It is plain to see that Dr Who is on a downward spiral, dying a slow
death in front of our very eyes. Is the man that gave life to Dr Who
twenty years ago also responsible for the death of Dr Who or can we
point the finger at society in general and changing viewer habits?
It is plain to see that Dr Who is on a downward spiral, dying a slow
death in front of our very eyes. Is the man that gave life to Dr Who
twenty years ago also responsible for the death of Dr Who or can we
point the finger at society in general and changing viewer habits?
--
https://www.theory11.com/
On 19/04/2025 8:46 pm, Theory11 wrote:
It is plain to see that Dr Who is on a downward spiral, dying a slowOr might it be that 'we' were just sooooo happy to seen 'Doctor Who'
death in front of our very eyes. Is the man that gave life to Dr Who
twenty years ago also responsible for the death of Dr Who or can we
point the finger at society in general and changing viewer habits?
(any 'Doctor Who') back that we watched what was really garbage, and
'we' accepted it??
--
Daniel70
It is plain to see that Dr Who is on a downward spiral, dying
a slow death in front of our very eyes. Is the man that gave
life to Dr Who twenty years ago also responsible for the death
of Dr Who or can we point the finger at society in general and
changing viewer habits?
In article <vu059q$1erc7$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
Or might it be that 'we' were just sooooo happy to seen
'Doctor Who' (any 'Doctor Who') back that we watched what
was really garbage, and 'we' accepted it??
RTD is out of ideas.
RTD has his ideas and - right or wrong - he will stick to them no
matter what complaints the fans or YouTube agitators make...
Ultimately if the show doesn't get enough people viewing it on
BBC1/Disney+ it will die... if people don't like modern "Doctor
Who" switch it off and let nature take it's course.
In article <9ffc42beb75201986df674c8973032f6@www.novabbs.com>,
Theory11 <card.master@bee92.invalid.com> wrote:
It is plain to see that Dr Who is on a downward spiral,
dying a slow death in front of our very eyes. Is the man
that gave life to Dr Who twenty years ago also responsible
for the death of Dr Who or can we point the finger at
society in general and changing viewer habits?
For 2 reasons
A) The Timeless Child needs to be retconned!
B) RTD is not coming up with a new formula.
Theory11 wrote:
It is plain to see that Dr Who is on a downward spiral, dying
a slow death in front of our very eyes. Is the man that gave
life to Dr Who twenty years ago also responsible for the death
of Dr Who or can we point the finger at society in general and
changing viewer habits?
Pre-"Lux" my take is that expectation is killing "Doctor Who".
Just as the natural course of life for humans means death, TV
shows cannot go on forever either. How does any showrunner keep
the show fresh in 2025?
RTD is not perfect, and he'd probably accept that himself... but
he is not a miracle maker either. Fans were unhappy with "Doctor
Who" long before he returned to the show, or Disney's
partnership with the BBC even.
No TV show could live up to the expectation that the long term
fans put on the show. Every fan wants it to be a TV show made to
suit them and that's not possible, no matter who the Executive
Producer of the show is. It's quite possible that "Doctor Who"
just needs a rest like it did in 1989?
The Doctor wrote:
In article <vu059q$1erc7$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
Or might it be that 'we' were just sooooo happy to seen
'Doctor Who' (any 'Doctor Who') back that we watched what
was really garbage, and 'we' accepted it??
RTD is out of ideas.
RTD has his ideas and - right or wrong - he will stick to them no
matter what complaints the fans or YouTube agitators make...
Ultimately if the show doesn't get enough people viewing it on
BBC1/Disney+ it will die... if people don't like modern "Doctor
Who" switch it off and let nature take it's course.
On 4/19/2025 08:23, Blueshirt wrote:
RTD has his ideas and - right or wrong - he will stick to them no
matter what complaints the fans or YouTube agitators make...
And that would get RTD a pyrrhic victory at best.
Reminds me of the occasional county fair(s) where a radio station runs a >promotion where someone can win a brand new car. The catch is the >contestants have to put their hand on the car, and if they remove their
hand, they lose. So the contest starts with 10-15 people putting their
hand on the car in hopes of being the last one to remove their hand.
The car has been sitting in the hot sun all day, and the metal is
scorching hot. People will put their hand on the car in spite of the
intense heat of the metal, and keep it there, because "I got to win me a
new car"....all the time the flesh on their hand is burning.
Ultimately if the show doesn't get enough people viewing it on
BBC1/Disney+ it will die... if people don't like modern "Doctor
Who" switch it off and let nature take it's course.
Agreed.
--
Intelligence is no guarantee against being dead wrong.
--Carl Sagan
The Doctor wrote:
In article <9ffc42beb75201986df674c8973032f6@www.novabbs.com>,
Theory11 <card.master@bee92.invalid.com> wrote:
It is plain to see that Dr Who is on a downward spiral,
dying a slow death in front of our very eyes. Is the man
that gave life to Dr Who twenty years ago also responsible
for the death of Dr Who or can we point the finger at
society in general and changing viewer habits?
For 2 reasons
A) The Timeless Child needs to be retconned!
At a guess, the majority of people watching "Doctor Who" don't
give a damn about the Timeless Child and a lot of those that it
did bother have stopped watching.
B) RTD is not coming up with a new formula.
