• [NEWS] Fugitive Doctor is "officially" first incarnation

    From Your Name@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 31 10:52:33 2025
    For those interested in The Doctoress nonsense seasons, the Fugitive
    Doctor is (according to the actress) an incarnation of Doctor Who that
    predates William Hartnell's version ...


    Jo Martin Was Officially Told Her Doctor Who Incarnation
    Is the Real First Doctor
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Ever since Jo Martin's Fugitive Doctor was unveiled in
    Doctor Who back in 2020, fans have wondered exactly where
    her incarnation fits in with the other Doctors.

    Speaking about her role in the latest issue of DWM, Martin
    acknowledged the ambiguity surrounding her character's
    place in the show's mythology. "I think a lot of fans are
    really hung up on that. Quite a few want to know - where
    in the canon do I come? They'll come and ask me on train
    journeys! I'm like, 'Listen, you'll have to ask Mr Chibnall,
    because I didn't write this.'"

    Martin's incarnation of the Doctor was, of course, first
    introduced during Jodie Whittaker's era as part of the
    controversial Timeless Child storyline (which massively
    complicates the Time Lord's origins, to put it lightly!).
    Some fans assumed that her character predated William
    Hartnell's Doctor, but former Doctor Who showrunner Chris
    Chibnall has remained deliberately vague about the details.

    Now, the actress has shared a surprising revelation: she was
    originally briefed that she is the actual first incarnation
    of the Doctor. Step aside, William Hartnell.

    Martin said, "All I know is that when I took the job and they
    were trying to explain my Doctor to me, I was told how it was
    going to work - that I was the First Doctor. So, I was like,
    'Okay!'"

    So that's the end of that mystery. Or is it?

    Martin reflected on the opportunity to expand the character
    beyond her brief appearances on television in the latest audio
    dramas. "It's lovely because we can dive a bit deeper. On TV,
    she seemed very decisive, very strong; she's fearless and has
    no hesitation. Whereas in the Big Finish audios, because we've
    got more time, we see many sides of her."

    Fans will have to wait and see if the TV series ever returns to
    the Fugitive Doctor's story, but if Jo Martin is the real First
    Doctor, who knows what this means for the numbering. As if it
    wasn't messy enough!


    <https://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/jo-martin-reveals-first-doctor-103463.htm>

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  • From The True Doctor@21:1/5 to Your Name on Thu Jan 30 23:38:01 2025
    On 30/01/2025 21:52, Your Name wrote:

    For those interested in The Doctoress nonsense seasons, the Fugitive
    Doctor is (according to the actress) an incarnation of Doctor Who that predates William Hartnell's version ...


       Jo Martin Was Officially Told Her Doctor Who Incarnation
       Is the Real First Doctor

    BULLSHIT!

    Doctor Who ended in 2017. Everything claiming to be Doctor Who after
    that is nothing more than fan fic.

       --------------------------------------------------------
       Ever since Jo Martin's Fugitive Doctor was unveiled in
       Doctor Who back in 2020, fans have wondered exactly where
       her incarnation fits in with the other Doctors.

       Speaking about her role in the latest issue of DWM, Martin
       acknowledged the ambiguity surrounding her character's
       place in the show's mythology. "I think a lot of fans are
       really hung up on that. Quite a few want to know - where
       in the canon do I come? They'll come and ask me on train
       journeys! I'm like, 'Listen, you'll have to ask Mr Chibnall,
       because I didn't write this.'"

       Martin's incarnation of the Doctor was, of course, first
       introduced during Jodie Whittaker's era as part of the
       controversial Timeless Child storyline (which massively
       complicates the Time Lord's origins, to put it lightly!).
       Some fans assumed that her character predated William
       Hartnell's Doctor, but former Doctor Who showrunner Chris
       Chibnall has remained deliberately vague about the details.

       Now, the actress has shared a surprising revelation: she was
       originally briefed that she is the actual first incarnation
       of the Doctor. Step aside, William Hartnell.

       Martin said, "All I know is that when I took the job and they
       were trying to explain my Doctor to me, I was told how it was
       going to work - that I was the First Doctor. So, I was like,
       'Okay!'"

       So that's the end of that mystery. Or is it?

       Martin reflected on the opportunity to expand the character
       beyond her brief appearances on television in the latest audio
       dramas. "It's lovely because we can dive a bit deeper. On TV,
       she seemed very decisive, very strong; she's fearless and has
       no hesitation. Whereas in the Big Finish audios, because we've
       got more time, we see many sides of her."

       Fans will have to wait and see if the TV series ever returns to
       the Fugitive Doctor's story, but if Jo Martin is the real First
       Doctor, who knows what this means for the numbering. As if it
       wasn't messy enough!


