Mickmane wrote:
On 12.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
We all know who is trailing in last place...
11 of course.
:-)
Well... if it was just the new series Doctors, then yes... it
would be Eleven... mainly because I found the whole Amy (and
Rory) thing tiresome by the end. From sexy kissogram girl to
annoying ginger!
However, if we are including "Doctor Who" as one whole series,
then Eleven escapes the wooden spoon... that goes to the Doctor
than can play the spoons, so it's an apt gift he can make use of.
On 13.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Well... if it was just the new series Doctors, then yes... it
would be Eleven... mainly because I found the whole Amy (and
Rory) thing tiresome by the end. From sexy kissogram girl to
annoying ginger!
I must have missed that while slogging through those seasons.
If we talk companions that turned out like the proverbial
fish/visitors, whatshername, the impossible girl, takes the
lead for me.
However, if we are including "Doctor Who" as one whole
series, then Eleven escapes the wooden spoon... that goes to
the Doctor than can play the spoons, so it's an apt gift he
can make use of.
If I remember people here right, you mean the last of the
series, before the film? That'd be seven, right? I forgot what
you might mean with spoons though. And I thought he was ok.
Better than the first, who kept smiling at tragedies.
Talking instruments (you say play, so I guess it's something
like that) I didn't like the 2nd's (I think it was) flute much.
Twelve's guitar was more like it! :)
On 13.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
On 12.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
We all know who is trailing in last place...
11 of course.
:-)
Well... if it was just the new series Doctors, then yes... it
would be Eleven... mainly because I found the whole Amy (and
Rory) thing tiresome by the end. From sexy kissogram girl to
annoying ginger!
I must have missed that while slogging through those seasons.
If we talk companions that turned out like the proverbial fish/visitors, >whatshername, the impossible girl, takes the lead for me.
However, if we are including "Doctor Who" as one whole series,
then Eleven escapes the wooden spoon... that goes to the Doctor
than can play the spoons, so it's an apt gift he can make use of.
If I remember people here right, you mean the last of the series, before
the film? That'd be seven, right? I forgot what you might mean with
spoons though. And I thought he was ok. Better than the first, who kept >smiling at tragedies.
Talking instruments (you say play, so I guess it's something like that)
I didn't like the 2nd's (I think it was) flute much.
Twelve's guitar was more like it! :)
--
Mickmane
Mickmane wrote:
On 13.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Well... if it was just the new series Doctors, then yes... it
would be Eleven... mainly because I found the whole Amy (and
Rory) thing tiresome by the end. From sexy kissogram girl to
annoying ginger!
I must have missed that while slogging through those seasons.
You could hardly miss Amy! It was kind of all about her and her
crack for a while. Spoilt bitch.
If we talk companions that turned out like the proverbial
fish/visitors, whatshername, the impossible girl, takes the
lead for me.
Clara.
She started off fine. But again, the more a showrunner tries
to add depth to a companion or make them 'special' the more
I lose interest. - And we won't mention her loser boyfriend
Rupert either. (PTSD me bollix!)
However, if we are including "Doctor Who" as one whole
series, then Eleven escapes the wooden spoon... that goes to
the Doctor than can play the spoons, so it's an apt gift he
can make use of.
If I remember people here right, you mean the last of the
series, before the film? That'd be seven, right? I forgot what
you might mean with spoons though. And I thought he was ok.
Better than the first, who kept smiling at tragedies.
Never took to him... or most of his stories. Like most of the
general television viewers back then too!
Talking instruments (you say play, so I guess it's something
like that) I didn't like the 2nd's (I think it was) flute much.
I think the British prefer the term Recorder.
Twelve's guitar was more like it! :)
The 12th Doctor playing a riff on an electric guitar whilst
riding on a tank was ... er, different. I liked it though, and
yeah it was cool. The 12th Doctor was a breath of fresh air
after the dullness of Eleven.
Mickmane wrote:
On 13.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Well... if it was just the new series Doctors, then yes... it
would be Eleven... mainly because I found the whole Amy (and
Rory) thing tiresome by the end. From sexy kissogram girl to
annoying ginger!
I must have missed that while slogging through those seasons.
You could hardly miss Amy! It was kind of all about her and her
crack for a while. Spoilt bitch.
If we talk companions that turned out like the proverbial
fish/visitors, whatshername, the impossible girl, takes the
lead for me.
Clara.
She started off fine. But again, the more a showrunner tries
to add depth to a companion or make them 'special' the more
I lose interest. - And we won't mention her loser boyfriend
Rupert either. (PTSD me bollix!)
Talking instruments (you say play, so I guess it's something
like that) I didn't like the 2nd's (I think it was) flute much.
I think the British prefer the term Recorder.
Twelve's guitar was more like it! :)
The 12th Doctor playing a riff on an electric guitar whilst
riding on a tank was ... er, different.
I liked it though, and yeah it was cool. The 12th Doctor was a breath
of fresh air after the dullness of Eleven.
Mickmane wrote:
Talking instruments (you say play, so I guess it's something
like that) I didn't like the 2nd's (I think it was) flute much.
I think the British prefer the term Recorder.
I think I missed the tank, or forgot it. Wasn't that back in ancient
Rome? How did he get a tank there?
On 14.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
On 13.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Well... if it was just the new series Doctors, then yes... it
would be Eleven... mainly because I found the whole Amy (and
Rory) thing tiresome by the end. From sexy kissogram girl to
annoying ginger!
I must have missed that while slogging through those seasons.
You could hardly miss Amy! It was kind of all about her and her
crack for a while. Spoilt bitch.
Haha. I didn't miss Amy, I missed her turning into a spoiled brat.
If we talk companions that turned out like the proverbial
fish/visitors, whatshername, the impossible girl, takes the
lead for me.
Clara.
Right.
She started off fine. But again, the more a showrunner tries
to add depth to a companion or make them 'special' the more
I lose interest. - And we won't mention her loser boyfriend
Rupert either. (PTSD me bollix!)
I think I forgot Rupert. Sometimes a bad memory is an advantage? :)
Talking instruments (you say play, so I guess it's something
like that) I didn't like the 2nd's (I think it was) flute much.
I think the British prefer the term Recorder.
I haven't been to the UK for decades. Here it's called Floete. Closer to >flute! :)
Twelve's guitar was more like it! :)
The 12th Doctor playing a riff on an electric guitar whilst
riding on a tank was ... er, different.