What new formula would you like to see Dave... beyond retconning
the Timeless Child obviously?
In article <sONMP.1433035$dBr6.587948@fx04.ams4>,
Hornplayer9599 <Hornplayer9599@aol.com> wrote:
On 4/19/2025 08:23, Blueshirt wrote:
RTD has his ideas and - right or wrong - he will stick to them no
matter what complaints the fans or YouTube agitators make...
And that would get RTD a pyrrhic victory at best.
Reminds me of the occasional county fair(s) where a radio station runs a
promotion where someone can win a brand new car. The catch is the
contestants have to put their hand on the car, and if they remove their
hand, they lose. So the contest starts with 10-15 people putting their
hand on the car in hopes of being the last one to remove their hand.
The car has been sitting in the hot sun all day, and the metal is
scorching hot. People will put their hand on the car in spite of the
intense heat of the metal, and keep it there, because "I got to win me a
new car"....all the time the flesh on their hand is burning.
Ultimately if the show doesn't get enough people viewing it on
BBC1/Disney+ it will die... if people don't like modern "Doctor
Who" switch it off and let nature take it's course.
Agreed.
New showrunner without RTD connectionis.
--
Intelligence is no guarantee against being dead wrong.
--Carl Sagan
On 4/19/2025 09:48, The Doctor wrote:
In article <sONMP.1433035$dBr6.587948@fx04.ams4>,
Hornplayer9599 <Hornplayer9599@aol.com> wrote:
On 4/19/2025 08:23, Blueshirt wrote:
RTD has his ideas and - right or wrong - he will stick to them no
matter what complaints the fans or YouTube agitators make...
And that would get RTD a pyrrhic victory at best.
Reminds me of the occasional county fair(s) where a radio station runs a >>> promotion where someone can win a brand new car. The catch is the
contestants have to put their hand on the car, and if they remove their
hand, they lose. So the contest starts with 10-15 people putting their
hand on the car in hopes of being the last one to remove their hand.
The car has been sitting in the hot sun all day, and the metal is
scorching hot. People will put their hand on the car in spite of the
intense heat of the metal, and keep it there, because "I got to win me a >>> new car"....all the time the flesh on their hand is burning.
Ultimately if the show doesn't get enough people viewing it on
BBC1/Disney+ it will die... if people don't like modern "Doctor
Who" switch it off and let nature take it's course.
Agreed.
New showrunner without RTD connectionis.
Sadly at this point I think only a Barry Letts type of showrunner can >help...and I don't see many people of that type lining up to take a
crack at it.
--
Intelligence is no guarantee against being dead wrong.
--Carl Sagan
--
Intelligence is no guarantee against being dead wrong.
--Carl Sagan
In article <xn0p4qla386wezf002@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
A) The Timeless Child needs to be retconned!
At a guess, the majority of people watching "Doctor Who"
don't give a damn about the Timeless Child and a lot of
those that it did bother have stopped watching.
B) RTD is not coming up with a new formula.
What new formula would you like to see Dave... beyond
retconning the Timeless Child obviously?
That could bring back Gallifrey and the TimeLords.
It is plain to see that Dr Who is on a downward spiral, dying a slow
death in front of our very eyes. Is the man that gave life to Dr Who
twenty years ago also responsible for the death of Dr Who or can we
point the finger at society in general and changing viewer habits?
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0p4qla386wezf002@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
A) The Timeless Child needs to be retconned!
At a guess, the majority of people watching "Doctor Who"
don't give a damn about the Timeless Child and a lot of
those that it did bother have stopped watching.
B) RTD is not coming up with a new formula.
What new formula would you like to see Dave... beyond
retconning the Timeless Child obviously?
That could bring back Gallifrey and the TimeLords.
I think Mrs Flood is a Time Lord. Does that count?
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0p4qkjv85ufi9002@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Ultimately if the show doesn't get enough people viewing it
on BBC1/Disney+ it will die... if people don't like modern
"Doctor Who" switch it off and let nature take it's course.
Get someone with fresh ideas, Maybe AGA and SP to be
co-showrunners!
I reckon the "RADW Sensibles" triumvirate of SP, Mike and Horny
would do a better job...
On 19/04/2025 11:46, Theory11 wrote:
It is plain to see that Dr Who is on a downward spiral, dying a slowIt's woke degeneracy that is responsible for destroying the show because
death in front of our very eyes. Is the man that gave life to Dr Who
twenty years ago also responsible for the death of Dr Who or can we
point the finger at society in general and changing viewer habits?
a bunch or mentally sick retards want to signal their fake virtue to the >audience and denounce them as being sexists, racists, and bigots, while
it's these sick perverted retards who are the real sexists, racists, and >bigots continue practising their discussing perversions.
Everyone knows what these degenerates are really like. The can think of >nothing except sex and how to abuse others, as exemplified by the incel >Russell T Davies himself who abused and humiliated the cast and crew on
the show in 2005, not listening to any of their concerned and
suggestions and causing Christopher Eccleston to quit. This degenerate
incel pervert pretends to send out a message against racism and yet race >swaps the historical figure Isaac Newton so he can give one of his gay >friends a cameo on the show. The racist pretends to virtue signal by
casting an Indian actress to play the companion who is called Belinda,
which is not even an Indian name because the pervert wrote the character
as white British and gave her a white British name.
