• (Worst) Tarnsman of Gor (Gor, volume 1) by John Norman

    From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 22 13:04:06 2025
    Tarnsman of Gor (Gor, volume 1) by John Norman

    In this ERB pastiche, unremarkable academic Tarl Cabot reinvents himself
    as a man of action on the counter-Earth, Gor. There's much less BDSM than
    the series reputation would lead one to expect.

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/what-you-critics-said

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  • From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Tue Jul 22 18:34:34 2025
    On 2025-07-22, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:

    Tarnsman of Gor (Gor, volume 1) by John Norman

    In this ERB pastiche, unremarkable academic Tarl Cabot reinvents himself
    as a man of action on the counter-Earth, Gor. There's much less BDSM than
    the series reputation would lead one to expect.

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/what-you-critics-said

    The first five _Gor_ books are rip-roaring planetary romance in the
    vein of Edgar Rice Burroughs. The dominant culture on Gor is a
    pastiche of classical Greek and Roman antiquity, which appears to
    be Norman's area of expertise. He's certainly illiterate when it
    comes to the physical sciences.

    Only in book six does the series take a weird turn, and starting
    with volume seven it enters the territory it has become infamous
    for: Norman writing ever longer diatribes how "women are natural
    slaves", endless submission games, yada, yada. He still can write
    a good adventure story, but he increasingly chooses not to.

    Regarding Norman's prose, I'll point out that _Tarnsman of Gor_ was
    the very first book I ever read in English, only equipped with the
    sort of second-language English taught in German schools, and
    I COULD READ IT. That was very encouraging. (The second author I
    tried was Hal Clement, not exactly known as a paragon of style, and
    that proved a lot tougher.)

    Norman's dialogue is very stylized because he doesn't use contractions.

    | Astonishingly, scurrilous rumour suggests that when Donald Wollheim
    | tempted Norman away from Ballantine to DAW, one of the enticements
    | was that Norman would no longer be edited.

    I couldn't help but notice that Norman's paragraphs were becoming
    longer and longer in the later books. I suspect he was given a
    maximum page count and tried to fit in as much text as possible.

    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to zotzlists@gmail.com on Tue Jul 22 19:32:14 2025
    In article <105oi60$19b1$1@dont-email.me>, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com> wrote: >On 22/07/2025 14:04, James Nicoll wrote:
    There's much less BDSM than
    the series reputation would lead one to expect.

    As well as I can remember forty years down the line, that sort of
    thing started as one feature of the stories and over a few volumes
    became the main point.


    The books were decent planetary romances with a bit more sex than
    Burroughs until such time as Tarl Cabot himself got enslaved and never completely recovered. That actually turned out to be a decent book with
    the epic "**This** is the homestone of Port Kar" sequence, but after that
    the kink continued to rise at the expense of the story.

    IMHO, Lynn would do better to start (re-start?) the Dray Prescot books
    than the Gor ones.
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    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to Ted Nolan on Tue Jul 22 16:28:02 2025
    On Jul 22, 2025, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan wrote
    (in article <mea79uFfsrnU1@mid.individual.net>):

    In article<105oi60$19b1$1@dont-email.me>, Graham<zotzlists@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 22/07/2025 14:04, James Nicoll wrote:
    There's much less BDSM than
    the series reputation would lead one to expect.

    As well as I can remember forty years down the line, that sort of
    thing started as one feature of the stories and over a few volumes
    became the main point.

    The books were decent planetary romances with a bit more sex than
    Burroughs until such time as Tarl Cabot himself got enslaved and never completely recovered. That actually turned out to be a decent book with
    the epic "**This** is the homestone of Port Kar" sequence, but after that
    the kink continued to rise at the expense of the story.

    IMHO, Lynn would do better to start (re-start?) the Dray Prescot books
    than the Gor ones.

    He could also look at Stirling’s Lords of Creation books. The first two,
    set on an extremely Burroughs-like but with twists Venus and Mars were fairly good. Stirling is (finally!) threatening to bring out the long (very long) awaited third.

    We’ll just say that Stirling’s Mars is the anti-Gor not least due to how the Princess of Mars spends so much time rescuing her Earther boyfriend.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to thetruemelissa@gmail.com on Sun Jul 27 19:29:16 2025
    Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    It wasn't porn in the literal sense of depicting sex explicitly. It was
    more that the entire theme and vibe were from porn. For instance, early
    in the book, the protagonist is knocked to the ground by a man who's
    angry with her. As she's sprawled and looking up at him, she thinks
    about how beautiful she must look with her cringing posture and fearful >expression.

    My ex described it as "porn with all the good parts left out." I think
    that is pretty much a solid assessment of the situation.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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