       <https://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/jo-martin-reveals-first- doctor-103463.htm>






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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to YourName@YourISP.com on Fri Jan 31 00:57:19 2025
    In article <vngsb1$34sg0$1@dont-email.me>,
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    For those interested in The Doctoress nonsense seasons, the Fugitive
    Doctor is (according to the actress) an incarnation of Doctor Who that >predates William Hartnell's version ...


    Jo Martin Was Officially Told Her Doctor Who Incarnation
    Is the Real First Doctor
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Ever since Jo Martin's Fugitive Doctor was unveiled in
    Doctor Who back in 2020, fans have wondered exactly where
    her incarnation fits in with the other Doctors.

    Speaking about her role in the latest issue of DWM, Martin
    acknowledged the ambiguity surrounding her character's
    place in the show's mythology. "I think a lot of fans are
    really hung up on that. Quite a few want to know - where
    in the canon do I come? They'll come and ask me on train
    journeys! I'm like, 'Listen, you'll have to ask Mr Chibnall,
    because I didn't write this.'"

    Martin's incarnation of the Doctor was, of course, first
    introduced during Jodie Whittaker's era as part of the
    controversial Timeless Child storyline (which massively
    complicates the Time Lord's origins, to put it lightly!).
    Some fans assumed that her character predated William
    Hartnell's Doctor, but former Doctor Who showrunner Chris
    Chibnall has remained deliberately vague about the details.

    Now, the actress has shared a surprising revelation: she was
    originally briefed that she is the actual first incarnation
    of the Doctor. Step aside, William Hartnell.

    Martin said, "All I know is that when I took the job and they
    were trying to explain my Doctor to me, I was told how it was
    going to work - that I was the First Doctor. So, I was like,
    'Okay!'"

    So that's the end of that mystery. Or is it?

    Martin reflected on the opportunity to expand the character
    beyond her brief appearances on television in the latest audio
    dramas. "It's lovely because we can dive a bit deeper. On TV,
    she seemed very decisive, very strong; she's fearless and has
    no hesitation. Whereas in the Big Finish audios, because we've
    got more time, we see many sides of her."

    Fans will have to wait and see if the TV series ever returns to
    the Fugitive Doctor's story, but if Jo Martin is the real First
    Doctor, who knows what this means for the numbering. As if it
    wasn't messy enough!


    <https://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/jo-martin-reveals-first-doctor-103463.htm>





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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM on Fri Jan 31 00:57:47 2025
    In article <vnh2gq$35v9m$1@dont-email.me>,
    The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
    On 30/01/2025 21:52, Your Name wrote:

    For those interested in The Doctoress nonsense seasons, the Fugitive
    Doctor is (according to the actress) an incarnation of Doctor Who that
    predates William Hartnell's version ...


       Jo Martin Was Officially Told Her Doctor Who Incarnation
       Is the Real First Doctor

    BULL!

    Doctor Who ended in 2017. Everything claiming to be Doctor Who after
    that is nothing more than fan fic.


    Retcon it!
       --------------------------------------------------------
       Ever since Jo Martin's Fugitive Doctor was unveiled in
       Doctor Who back in 2020, fans have wondered exactly where
       her incarnation fits in with the other Doctors.

       Speaking about her role in the latest issue of DWM, Martin
       acknowledged the ambiguity surrounding her character's
       place in the show's mythology. "I think a lot of fans are
       really hung up on that. Quite a few want to know - where
       in the canon do I come? They'll come and ask me on train
       journeys! I'm like, 'Listen, you'll have to ask Mr Chibnall,
       because I didn't write this.'"

       Martin's incarnation of the Doctor was, of course, first
       introduced during Jodie Whittaker's era as part of the
       controversial Timeless Child storyline (which massively
       complicates the Time Lord's origins, to put it lightly!).
       Some fans assumed that her character predated William
       Hartnell's Doctor, but former Doctor Who showrunner Chris
       Chibnall has remained deliberately vague about the details.

       Now, the actress has shared a surprising revelation: she was
       originally briefed that she is the actual first incarnation
       of the Doctor. Step aside, William Hartnell.

       Martin said, "All I know is that when I took the job and they
       were trying to explain my Doctor to me, I was told how it was
       going to work - that I was the First Doctor. So, I was like,
       'Okay!'"

       So that's the end of that mystery. Or is it?

       Martin reflected on the opportunity to expand the character
       beyond her brief appearances on television in the latest audio
       dramas. "It's lovely because we can dive a bit deeper. On TV,
       she seemed very decisive, very strong; she's fearless and has
       no hesitation. Whereas in the Big Finish audios, because we've
       got more time, we see many sides of her."