I think I missed the tank, or forgot it. Wasn't that back in ancient
Rome? How did he get a tank there?
I liked it though, and yeah it was cool. The 12th Doctor was a breath
of fresh air after the dullness of Eleven.
Hah.
--
Mickmane
On 14/07/2025 6:00 pm, Mickmane wrote:
<Snip>
I think I missed the tank, or forgot it. Wasn't that back in ancient
Rome? How did he get a tank there?
I thought it was with The Vikings .... or similar.
And where would they have gotten the Diesel to run the Tank in any case?
--
Daniel70
On 13/07/2025 7:34 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
<Snip>
Talking instruments (you say play, so I guess it's something
like that) I didn't like the 2nd's (I think it was) flute much.
I think the British prefer the term Recorder.
I 'studied' the Recorder for a year or so, way back when. Primary
School, Grade two or thereabouts.
I figured it was a cheap version of a Flute ... if you were any good
with the Recorder, you would upgrade to a Flute.
--
Daniel70
On 13/07/2025 7:34 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
<Snip>
Talking instruments (you say play, so I guess it's something
like that) I didn't like the 2nd's (I think it was) flute much.
I think the British prefer the term Recorder.
I 'studied' the Recorder for a year or so, way back when. Primary
School, Grade two or thereabouts.
I figured it was a cheap version of a Flute ... if you were any good
with the Recorder, you would upgrade to a Flute.
On 2025-07-14 10:24:54 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 13/07/2025 7:34 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
<Snip>
Talking instruments (you say play, so I guess it's something
like that) I didn't like the 2nd's (I think it was) flute much.
I think the British prefer the term Recorder.
I 'studied' the Recorder for a year or so, way back when. Primary
School, Grade two or thereabouts.
I figured it was a cheap version of a Flute ... if you were any good
with the Recorder, you would upgrade to a Flute.
They are two different instruments. The main difference is the way they
are held and played.
A recorder is held perpendicular to the face, with the tip in your
mouth, and blown into.
A flute is held horizontal to the face and blown across (although there
are 'end-blown' flutes too). There is also the piccolo, which is
basically a small flute.
On 2025-07-14 10:24:54 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 13/07/2025 7:34 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
<Snip>
Talking instruments (you say play, so I guess it's something
like that) I didn't like the 2nd's (I think it was) flute much.
I think the British prefer the term Recorder.
I 'studied' the Recorder for a year or so, way back when. Primary
School, Grade two or thereabouts.
I figured it was a cheap version of a Flute ... if you were any good
with the Recorder, you would upgrade to a Flute.
They are two different instruments. The main difference is the way they
are held and played.
A recorder is held perpendicular to the face, with the tip in your
mouth, and blown into.
A flute is held horizontal to the face and blown across (although there
are 'end-blown' flutes too). There is also the piccolo, which is
basically a small flute.
On 7/14/2025 16:27, Your Name wrote:
On 2025-07-14 10:24:54 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 13/07/2025 7:34 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
<Snip>
Talking instruments (you say play, so I guess it's something
like that) I didn't like the 2nd's (I think it was) flute much.
I think the British prefer the term Recorder.
I 'studied' the Recorder for a year or so, way back when. Primary
School, Grade two or thereabouts.
I figured it was a cheap version of a Flute ... if you were any good
with the Recorder, you would upgrade to a Flute.
They are two different instruments. The main difference is the way they
are held and played.
A recorder is held perpendicular to the face, with the tip in your
mouth, and blown into.
A flute is held horizontal to the face and blown across (although there
are 'end-blown' flutes too). There is also the piccolo, which is
basically a small flute.
And...there is also an alto flute, and a bass flute.
--
Intelligence is no guarantee against being dead wrong.
--Carl Sagan
On 7/14/2025 16:27, Your Name wrote:
On 2025-07-14 10:24:54 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 13/07/2025 7:34 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
<Snip>
Talking instruments (you say play, so I guess it's something
like that) I didn't like the 2nd's (I think it was) flute much.
I think the British prefer the term Recorder.
I 'studied' the Recorder for a year or so, way back when. Primary
School, Grade two or thereabouts.
I figured it was a cheap version of a Flute ... if you were any good
with the Recorder, you would upgrade to a Flute.
They are two different instruments. The main difference is the way they
are held and played.
A recorder is held perpendicular to the face, with the tip in your
mouth, and blown into.
A flute is held horizontal to the face and blown across (although there
are 'end-blown' flutes too). There is also the piccolo, which is
basically a small flute.
And...there is also an alto flute, and a bass flute.
On 14/07/2025 6:00 pm, Mickmane wrote:
<Snip>
I think I missed the tank, or forgot it. Wasn't that back in ancient
Rome? How did he get a tank there?
I thought it was with The Vikings .... or similar.
And where would they have gotten the Diesel to run the Tank in any
case?
On 15.07.25, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 14/07/2025 6:00 pm, Mickmane wrote:
<Snip>
I think I missed the tank, or forgot it. Wasn't
that back in ancient Rome? How did he get a tank
there?
I thought it was with The Vikings .... or similar.
Hm. I remember an arena, like a coluseum.
Mickmane wrote:
On 14.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
I must have missed that while slogging through those
seasons.
You could hardly miss Amy! It was kind of all about her and
her crack for a while. Spoilt bitch.
Haha. I didn't miss Amy, I missed her turning into a spoiled
brat.
She always came across fairly spoilt and entitled to me, and
she treated Rory like shit.
If we talk companions that turned out like the proverbial
fish/visitors, whatshername, the impossible girl, takes the
lead for me.
Clara.
She started off fine. But again, the more a showrunner tries
to add depth to a companion or make them 'special' the more
I lose interest. - And we won't mention her loser boyfriend
Rupert either. (PTSD me bollix!)
I think I forgot Rupert. Sometimes a bad memory is an
advantage? :)
In his case... most definitely!
Talking instruments (you say play, so I guess it's something
like that) I didn't like the 2nd's (I think it was) flute
much.
I think the British prefer the term Recorder.
I haven't been to the UK for decades. Here it's called Floete.
Closer to flute! :)
This one time, at band camp...
Twelve's guitar was more like it! :)
The 12th Doctor playing a riff on an electric guitar whilst
riding on a tank was ... er, different.
I think I missed the tank, or forgot it.
It was definitely a tank.
Wasn't that back in ancient Rome? How did he get a
tank there?
