Godwin's law -- the one about the inevitability of Nazi mentions
as a function of length of an online debate -- needs a companion
about the inevitability of a too-complicated idea stimulating
a reference to Trump.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UAP/comments/1lvf00t/ serious_world_ufo_day_ross_coulthart_renews_calls/?sort=new

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On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 07:52:15 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer
<mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

Godwin's law -- the one about the inevitability of Nazi mentions
as a function of length of an online debate -- needs a companion
about the inevitability of a too-complicated idea stimulating
a reference to Trump.

There's a difference between the two?

Oh, wait, a reference to Trump would be more specific.

Other than that, none at all.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UAP/comments/1lvf00t/ >serious_world_ufo_day_ross_coulthart_renews_calls/?sort=new

--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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On 7/12/25 00:52, Charles Packer wrote:

Godwin's law -- the one about the inevitability of Nazi mentions
as a function of length of an online debate -- needs a companion
about the inevitability of a too-complicated idea stimulating
a reference to Trump.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UAP/comments/1lvf00t/ serious_world_ufo_day_ross_coulthart_renews_calls/?sort=new

Yes but Godwin himself is said that with Trump at hand
the NAZI references are completely natural. He said that in
the first Trump term. I agree. But Trump is not a Fascist
because that idea is one he cannot understand.

He just wants to be a Mob boss.

bliss

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On 7/12/2025 2:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 7/12/25 00:52, Charles Packer wrote:

Godwin's law -- the one about the inevitability of Nazi mentions
as a function of length of an online debate -- needs a companion
about the inevitability of a too-complicated idea stimulating
a reference to Trump.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UAP/comments/1lvf00t/
serious_world_ufo_day_ross_coulthart_renews_calls/?sort=new

    Yes but Godwin himself is said that with Trump at hand
the NAZI references are completely natural.  He said that in
the first Trump term.  I agree.  But Trump is not a Fascist
because that idea is one he cannot understand.

    He just wants to be a Mob boss.

I keep telling people that is his role model goal!!!

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

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On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 14:42:10 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

On 7/12/25 00:52, Charles Packer wrote:

Godwin's law -- the one about the inevitability of Nazi mentions
as a function of length of an online debate -- needs a companion
about the inevitability of a too-complicated idea stimulating
a reference to Trump.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UAP/comments/1lvf00t/
serious_world_ufo_day_ross_coulthart_renews_calls/?sort=new

Yes but Godwin himself is said that with Trump at hand
the NAZI references are completely natural. He said that in
the first Trump term. I agree. But Trump is not a Fascist
because that idea is one he cannot understand.

He just wants to be a Mob boss.

He's too sloppy to succeed at that.

One of the guys whose prison sentence was commuted (but who was not
pardoned) has been saying nasty things about him as result. I don't
know if he can prove clear Trump involvement in the insurrectionary
activity he was convicted of or not, but he clearly thinks he took the
fall for him.

Back in 2016, in another context, I noted that cosying up with
alt-right militia grouips was a poor choice, as, if they felt
betrayed, they were both mean enough and armed enough and determined
enough to take serious and effective action.

I still think he and his buddies are best regarded as petulant
5-year-olds.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 11:49:13 -0700, Paul S Person wrote:

I still think he and his buddies are best regarded as petulant
5-year-olds.

And not the Antichrist? We have reached the End Times, you know.

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-indianapolis-star-christ-will-come- a/176768454/

( https://tinyurl.com/45hmrnxr )

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 07:55:50 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer
<mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 11:49:13 -0700, Paul S Person wrote:

I still think he and his buddies are best regarded as petulant
5-year-olds.

And not the Antichrist? We have reached the End Times, you know.

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-indianapolis-star-christ-will-come-a/176768454/

This link worked properly.

( https://tinyurl.com/45hmrnxr )

This link does not bring up the article, causing confusion.

The insistence that everything is getting better and better is typical
of Modernism, which, in some quarters, survived WWI and died after
WWII.

Has anyone else wondered what the "wearable medical monitoring
devices" are intended to look like? A mark, perhaps, on the hand or
forehead?

One of the books on Revelation I read within living memory identifies
the Beast with all of modern learning and technology, but identifies
the second beast as the propaganda department and the Whore as
advertising. Since Trump's efforts appear to be aimed at, as Disney
has Stromboli saying, "pushing you in the public's eye", that would
make the Orange Taco -- the Whore of Babylon.

