely
    irrelevant (to the thread it was in) message with the header

    Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.usa,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Since I use E-S, perhaps this is part of a problem and your reply went
    ... somewhere else. Where it is, no doubt, confusing people who have
    no idea what it is about.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to tkoenig@netcologne.de on Sun Jun 22 08:50:40 2025
    On Sun, 22 Jun 2025 08:44:01 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig
    <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:

    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> schrieb:
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    Kratman is insane. Literally. He thought up a Jewish Waffen SS Division in >>>one of the collaborations with Ringo. It was the first, and last, of his work
    that I read. And the last Ringo.

    Indeed. He does know military operations very well from the ground but with >> no real understanding of the picture behind them. This is a problem.

    Also, the "I Was A Jew In the SS" theme had already been covered
    pretty effectively by Mel Brooks. It is not to be taken seriously.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Jewish_military_personnel_of_World_War_II

    Mischlinge. IIRC, people of mixed Jewish/German ancestry were allowed
    to remain in place until they could be replaced with pure Germans.
    Unlike Trump, Adolf & friends recognized economically essential people
    when they saw them.

    Later in the war, again IIRC, some German commanders were careful to
    keep their successful and therefore valuable Mischlinge subordinates
    out in the field whenever the Gestapo came to call. Ability to lead
    counts in wartime.

    Note that all the service branches appear to be part of the German
    Armed Forces, not the Waffen-SS. /Their/ standards were much much more stringent.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Sun Jun 22 08:59:25 2025
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 09:56:59 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 6/21/2025 8:41 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 22:25:01 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 6/19/2025 11:03 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On Jun 18, 2025, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <102vm13$3fd4k$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 6/18/2025 6:22 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 18/06/2025 23:32, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    The muslims are busy taking over Europe, up to somewhere between 10% >>>>>>> and 20% of the population now.

    [Citation Needed]

    As far as I can tell, it's a bit over 5%, but may reach 10% by about >>>>>> 2050 if immigration stays at roughly the current level, which is mostly >>>>>> driven by war.

    This isn't the most recent article, but it has a nice graph:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim- >>>>>> population/

    6% according to this article:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

    I read an article recently that claimed UK is at 10% and France is at >>>>> 20% so wiki may be understating the numbers.

    Lynn

    Interesting. Where was this article published? When? Who wrote it? Did it >>>> cite sources? I dont have figures for France, but a lot of relatives live >>>> in the UK and depending on how you count the Muslim population is between 6
    and 8%... and a lot of those Muslims are either immigrants from the Caribbean
    (Trinidad, Guyana, mostly) or descendants of immigrants from the Caribbean.
    And Muslims in the UK are sufficiently a threat to The British Way Of Life >>>> that they often get onto the England cricket team.
    https://www.deenpost.com/cricket/list-of-english-muslim-cricketers/ (note >>>> that one was, gasp, shock, horror! the captain...) and play on Premier League
    footie teams. https://footiehound.com/muslim-players-in-the-premier-league/

    Scary stuff. Must be stopped.
    Remember always... the country with the most Muslims in the world is... >>>> India. And one of the first to be awarded theParam Vir Chakra, Indias >>>> replacement for the Victoria Cross, was Vikram Batra, killed in action >>>> charging superior numbers of Pakistanis while shouting the battle cry of his
    regiment,Durga Mata Ki Jai (Victory to Goddess Durga), a Hindi war
    shout. And Abdul Hamid, killed engaging Pakistani M60 tanks. He had a jeep >>>> with a 105mm recoiless rifle; they had six tanks. He killed five before the
    sixth got him. There have been 16 awards of the PVC, mostly to Sikhs and >>>> Gurkhas (as would be expected...) but the two awards to Muslims stand out. I
    dont think that India fears Muslims just for being Muslim. Why do you? >>>
    Sorry, I just read the article and moved on. I did not note the source. >>>
    And "Pakistan nominates Trump for 2026 Nobel Peace Prize"

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/pakistan-nominates-trump-2026-nobel-peace-prize

    "The government of Pakistan on Friday recommended President Donald Trump >>> for a 2026 Nobel Peace Prize for his role in de-escalating a brief
    conflict between India and Pakistan earlier this year."