How did the electric guitar get there? And what (and where)
did he plug the amplifier in to?
As Mrs Blueshirt would say, "Doctor Who" has always been
silly!" So best not to think too much about the how's and
why's of everything...
On 2025-07-14 10:24:54 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 13/07/2025 7:34 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
<Snip>
Talking instruments (you say play, so I guess it's something
like that) I didn't like the 2nd's (I think it was) flute much.
I think the British prefer the term Recorder.
I 'studied' the Recorder for a year or so, way back when. Primary
School, Grade two or thereabouts.
I figured it was a cheap version of a Flute ... if you were any good
with the Recorder, you would upgrade to a Flute.
They are two different instruments. The main difference is the way they
are held and played.
A recorder is held perpendicular to the face, with the tip in your
mouth, and blown into.
A flute is held horizontal to the face and blown across (although there
are 'end-blown' flutes too). There is also the piccolo, which is
basically a small flute.
On 2025-07-15 00:24:42 +0000, Hornplayer9599 said:
On 7/14/2025 16:27, Your Name wrote:
On 2025-07-14 10:24:54 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 13/07/2025 7:34 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
<Snip>
Talking instruments (you say play, so I guess it's something
like that) I didn't like the 2nd's (I think it was) flute much.
I think the British prefer the term Recorder.
I 'studied' the Recorder for a year or so, way back when. Primary
School, Grade two or thereabouts.
I figured it was a cheap version of a Flute ... if you were any good
with the Recorder, you would upgrade to a Flute.
They are two different instruments. The main difference is the way
they are held and played.
A recorder is held perpendicular to the face, with the tip in your
mouth, and blown into.
A flute is held horizontal to the face and blown across (although
there are 'end-blown' flutes too). There is also the piccolo, which
is basically a small flute.
And...there is also an alto flute, and a bass flute.
Yep. There are quite a number of different types of true flute ... <https://theflutenerd.com/fafqs-how-many-types-of-flutes-are-there/>
Technically a recorder actually is another type of flute called an
"internal duct flute" or a "fipple flute", but they are usually treated
as separate woodwind families due to the difference in how they are held
and played.
Another technical sub-family of the flute is the panpipes, also called panflute, but it is also treated as a separate instrument due to having multiple tubes and no finger holes, but played in the same blow-across
method as a true flute.
Then there are the flutes you pour your champagne into. ;-)
You can actually use these as a musical instrument too by filling with different levels of liquid and then rubbing the rims with a wet finger
to make the sound.
On 15.07.25, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 14/07/2025 6:00 pm, Mickmane wrote:
<Snip>
I think I missed the tank, or forgot it. Wasn't that back in ancient
Rome? How did he get a tank there?
I thought it was with The Vikings .... or similar.
Hm. I remember an arena, like a coluseum.
And where would they have gotten the Diesel to run the Tank in any
case?
You can fit a can with fuel through the Tardis door. :P
Tank? Not so much, I think. :)
--
Mickmane
On 2025-07-15 00:24:42 +0000, Hornplayer9599 said:
On 7/14/2025 16:27, Your Name wrote:
On 2025-07-14 10:24:54 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 13/07/2025 7:34 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
<Snip>
Talking instruments (you say play, so I guess it's something
like that) I didn't like the 2nd's (I think it was) flute much.
I think the British prefer the term Recorder.
I 'studied' the Recorder for a year or so, way back when. Primary
School, Grade two or thereabouts.
I figured it was a cheap version of a Flute ... if you were any good
with the Recorder, you would upgrade to a Flute.
They are two different instruments. The main difference is the way they
are held and played.
A recorder is held perpendicular to the face, with the tip in your
mouth, and blown into.
A flute is held horizontal to the face and blown across (although there
are 'end-blown' flutes too). There is also the piccolo, which is
basically a small flute.
And...there is also an alto flute, and a bass flute.
Yep. There are quite a number of different types of true flute ... ><https://theflutenerd.com/fafqs-how-many-types-of-flutes-are-there/>
Technically a recorder actually is another type of flute called an
"internal duct flute" or a "fipple flute", but they are usually treated
as separate woodwind families due to the difference in how they are
held and played.
Another technical sub-family of the flute is the panpipes, also called >panflute, but it is also treated as a separate instrument due to having >multiple tubes and no finger holes, but played in the same blow-across
method as a true flute.
Then there are the flutes you pour your champagne into. ;-)
You can actually use these as a musical instrument too by filling with >different levels of liquid and then rubbing the rims with a wet finger
to make the sound.
Mickmane wrote:
On 14.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
I must have missed that while slogging through those
seasons.
You could hardly miss Amy! It was kind of all about her and
her crack for a while. Spoilt bitch.
Haha. I didn't miss Amy, I missed her turning into a spoiled
brat.
She always came across fairly spoilt and entitled to me, and
she treated Rory like s*t.
If we talk companions that turned out like the proverbial
fish/visitors, whatshername, the impossible girl, takes the
lead for me.
Clara.
She started off fine. But again, the more a showrunner tries
to add depth to a companion or make them 'special' the more
I lose interest. - And we won't mention her loser boyfriend
Rupert either. (PTSD me bollix!)
I think I forgot Rupert. Sometimes a bad memory is an
advantage? :)
In his case... most definitely!
Talking instruments (you say play, so I guess it's something
like that) I didn't like the 2nd's (I think it was) flute
much.
I think the British prefer the term Recorder.
I haven't been to the UK for decades. Here it's called Floete.
Closer to flute! :)
This one time, at band camp...
Twelve's guitar was more like it! :)
The 12th Doctor playing a riff on an electric guitar whilst
riding on a tank was ... er, different.
I think I missed the tank, or forgot it.
It was definitely a tank.
Wasn't that back in ancient Rome? How did he get a
tank there?
How did the electric guitar get there? And what (and where)
did he plug the amplifier in to?
As Mrs Blueshirt would say, "Doctor Who" has always been
silly!" So best not to think too much about the how's and
why's of everything...
Mickmane wrote:
On 15.07.25, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 14/07/2025 6:00 pm, Mickmane wrote:
<Snip>
I think I missed the tank, or forgot it. Wasn't
that back in ancient Rome? How did he get a tank
there?
I thought it was with The Vikings .... or similar.
Hm. I remember an arena, like a coluseum.
Yeah, around medieval times IIRC.