Viewers have had enough of being directly attacked, demeaned, and
insulted by these disgusting people running the entertainment industry, >blaming everything on them instead of taking responsibility for the >industry's own depravity which they themselves are responsible for.
Viewers have also had enough of these perverts trying to sexually groom
their children. Perverts who work for an organisation that protected
child molesters like Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris, and choses to
represent itself with a stature created by a self admitted child
molester which it has placed in a protective glass box about the front
door of its London HQ instead of taking it down.
These perverts instead of creating positive role-models for people to
follow love to create fake negative derogatory stereotypes from their
own imaginations which are actually representations of their own
behaviour and use them to attack men and masculinity because they
themselves are gay and involuntarily celibate. These predatory incels
can't portray a loving relationship between a man and a woman, but
instead love portraying misogyny, because that's what represents them
and their own behaviour towards women.
They latch onto false narratives created by a minority of hate filled >far-left activists and propagate them as if they were factually based,
which they are not. You see the lie of the patriarchy being perpetuated
which is no different to the lies propagated by the Nazis against the
Jews and big business.
Men are deliberately demeaned, belittled, portrayed as week,
incompetent, effeminate, and unheroic. No positive role models for men
and boys are allowed to be shown because this would take away women's
agency from them. Instead women are portrayed in positions of power and >authority normally held by men and show in the most unfeminine manner.
Why would anyone want to watch this woke garbage which doesn't represent >either them or anyone they know? That's what viewing habits are
changing. Everyone has had enough of it.
It isn't real society which these perverts are portraying. It's their
own elitist circle that thinks and behaves in they way they describe.
They are the pigs on Animal Farm who are the complete opposite of
everything they claim to stand for.
It's time to put an end to this woke degeneracy and go back to
traditional family values, where the man is the father figure, the
masculine heroic role model, the bread winner, and the head of the
household and heterosexual, always respectful towards women, loving and >cherishing them, and the women is the mother, the provider of care, the >feminine role model, and the person who brings up the children, suckling
and feeding them until they are old enough to be taught by their father
in the ways of life and how to survive by themselves.
The entertainment industry must put end to this woke degeneracy now and
root out people like Russell T Davies, Chris Chibnall, and Steven Moffat
and they degenerate soap opera hacks that have destroyed Doctor Who by
making it about social issues instead of escapist entertainment where
they can leave their ordinary lives behind and be immerse in new worlds, >scientific ideas, and philosophy, logic, and reason, not meaningless and >irrational sentiment and emotion.
--
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." -William Shatner
In article <xn0p4qpay8cak58002@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
Get someone with fresh ideas, Maybe AGA and SP to be
co-showrunners!
I reckon the "RADW Sensibles" triumvirate of SP, Mike and
Horny would do a better job...
Sounds like that might not work. We want Retcon the Timeless
child!
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0p4qpay8cak58002@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
Get someone with fresh ideas, Maybe AGA and SP to be
co-showrunners!
I reckon the "RADW Sensibles" triumvirate of SP, Mike and
Horny would do a better job...
Sounds like that might not work. We want Retcon the Timeless
child!
The RADW Triumvirate will decide...
I'm sure they would concentrate on telling good stories and not
pandering to every Tom, Dick and Harry though... if the BBC were
wise enough to give them the job of course.
In article <xn0p4qkaa85gleu000@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
No TV show could live up to the expectation that the long term
fans put on the show. Every fan wants it to be a TV show made to
suit them and that's not possible, no matter who the Executive
Producer of the show is. It's quite possible that "Doctor Who"
just needs a rest like it did in 1989?
1989 was Jonathan Powell being out of touch with the audience.
2025 is RTD is out of touch with the audience.
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0p4qkjv85ufi9002@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Ultimately if the show doesn't get enough people viewing it
on BBC1/Disney+ it will die... if people don't like modern
"Doctor Who" switch it off and let nature take it's course.
Get someone with fresh ideas, Maybe AGA and SP to be
co-showrunners!
I reckon the "RADW Sensibles" triumvirate of SP, Mike and Horny
would do a better job...
On 20/04/2025 2:21 am, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
Get someone with fresh ideas, Maybe AGA and SP to be
co-showrunners!
I reckon the "RADW Sensibles" triumvirate of SP, Mike and
Horny would do a better job...
;-) You Bastard!! ;-) Fancy leaving ME off that list .....
even IF I've seen bugger all of DisneyWho! ;-)
Daniel70 wrote:
On 20/04/2025 2:21 am, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:;-) You Bastard!! ;-) Fancy leaving ME off that list .....
Get someone with fresh ideas, Maybe AGA and SP to be
co-showrunners!
I reckon the "RADW Sensibles" triumvirate of SP, Mike and
Horny would do a better job...
even IF I've seen bugger all of DisneyWho! ;-)
You could be the BBC1 controller and your job would be to
commission murder mystery drama shows... Agatha Christie
adaptations especially!
On 20/04/2025 12:39 am, The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0p4qkaa85gleu000@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
<Snip>
Every Day of Every Year is The Doctor being out of touch with *REALITY* !No TV show could live up to the expectation that the long term
fans put on the show. Every fan wants it to be a TV show made to
suit them and that's not possible, no matter who the Executive
Producer of the show is. It's quite possible that "Doctor Who"
just needs a rest like it did in 1989?