    Hat tip to:
    https://thelibertydaily.com/

    Ah ... our Friend and Ally.

    Maybe they are trying to make up for hiding bin Laden from us for all
    those years.

    And giving the Taliban refuge from us when we booted them out of
    Afghanistan 20+ years ago. Only to have the Orange Taco negotiate a
    deal (which he left for Biden to implement, knowing it would blow up
    in his face) that got them back in.

    Ah, the Taliban -- so brave when abusing women, so prone to running
    away when fighting men.

    Or it could be their attempt to kiss up to the Orange One after he >complained to reporters that he should get "five or six Nobel Peace
    Prizes" for ending the latest round of India-Pakistan combat.

    Well, after bombing Iran I think the Orange One can kiss that Nobel
    Peace Prize goodbye.

    Bombing other nations just to keep your name in the headlines is /not/
    the sort of thing the Nobel Committee wants to see.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Sun Jun 22 09:19:07 2025
    On 6/22/2025 8:59 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 09:56:59 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 6/21/2025 8:41 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 22:25:01 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 6/19/2025 11:03 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On Jun 18, 2025, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <102vm13$3fd4k$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 6/18/2025 6:22 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 18/06/2025 23:32, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    The muslims are busy taking over Europe, up to somewhere between 10% >>>>>>>> and 20% of the population now.

    [Citation Needed]

    As far as I can tell, it's a bit over 5%, but may reach 10% by about >>>>>>> 2050 if immigration stays at roughly the current level, which is mostly >>>>>>> driven by war.

    This isn't the most recent article, but it has a nice graph:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim- >>>>>>> population/

    6% according to this article:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

    I read an article recently that claimed UK is at 10% and France is at >>>>>> 20% so wiki may be understating the numbers.

    Lynn

    Interesting. Where was this article published? When? Who wrote it? Did it >>>>> cite sources? I don’t have figures for France, but a lot of relatives live
    in the UK and depending on how you count the Muslim population is between 6
    and 8%... and a lot of those Muslims are either immigrants from the Caribbean
    (Trinidad, Guyana, mostly) or descendants of immigrants from the Caribbean.
    And Muslims in the UK are sufficiently a threat to The British Way Of Life
    that they often get onto the England cricket team.
    https://www.deenpost.com/cricket/list-of-english-muslim-cricketers/ (note >>>>> that one was, gasp, shock, horror! the captain...) and play on Premier League
    footie teams. https://footiehound.com/muslim-players-in-the-premier-league/

    Scary stuff. Must be stopped.
    Remember always... the country with the most Muslims in the world is... >>>>> India. And one of the first to be awarded theParam Vir Chakra, India’s >>>>> replacement for the Victoria Cross, was Vikram Batra, killed in action >>>>> charging superior numbers of Pakistanis while shouting the battle cry of his
    regiment,“Durga Mata Ki Jai” (Victory to Goddess Durga), a Hindi war >>>>> shout. And Abdul Hamid, killed engaging Pakistani M60 tanks. He had a jeep
    with a 105mm recoiless rifle; they had six tanks. He killed five before the
    sixth got him. There have been 16 awards of the PVC, mostly to Sikhs and >>>>> Gurkhas (as would be expected...) but the two awards to Muslims stand out. I
    don’t think that India fears Muslims just for being Muslim. Why do you? >>>>
    Sorry, I just read the article and moved on. I did not note the source. >>>>
    And "Pakistan nominates Trump for 2026 Nobel Peace Prize"

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/pakistan-nominates-trump-2026-nobel-peace-prize

    "The government of Pakistan on Friday recommended President Donald Trump >>>> for a 2026 Nobel Peace Prize for his role in de-escalating a brief
    conflict between India and Pakistan earlier this year."