On 15/07/2025 4:45 pm, Your Name wrote:
On 2025-07-15 00:24:42 +0000, Hornplayer9599 said:
On 7/14/2025 16:27, Your Name wrote:
On 2025-07-14 10:24:54 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 13/07/2025 7:34 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
<Snip>
Talking instruments (you say play, so I guess it's something
like that) I didn't like the 2nd's (I think it was) flute much.
I think the British prefer the term Recorder.
I 'studied' the Recorder for a year or so, way back when. Primary
School, Grade two or thereabouts.
I figured it was a cheap version of a Flute ... if you were any good >>>>> with the Recorder, you would upgrade to a Flute.
They are two different instruments. The main difference is the way
they are held and played.
A recorder is held perpendicular to the face, with the tip in your
mouth, and blown into.
A flute is held horizontal to the face and blown across (although
there are 'end-blown' flutes too). There is also the piccolo, which
is basically a small flute.
And...there is also an alto flute, and a bass flute.
Yep. There are quite a number of different types of true flute ...
<https://theflutenerd.com/fafqs-how-many-types-of-flutes-are-there/>
Technically a recorder actually is another type of flute called an
"internal duct flute" or a "fipple flute", but they are usually treated
as separate woodwind families due to the difference in how they are held
and played.
Another technical sub-family of the flute is the panpipes, also called
panflute, but it is also treated as a separate instrument due to having
multiple tubes and no finger holes, but played in the same blow-across
method as a true flute.
Well done, Your Name. I would have expected this sort of knowledge to
have been shown by Hornplayer, even though Horns are a totally different >field of Music, so well done. Have you been hiding your musicality under
a book or something??
Then there are the flutes you pour your champagne into. ;-)Now you're typing!!
You can actually use these as a musical instrument too by filling with
different levels of liquid and then rubbing the rims with a wet finger
to make the sound.
--
Daniel70
On 15/07/2025 8:55 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
On 14.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
I must have missed that while slogging through those
seasons.
You could hardly miss Amy! It was kind of all about her and
her crack for a while. Spoilt bitch.
Did we ever really find out what "The Crack" was all about??
Or was that just a 'possible' storyline that dead-ended??
Haha. I didn't miss Amy, I missed her turning into a spoiled
brat.
She always came across fairly spoilt and entitled to me, and
she treated Rory like shit.
WHAT?? Entitled?? Having to go around dress as a Cop (or whatever 'the >customer' wanted I guess)??
Doesn't sound too "entitled" to me.
Rory WAS a bit of a Woose, though.
If we talk companions that turned out like the proverbial
fish/visitors, whatshername, the impossible girl, takes the
lead for me.
Clara.
She started off fine. But again, the more a showrunner tries
to add depth to a companion or make them 'special' the more
I lose interest. - And we won't mention her loser boyfriend
Rupert either. (PTSD me bollix!)
I think I forgot Rupert. Sometimes a bad memory is an
advantage? :)
In his case... most definitely!
Was 'Rupert' really the Boyfriend .... or was 'Rupert' the descendant of
the Boyfriend and .....??
Talking instruments (you say play, so I guess it's something
like that) I didn't like the 2nd's (I think it was) flute
much.
I think the British prefer the term Recorder.
I haven't been to the UK for decades. Here it's called Floete.
Closer to flute! :)
This one time, at band camp...
Twelve's guitar was more like it! :)
The 12th Doctor playing a riff on an electric guitar whilst
riding on a tank was ... er, different.
I think I missed the tank, or forgot it.
It was definitely a tank.
.... which WAS needed to supply the electrical power for the Guitar Amp.
Wasn't that back in ancient Rome? How did he get a
tank there?
No. Viking times .... 500AD thru 1000AD
How did the electric guitar get there? And what (and where)
did he plug the amplifier in to?
As I explained just above, the Tanks electrical system. ;-P
As Mrs Blueshirt would say, "Doctor Who" has always beenOr just get rid of Mrs Blueshirt. ;-)
silly!" So best not to think too much about the how's and
why's of everything...
--
Daniel70
On 15/07/2025 7:27 am, Your Name wrote:
On 2025-07-14 10:24:54 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 13/07/2025 7:34 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
<Snip>
Talking instruments (you say play, so I guess it's something
like that) I didn't like the 2nd's (I think it was) flute much.
I think the British prefer the term Recorder.
I 'studied' the Recorder for a year or so, way back when. Primary
School, Grade two or thereabouts.
I figured it was a cheap version of a Flute ... if you were any good
with the Recorder, you would upgrade to a Flute.
They are two different instruments. The main difference is the way they
are held and played.
A recorder is held perpendicular to the face, with the tip in your
mouth, and blown into.
A flute is held horizontal to the face and blown across (although there
are 'end-blown' flutes too). There is also the piccolo, which is
basically a small flute.
Gee, I was gunna suggest you were right and I was wrong .... but, as
you've given me an out .........! ;-P
Is the Recorder then mainly about getting the Fingering, sort of, worked out??
Verily, in article <1055giq$2mdm$1@dont-email.me>, did daniel47@eternal- >september.org deliver unto us this message:
Did we ever really find out what "The Crack" was all about??
Or was that just a 'possible' storyline that dead-ended??
The gist is that the continuum itself was damaged, but Amy's amazingness >fixed it in the end.
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Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
I would have been fine with Amy if the Doctor had simply solved her
mystery as an arc -- but no, the solution has to be that Amy is integral
to the universe, has literally saved the Doctor's life on multiple
occasions throughout the continuum, and is the one who originally
inspired him to steal the TARDIS we know.
It was Clara who inspired him to steal that TARDIS. But apart
from that, I agree with everything you said about Amy.
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On 2025-07-15 12:15:11 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 15/07/2025 7:27 am, Your Name wrote:
On 2025-07-14 10:24:54 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 13/07/2025 7:34 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
<Snip>
Talking instruments (you say play, so I guess it's something
like that) I didn't like the 2nd's (I think it was) flute much.
I think the British prefer the term Recorder.
I 'studied' the Recorder for a year or so, way back when. Primary
School, Grade two or thereabouts.
I figured it was a cheap version of a Flute ... if you were any good
with the Recorder, you would upgrade to a Flute.
They are two different instruments. The main difference is the way they
are held and played.
A recorder is held perpendicular to the face, with the tip in your
mouth, and blown into.
A flute is held horizontal to the face and blown across (although there
are 'end-blown' flutes too). There is also the piccolo, which is
basically a small flute.