       Fans will have to wait and see if the TV series ever returns to
       the Fugitive Doctor's story, but if Jo Martin is the real First
       Doctor, who knows what this means for the numbering. As if it
       wasn't messy enough!


       <https://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/jo-martin-reveals-first-
    doctor-103463.htm>






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  • From Woozy Song@21:1/5 to Your Name on Fri Jan 31 09:52:26 2025
    Your Name wrote:

    For those interested in The Doctoress nonsense seasons, the Fugitive
    Doctor is (according to the actress) an incarnation of Doctor Who that predates William Hartnell's version ...




    So can we call her Doctor Zero as a compromise to stop all the
    schoolyard bickering?

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Woozy Song on Fri Jan 31 18:53:40 2025
    On 2025-01-31 01:52:26 +0000, Woozy Song said:
    Your Name wrote:

    For those interested in The Doctoress nonsense seasons, the Fugitive
    Doctor is (according to the actress) an incarnation of Doctor Who that
    predates William Hartnell's version ...

    So can we call her Doctor Zero as a compromise to stop all the
    schoolyard bickering?

    Both "Doctor Zero" and "Doctor 0" already exist in other franchises. :-)

    The rumour is thta there were multiple incarnations before Hartnell, so
    whether or not the "Fugitive Doctor" is the real *first* is unknown
    (even ignoring the Politically Correct stupidity of the Doctor being a
    women and black) ... the "Fugitive Doctor" certainly looks nothing like
    the, supposed, child version of the Doctor seen in a previous episode.

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to suzyw0ng@outlook.com on Fri Jan 31 05:24:53 2025
    In article <vnhacq$373tt$1@dont-email.me>,
    Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> wrote:
    Your Name wrote:

    For those interested in The Doctoress nonsense seasons, the Fugitive
    Doctor is (according to the actress) an incarnation of Doctor Who that
    predates William Hartnell's version ...




    So can we call her Doctor Zero as a compromise to stop all the
    schoolyard bickering?

    Retcon it!
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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Your Name on Fri Jan 31 07:53:45 2025
    Your Name wrote:


    For those interested in The Doctoress nonsense seasons, the
    Fugitive Doctor is (according to the actress) an incarnation
    of Doctor Who that predates William Hartnell's version ...


    Jo Martin Was Officially Told Her Doctor Who Incarnation
    Is the Real First Doctor --------------------------------------------------------

    [Snip]

    Now, the actress has shared a surprising revelation: she was
    originally briefed that she is the actual first incarnation
    of the Doctor. Step aside, William Hartnell.

    Martin said, "All I know is that when I took the job and
    they were trying to explain my Doctor to me, I was told how
    it was going to work - that I was the First Doctor. So, I
    was like, 'Okay!'"

    So that's the end of that mystery. Or is it?

    Martin reflected on the opportunity to expand the character
    beyond her brief appearances on television in the latest
    audio dramas. "It's lovely because we can dive a bit
    deeper. On TV, she seemed very decisive, very strong; she's
    fearless and has no hesitation. Whereas in the Big Finish
    audios, because we've got more time, we see many sides of
    her."

    Fans will have to wait and see if the TV series ever
    returns to the Fugitive Doctor's story, but if Jo Martin is
    the real First Doctor, who knows what this means for the
    numbering. As if it wasn't messy enough!




    <https://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/jo-martin-reveals-first-doctor-103463.htm>

    Oh no... now you've gone and done it!

    The "there are no pre-Hartnell Doctors" brigade could wave away
    the Morbius 'Doctors' - mainly thanks to Terrance Dicks - but
    they'll throw a hissy fit over this!!!

    Cries of #FAKE NEWS and Bogus! will be thrown around in response
    to this shocking revelation.

    Not that they could find an exact placement for Jo Martin's
    Doctor anyway... it is much easier to just say the show ended in
    2017 to avoid having to deal with such stuff.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to The True Doctor on Fri Jan 31 08:05:04 2025
    The True Doctor wrote:

    On 30/01/2025 21:52, Your Name wrote:

    For those interested in The Doctoress nonsense seasons, the
    Fugitive Doctor is (according to the actress) an
    incarnation of Doctor Who that predates William Hartnell's
    version ...


    Jo Martin Was Officially Told Her Doctor Who Incarnation
    Is the Real First Doctor

    BULLSHIT!

    Damn! My money was on "FAKE NEWS!"

    Oh well.

    Doctor Who ended in 2017. Everything claiming to be Doctor Who
    after that is nothing more than fan fic.