    Hat tip to:
    https://thelibertydaily.com/

    Ah ... our Friend and Ally.

    Maybe they are trying to make up for hiding bin Laden from us for all
    those years.

    And giving the Taliban refuge from us when we booted them out of
    Afghanistan 20+ years ago. Only to have the Orange Taco negotiate a
    deal (which he left for Biden to implement, knowing it would blow up
    in his face) that got them back in.

    Ah, the Taliban -- so brave when abusing women, so prone to running
    away when fighting men.

    Or it could be their attempt to kiss up to the Orange One after he
    complained to reporters that he should get "five or six Nobel Peace
    Prizes" for ending the latest round of India-Pakistan combat.

    Well, after bombing Iran I think the Orange One can kiss that Nobel
    Peace Prize goodbye.

    Bombing other nations just to keep your name in the headlines is /not/
    the sort of thing the Nobel Committee wants to see.

    "But I'm ending a war by bombing the Iranians! That's got to be worth
    another couple Prizes!"

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Thomas Koenig@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Sun Jun 22 20:49:56 2025
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> schrieb:
    On Sun, 22 Jun 2025 08:44:01 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig
    <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:

    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> schrieb:
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    Kratman is insane. Literally. He thought up a Jewish Waffen SS Division in >>>>one of the collaborations with Ringo. It was the first, and last, of his work
    that I read. And the last Ringo.

    Indeed. He does know military operations very well from the ground but with
    no real understanding of the picture behind them. This is a problem.

    Also, the "I Was A Jew In the SS" theme had already been covered
    pretty effectively by Mel Brooks. It is not to be taken seriously.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Jewish_military_personnel_of_World_War_II

    Mischlinge. IIRC, people of mixed Jewish/German ancestry were allowed
    to remain in place until they could be replaced with pure Germans.
    Unlike Trump, Adolf & friends recognized economically essential people
    when they saw them.

    They did not, or they would not have gutted Germany's scientific
    community by removing the Jews from their positions in academia
    and industry in the early years of the Third Reich.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Graham on Sun Jun 22 15:09:37 2025
    On 6/22/2025 1:30 PM, Graham wrote:
    On 21/06/2025 04:21, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    For the long term, I believe this documentary: "Caliphate" by Tom Kratman
        https://www.amazon.com/Caliphate-Tom-Kratman/dp/1439133425


      Has it ever been reviewed by an actual Demographer?

    I believe one died attempted to do so and no others have been willing to
    risk it. :P

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Thomas Koenig on Sun Jun 22 15:08:52 2025
    On 6/22/2025 1:49 PM, Thomas Koenig wrote:
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> schrieb:
    On Sun, 22 Jun 2025 08:44:01 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig
    <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:

    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> schrieb:
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    Kratman is insane. Literally. He thought up a Jewish Waffen SS Division in
    one of the collaborations with Ringo. It was the first, and last, of his work
    that I read. And the last Ringo.

    Indeed. He does know military operations very well from the ground but with
    no real understanding of the picture behind them. This is a problem.

    Also, the "I Was A Jew In the SS" theme had already been covered
    pretty effectively by Mel Brooks. It is not to be taken seriously.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Jewish_military_personnel_of_World_War_II

    Mischlinge. IIRC, people of mixed Jewish/German ancestry were allowed
    to remain in place until they could be replaced with pure Germans.
    Unlike Trump, Adolf & friends recognized economically essential people
    when they saw them.

    They did not, or they would not have gutted Germany's scientific
    community by removing the Jews from their positions in academia
    and industry in the early years of the Third Reich.