Gee, I was gunna suggest you were right and I was wrong .... but, as
you've given me an out .........! ;-P
Is the Recorder then mainly about getting the Fingering, sort of, worked out??
Sort of. The recorder is considered one of the easiest wind instruments
to play because you basically just have to blow down it, while the
flute requires more skill in directing the airflow across and into the >instrument. The recorder can also make it easier for players to move to
other instruments with similar finger placements.
Plus, the recorder is usually cheaper than a flute for schools /
parents to buy. :-)
Verily, in article <1056hbk$a3cs$1@dont-email.me>, did >solar.penguin@gmail.com deliver unto us this message:
It was Clara who inspired him to steal that TARDIS. But apart
from that, I agree with everything you said about Amy.
Oh, right. I'm getting my Mary Sues mixed up. :)
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On 2025-07-15 12:15:11 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 15/07/2025 7:27 am, Your Name wrote:
On 2025-07-14 10:24:54 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 13/07/2025 7:34 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
<Snip>
Talking instruments (you say play, so I guess it's something
like that) I didn't like the 2nd's (I think it was) flute much.
I think the British prefer the term Recorder.
I 'studied' the Recorder for a year or so, way back when. Primary
School, Grade two or thereabouts.
I figured it was a cheap version of a Flute ... if you were any good
with the Recorder, you would upgrade to a Flute.
They are two different instruments. The main difference is the way
they are held and played.
A recorder is held perpendicular to the face, with the tip in your
mouth, and blown into.
A flute is held horizontal to the face and blown across (although
there are 'end-blown' flutes too). There is also the piccolo, which
is basically a small flute.
Gee, I was gunna suggest you were right and I was wrong .... but, as
you've given me an out .........! ;-P
Is the Recorder then mainly about getting the Fingering, sort of,
worked out??
Sort of. The recorder is considered one of the easiest wind instruments
to play because you basically just have to blow down it, while the flute requires more skill in directing the airflow across and into the
instrument. The recorder can also make it easier for players to move to
other instruments with similar finger placements.
Plus, the recorder is usually cheaper than a flute for schools / parents
to buy. :-)
Mickmane wrote:
On 14.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
I think the British prefer the term Recorder.
I haven't been to the UK for decades. Here it's called Floete.
Closer to flute! :)
This one time, at band camp...
Twelve's guitar was more like it! :)
The 12th Doctor playing a riff on an electric guitar whilst
riding on a tank was ... er, different.
I think I missed the tank, or forgot it.
It was definitely a tank.
Wasn't that back in ancient Rome? How did he get a
tank there?
How did the electric guitar get there? And what (and where)
did he plug the amplifier in to?
As Mrs Blueshirt would say, "Doctor Who" has always been
silly!" So best not to think too much about the how's and
why's of everything...
On 16.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
I haven't been to the UK for decades. Here it's called
Floete. Closer to flute! :)
This one time, at band camp...
?
I think I missed the tank, or forgot it.
It was definitely a tank.
Hm, must rewatch the episode, do you know the title or number?
I guess I could ask google.
Wasn't that back in ancient Rome? How did he get a
tank there?
How did the electric guitar get there? And what (and where)
did he plug the amplifier in to?
TARDIS?
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
I would have been fine with Amy if the Doctor had simply
solved her mystery as an arc -- but no, the solution has to
be that Amy is integral to the universe, has literally saved
the Doctor's life on multiple occasions throughout the
continuum, and is the one who originally inspired him to
steal the TARDIS we know.
It was Clara who inspired him to steal that TARDIS. But apart
from that, I agree with everything you said about Amy.
Mickmane wrote:
On 16.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
I haven't been to the UK for decades. Here it's called
Floete. Closer to flute! :)
This one time, at band camp...
?
It's an in-joke among the flute playing community...
On 7/16/2025 07:15, Blueshirt wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
On 16.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
I haven't been to the UK for decades. Here it's called
Floete. Closer to flute! :)
This one time, at band camp...?
It's an in-joke among the flute playing community...
Well it's a meme now, but the line is from the original
"American Pie" movie. It was a girl in the movie who was
annoying, and started every anecdote with "one time, at band
camp".
solar penguin wrote:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
I would have been fine with Amy if the Doctor had simply
solved her mystery as an arc -- but no, the solution has to
be that Amy is integral to the universe, has literally saved
the Doctor's life on multiple occasions throughout the
continuum, and is the one who originally inspired him to
steal the TARDIS we know.
It was Clara who inspired him to steal that TARDIS. But apart
from that, I agree with everything you said about Amy.
They were both part of the new-Who syndrome of the companions
being 'special'... and it all being about them. Which as it
goes on just makes good companions become annoying and for me,
devalues the role of the Doctor.
In "Doctor Who" a companion was [generally] there for the Doctor
to explain his cleverness too, asking questions so explanations
[for the viewer] were supplied ... and needing to be rescued by
the hero of the show - The Doctor.
Clara's storyline - like Amy's - just got worse as it went on...
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On 16.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
On 14.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
I think the British prefer the term Recorder.
I haven't been to the UK for decades. Here it's called Floete.
Closer to flute! :)
This one time, at band camp...
?
Twelve's guitar was more like it! :)
The 12th Doctor playing a riff on an electric guitar whilst
riding on a tank was ... er, different.
I think I missed the tank, or forgot it.
It was definitely a tank.
Hm, must rewatch the episode, do you know the title or number? I guess I >could ask google.
Wasn't that back in ancient Rome? How did he get a
tank there?
How did the electric guitar get there? And what (and where)
did he plug the amplifier in to?
TARDIS?
As Mrs Blueshirt would say, "Doctor Who" has always been
silly!" So best not to think too much about the how's and
why's of everything...
Hm.
I wasn't the one who started wondering how a tank got there anyway. :P I >don't even remember the thing!
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On 7/16/2025 07:15, Blueshirt wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
On 16.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
I haven't been to the UK for decades. Here it's called
Floete. Closer to flute! :)
This one time, at band camp...
?
It's an in-joke among the flute playing community...
Well it's a meme now, but the line is from the original "American Pie"
movie. It was a girl in the movie who was annoying, and started every >anecdote with "one time, at band camp".
--
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--Carl Sagan
Hornplayer9599 wrote:
On 7/16/2025 07:15, Blueshirt wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
On 16.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:?