    If that helps you sleep at night, it's all good. Your Doctor Who
    head-canon is your own, you can like what you like and ignore
    what you don't. Life is so much easier that way... much easier
    than expecting a TV show to change just to suit your needs
    anyway.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Your Name on Fri Jan 31 08:07:49 2025
    Your Name wrote:

    The rumour is thta there were multiple incarnations before
    Hartnell,

    Stop! I can't take this... it's way too early in the morning...


    ... so whether or not the "Fugitive Doctor" is the real
    first is unknown (even ignoring the Politically Correct
    stupidity of the Doctor being a women and black) ... the
    "Fugitive Doctor" certainly looks nothing like the, supposed,
    child version of the Doctor seen in a previous episode.


    <Time to answer some work e-mails>

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Woozy Song on Fri Jan 31 07:59:50 2025
    Woozy Song wrote:

    Your Name wrote:

    For those interested in The Doctoress nonsense seasons, the
    Fugitive Doctor is (according to the actress) an
    incarnation of Doctor Who that predates William Hartnell's
    version ...

    So can we call her Doctor Zero as a compromise to stop all the
    schoolyard bickering?

    Doctor Who fans compromise? New to fandom are you?!

    It would be easier to try and get blood out of a stone than get
    [some] Doctor Who fans to change their opinion... on ANYTHING!

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to YourName@YourISP.com on Fri Jan 31 13:48:03 2025
    In article <vnhoh4$3cone$1@dont-email.me>,
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2025-01-31 01:52:26 +0000, Woozy Song said:
    Your Name wrote:

    For those interested in The Doctoress nonsense seasons, the Fugitive
    Doctor is (according to the actress) an incarnation of Doctor Who that
    predates William Hartnell's version ...

    So can we call her Doctor Zero as a compromise to stop all the
    schoolyard bickering?

    Both "Doctor Zero" and "Doctor 0" already exist in other franchises. :-)

    The rumour is thta there were multiple incarnations before Hartnell, so >whether or not the "Fugitive Doctor" is the real *first* is unknown
    (even ignoring the Politically Correct stupidity of the Doctor being a
    women and black) ... the "Fugitive Doctor" certainly looks nothing like
    the, supposed, child version of the Doctor seen in a previous episode.


    REtcon The Timeless Child out of doctor Who!
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Fri Jan 31 13:51:54 2025
    In article <xn0p1gara41mxz1002@post.eweka.nl>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    Woozy Song wrote:

    Your Name wrote:

    For those interested in The Doctoress nonsense seasons, the
    Fugitive Doctor is (according to the actress) an
    incarnation of Doctor Who that predates William Hartnell's
    version ...

    So can we call her Doctor Zero as a compromise to stop all the
    schoolyard bickering?

    Doctor Who fans compromise? New to fandom are you?!

    It would be easier to try and get blood out of a stone than get
    [some] Doctor Who fans to change their opinion... on ANYTHING!




    Save Doctor Who! Retcon the Timeless child!
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Fri Jan 31 13:50:49 2025
    In article <xn0p1gajk41bq4e000@post.eweka.nl>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    Your Name wrote:


    For those interested in The Doctoress nonsense seasons, the
    Fugitive Doctor is (according to the actress) an incarnation
    of Doctor Who that predates William Hartnell's version ...


    Jo Martin Was Officially Told Her Doctor Who Incarnation
    Is the Real First Doctor
    --------------------------------------------------------

    [Snip]

    Now, the actress has shared a surprising revelation: she was
    originally briefed that she is the actual first incarnation
    of the Doctor. Step aside, William Hartnell.

    Martin said, "All I know is that when I took the job and
    they were trying to explain my Doctor to me, I was told how
    it was going to work - that I was the First Doctor. So, I
    was like, 'Okay!'"

    So that's the end of that mystery. Or is it?

    Martin reflected on the opportunity to expand the character
    beyond her brief appearances on television in the latest
    audio dramas. "It's lovely because we can dive a bit
    deeper. On TV, she seemed very decisive, very strong; she's
    fearless and has no hesitation. Whereas in the Big Finish
    audios, because we've got more time, we see many sides of
    her."

    Fans will have to wait and see if the TV series ever
    returns to the Fugitive Doctor's story, but if Jo Martin is
    the real First Doctor, who knows what this means for the
    numbering. As if it wasn't messy enough!




    <https://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/jo-martin-reveals-first-doctor-103463.htm>

    Oh no... now you've gone and done it!

    The "there are no pre-Hartnell Doctors" brigade could wave away
    the Morbius 'Doctors' - mainly thanks to Terrance Dicks - but
    they'll throw a hissy fit over this!!!