    "Jewish Science". And he didn't really consider scientists as an
    economic necessity. A military one, yes, but not economic.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to tkoenig@netcologne.de on Mon Jun 23 08:35:32 2025
    On Sun, 22 Jun 2025 20:49:56 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig
    <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:

    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> schrieb:
    On Sun, 22 Jun 2025 08:44:01 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig >><tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:

    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> schrieb:
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    Kratman is insane. Literally. He thought up a Jewish Waffen SS Division in
    one of the collaborations with Ringo. It was the first, and last, of his work
    that I read. And the last Ringo.

    Indeed. He does know military operations very well from the ground but with
    no real understanding of the picture behind them. This is a problem.

    Also, the "I Was A Jew In the SS" theme had already been covered
    pretty effectively by Mel Brooks. It is not to be taken seriously.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Jewish_military_personnel_of_World_War_II

    Mischlinge. IIRC, people of mixed Jewish/German ancestry were allowed
    to remain in place until they could be replaced with pure Germans.
    Unlike Trump, Adolf & friends recognized economically essential people
    when they saw them.

    They did not, or they would not have gutted Germany's scientific
    community by removing the Jews from their positions in academia
    and industry in the early years of the Third Reich.

    They weren't Mischlinge.

    But you are correct: the article I (vaguely) remember was talking
    about bureaucrats and similar positions -- not at the top, but with
    necessary work to do.

    Tax collectors. Postal workers. Staff officers. The stuff modern
    states run on.

    Not pointy-headed scientists and intellectuals.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Thomas Koenig@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Mon Jun 23 17:49:26 2025
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> schrieb:
    On Sun, 22 Jun 2025 20:49:56 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig
    <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:

    They did not, or they would not have gutted Germany's scientific
    community by removing the Jews from their positions in academia
    and industry in the early years of the Third Reich.

    They weren't Mischlinge.

    But you are correct: the article I (vaguely) remember was talking
    about bureaucrats and similar positions -- not at the top, but with
    necessary work to do.

    Tax collectors. Postal workers. Staff officers. The stuff modern
    states run on.

    Not pointy-headed scientists and intellectuals.

    Carl Bosch (former head of BASF and member of the board of IG
    Farben, him of the Haber-Bosch process) had warned Hitler in a
    personal meeting that the removal of Jewish scientists would set
    back chemistry and physics in Germany by 100 years. Hitler then
    said that, in this case, Germany would do without chemistry and
    physics for 100 years, and threw him out. Bosch later dragged
    his feet on firing Jewish employees, as demanded by the Nazis,
    until 1937.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to quadibloc on Tue Jun 24 09:50:35 2025
    Not a TACO at all but
    a TOFU
    Trump Always F's Up.

    On 6/18/25 10:29, quadibloc wrote:
    Looking at Google News, I've seen a spate of op-eds saying that Donald
    Trump is too emotional, childish, and erratic to be trusted with the
    nuclear launch codes.

    While I don't disagree with the basic sentiment, as I think he is
    unsuitable to be trusted with the post of municipal dogcatcher, let
    alone POTUS, I was a bit surprised by this. After all, given his
    policies on the Ukraine conflict, it seemed obvious that he is terrified
    of a nuclear war, and would prefer to let Russia overrun all of Europe
    to taking the risk of standing up to it.

    But it's obvious what prompted this. Iran.

    It's hard for me, but here I'll actually defend something Trump is
    doing. Just like Bush with the second war on Iraq, really. Sure, Tulsi Gabbard may well be right that Iran poses no immediate threat of
    becoming nuclear armed, just as Iraq didn't really have WMDs.

    But Iraq did not 100% totally cooperate with weapons inspectors.

    So if even the tiniest possibility of Iraq having WMDs is absolutely intolerable, Bush was right.

    And this is what's happening with Iran. Iran insists on enriching
    uranium beyond levels needed for peaceful electrical power production.
    It refuses to totally cooperate with the IAEA.

    So if they aren't going to totally comply with what's needed to ensure
    they will never, ever, possibly get nukes, fixing it by force is what's needed.