I haven't been to the UK for decades. Here it's called
Floete. Closer to flute! :)
This one time, at band camp...
It's an in-joke among the flute playing community...
Well it's a meme now, but the line is from the original
"American Pie" movie. It was a girl in the movie who was
annoying, and started every anecdote with "one time, at band
camp".
I hope that's not really what the girls use flutes for at band
camp! ;-)
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Verily, in article <xn0p8d5gi8hb3s8002@post.eweka.nl>, did >blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
They were both part of the new-Who syndrome of the companions
being 'special'... and it all being about them. Which as it
goes on just makes good companions become annoying and for me,
devalues the role of the Doctor.
In "Doctor Who" a companion was [generally] there for the Doctor
to explain his cleverness too, asking questions so explanations
[for the viewer] were supplied ... and needing to be rescued by
the hero of the show - The Doctor.
The Doctor himself wasn't the fulcrum of the universe, either. He knew
much more than the humans, but among his own mighty race, he was a
duffer.
That was part of his charm. He traveled time and space, but he was also
just some guy.
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Verily, in article <xn0p8d5gi8hb3s8002@post.eweka.nl>, did blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
They were both part of the new-Who syndrome of the companions
being 'special'... and it all being about them. Which as it
goes on just makes good companions become annoying and for
me, devalues the role of the Doctor.
In "Doctor Who" a companion was [generally] there for the
Doctor to explain his cleverness too, asking questions so
explanations [for the viewer] were supplied ... and needing
to be rescued by the hero of the show - The Doctor.
The Doctor himself wasn't the fulcrum of the universe, either.
He knew much more than the humans, but among his own mighty
race, he was a duffer.
That was part of his charm. He traveled time and space, but he
was also just some guy.
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0p8d5gi8hb3s8002@post.eweka.nl>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
They were both part of the new-Who syndrome of the companions
being 'special'... and it all being about them. Which as it
goes on just makes good companions become annoying and for
me, devalues the role of the Doctor.
In "Doctor Who" a companion was [generally] there for the
Doctor to explain his cleverness too, asking questions so
explanations [for the viewer] were supplied ... and needing
to be rescued by the hero of the show - The Doctor.
The Doctor himself wasn't the fulcrum of the universe, either.
He knew much more than the humans, but among his own mighty
race, he was a duffer.
That was part of his charm. He traveled time and space, but he
was also just some guy.
I think that's what the Doctor - as a character - lacks these
days, charm.
Verily, in article <xn0p8dfbs8uqau0001@news.eternal-september.org>, did >blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
I think that's what the Doctor - as a character - lacks these
days, charm.
The idea now seems to be to make him a sex symbol. I stopped watched it >before it became like this, but it's sad even to watch from afar.
--
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solar penguin wrote:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
I would have been fine with Amy if the Doctor had simply
solved her mystery as an arc -- but no, the solution has to
be that Amy is integral to the universe, has literally saved
the Doctor's life on multiple occasions throughout the
continuum, and is the one who originally inspired him to
steal the TARDIS we know.
It was Clara who inspired him to steal that TARDIS. But apart
from that, I agree with everything you said about Amy.
They were both part of the new-Who syndrome of the companions
being 'special'... and it all being about them. Which as it
goes on just makes good companions become annoying and for me,
devalues the role of the Doctor.
In "Doctor Who" a companion was [generally] there for the Doctor
to explain his cleverness too, asking questions so explanations
[for the viewer] were supplied ... and needing to be rescued by
the hero of the show - The Doctor.
Clara's storyline - like Amy's - just got worse as it went on...
On 2025-07-16 12:07:04 +0000, Blueshirt said:
solar penguin wrote:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
I would have been fine with Amy if the Doctor had simply
solved her mystery as an arc -- but no, the solution has to
be that Amy is integral to the universe, has literally saved
the Doctor's life on multiple occasions throughout the
continuum, and is the one who originally inspired him to
steal the TARDIS we know.
It was Clara who inspired him to steal that TARDIS. But apart
from that, I agree with everything you said about Amy.
They were both part of the new-Who syndrome of the companions
being 'special'... and it all being about them. Which as it
goes on just makes good companions become annoying and for me,
devalues the role of the Doctor.
In "Doctor Who" a companion was [generally] there for the Doctor
to explain his cleverness too, asking questions so explanations
[for the viewer] were supplied ... and needing to be rescued by
the hero of the show - The Doctor.
Clara's storyline - like Amy's - just got worse as it went on...
Before them was Donna Noble and Rose Tyler. One partial exception was
Martha Jones, who although very clever, didn't have an 'super power' >storyline (that I can recall).
Part of the reason is the usual "Politically Correct" silliness ... you
can't have a dumb female companion any more nor a white male being >intelligent, so the roles got somewhat reversed. Notice that when
Doctress Who turned up, she instead had a dim male companion (played by >Bradley Walsh).
In article <1059h7d$10lu7$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-16 12:07:04 +0000, Blueshirt said:
solar penguin wrote:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
I would have been fine with Amy if the Doctor had simply
solved her mystery as an arc -- but no, the solution has to
be that Amy is integral to the universe, has literally saved
the Doctor's life on multiple occasions throughout the
continuum, and is the one who originally inspired him to
steal the TARDIS we know.
It was Clara who inspired him to steal that TARDIS. But apart
from that, I agree with everything you said about Amy.
They were both part of the new-Who syndrome of the companions
being 'special'... and it all being about them. Which as it
goes on just makes good companions become annoying and for me,
devalues the role of the Doctor.
In "Doctor Who" a companion was [generally] there for the Doctor
to explain his cleverness too, asking questions so explanations
[for the viewer] were supplied ... and needing to be rescued by
the hero of the show - The Doctor.
Clara's storyline - like Amy's - just got worse as it went on...
Before them was Donna Noble and Rose Tyler. One partial exception was >>Martha Jones, who although very clever, didn't have an 'super power' >>storyline (that I can recall).
Part of the reason is the usual "Politically Correct" silliness ... you >>can't have a dumb female companion any more nor a white male being >>intelligent, so the roles got somewhat reversed. Notice that when
Doctress Who turned up, she instead had a dim male companion (played by >>Bradley Walsh).
Spot on about the political correctness!