But I don't think this line of thought is particularly helpful.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 07:55:50 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer ><mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-indianapolis-star-christ-will-com= >e-a/176768454/

This link worked properly.

So long as the spurious "=\n" is first removed.

Has anyone else wondered what the "wearable medical monitoring
devices" are intended to look like?

An apple watch.

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 15:54:57 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 07:55:50 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer >><mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-indianapolis-star-christ-will-

com=

e-a/176768454/

This link worked properly.

So long as the spurious "=\n" is first removed.

Pan, my newsreader, puts that in when it truncates line length.
I haven't found any way to alter that behavior.
As for tinyurl, I suspect that newspapers.com has an abivalent
relationship with it, as the shortened link worked when I tested it.

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Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> writes:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 15:54:57 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 07:55:50 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer >>><mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-indianapolis-star-christ-will-

com=

e-a/176768454/

This link worked properly.

So long as the spurious "=\n" is first removed.

Pan, my newsreader, puts that in when it truncates line length.
I haven't found any way to alter that behavior.

Other than using different newsreader software? xrn, for example,
is truely WYSIWYG. For Pan, perhaps they offer a non-flowed mode;
I see that pan doesn't include the correct header telling the reader
that the content is flowed (your pan posts show Content-type: text/plain
rather than 'flowed').

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 07:33:10 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer
<mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 15:54:57 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 07:55:50 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer >>><mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-indianapolis-star-christ-will-

com=

Note additional line break inserted here!

e-a/176768454/

This link worked properly.

So long as the spurious "=\n" is first removed.

Pan, my newsreader, puts that in when it truncates line length.
I haven't found any way to alter that behavior.
As for tinyurl, I suspect that newspapers.com has an abivalent
relationship with it, as the shortened link worked when I tested it.

Have you tried using "<>" as delimiters?

<https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-indianapolis-star-christ-will-come-a/176768454/>

I don't think Agent, at least, will break it.

As to the shortened link, what it brought up here was <https://www.newspapers.com/>, which is hardly the same thing.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 15:54:57 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 07:55:50 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer >><mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-indianapolis-star-christ-will-com= >>e-a/176768454/

This link worked properly.

So long as the spurious "=\n" is first removed.

Yes.

I hit "R" and edit the link back into useable form.

I started using "<>" around links as that keeps them from being
broken.

Has anyone else wondered what the "wearable medical monitoring
devices" are intended to look like?

An apple watch.

Sorry, don't do Apple.

But the idea that Apple is the Sign of the Beast is ... interesting.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 12:40:19 -0400, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

On 7/16/2025 11:50 AM, Paul S Person wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 07:55:50 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer
<mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 11:49:13 -0700, Paul S Person wrote:

I still think he and his buddies are best regarded as petulant
5-year-olds.

And not the Antichrist? We have reached the End Times, you know.

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-indianapolis-star-christ-will-come-a/176768454/

This link worked properly.

( https://tinyurl.com/45hmrnxr )

This link does not bring up the article, causing confusion.

The insistence that everything is getting better and better is typical
of Modernism, which, in some quarters, survived WWI and died after
WWII.

Has anyone else wondered what the "wearable medical monitoring
devices" are intended to look like? A mark, perhaps, on the hand or
forehead?

One of the books on Revelation I read within living memory identifies
the Beast with all of modern learning and technology, but identifies
the second beast as the propaganda department and the Whore as
advertising. Since Trump's efforts appear to be aimed at, as Disney
has Stromboli saying, "pushing you in the public's eye", that would
make the Orange Taco -- the Whore of Babylon.

But I don't think this line of thought is particularly helpful.

The sub-reddit /r/trump666 runs with this idea.

That 1925 article is the earliest reference to
the Age of Aquarius I've ever encountered.

Also, we're about 25 years beyond the projected time.

Personally, if /I/ were to interpret the 1000 years as many did in
1999, /I/ would place it in the 2030s, probably 2036 or 2039,
depending on when the cruciifixion occurred.

I do not, in fact, interpret things that way (or any other way,
really, although I do cite others' opinions from time to time).
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 15:54:57 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 07:55:50 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer >>><mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-indianapolis-star-christ-will-c= >om=3D

e-a/176768454/

This link worked properly.

So long as the spurious "=3D\n" is first removed.

Yes.

I hit "R" and edit the link back into useable form.