1989 was Jonathan Powell being out of touch with the audience.
2025 is RTD is out of touch with the audience.
--
Daniel70
On 20/04/2025 2:21 am, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:;-) You Bastard!! ;-) Fancy leaving *ME* off that list ..... even *IF*
In article <xn0p4qkjv85ufi9002@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Ultimately if the show doesn't get enough people viewing it
on BBC1/Disney+ it will die... if people don't like modern
"Doctor Who" switch it off and let nature take it's course.
Get someone with fresh ideas, Maybe AGA and SP to be
co-showrunners!
I reckon the "RADW Sensibles" triumvirate of SP, Mike and Horny
would do a better job...
I've seen bugger all of DisneyWho! ;-)
--
Daniel70
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0p4qkjv85ufi9002@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Ultimately if the show doesn't get enough people viewing it
on BBC1/Disney+ it will die... if people don't like modern
"Doctor Who" switch it off and let nature take it's course.
Get someone with fresh ideas, Maybe AGA and SP to be
co-showrunners!
I reckon the "RADW Sensibles" triumvirate of SP, Mike and Horny
would do a better job...
Sensible? Me? No, I’m only sensible compared to Yads and Aggy.
In any other group I’d be the weird one!
--
solar penguin
On 20/04/2025 8:54 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:Sounds fair. What's my Wage/Salary gunna be??
On 20/04/2025 2:21 am, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:;-) You Bastard!! ;-) Fancy leaving ME off that list .....
Get someone with fresh ideas, Maybe AGA and SP to be
co-showrunners!
I reckon the "RADW Sensibles" triumvirate of SP, Mike and
Horny would do a better job...
even IF I've seen bugger all of DisneyWho! ;-)
You could be the BBC1 controller and your job would be to
commission murder mystery drama shows... Agatha Christie
adaptations especially!
--
Daniel70
In article <vu2nfa$3o69f$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 20/04/2025 8:54 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:Sounds fair. What's my Wage/Salary gunna be??
On 20/04/2025 2:21 am, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:;-) You Bastard!! ;-) Fancy leaving ME off that list .....
Get someone with fresh ideas, Maybe AGA and SP to be
co-showrunners!
I reckon the "RADW Sensibles" triumvirate of SP, Mike and
Horny would do a better job...
even IF I've seen bugger all of DisneyWho! ;-)
You could be the BBC1 controller and your job would be to
commission murder mystery drama shows... Agatha Christie
adaptations especially!
He is too far away.
On 20/04/2025 10:04 pm, The Doctor wrote:^^^^^<-PAedophile talker noted
In article <vu2nfa$3o69f$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 20/04/2025 8:54 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:Sounds fair. What's my Wage/Salary gunna be??
On 20/04/2025 2:21 am, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:;-) You Bastard!! ;-) Fancy leaving ME off that list .....
Get someone with fresh ideas, Maybe AGA and SP to be
co-showrunners!
I reckon the "RADW Sensibles" triumvirate of SP, Mike and
Horny would do a better job...
even IF I've seen bugger all of DisneyWho! ;-)
You could be the BBC1 controller and your job would be to
commission murder mystery drama shows... Agatha Christie
adaptations especially!
He is too far away.
WHAT?? Doesn't NotKnow handle long distance communications, Binky??
YOU know, Binky, there's this newish thing called THE INTERNET, Binky!!^^^^^<-Paedophile talker noted ^^^^^<-Paedophile talker noted
--
Daniel70
In article <vu2il8$3ka4n$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 20/04/2025 2:21 am, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:;-) You Bastard!! ;-) Fancy leaving *ME* off that list ..... even *IF*
In article <xn0p4qkjv85ufi9002@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Ultimately if the show doesn't get enough people viewing it
on BBC1/Disney+ it will die... if people don't like modern
"Doctor Who" switch it off and let nature take it's course.
Get someone with fresh ideas, Maybe AGA and SP to be
co-showrunners!
I reckon the "RADW Sensibles" triumvirate of SP, Mike and Horny
would do a better job...
I've seen bugger all of DisneyWho! ;-)
You are not even in the UK!
On 20/04/2025 10:00 pm, The Doctor wrote:vvvvv<-Paedophile talker noted!
In article <vu2il8$3ka4n$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 20/04/2025 2:21 am, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:;-) You Bastard!! ;-) Fancy leaving *ME* off that list ..... even *IF*
In article <xn0p4qkjv85ufi9002@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Ultimately if the show doesn't get enough people viewing it
on BBC1/Disney+ it will die... if people don't like modern
"Doctor Who" switch it off and let nature take it's course.
Get someone with fresh ideas, Maybe AGA and SP to be
co-showrunners!
I reckon the "RADW Sensibles" triumvirate of SP, Mike and Horny
would do a better job...
I've seen bugger all of DisneyWho! ;-)
You are not even in the UK!
Well done, Binky!! Neither are YOU, Binky!^^^^^<-Paedophile talker noted!
--
Daniel70
Theory11 wrote:
It is plain to see that Dr Who is on a downward spiral, dying
a slow death in front of our very eyes. Is the man that gave
life to Dr Who twenty years ago also responsible for the death
of Dr Who or can we point the finger at society in general and
changing viewer habits?