    Basically, my feeling about Trump and nuclear war hasn't changed from
    what his policies on Ukraine led me to. The danger from him isn't a
    nuclear war. It's a Co-Dominion world, where Russia gets Europe, China
    gets Taiwan and a bunch else, say Korea and the Philippines for
    starters, and the U.S. gets Canada, Greenland, and all of Latin America.

    And all three of the nuclear superpowers that peacefully (in terms of
    peace between them; the takeover of the rest of the world will be by
    force) divide up the world will of course by tyrannical. The U.S. will
    go beyond the worst nightmares of liberals about Project 2025.

    That, and not its opposite, nuclear war, is the real danger Trump poses.

    John Savard

    Curiously I wa born in 1937 as the NAZIs consolidated their power and the
    JIA got serious in China. My (waking) nightmares include a lot more
    than people
    who did not live thru the propaganda of WW II. The collapse of the Union
    as the
    foolishness of the American Special Interests split apart the USA. The
    eruption
    of several volcanoes in California, the adjustment of the sesmic fault
    off the
    coast of the NorthWest States resulting in a tsunami on the West Coast and matters unforeseeable like the eruption of the crater that is Yellowstone or further violent earthquakes in the Mississippi drainage and of course the inevitable rise of the sea into that vally giving us the true Gulf of
    America
    not to be confused with the Gulf of America and the loss of the cities of
    the Eastern Seaboard. Whatever political arrangement ensues will not be
    the one that liberals or even progressive liberals hope for. As for Trump
    read the." Iron Heel" by Jack London which I bellieve was inspired by
    the last
    Gilded Age of concentration fo wealth and the attendant corruption.
    Also a Harry Turtledove Crosstime Traders story "Welcome to the Disunited States" where several states have Nuclear Bombs and hostilities between
    states are constant.

    bliss - How do you know how bad the nightmares of liberals are?

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to zotzlists@gmail.com on Thu Jun 26 17:02:47 2025
    Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 19/06/2025 18:30, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    And Muslims in the UK are sufficiently a threat to The British Way Of Life >>> that they often get onto the England cricket team.

    They can try adding them to the team but India is still going to beat
    them at Headingly.


    Nice day here. The sun's shining.

    And I was sadly wrong, India was beat by five wickets this weekend. Maybe there's something to those British muslims after all.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to rja.carnegie@gmail.com on Mon Jul 7 20:04:32 2025
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 11:00:15 +0100, Robert Carnegie
    <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:

    "When the first version of 3 June's scoop,
    'White British people will be a minority in
    40 years, report claims', went online at 9.04am,
    it cited research that by 2100 'the white British
    share of the population - defined as people who
    do not have an immigrant parent - could have
    fallen to around a third'.

    "After social-media users pointed out that by
    this definition neither Winston Churchill nor
    the king count as White British, the explanatory
    clause was silently excised."

    So by this definition would my daughter (Canadian born but living in
    the UK since 2014) be considered "White British" or not? Given that my
    maternal grandfather was born in the UK (whereas my father's family
    was primarily German in origin but was in the US some 50 years before
    the Revolution). I suppose she wouldn't since her mother was the first
    of my wife's line to be born in Canada....

    As for Churchill's mother she was definitely American but thoroughly
    WASP-ish.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Mon Jul 7 20:07:08 2025
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 09:56:59 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    Or it could be their attempt to kiss up to the Orange One after he
    complained to reporters that he should get "five or six Nobel Peace
    Prizes" for ending the latest round of India-Pakistan combat.

    I can understand how he might eventually qualify for his role in
    Israel v. Gaza but what are you suggesting he has done concerning
    India and Pakistan?

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Mon Jul 7 21:39:36 2025
    On 7/7/2025 8:07 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 09:56:59 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    Or it could be their attempt to kiss up to the Orange One after he
    complained to reporters that he should get "five or six Nobel Peace
    Prizes" for ending the latest round of India-Pakistan combat.

    I can understand how he might eventually qualify for his role in
    Israel v. Gaza but what are you suggesting he has done concerning
    India and Pakistan?

