• Clarke Award Finalists 2005

    From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 14 14:41:09 2025
    2005: The Ulster Volunteer Force struggles to grasp the meaning of the
    term ceasefire, Britain is astonished by the unlikely coincidence that
    every known WWI veteran is over 100 years of age, and in what some
    experts hope is a sign Britain has begun to emerge from chaos after
    the retreat of the Roman Empire, Dr Who is revived.

    Which 2005 Clarke Award Finalists Have You Read?
    Iron Council by China Mieville
    Cloud Atlas by David Mitchell
    Market Forces by Richard Morgan
    River of Gods by Ian McDonald
    The System of the World by Neal Stephenson
    The Time Traveler's Wife by Audrey Niffenegger

    I've read all of them except for the Mitchell and the Niffenegger.
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  • From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Mon Jul 14 20:56:55 2025
    On 2025-07-14, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:

    The Time Traveler's Wife by Audrey Niffenegger

    Does this feel as creepy as the movie adaptation did with the time
    traveler grooming a child to become his future wife?

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  • From Titus G@21:1/5 to Christian Weisgerber on Wed Jul 16 17:28:40 2025
    On 15/07/25 08:56, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
    On 2025-07-14, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:

    The Time Traveler's Wife by Audrey Niffenegger

    Does this feel as creepy as the movie adaptation did with the time
    traveler grooming a child to become his future wife?

    I disliked that book but didn't feel it creepy. It was boring, boring,
    boring, boring, boring and silly.
    Less than one star. Perhaps a small ember from yesterday's ashes.

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  • From Titus G@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Wed Jul 16 17:30:55 2025
    On 15/07/25 08:40, William Hyde wrote:
    snip

    "Cloud Atlas" was a rich, complex, enjoyable read.  I must reread it
    some day to see what is was all about.  Or I could see the movie.

    My turn to envy you.
    David Mitchell is one of my all time favourite authors and I loved all
    of his books except non SF Black Swan Green, his coming of age tale at thirteen. Again, I think that they should be read in publication order
    even though they are stand alone as there are references to characters
    across books as well as events. The evil but minor supernatural element
    is consistent across the books.
    I thought that the three hour Cloud Atlas film which followed the five
    star book closely was brilliant but didn't have the same consistent
    impact for all six stories with one seeming weaker than the book to me
    but a minor complaint.

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  • From Titus G@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Wed Jul 16 17:33:27 2025
    On 15/07/25 02:41, James Nicoll wrote:
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    Which 2005 Clarke Award Finalists Have You Read?
    Iron Council by China Mieville
    Cloud Atlas by David Mitchell
    Market Forces by Richard Morgan
    River of Gods by Ian McDonald
    The System of the World by Neal Stephenson
    The Time Traveler's Wife by Audrey Niffenegger

    I've read all of them except for the Mitchell and the Niffenegger.

    The best and the worst.

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  • From Jerry Brown@21:1/5 to Titus G on Wed Jul 16 08:30:16 2025
    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 17:30:55 +1200, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 15/07/25 08:40, William Hyde wrote:
    snip

    "Cloud Atlas" was a rich, complex, enjoyable read.  I must reread it
    some day to see what is was all about.  Or I could see the movie.

    My turn to envy you.
    David Mitchell is one of my all time favourite authors and I loved all
    of his books except non SF Black Swan Green, his coming of age tale at

    AKA Adrian Mole in a more rural setting

    thirteen. Again, I think that they should be read in publication order

    Agreed. I read Cloud Atlas straight after seeing the film version,
    then a friend advised me to read The Bone Clocks and Slade House
    (neither of us knew then about the links between his books) and thus
    had several plot elements spoilered as I later filled in the gaps.

    even though they are stand alone as there are references to characters
    across books as well as events. The evil but minor supernatural element
    is consistent across the books.
    I thought that the three hour Cloud Atlas film which followed the five
    star book closely was brilliant but didn't have the same consistent
    impact for all six stories with one seeming weaker than the book to me

    Jim Broadbent in the asylum? My feeling is that this was a tribute to
    the obligatory comedy segment in virtually every portmanteau horror
    film, going right back to Dead of Night. I also appreciated the irony
    of it being a revolutionary inspiration in the future dystopia.

    but a minor complaint.

    At some point I plan a complete reread, this time in strict
    publication order.

    --
    Jerry Brown

    A cat may look at a king
    (but probably won't bother)

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  • From Don@21:1/5 to Melissa Hollingsworth on Fri Jul 25 00:44:35 2025
    Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    James Nicoll wrote:
    The Time Traveler's Wife by Audrey Niffenegger

    I've read all of them except for the Mitchell and the Niffenegger.

    The Time Traveler's Wife isn't boundary-pushing SF, but it's a very good
    love story. I don't usually read love stories, and I enjoyed it.

    Intellectual romance, along the lines of WAR AND PEACE's placid
    passages, ranks as one of my favorites. Taken by itself, the romance
    element in THE TIME TRAVELER'S WIFE, is indeed enjoyable.
    From my perspective THE TIME TRAVELER'S WIFE is a jigsawed romance.
    Readers must mentally assemble nonlinear story snippets to see the
    overarching plot unfold in their mind's eye.
    Niffenegger uses an in-story quote from MAN AND TIME by Preistley.
    It leaves me with the impression she's read the Preistley. If so,
    Niffenegger's well versed in the temporal underpinnings of time travel.
    Yet, the tale's tick-tock tempo may metaphorically misdirect. My
    copy contains a READING GROUP GUIDE. One of its questions is: "How does
    the author use time travel as a metaphor: for love, for loss and
    absence, for fate, for aging, for death?"

    # # #

    CLOUD ATLAS jigsaws its narrative in a different manner. It explores
    entangled emotions and events transposed through time. Its small swarms
    of symbiotic souls sort of segue through a many worlds universe.

    # # #

    Neither nonlinear novel is recommended by me. They both spew more
    profanity and blasphemy than a obnoxious loud-mouth drunk who fouls
    himself sitting in a cheap seat at a Major League Baseball game.

    Poe's prose poem EUREKA scratches my puzzle fiction itch better.

    Eureka (1848) is the climax of Poe's thinking, in astronomy
    and cosmology, and is his most ambitious literary work
    employing a considerable amount of scientific information.
    His almost lifelong interest in astronomy and other sciences
    might result in an attempt to explain the origin and
    functioning of the universe. His metaphysical bent would urge
    him to fill in by intuition the gaps left by science. His
    conscious knowledge of his powers as an author would demand
    that he perform better what several less skilful writers had
    attempted before him. Instead of being the anomaly in his
    writings that some critics have considered it, Eureka is in
    some respects the climactic art-product of this literary artist
    who took science as a source of material.

    (excerpt)

    <https://www.eapoe.org/papers/misc1921/cdl51c12.htm>

    Danke,

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