Pre-"Lux" my take is that expectation is killing "Doctor Who".
Just as the natural course of life for humans means death, TV
shows cannot go on forever either. How does any showrunner keep
the show fresh in 2025?
RTD is not perfect, and he'd probably accept that himself... but
he is not a miracle maker either. Fans were unhappy with "Doctor
Who" long before he returned to the show, or Disney's
partnership with the BBC even.
No TV show could live up to the expectation that the long term
fans put on the show. Every fan wants it to be a TV show made to
suit them and that's not possible, no matter who the Executive
Producer of the show is. It's quite possible that "Doctor Who"
just needs a rest like it did in 1989?
Binky bleated:^^^^^<-Paedophile talker noted!
In article <vu2nc0$3oevq$1@dont-email.me>,
solar penguin <solar.penguin@gmail.com> wrote:
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
Get someone with fresh ideas, Maybe AGA and SP to be
co-showrunners!
I reckon the "RADW Sensibles" triumvirate of SP, Mike and Horny
would do a better job...
Sensible? Me? No, I’m only sensible compared to Yads and Aggy.
In any other group I’d be the weird one!
I still say you and AGA can be DW showrunners retconning the Timeless
Child out forever!
But I wouldn’t to retcon out the Timeless Child forever.
Don’t get me wrong, I think it was a very disappointing storyline
but if I stopped to retcon out every disappointing storyline DW
has ever had, I wouldn’t have time to do anything else!
No, leave them alone and just move on to something better instead.
The die is cast. The moving finger writes and having writ, moves on.
Other pretentious literary quotations. You get the idea.
OTOH if I absolutely had to retcon away the Timeless child, I would
do it in a way that had serious consequences that moved the
story forward.
Something like this:
“Previously on Doctor Who.”
Clips from “Survivors of the Flux”. Awsok showing the Doctor the
fob watch. Swarm vaporising her.
Cut to:
Interior. The Master’s TARDIS.
A transmat beam or possibly a time scoop or something like
that deposits Awsok on the console room floor. The Master is
there, of course, along with the so-called Fugitive Doctor. They’re
clearly all in this together. Whatever “this” is.
AWSOK: “Thank you. For a moment there, I thought you were
really going to let your alien friends kill me.
MASTER (giggles): “Oh, it was tempting. After all, you do know too much.”
Awsok and the Fugitive roll their eyes at his cliché.
FUGITIVE: “But then I persuaded him that just makes you another
person he can monologue to.”
AWSOK: “He’s in a talkative mood again?”
FUGITIVE: “Yeah. While you were gone, he’s been on and on
about how clever he is, coming up with the plan, tricking the
Doctor into thinking I’m her, making her believe all that Timeless
Child nonsense, yadda-yadda-yaddah.”
MASTER: “I am still here you know, ladies. Don’t forget, when
I saved you from the destruction of Gallifrey, it was on condition
that you work for me. And that means we do things my way.”
FUGITIVE: “Monologues and all.”
MASTER: “Of course.” (to Awsok) “Talking of work, did you show the Doctor
the watch?”
AWSOK: “Yes.”
MASTER (giggles): “Perfect. Now she’ll take it, and it’s only
a matter of time before curiosity gets the better of her. Then
when she looks inside, SNAP, the trap is sprung!”
AWSOK: “I always said you’d get dizzy if you tried to walk in a
straight line, but even by your standards, this plan is crazy.”
MASTER: “I’m just playing the long game. And it’s bound to
work. What else is she going to do? Drop the watch into the
TARDIS console where she can’t reach it?”
Cut to clip from “The Vanquishers.” The Doctor dropping the
watch into the TARDIS console where she can’t reach it.
Extend this with a new sequence showing the watch lid being
knocked slightly ajar as it lands in the console circuitry. Wisps of
energy slowly seep out from the crack. Not the usual chameleon arch
biodata energy. There’s something different about this. Something
wrong. Not finding the Doctor, the energy starts to infect the
TARDIS instead.
Well, there you go. That’s a rough first draft anyway. It needs
a lot of rewriting, preferably by someone who actually cares about
this. But the potential is there.
(And yes, that “straight line” comment was intended suggest Awsok
was really the Rani. Who better to play an amoral Time Lord
scientist than another amoral Time Lord scientist?)
--
solar penguin
On 19/04/2025 14:16, Blueshirt wrote:
Theory11 wrote:
It is plain to see that Dr Who is on a downward spiral, dying
a slow death in front of our very eyes. Is the man that gave
life to Dr Who twenty years ago also responsible for the death
of Dr Who or can we point the finger at society in general and
changing viewer habits?
Pre-"Lux" my take is that expectation is killing "Doctor Who".
Just as the natural course of life for humans means death, TV
shows cannot go on forever either. How does any showrunner keep
the show fresh in 2025?
RTD is not perfect, and he'd probably accept that himself... but
he is not a miracle maker either. Fans were unhappy with "Doctor
Who" long before he returned to the show, or Disney's
partnership with the BBC even.
No TV show could live up to the expectation that the long term
fans put on the show. Every fan wants it to be a TV show made to
suit them and that's not possible, no matter who the Executive
Producer of the show is. It's quite possible that "Doctor Who"
just needs a rest like it did in 1989?