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 2:26:37 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
In article <1059h7d$10lu7$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-16 12:07:04 +0000, Blueshirt said:
solar penguin wrote:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
I would have been fine with Amy if the Doctor had simply
solved her mystery as an arc -- but no, the solution has to
be that Amy is integral to the universe, has literally saved
the Doctor's life on multiple occasions throughout the
continuum, and is the one who originally inspired him to
steal the TARDIS we know.
It was Clara who inspired him to steal that TARDIS. But apart
from that, I agree with everything you said about Amy.
They were both part of the new-Who syndrome of the companions
being 'special'... and it all being about them. Which as it
goes on just makes good companions become annoying and for me,
devalues the role of the Doctor.
In "Doctor Who" a companion was [generally] there for the Doctor
to explain his cleverness too, asking questions so explanations
[for the viewer] were supplied ... and needing to be rescued by
the hero of the show - The Doctor.
Clara's storyline - like Amy's - just got worse as it went on...
Before them was Donna Noble and Rose Tyler. One partial exception was
Martha Jones, who although very clever, didn't have an 'super power'
storyline (that I can recall).
Part of the reason is the usual "Politically Correct" silliness ... you
can't have a dumb female companion any more nor a white male being
intelligent, so the roles got somewhat reversed. Notice that when
Doctress Who turned up, she instead had a dim male companion (played by
Bradley Walsh).
Spot on about the political correctness!
It has taken over most tv programmes made today.
Mickmane wrote:
On 16.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Hm, must rewatch the episode, do you know the title or number?
I guess I could ask google.
The Magician's Apprentice.
How did the electric guitar get there? And what (and where)
did he plug the amplifier in to?
TARDIS?
It wasn't a serious question!
It's Doctor Who... if I thought enough to ask those sort of
questions I'd never sleep at night...
Verily, in article
<xn0p8dfbs8uqau0001@news.eternal-september.org>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
I think that's what the Doctor - as a character - lacks these
days, charm.
The idea now seems to be to make him a sex symbol. I stopped
watched it before it became like this, but it's sad even to
watch from afar.
On 2025-07-16 12:07:04 +0000, Blueshirt said:
solar penguin wrote:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
I would have been fine with Amy if the Doctor had simply
solved her mystery as an arc -- but no, the solution has
to be that Amy is integral to the universe, has
literally saved the Doctor's life on multiple occasions
throughout the continuum, and is the one who originally
inspired him to steal the TARDIS we know.
It was Clara who inspired him to steal that TARDIS. But
apart from that, I agree with everything you said about
Amy.
They were both part of the new-Who syndrome of the companions
being 'special'... and it all being about them. Which as it
goes on just makes good companions become annoying and for
me, devalues the role of the Doctor.
In "Doctor Who" a companion was [generally] there for the
Doctor to explain his cleverness too, asking questions so
explanations [for the viewer] were supplied ... and needing
to be rescued by the hero of the show - The Doctor.
Clara's storyline - like Amy's - just got worse as it went
on...
Before them was Donna Noble and Rose Tyler. One partial
exception was Martha Jones, who although very clever, didn't
have an 'super power' storyline (that I can recall).
Part of the reason is the usual "Politically Correct"
silliness ... you can't have a dumb female companion any more
nor a white male being intelligent, so the roles got somewhat
reversed. Notice that when Doctress Who turned up, she instead
had a dim male companion (played by Bradley Walsh).
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 2:26:37 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
In article <1059h7d$10lu7$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Part of the reason is the usual "Politically Correct"
silliness ... you can't have a dumb female companion any
more nor a white male being intelligent, so the roles got
somewhat reversed. Notice that when Doctress Who turned
up, she instead had a dim male companion (played by
Bradley Walsh).
Spot on about the political correctness!
It has taken over most tv programmes made today.
On 17.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
On 16.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Hm, must rewatch the episode, do you know the title or
number? I guess I could ask google.
The Magician's Apprentice.
Thanks. Rewatched that bit and the rest of the episode. Fun
times!
Still looks Roman to me though. :)
On 2025-07-17 06:31:17 +0000, Theory11 said:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 2:26:37 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
Spot on about the political correctness!
It has taken over most tv programmes made today.
TV shows, movies, books, stage plays, workplaces, schools,
shops, public transport, government departments, ... the
idiocy of Political Correctness has taken over EVERYWHERE.
:-(
Hornplayer9599 wrote:
On 7/16/2025 07:15, Blueshirt wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
On 16.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:?
I haven't been to the UK for decades. Here it's called
Floete. Closer to flute! :)
This one time, at band camp...
It's an in-joke among the flute playing community...
Well it's a meme now, but the line is from the original
"American Pie" movie. It was a girl in the movie who was
annoying, and started every anecdote with "one time, at band
camp".
I hope that's not really what the girls use flutes for at band
camp! ;-)
On 16/07/2025 10:59 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Hornplayer9599 wrote:
Well it's a meme now, but the line is from the original
"American Pie" movie. It was a girl in the movie who was
annoying, and started every anecdote with "one time, at
band camp".
I hope that's not really what the girls use flutes for at
band camp! ;-)
Hmmm! Well, what Flute-shaped thing was she putting in her
mouth, then?? ;-P
Theory11 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 2:26:37 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
In article <1059h7d$10lu7$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Part of the reason is the usual "Politically Correct"
silliness ... you can't have a dumb female companion any
more nor a white male being intelligent, so the roles got
somewhat reversed. Notice that when Doctress Who turned
up, she instead had a dim male companion (played by
Bradley Walsh).
Spot on about the political correctness!
It has taken over most tv programmes made today.
There's political correctness and then there's stupidity...
which is what I call all this trying not to offend anybody, at
all, whatsoever, stuff... RTD's comments on Davros not being in
a wheelchair anymore as it might offend disabled people, or not
using the Cybermen anymore as it might offend people with
prosthetic limbs or a pacemaker (etc.) It's nonsense. And it is
a malaise that seems to have affected everyone at the BBC and
modern television production.
Davros is a fucking cripple because he was caught up in a war,
like what happens to real people in war. They get injured. I
cannot recall anyone being offended by him as a character. But
oh no, Davros has to walk around on Skaro now as we can't depict
bad people in wheelchairs, it sends the wrong message. <rolls
eyes>
Daniel70 wrote:
On 17/07/2025 7:49 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
..... Or, maybe, in some futuristic society, we can take a
There's political correctness and then there's stupidity...
which is what I call all this trying not to offend anybody,
at all, whatsoever, stuff... RTD's comments on Davros not
being in a wheelchair anymore as it might offend disabled
people, or not using the Cybermen anymore as it might offend
people with prosthetic limbs or a pacemaker (etc.) It's
nonsense. And it is a malaise that seems to have affected
everyone at the BBC and modern television production.