    Cries of #FAKE NEWS and Bogus! will be thrown around in response
    to this shocking revelation.

    Not that they could find an exact placement for Jo Martin's
    Doctor anyway... it is much easier to just say the show ended in
    2017 to avoid having to deal with such stuff.




    Save Doctor Who! Retcon the Timeless Child!
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Fri Jan 31 13:53:08 2025
    In article <xn0p1gb1y41x8gp004@post.eweka.nl>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    Your Name wrote:

    The rumour is thta there were multiple incarnations before
    Hartnell,

    Stop! I can't take this... it's way too early in the morning...


    ... so whether or not the "Fugitive Doctor" is the real
    first is unknown (even ignoring the Politically Correct
    stupidity of the Doctor being a women and black) ... the
    "Fugitive Doctor" certainly looks nothing like the, supposed,
    child version of the Doctor seen in a previous episode.


    <Time to answer some work e-mails>

    Sabve Doctor Who! Retcon the Timeless Child!
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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Fri Jan 31 14:24:05 2025
    The Doctor wrote:

    Save Doctor Who! Retcon the Timeless Child!

    Now Dave, you've got your own thread which you can use as an
    echo chamber to play your broken record, over and over again...

    Now there's no need to pollute all of the other threads here
    with your standard inane response to everything.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Sat Feb 1 10:38:57 2025
    On 2025-01-31 08:05:04 +0000, Blueshirt said:
    The True Doctor wrote:
    On 30/01/2025 21:52, Your Name wrote:

    For those interested in The Doctoress nonsense seasons, the
    Fugitive Doctor is (according to the actress) an
    incarnation of Doctor Who that predates William Hartnell's
    version ...


    Jo Martin Was Officially Told Her Doctor Who Incarnation
    Is the Real First Doctor

    BULLSHIT!

    Damn! My money was on "FAKE NEWS!"

    Oh well.

    Doctor Who ended in 2017. Everything claiming to be Doctor Who
    after that is nothing more than fan fic.

    If that helps you sleep at night, it's all good. Your Doctor Who
    head-canon is your own, you can like what you like and ignore
    what you don't. Life is so much easier that way... much easier
    than expecting a TV show to change just to suit your needs
    anyway.

    Changing things to suit their own needs is exactly how the entire
    entertainment industry works - TV, movies, books, ... Very few
    "adaptations" are ever the same as the original, let alone stupid
    "reboots" / "reimaginings". :-(

    We watched a documentary about the UK detective show "Wycliffe"
    recently. They filmed the pilot similar-ish to the original book, but
    then threw all that out when they made the TV series - they updated it
    it to a newer time, changed the characters, etc. They ended up with a
    show that bears almost no resemblance to the original books (and a show
    that the original author hated), other than having a main character
    named Wycliffe. Anybody with more than one braincell and a milligram of
    common sense would have to ask "Why bother?" :-\

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to YourName@YourISP.com on Sat Feb 1 01:29:13 2025
    In article <vnjftg$3mmug$1@dont-email.me>,
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2025-01-31 08:05:04 +0000, Blueshirt said:
    The True Doctor wrote:
    On 30/01/2025 21:52, Your Name wrote:

    For those interested in The Doctoress nonsense seasons, the
    Fugitive Doctor is (according to the actress) an
    incarnation of Doctor Who that predates William Hartnell's
    version ...


    Jo Martin Was Officially Told Her Doctor Who Incarnation
    Is the Real First Doctor

    BULL!

    Damn! My money was on "FAKE NEWS!"

    Oh well.

    Doctor Who ended in 2017. Everything claiming to be Doctor Who
    after that is nothing more than fan fic.

    If that helps you sleep at night, it's all good. Your Doctor Who
    head-canon is your own, you can like what you like and ignore
    what you don't. Life is so much easier that way... much easier
    than expecting a TV show to change just to suit your needs
    anyway.

    Changing things to suit their own needs is exactly how the entire >entertainment industry works - TV, movies, books, ... Very few
    "adaptations" are ever the same as the original, let alone stupid
    "reboots" / "reimaginings". :-(

    We watched a documentary about the UK detective show "Wycliffe"
    recently. They filmed the pilot similar-ish to the original book, but
    then threw all that out when they made the TV series - they updated it
    it to a newer time, changed the characters, etc. They ended up with a
    show that bears almost no resemblance to the original books (and a show
    that the original author hated), other than having a main character
    named Wycliffe. Anybody with more than one braincell and a milligram of >common sense would have to ask "Why bother?" :-\



    Retcon the Timeless Child!
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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Sat Feb 1 23:41:46 2025
    On 31/01/2025 6:53 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    Your Name wrote:

    For those interested in The Doctoress nonsense seasons, the
    Fugitive Doctor is (according to the actress) an incarnation
    of Doctor Who that predates William Hartnell's version ...