I would have written a long reply to this by the reviewer in this
article almost hit the nail square on the head until he started praising >Gatwa for luring his young fans to a creaky show by acting, dressing,
and behaving like a sex starved pervert, and that's why people aren't >watching or letting their children watch the show any more. Can't these
fools see what they are encouraging?
https://thecritic.co.uk/the-end-of-doctor-who/
--
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." -William Shatner
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0p4qkjv85ufi9002@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Ultimately if the show doesn't get enough people viewing it
on BBC1/Disney+ it will die... if people don't like modern
"Doctor Who" switch it off and let nature take it's course.
Get someone with fresh ideas, Maybe AGA and SP to be
co-showrunners!
I reckon the "RADW Sensibles" triumvirate of SP, Mike and
Horny would do a better job...
Sensible? Me? No, I’m only sensible compared to Yads and Aggy.
In any other group I’d be the weird one!
On 20/04/2025 8:54 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 20/04/2025 2:21 am, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
Get someone with fresh ideas, Maybe AGA and SP to be
co-showrunners!
I reckon the "RADW Sensibles" triumvirate of SP, Mike and
Horny would do a better job...
;-) You Bastard!! ;-) Fancy leaving ME off that list .....
even IF I've seen bugger all of DisneyWho! ;-)
You could be the BBC1 controller and your job would be to
commission murder mystery drama shows... Agatha Christie
adaptations especially!
Sounds fair. What's my Wage/Salary gunna be??
solar penguin wrote:
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0p4qkjv85ufi9002@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Ultimately if the show doesn't get enough people viewing it
on BBC1/Disney+ it will die... if people don't like modern
"Doctor Who" switch it off and let nature take it's course.
Get someone with fresh ideas, Maybe AGA and SP to be
co-showrunners!
I reckon the "RADW Sensibles" triumvirate of SP, Mike and
Horny would do a better job...
Sensible? Me? No, I’m only sensible compared to Yads and Aggy.
Everything is relative in RADW Land...
In any other group I’d be the weird one!
That probably applies to all of us!
Maybe that's why we choose to hang here... we come across as
quite sane compared to some?!
:-)
Daniel70 wrote:
On 20/04/2025 8:54 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:Sounds fair. What's my Wage/Salary gunna be??
On 20/04/2025 2:21 am, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:;-) You Bastard!! ;-) Fancy leaving ME off that list .....
Get someone with fresh ideas, Maybe AGA and SP to be
co-showrunners!
I reckon the "RADW Sensibles" triumvirate of SP, Mike and
Horny would do a better job...
even IF I've seen bugger all of DisneyWho! ;-)
You could be the BBC1 controller and your job would be to
commission murder mystery drama shows... Agatha Christie
adaptations especially!
It's a voluntary position... your reward will be to see quality
crime drama reach the TV screen.
Daniel70 wrote:
On 20/04/2025 8:54 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:Sounds fair. What's my Wage/Salary gunna be??
On 20/04/2025 2:21 am, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:;-) You Bastard!! ;-) Fancy leaving ME off that list .....
Get someone with fresh ideas, Maybe AGA and SP to be
co-showrunners!
I reckon the "RADW Sensibles" triumvirate of SP, Mike and
Horny would do a better job...
even IF I've seen bugger all of DisneyWho! ;-)
You could be the BBC1 controller and your job would be to
commission murder mystery drama shows... Agatha Christie
adaptations especially!
It's a voluntary position... your reward will be to see quality
crime drama reach the TV screen.
On 21/04/2025 6:43 am, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 20/04/2025 8:54 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
You could be the BBC1 controller and your job would be to
commission murder mystery drama shows... Agatha Christie
adaptations especially!
Sounds fair. What's my Wage/Salary gunna be??
It's a voluntary position... your reward will be to see
quality crime drama reach the TV screen.
AH!! So Vera Repeats!! Morse repeats. Shakespear and Hathaway
repeats. Midsomer Murders repeats.
Job Done .... just send me my cheques!!
Daniel70 wrote:
On 21/04/2025 6:43 am, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 20/04/2025 8:54 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Sounds fair. What's my Wage/Salary gunna be??
You could be the BBC1 controller and your job would be to
commission murder mystery drama shows... Agatha Christie
adaptations especially!
It's a voluntary position... your reward will be to see
quality crime drama reach the TV screen.
AH!! So Vera Repeats!! Morse repeats. Shakespear and Hathaway
repeats. Midsomer Murders repeats.
Morse could do with a reboot alright;
John Thaw has been dead over twenty years! A new series of those
adaptations would be worth commissioning.
Midsomer Murders with John Nettles (The REAL Inspector
Barnaby!) should be on permanent repeat cycle...
Whilst Shakespeare & Hathaway wouldn't be my idea of a quality
crime show... it's more of a comedy crime drama.
Job Done .... just send me my cheques!!
What part of voluntary did you not get?
Daniel70 wrote:
On 21/04/2025 6:43 am, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 20/04/2025 8:54 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Sounds fair. What's my Wage/Salary gunna be??
You could be the BBC1 controller and your job would be to
commission murder mystery drama shows... Agatha Christie
adaptations especially!
It's a voluntary position... your reward will be to see
quality crime drama reach the TV screen.
AH!! So Vera Repeats!! Morse repeats. Shakespear and Hathaway
repeats. Midsomer Murders repeats.