    I'm suggesting that he had nothing to do with starting or ending (if it
    has ended) the latest round of shooting between the two countries. _HE_
    thinks he ended it with a couple of phone calls, so deserves the prizes.

    (He also hasn't done shit for anything in the Middle East so....)

    --
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    dirty old man.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to lcraver@home.ca on Tue Jul 8 08:14:08 2025
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 09:56:59 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    Or it could be their attempt to kiss up to the Orange One after he >>complained to reporters that he should get "five or six Nobel Peace
    Prizes" for ending the latest round of India-Pakistan combat.

    I can understand how he might eventually qualify for his role in
    Israel v. Gaza but what are you suggesting he has done concerning
    India and Pakistan?

    Nothing. He didn't even throw out the first ball like he's supposed to
    do for the World Series.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 19 20:43:20 2025
    On Mon, 07 Jul 2025 20:07:08 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 09:56:59 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    Or it could be their attempt to kiss up to the Orange One after he >>complained to reporters that he should get "five or six Nobel Peace
    Prizes" for ending the latest round of India-Pakistan combat.

    I can understand how he might eventually qualify for his role in
    Israel v. Gaza but what are you suggesting he has done concerning
    India and Pakistan?

    I was making a bit of a joke there - and the last US president to do a
    military operation in either country was Obama in the operation that
    killed Osama bin Laden.

    That said GW Bush praised the troops that did the operation then said
    that his only regret was that it couldn't have been done when he was
    president.

    What's notable is that prior to that operation, Obama summoned the
    chief Muslim chaplain in the US military, swore him to secrecy as to
    why they were meeting and making darned sure he (Obama) understood how
    Islamic law stipulated the remains of a Muslim should be disposed of
    which makes sense to me since no way would Obama have wanted the
    Iranians or anybody else screaming blue murder about how Obama's
    remains were disposed of.

    Then made the cleric put it in writing and passed that to the planners
    of the mission telling them in no uncertain terms that this is how
    this was to be done assuming they achieved their mission and that he
    had taken advice from Muslim chaplains on this.

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  • From Don@21:1/5 to Robert Carnegie on Mon Sep 1 16:35:46 2025
    Robert Carnegie wrote:
    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    WolfFan wrote:
    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    Graham wrote:
    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    The muslims are busy taking over Europe, up to somewhere between 10% >>>>>> and 20% of the population now.

    [Citation Needed]

    As far as I can tell, it's a bit over 5%, but may reach 10% by about >>>>> 2050 if immigration stays at roughly the current level, which is mostly >>>>> driven by war.

    This isn't the most recent article, but it has a nice graph:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim- >>>>> population/

    6% according to this article:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

    I read an article recently that claimed UK is at 10% and France is at
    20% so wiki may be understating the numbers.

    Interesting. Where was this article published? When? Who wrote it? Did it >>> cite sources? I don’t have figures for France, but a lot of relatives live
    in the UK and depending on how you count the Muslim population is between 6 >>> and 8%... and a lot of those Muslims are either immigrants from the Caribbean
    (Trinidad, Guyana, mostly) or descendants of immigrants from the Caribbean. >>> And Muslims in the UK are sufficiently a threat to The British Way Of Life >>> that they often get onto the England cricket team.
    https://www.deenpost.com/cricket/list-of-english-muslim-cricketers/ (note >>> that one was, gasp, shock, horror! the captain...) and play on Premier League
    footie teams. https://footiehound.com/muslim-players-in-the-premier- league/

    Scary stuff. Must be stopped.
    Remember always... the country with the most Muslims in the world is...
    India. And one of the first to be awarded theParam Vir Chakra, India’s >>> replacement for the Victoria Cross, was Vikram Batra, killed in action
    charging superior numbers of Pakistanis while shouting the battle cry of his
    regiment,“Durga Mata Ki Jai” (Victory to Goddess Durga), a Hindi war >>> shout. And Abdul Hamid, killed engaging Pakistani M60 tanks. He had a jeep >>> with a 105mm recoiless rifle; they had six tanks. He killed five before the >>> sixth got him. There have been 16 awards of the PVC, mostly to Sikhs and >>> Gurkhas (as would be expected...) but the two awards to Muslims stand out. I
    don’t think that India fears Muslims just for being Muslim. Why do you? >>
    Sorry, I just read the article and moved on. I did not note the source.