I started using "<>" around links as that keeps them from being
broken.

Has anyone else wondered what the "wearable medical monitoring
devices" are intended to look like?

An apple watch.

Sorry, don't do Apple.

Samsung, then. The samsung looks just like any classic mechanical
wristwatch (What watch? Ten watch. - Casablanca).

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Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 07:33:10 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer ><mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 15:54:57 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 07:55:50 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer >>>><mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-indianapolis-star-christ-will- >>com=3D

Note additional line break inserted here!

e-a/176768454/

This link worked properly.

=20
So long as the spurious "=3D\n" is first removed.
=20

Pan, my newsreader, puts that in when it truncates line length.
I haven't found any way to alter that behavior.
As for tinyurl, I suspect that newspapers.com has an abivalent=20 >>relationship with it, as the shortened link worked when I tested it.

Have you tried using "<>" as delimiters?

<https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-indianapolis-star-christ-will-com= >e-a/176768454/>

Doesn't seem to help with your posting software, which "flowed" the URL.

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This discussion of the capability of the news/reading/posting tools
should really go in the test newsgroups. It is off topic here I believe.

bliss- who just read Eternal-September.test where another set of posts concerned the same topic, likely yuur news provider has a similar newsgroup.

On 7/17/25 09:32, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 07:33:10 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer
<mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 15:54:57 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 07:55:50 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer
<mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-indianapolis-star-christ-will- >>> com=3D

Note additional line break inserted here!

e-a/176768454/

This link worked properly.

=20
So long as the spurious "=3D\n" is first removed.
=20

Pan, my newsreader, puts that in when it truncates line length.
I haven't found any way to alter that behavior.
As for tinyurl, I suspect that newspapers.com has an abivalent=20
relationship with it, as the shortened link worked when I tested it.

Have you tried using "<>" as delimiters?

<https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-indianapolis-star-christ-will-com= >> e-a/176768454/>

Doesn't seem to help with your posting software, which "flowed" the URL.

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On 7/17/25 08:59, Paul S Person wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 12:40:19 -0400, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

On 7/16/2025 11:50 AM, Paul S Person wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 07:55:50 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer
<mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 11:49:13 -0700, Paul S Person wrote:

I still think he and his buddies are best regarded as petulant
5-year-olds.

And not the Antichrist? We have reached the End Times, you know.

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-indianapolis-star-christ-will-come-a/176768454/

This link worked properly.

( https://tinyurl.com/45hmrnxr )

This link does not bring up the article, causing confusion.

The insistence that everything is getting better and better is typical
of Modernism, which, in some quarters, survived WWI and died after
WWII.

Has anyone else wondered what the "wearable medical monitoring
devices" are intended to look like? A mark, perhaps, on the hand or
forehead?

One of the books on Revelation I read within living memory identifies
the Beast with all of modern learning and technology, but identifies
the second beast as the propaganda department and the Whore as
advertising. Since Trump's efforts appear to be aimed at, as Disney
has Stromboli saying, "pushing you in the public's eye", that would
make the Orange Taco -- the Whore of Babylon.

I perfer the thesis that the Book of Revelation was composed considering
the state of the Roman Empire and particularly Rome itself with its various stupidities like Gladitoral contests, worship of many gods and goddess
imported
from all over the Empire and really confused Emperors and their foolish
wives.
Revelatiions is not a prophetic book just one that wants the Empire
to fall ASAP.

But I don't think this line of thought is particularly helpful.

Not a bit.>>

The sub-reddit /r/trump666 runs with this idea.

That 1925 article is the earliest reference to
the Age of Aquarius I've ever encountered.

Also, we're about 25 years beyond the projected time.

Personally, if /I/ were to interpret the 1000 years as many did in
1999, /I/ would place it in the 2030s, probably 2036 or 2039,
depending on when the cruciifixion occurred.

I do not, in fact, interpret things that way (or any other way,
really, although I do cite others' opinions from time to time).

I remember the arguements in print about when the Age of Aquarius
would start back in the 1960s and 1970s. I think Astrology is only for fun because otherwise i would be a world leader according to natal horoscope
and I am not in any sense a world leader. However if the elecorate wants
a less decrepit narcisstic fossil than Trump I am not available. Sorry.

bliss - born with Leo Rising, in the year of the Fire Ox.
<https://www.chineseastrologyyear.com/archives/5924>

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Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

I perfer the thesis that the Book of Revelation was composed considering
the state of the Roman Empire and particularly Rome itself with its various >stupidities like Gladitoral contests, worship of many gods and goddess >imported
from all over the Empire and really confused Emperors and their foolish >wives.
Revelatiions is not a prophetic book just one that wants the Empire
to fall ASAP.