Morse could do with a reboot alright; John Thaw has been dead
over twenty years! A new series of those adaptations would be
worth commissioning.
Midsomer Murders with John Nettles (The REAL Inspector
Barnaby!) should be on permanent repeat cycle...
Whilst Shakespeare & Hathaway wouldn't be my idea of a quality
crime show... it's more of a comedy crime drama.
Job Done .... just send me my cheques!!
What part of voluntary did you not get?
On 2025-04-21 20:03:37 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 21/04/2025 6:43 am, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 20/04/2025 8:54 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Sounds fair. What's my Wage/Salary gunna be??
You could be the BBC1 controller and your job would be to
commission murder mystery drama shows... Agatha Christie
adaptations especially!
It's a voluntary position... your reward will be to see
quality crime drama reach the TV screen.
AH!! So Vera Repeats!! Morse repeats. Shakespear and Hathaway
repeats. Midsomer Murders repeats.
Morse could do with a reboot alright;
NO! NO! NO! NO! *NO!!!!*
All reboots are awful! They need to stop lazily butchering old shows
and movies, and come up with some actual *new* stuff of their own.
John Thaw has been dead over twenty years! A new series of those
adaptations would be worth commissioning.
Midsomer Murders with John Nettles (The REAL Inspector
Barnaby!) should be on permanent repeat cycle...
Whilst Shakespeare & Hathaway wouldn't be my idea of a quality
crime show... it's more of a comedy crime drama.
Job Done .... just send me my cheques!!
What part of voluntary did you not get?
How about an adaptation of Agatha Christie’s ‘The Mysterious
Mr. Quinn’ with David Tennant playing a very Doctorish
version of the title character. The idea is suggesting that
Christie might’ve based him on her subconscious memory of
meeting the Doctor in ‘The Unicorn and the Wasp.’
Or is that just too meta?
Daniel70 wrote:
On 21/04/2025 6:43 am, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 20/04/2025 8:54 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Sounds fair. What's my Wage/Salary gunna be??
You could be the BBC1 controller and your job would be to
commission murder mystery drama shows... Agatha Christie
adaptations especially!
It's a voluntary position... your reward will be to see
quality crime drama reach the TV screen.
AH!! So Vera Repeats!! Morse repeats. Shakespear and Hathaway
repeats. Midsomer Murders repeats.
Morse could do with a reboot alright; John Thaw has been dead
over twenty years! A new series of those adaptations would be
worth commissioning.
Midsomer Murders with John Nettles (The REAL Inspector
Barnaby!) should be on permanent repeat cycle...
Whilst Shakespeare & Hathaway wouldn't be my idea of a quality
crime show... it's more of a comedy crime drama.
Job Done .... just send me my cheques!!
What part of voluntary did you not get?
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 20/04/2025 8:54 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Sounds fair. What's my Wage/Salary gunna be??
You could be the BBC1 controller and your job would be to
commission murder mystery drama shows... Agatha Christie
adaptations especially!
It's a voluntary position... your reward will be to see quality
crime drama reach the TV screen.
Can I make a request, Daniel?
How about an adaptation of Agatha Christie’s ‘The Mysterious Mr.
Quinn’ with David Tennant playing a very Doctorish version of the
title character. The idea is suggesting that Christie might’ve based
him on her subconscious memory of meeting the Doctor in
‘The Unicorn and the Wasp.’
Or is that just too meta?
On 22/04/2025 6:03 am, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 21/04/2025 6:43 am, Blueshirt wrote:
your reward will be to see quality crime
drama reach the TV screen.
AH!! So Vera Repeats!! Morse repeats. Shakespear and
Hathaway repeats. Midsomer Murders repeats.
Morse could do with a reboot alright; John Thaw has been dead
over twenty years! A new series of those adaptations would be
worth commissioning.
Morse reboot?? Wasn't that, effectively, what 'Lewis' was??
Midsomer Murders with John Nettles (The REAL Inspector
Barnaby!) should be on permanent repeat cycle...
But the cousin had the 'better' Wife!! Not great, but better.
Daniel70 wrote:
On 22/04/2025 6:03 am, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 21/04/2025 6:43 am, Blueshirt wrote:
your reward will be to see quality crime
drama reach the TV screen.
AH!! So Vera Repeats!! Morse repeats. Shakespear and
Hathaway repeats. Midsomer Murders repeats.
Morse could do with a reboot alright; John Thaw has been dead
over twenty years! A new series of those adaptations would be
worth commissioning.
Morse reboot?? Wasn't that, effectively, what 'Lewis' was??
No, I meant more modern adaptations of the Colin Dexter books...
"Lewis" and "Endeavour" were just spin-offs from "Inspector
Morse" using some of the characters. The stories were original
screenplays, not Colin Dexter 'Morse' stories.
Some Agatha Christie books have had multiple television
adaptations, why not Dexter's Inspector Morse?
Midsomer Murders with John Nettles (The REAL Inspector
Barnaby!) should be on permanent repeat cycle...
But the cousin had the 'better' Wife!! Not great, but better.
I preferred the original Barnaby's daughter Cully, to the
wife...
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 20/04/2025 8:54 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Sounds fair. What's my Wage/Salary gunna be??