    Jo Martin Was Officially Told Her Doctor Who Incarnation
    Is the Real First Doctor
    --------------------------------------------------------

    [Snip]

    Now, the actress has shared a surprising revelation: she was
    originally briefed that she is the actual first incarnation
    of the Doctor. Step aside, William Hartnell.

    Martin said, "All I know is that when I took the job and
    they were trying to explain my Doctor to me, I was told how
    it was going to work - that I was the First Doctor. So, I
    was like, 'Okay!'"

    So that's the end of that mystery. Or is it?

    Martin reflected on the opportunity to expand the character
    beyond her brief appearances on television in the latest
    audio dramas. "It's lovely because we can dive a bit
    deeper. On TV, she seemed very decisive, very strong; she's
    fearless and has no hesitation. Whereas in the Big Finish
    audios, because we've got more time, we see many sides of
    her."

    Fans will have to wait and see if the TV series ever
    returns to the Fugitive Doctor's story, but if Jo Martin is
    the real First Doctor, who knows what this means for the
    numbering. As if it wasn't messy enough!

    <https://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/jo-martin-reveals-first-doctor-103463.htm>

    Oh no... now you've gone and done it!

    The "there are no pre-Hartnell Doctors" brigade could wave away
    the Morbius 'Doctors' - mainly thanks to Terrance Dicks - but
    they'll throw a hissy fit over this!!!

    Cries of #FAKE NEWS and Bogus! will be thrown around in response
    to this shocking revelation.

    Not that they could find an exact placement for Jo Martin's
    Doctor anyway... it is much easier to just say the show ended in
    2017 to avoid having to deal with such stuff.
    But .... Hang on ..... Didn't JoDoctor come along several Gazillion regenerations after The Timeless Child (Sorry, I HAD to mention 'her'!!)??
    --
    Daniel70

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 1 13:17:25 2025
    Daniel70 wrote:

    On 31/01/2025 6:53 pm, Blueshirt wrote:

    Oh no... now you've gone and done it!

    The "there are no pre-Hartnell Doctors" brigade could wave
    away the Morbius 'Doctors' - mainly thanks to Terrance Dicks
    - but they'll throw a hissy fit over this!!!

    Cries of #FAKE NEWS and Bogus! will be thrown around in
    response to this shocking revelation.

    Not that they could find an exact placement for Jo Martin's
    Doctor anyway... it is much easier to just say the show
    ended in 2017 to avoid having to deal with such stuff.

    But .... Hang on ..... Didn't JoDoctor come along several
    Gazillion regenerations after The Timeless Child (Sorry,
    I HAD to mention 'her'!!)??

    In 'their' mind... IF Doctor Who finished in 2017 then anything
    created after that (i.e. during the Chris Chibnall era) doesn't
    exist.

    For them, Peter Capaldi is still the Doctor and they are just
    waiting for the 12th Doctor to step out of the shower...

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to daniel47@eternal-september.org on Sat Feb 1 16:10:34 2025
    In article <vnl4qb$3j7e$1@dont-email.me>,
    Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
    On 31/01/2025 6:53 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    Your Name wrote:

    For those interested in The Doctoress nonsense seasons, the
    Fugitive Doctor is (according to the actress) an incarnation
    of Doctor Who that predates William Hartnell's version ...

    Jo Martin Was Officially Told Her Doctor Who Incarnation
    Is the Real First Doctor
    --------------------------------------------------------

    [Snip]

    Now, the actress has shared a surprising revelation: she was
    originally briefed that she is the actual first incarnation
    of the Doctor. Step aside, William Hartnell.

    Martin said, "All I know is that when I took the job and
    they were trying to explain my Doctor to me, I was told how
    it was going to work - that I was the First Doctor. So, I
    was like, 'Okay!'"

    So that's the end of that mystery. Or is it?

    Martin reflected on the opportunity to expand the character
    beyond her brief appearances on television in the latest
    audio dramas. "It's lovely because we can dive a bit
    deeper. On TV, she seemed very decisive, very strong; she's
    fearless and has no hesitation. Whereas in the Big Finish
    audios, because we've got more time, we see many sides of
    her."

    Fans will have to wait and see if the TV series ever
    returns to the Fugitive Doctor's story, but if Jo Martin is
    the real First Doctor, who knows what this means for the
    numbering. As if it wasn't messy enough!