But the fall of the Roman Empire was a prophecy! And it was one that was fulfilled!
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 10:18:15 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

On 7/17/25 08:59, Paul S Person wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 12:40:19 -0400, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

On 7/16/2025 11:50 AM, Paul S Person wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 07:55:50 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer
<mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 11:49:13 -0700, Paul S Person wrote:

I still think he and his buddies are best regarded as petulant
5-year-olds.

And not the Antichrist? We have reached the End Times, you know.

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-indianapolis-star-christ-will-come-a/176768454/

This link worked properly.

( https://tinyurl.com/45hmrnxr )

This link does not bring up the article, causing confusion.

The insistence that everything is getting better and better is typical >>>> of Modernism, which, in some quarters, survived WWI and died after
WWII.

Has anyone else wondered what the "wearable medical monitoring
devices" are intended to look like? A mark, perhaps, on the hand or
forehead?

One of the books on Revelation I read within living memory identifies
the Beast with all of modern learning and technology, but identifies
the second beast as the propaganda department and the Whore as
advertising. Since Trump's efforts appear to be aimed at, as Disney
has Stromboli saying, "pushing you in the public's eye", that would
make the Orange Taco -- the Whore of Babylon.

I perfer the thesis that the Book of Revelation was composed considering
the state of the Roman Empire and particularly Rome itself with its various >stupidities like Gladitoral contests, worship of many gods and goddess >imported
from all over the Empire and really confused Emperors and their foolish >wives.
Revelatiions is not a prophetic book just one that wants the Empire
to fall ASAP.

I find the argument that it was written to encourage the local
churches to hold firm under persecution until the end to be most
useful.

And that it can do the same whenever the local churches are being
persecuted.

But I don't think this line of thought is particularly helpful.

Not a bit.>>

The sub-reddit /r/trump666 runs with this idea.

That 1925 article is the earliest reference to
the Age of Aquarius I've ever encountered.

Also, we're about 25 years beyond the projected time.

Personally, if /I/ were to interpret the 1000 years as many did in
1999, /I/ would place it in the 2030s, probably 2036 or 2039,
depending on when the cruciifixion occurred.

I do not, in fact, interpret things that way (or any other way,
really, although I do cite others' opinions from time to time).

I remember the arguements in print about when the Age of Aquarius
would start back in the 1960s and 1970s. I think Astrology is only for fun >because otherwise i would be a world leader according to natal horoscope
and I am not in any sense a world leader. However if the elecorate wants
a less decrepit narcisstic fossil than Trump I am not available. Sorry.

When Aquinas found it expedient to at least suggest that astrology
wasn't complete hooey (he was demonstrating that /what God wants/ and
/what God gets/ can be two different things at the time), he pointed
out that there was one Celestial Body which had (and still has) a
clearly visible effect on the planet Earth.

My favorite (and only) astrology book is /You Were Born on a Rotten
Day/. It gives one sign a very long lucky number and advises looking
for it everywhere. As it if could even be remembered. It advises
another sign that it's lucky number has been -- cancelled. And so on.

Actual testing has shown that the "forcasts" for each sign apply just
as well to people "born under" that sign as to people who were not.
Basically, the descriptions are so vague that they apply to everybody.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 16:32:04 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 07:33:10 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer >><mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 15:54:57 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 07:55:50 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer >>>>><mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-indianapolis-star-christ-will- >>>com=3D

Note additional line break inserted here!

e-a/176768454/

This link worked properly.

=20
So long as the spurious "=3D\n" is first removed.
=20

Pan, my newsreader, puts that in when it truncates line length.
I haven't found any way to alter that behavior.
As for tinyurl, I suspect that newspapers.com has an abivalent=20 >>>relationship with it, as the shortened link worked when I tested it.

Have you tried using "<>" as delimiters?

<https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-indianapolis-star-christ-will-com= >>e-a/176768454/>

Doesn't seem to help with your posting software, which "flowed" the URL.

Well, /that's/ discouraging.

The link is not broken when I download my own post from Eternal
September. But clearly this is not as universally effective as I had
thought.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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