You could be the BBC1 controller and your job would be to
commission murder mystery drama shows... Agatha Christie
adaptations especially!
It's a voluntary position... your reward will be to see quality
crime drama reach the TV screen.
Can I make a request, Daniel?
How about an adaptation of Agatha Christie’s ‘The Mysterious Mr.
Quinn’ with David Tennant playing a very Doctorish version of the
title character. The idea is suggesting that Christie might’ve based
him on her subconscious memory of meeting the Doctor in
‘The Unicorn and the Wasp.’
Or is that just too meta?
--
solar penguin
solar penguin wrote:
How about an adaptation of Agatha Christie’s ‘The Mysterious
Mr. Quinn’ with David Tennant playing a very Doctorish
version of the title character. The idea is suggesting that
Christie might’ve based him on her subconscious memory of
meeting the Doctor in ‘The Unicorn and the Wasp.’
Or is that just too meta?
After Saturday is anything TOO meta?!
On 22/04/2025 6:03 pm, solar penguin wrote:
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:Christie/Tennant!! Sounds reasonable to me ..... just put that in the >Suggestion Box which would be just inside the Garbage compactor .... er,
Daniel70 wrote:
On 20/04/2025 8:54 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Sounds fair. What's my Wage/Salary gunna be??
You could be the BBC1 controller and your job would be to
commission murder mystery drama shows... Agatha Christie
adaptations especially!
It's a voluntary position... your reward will be to see quality
crime drama reach the TV screen.
Can I make a request, Daniel?
How about an adaptation of Agatha Christie’s ‘The Mysterious Mr.
Quinn’ with David Tennant playing a very Doctorish version of the
title character. The idea is suggesting that Christie might’ve based
him on her subconscious memory of meeting the Doctor in
‘The Unicorn and the Wasp.’
Or is that just too meta?
I mean just inside the Front Door!! ;-P
--
Daniel70
On 22/04/2025 6:03 am, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 21/04/2025 6:43 am, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 20/04/2025 8:54 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Sounds fair. What's my Wage/Salary gunna be??
You could be the BBC1 controller and your job would be to
commission murder mystery drama shows... Agatha Christie
adaptations especially!
It's a voluntary position... your reward will be to see
quality crime drama reach the TV screen.
AH!! So Vera Repeats!! Morse repeats. Shakespear and Hathaway
repeats. Midsomer Murders repeats.
Morse could do with a reboot alright; John Thaw has been dead
over twenty years! A new series of those adaptations would be
worth commissioning.
Morse reboot?? Wasn't that, effectively, what 'Lewis' was??
Midsomer Murders with John Nettles (The REAL Inspector
Barnaby!) should be on permanent repeat cycle...
But the cousin had the 'better' Wife!! Not great, but better.
Whilst Shakespeare & Hathaway wouldn't be my idea of a quality
crime show... it's more of a comedy crime drama.
Concur .... but we all NEED variety in our diets, don't we??
Sorry! I must have missed that word when reading my contract!! ;-(Job Done .... just send me my cheques!!
What part of voluntary did you not get?
--
Daniel70
Daniel70 wrote:
On 22/04/2025 6:03 am, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 21/04/2025 6:43 am, Blueshirt wrote:
your reward will be to see quality crime
drama reach the TV screen.
AH!! So Vera Repeats!! Morse repeats. Shakespear and
Hathaway repeats. Midsomer Murders repeats.
Morse could do with a reboot alright; John Thaw has been dead
over twenty years! A new series of those adaptations would be
worth commissioning.
Morse reboot?? Wasn't that, effectively, what 'Lewis' was??
No, I meant more modern adaptations of the Colin Dexter books...
"Lewis" and "Endeavour" were just spin-offs from "Inspector
Morse" using some of the characters. The stories were original
screenplays, not Colin Dexter 'Morse' stories.
Some Agatha Christie books have had multiple television
adaptations, why not Dexter's Inspector Morse?
Midsomer Murders with John Nettles (The REAL Inspector
Barnaby!) should be on permanent repeat cycle...
But the cousin had the 'better' Wife!! Not great, but better.
I preferred the original Barnaby's daughter Cully, to the
wife...
On 22/04/2025 9:38 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 22/04/2025 6:03 am, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 21/04/2025 6:43 am, Blueshirt wrote:
your reward will be to see quality crime
drama reach the TV screen.
AH!! So Vera Repeats!! Morse repeats. Shakespear and
Hathaway repeats. Midsomer Murders repeats.
Morse could do with a reboot alright; John Thaw has been dead
over twenty years! A new series of those adaptations would be
worth commissioning.
Morse reboot?? Wasn't that, effectively, what 'Lewis' was??
No, I meant more modern adaptations of the Colin Dexter books...
"Lewis" and "Endeavour" were just spin-offs from "Inspector
Morse" using some of the characters. The stories were original
screenplays, not Colin Dexter 'Morse' stories.
Some Agatha Christie books have had multiple television
adaptations, why not Dexter's Inspector Morse?
Midsomer Murders with John Nettles (The REAL Inspector
Barnaby!) should be on permanent repeat cycle...
But the cousin had the 'better' Wife!! Not great, but better.
I preferred the original Barnaby's daughter Cully, to the
wife...
Ah!! Well ..... but when did we ever see her?? Not enough.
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