    <https://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/jo-martin-reveals-first-doctor-103463.htm>

    Oh no... now you've gone and done it!

    The "there are no pre-Hartnell Doctors" brigade could wave away
    the Morbius 'Doctors' - mainly thanks to Terrance Dicks - but
    they'll throw a hissy fit over this!!!

    Cries of #FAKE NEWS and Bogus! will be thrown around in response
    to this shocking revelation.

    Not that they could find an exact placement for Jo Martin's
    Doctor anyway... it is much easier to just say the show ended in
    2017 to avoid having to deal with such stuff.
    But .... Hang on ..... Didn't JoDoctor come along several Gazillion >regenerations after The Timeless Child (Sorry, I HAD to mention 'her'!!)??

    Bogus!

    Retcon the Timeless child!

    --
    Daniel70


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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Sat Feb 1 17:10:23 2025
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <vnl4qb$3j7e$1@dont-email.me>,
    Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

    But .... Hang on ..... Didn't JoDoctor come along several
    Gazillion regenerations after The Timeless Child (Sorry, I
    HAD to mention 'her'!!)??

    Bogus!

    Retcon the Timeless child!

    Is there a year when you will give up and accept that the
    Timeless Child is not going to be retconned? Surely there will
    have to be a time when even you realise that it's not going to
    happen. So what will we say, 2030? 2035?

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Sat Feb 1 17:30:33 2025
    In article <xn0p1jih060qlud002@post.eweka.nl>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <vnl4qb$3j7e$1@dont-email.me>,
    Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

    But .... Hang on ..... Didn't JoDoctor come along several
    Gazillion regenerations after The Timeless Child (Sorry, I
    HAD to mention 'her'!!)??

    Bogus!

    Retcon the Timeless child!

    Is there a year when you will give up and accept that the
    Timeless Child is not going to be retconned? Surely there will
    have to be a time when even you realise that it's not going to
    happen. So what will we say, 2030? 2035?

    Save Doctor Who ! Retcon the Timeless Child!
    The Timeless Child does not belong in Doctor Who!
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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Sun Feb 2 09:54:22 2025
    On 2025-02-01 13:17:25 +0000, Blueshirt said:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    On 31/01/2025 6:53 pm, Blueshirt wrote:

    Oh no... now you've gone and done it!

    The "there are no pre-Hartnell Doctors" brigade could wave
    away the Morbius 'Doctors' - mainly thanks to Terrance Dicks
    - but they'll throw a hissy fit over this!!!

    Cries of #FAKE NEWS and Bogus! will be thrown around in
    response to this shocking revelation.

    Not that they could find an exact placement for Jo Martin's
    Doctor anyway... it is much easier to just say the show
    ended in 2017 to avoid having to deal with such stuff.

    But .... Hang on ..... Didn't JoDoctor come along several
    Gazillion regenerations after The Timeless Child (Sorry,
    I HAD to mention 'her'!!)??

    In 'their' mind... IF Doctor Who finished in 2017 then anything
    created after that (i.e. during the Chris Chibnall era) doesn't
    exist.

    For them, Peter Capaldi is still the Doctor and they are just
    waiting for the 12th Doctor to step out of the shower...

    Crapaldi stepping out of the shower is something nobody *never* wants
    to see. :-p

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Your Name on Sun Feb 2 10:56:49 2025
    On 2025-02-01 20:54:22 +0000, Your Name said:

    On 2025-02-01 13:17:25 +0000, Blueshirt said:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    On 31/01/2025 6:53 pm, Blueshirt wrote:

    Oh no... now you've gone and done it!

    The "there are no pre-Hartnell Doctors" brigade could wave
    away the Morbius 'Doctors' - mainly thanks to Terrance Dicks
    - but they'll throw a hissy fit over this!!!

    Cries of #FAKE NEWS and Bogus! will be thrown around in
    response to this shocking revelation.

    Not that they could find an exact placement for Jo Martin's
    Doctor anyway... it is much easier to just say the show
    ended in 2017 to avoid having to deal with such stuff.

    But .... Hang on ..... Didn't JoDoctor come along several
    Gazillion regenerations after The Timeless Child (Sorry,
    I HAD to mention 'her'!!)??

    In 'their' mind... IF Doctor Who finished in 2017 then anything
    created after that (i.e. during the Chris Chibnall era) doesn't
    exist.

    For them, Peter Capaldi is still the Doctor and they are just
    waiting for the 12th Doctor to step out of the shower...