    And "Pakistan nominates Trump for 2026 Nobel Peace Prize"

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/pakistan- nominates-trump-2026-nobel-peace-prize

    "The government of Pakistan on Friday recommended President Donald Trump for a 2026
    Nobel Peace Prize for his role in de-escalating a brief conflict between India and Pakistan earlier this year."

    Hat tip to:
    https://thelibertydaily.com/

    I think the Nobel people will not give their
    Peace Prize (and the money) to Donald Trump
    as long as, theoretically, /wanting/ one may
    influence his behaviour.

    I recognise counter-arguments that (1) he thinks
    he deserves more than one of them, and (2) he's
    capable of deciding to create an equivalent
    American Prize which he will award to himself.

    Anyway, perhaps Nobel's money would be spent better
    on a reasonably good Russian hit man. I don't know
    what the going rate is.

    "A word to the wise is sufficient." Here's a brief biographical sketch
    on the Russian mafia kingpin you want to make a deal with. Be sure to
    read the last two sentences.

    Semion Yudkovich Mogilevich is a Ukrainian-born Russian
    organized crime boss. He is described by agencies in
    the European Union and United States as the "boss of all
    bosses" of most Russian Mafia ...

    Mogilevich was born in 1946 to a Jewish family in Kyiv's
    Podil neighborhood. He graduated in economics from the
    University of Lviv.

    His first significant fortune derived from scamming
    fellow Soviet Jews (mainly Ukrainian and Russian) eager
    to emigrate, including to Israel, the country where
    Mogilevich himself briefly lived in 1990. According to
    some reports, Mogilevich earned a considerable amount
    of money as an intermediary selling jewelry and artwork
    belonging to Jews who emigrated from Kyiv in the 1980s.
    Mogilevich made deals to purchase their assets, sell
    them for fair market value, and forward the proceeds.
    Instead he simply sold the assets and pocketed the
    proceeds.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semion_Mogilevich>

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  • From Titus G@21:1/5 to Don on Tue Sep 2 17:08:00 2025
    On 2/09/25 04:35, Don wrote:
    snip
    "A word to the wise is sufficient." Here's a brief biographical sketch
    on the Russian mafia kingpin you want to make a deal with. Be sure to
    read the last two sentences.

    Semion Yudkovich Mogilevich is a Ukrainian-born Russian
    organized crime boss. He is described by agencies in
    the European Union and United States as the "boss of all
    bosses" of most Russian Mafia ...

    Mogilevich was born in 1946 to a Jewish family in Kyiv's
    Podil neighborhood. He graduated in economics from the
    University of Lviv.

    His first significant fortune derived from scamming
    fellow Soviet Jews (mainly Ukrainian and Russian) eager
    to emigrate, including to Israel, the country where
    Mogilevich himself briefly lived in 1990. According to
    some reports, Mogilevich earned a considerable amount
    of money as an intermediary selling jewelry and artwork
    belonging to Jews who emigrated from Kyiv in the 1980s.
    Mogilevich made deals to purchase their assets, sell
    them for fair market value, and forward the proceeds.
    Instead he simply sold the assets and pocketed the
    proceeds.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semion_Mogilevich

    Your last paragraph describes a principal character in the Canadian
    rural murder mystery, The Brutal Telling, by Louise Penny, except he was Hungarian who amassed his fortune in the political turmoil of the 1950s.
    Or thereabouts. I found the character implausible because of the amounts
    and treasures involved but as you demonstrate once again, Truth is often stranger than Fiction.

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