    Crapaldi stepping out of the shower is something nobody *never* wants
    to see. :-p

    Damn typos!! That was meant to say "nobody *ever* wants to see". :-\

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to YourName@YourISP.com on Sun Feb 2 01:48:54 2025
    In article <vnm1lt$9c0o$1@dont-email.me>,
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2025-02-01 13:17:25 +0000, Blueshirt said:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    On 31/01/2025 6:53 pm, Blueshirt wrote:

    Oh no... now you've gone and done it!

    The "there are no pre-Hartnell Doctors" brigade could wave
    away the Morbius 'Doctors' - mainly thanks to Terrance Dicks
    - but they'll throw a hissy fit over this!!!

    Cries of #FAKE NEWS and Bogus! will be thrown around in
    response to this shocking revelation.

    Not that they could find an exact placement for Jo Martin's
    Doctor anyway... it is much easier to just say the show
    ended in 2017 to avoid having to deal with such stuff.

    But .... Hang on ..... Didn't JoDoctor come along several
    Gazillion regenerations after The Timeless Child (Sorry,
    I HAD to mention 'her'!!)??

    In 'their' mind... IF Doctor Who finished in 2017 then anything
    created after that (i.e. during the Chris Chibnall era) doesn't
    exist.

    For them, Peter Capaldi is still the Doctor and they are just
    waiting for the 12th Doctor to step out of the shower...

    Crapaldi stepping out of the shower is something nobody *never* wants
    to see. :-p



    IYIO!
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to YourName@YourISP.com on Sun Feb 2 01:49:19 2025
    In article <vnm5b1$a0je$1@dont-email.me>,
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2025-02-01 20:54:22 +0000, Your Name said:

    On 2025-02-01 13:17:25 +0000, Blueshirt said:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    On 31/01/2025 6:53 pm, Blueshirt wrote:

    Oh no... now you've gone and done it!

    The "there are no pre-Hartnell Doctors" brigade could wave
    away the Morbius 'Doctors' - mainly thanks to Terrance Dicks
    - but they'll throw a hissy fit over this!!!

    Cries of #FAKE NEWS and Bogus! will be thrown around in
    response to this shocking revelation.

    Not that they could find an exact placement for Jo Martin's
    Doctor anyway... it is much easier to just say the show
    ended in 2017 to avoid having to deal with such stuff.

    But .... Hang on ..... Didn't JoDoctor come along several
    Gazillion regenerations after The Timeless Child (Sorry,
    I HAD to mention 'her'!!)??

    In 'their' mind... IF Doctor Who finished in 2017 then anything
    created after that (i.e. during the Chris Chibnall era) doesn't
    exist.

    For them, Peter Capaldi is still the Doctor and they are just
    waiting for the 12th Doctor to step out of the shower...

    Crapaldi stepping out of the shower is something nobody *never* wants
    to see. :-p

    Damn typos!! That was meant to say "nobody *ever* wants to see". :-\


    IYIO.
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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Your Name on Sun Feb 2 11:46:54 2025
    Your Name wrote:

    On 2025-02-01 20:54:22 +0000, Your Name said:

    On 2025-02-01 13:17:25 +0000, Blueshirt said:

    In 'their' mind... IF Doctor Who finished in 2017 then
    anything created after that (i.e. during the Chris
    Chibnall era) doesn't exist.

    For them, Peter Capaldi is still the Doctor and they are
    just waiting for the 12th Doctor to step out of the
    shower...

    Crapaldi stepping out of the shower is something nobody
    never wants to see. :-p

    Damn typos!! That was meant to say "nobody ever wants to see".
    :-\

    Typos that are real words and get through the spell-checker are
    annoying... it happens to me all the time.

    I'd proof read my posts more carefully before I hit send but
    then I'd only put Daniel out of work!!! ;-)

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Sun Feb 2 12:27:26 2025
    In article <xn0p1kogh74mcg9004@post.eweka.nl>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    Your Name wrote:

    On 2025-02-01 20:54:22 +0000, Your Name said:

    On 2025-02-01 13:17:25 +0000, Blueshirt said:

    In 'their' mind... IF Doctor Who finished in 2017 then
    anything created after that (i.e. during the Chris
    Chibnall era) doesn't exist.

    For them, Peter Capaldi is still the Doctor and they are
    just waiting for the 12th Doctor to step out of the
    shower...

    Crapaldi stepping out of the shower is something nobody
    never wants to see. :-p

    Damn typos!! That was meant to say "nobody ever wants to see".
    :-\

    Typos that are real words and get through the spell-checker are
    annoying... it happens to me all the time.

    I'd proof read my posts more carefully before I hit send but
    then I'd only put Daniel out of work!!! ;-)

    Exactly what I try.
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