Davros is a fucking cripple because he was caught up in a
war, like what happens to real people in war. They get
injured. I cannot recall anyone being offended by him as a
character. But oh no, Davros has to walk around on Skaro now
as we can't depict bad people in wheelchairs, it sends the
wrong message. <rolls eyes>
cripple and make him/her/them/they fully functionally again!!
;-P
Yeah, and maybe they will be called Cyberpeople...
Or was the crippled Davros just a dream all along??
I'd rather write-off the CiN special as a dream sequence in
my head-canon... and in fairness, those 'specials' are easy
enough to ignore. I wouldn't be getting worked up enough over
it to be posting "Retcon the walking Davros" in response to
every post here anyway!!!
:-)--
On 17.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
On 16.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Hm, must rewatch the episode, do you know the title or number?
I guess I could ask google.
The Magician's Apprentice.
Thanks. Rewatched that bit and the rest of the episode. Fun times!
Still looks Roman to me though. :)
How did the electric guitar get there? And what (and where)
did he plug the amplifier in to?
TARDIS?
It wasn't a serious question!
It's Doctor Who... if I thought enough to ask those sort of
questions I'd never sleep at night...
Lol.
--
Mickmane
On 2025-07-17 06:31:17 +0000, Theory11 said:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 2:26:37 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
In article <1059h7d$10lu7$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-16 12:07:04 +0000, Blueshirt said:
solar penguin wrote:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
I would have been fine with Amy if the Doctor had simply
solved her mystery as an arc -- but no, the solution has to
be that Amy is integral to the universe, has literally saved
the Doctor's life on multiple occasions throughout the
continuum, and is the one who originally inspired him to
steal the TARDIS we know.
It was Clara who inspired him to steal that TARDIS. But apart
from that, I agree with everything you said about Amy.
They were both part of the new-Who syndrome of the companions
being 'special'... and it all being about them. Which as it
goes on just makes good companions become annoying and for me,
devalues the role of the Doctor.
In "Doctor Who" a companion was [generally] there for the Doctor
to explain his cleverness too, asking questions so explanations
[for the viewer] were supplied ... and needing to be rescued by
the hero of the show - The Doctor.
Clara's storyline - like Amy's - just got worse as it went on...
Before them was Donna Noble and Rose Tyler. One partial exception was
Martha Jones, who although very clever, didn't have an 'super power'
storyline (that I can recall).
Part of the reason is the usual "Politically Correct" silliness ... you >>>> can't have a dumb female companion any more nor a white male being
intelligent, so the roles got somewhat reversed. Notice that when
Doctress Who turned up, she instead had a dim male companion (played by >>>> Bradley Walsh).
Spot on about the political correctness!
It has taken over most tv programmes made today.
TV shows, movies, books, stage plays, workplaces, schools, shops,
public transport, government departments, ... the idiocy of Political >Correctness has taken over *EVERYWHERE*. :-(
On 2025-07-17 06:31:17 +0000, Theory11 said:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 2:26:37 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
In article <1059h7d$10lu7$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-16 12:07:04 +0000, Blueshirt said:
solar penguin wrote:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
I would have been fine with Amy if the Doctor had simply
solved her mystery as an arc -- but no, the solution has to
be that Amy is integral to the universe, has literally saved
the Doctor's life on multiple occasions throughout the
continuum, and is the one who originally inspired him to
steal the TARDIS we know.
It was Clara who inspired him to steal that TARDIS. But apart
from that, I agree with everything you said about Amy.
They were both part of the new-Who syndrome of the companions
being 'special'... and it all being about them. Which as it
goes on just makes good companions become annoying and for me,
devalues the role of the Doctor.
In "Doctor Who" a companion was [generally] there for the Doctor
to explain his cleverness too, asking questions so explanations
[for the viewer] were supplied ... and needing to be rescued by
the hero of the show - The Doctor.
Clara's storyline - like Amy's - just got worse as it went on...
Before them was Donna Noble and Rose Tyler. One partial exception was
Martha Jones, who although very clever, didn't have an 'super power'
storyline (that I can recall).
Part of the reason is the usual "Politically Correct" silliness ... you >>>> can't have a dumb female companion any more nor a white male being
intelligent, so the roles got somewhat reversed. Notice that when
Doctress Who turned up, she instead had a dim male companion (played by >>>> Bradley Walsh).
Spot on about the political correctness!
It has taken over most tv programmes made today.
TV shows, movies, books, stage plays, workplaces, schools, shops,
public transport, government departments, ... the idiocy of Political >Correctness has taken over *EVERYWHERE*. :-(
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Verily, in article
<xn0p8dfbs8uqau0001@news.eternal-september.org>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
I think that's what the Doctor - as a character - lacks these
days, charm.
The idea now seems to be to make him a sex symbol. I stopped
watched it before it became like this, but it's sad even to
watch from afar.
It's possible Jon Pertwee was a sex symbol in his day... :-)
I'm glad we were all innocent back then though, I'd hate to
have thought there was stuff going on behind the scenes in
the TARDIS between the 3rd Doctor & Jo Grant!
Mickmane wrote:
On 17.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
On 16.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Hm, must rewatch the episode, do you know the title or
number? I guess I could ask google.
The Magician's Apprentice.
Thanks. Rewatched that bit and the rest of the episode. Fun
times!
On the whole I thought the 12th Doctor was quite fun.
Still looks Roman to me though. :)
It's supposed to be England in medieval times, but I'm sure
it could be an arena anywhere in the past and serve the same
purpose.
Your Name wrote:
On 2025-07-17 06:31:17 +0000, Theory11 said:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 2:26:37 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
Spot on about the political correctness!
It has taken over most tv programmes made today.
TV shows, movies, books, stage plays, workplaces, schools,
shops, public transport, government departments, ... the
idiocy of Political Correctness has taken over EVERYWHERE.
:-(
The worst thing is the edits made to old books so as to not
offend people today... Miss Marple & Hercule Poirot have had
some of their comments/inner monologues changed in modern
re-prints of some Agatha Christie novels. Harper Collins use the
term 'emendations' on the copyright page... I call it butchery!
Of course, with Agatha Christie this is nothing new really as
"Ten Little Niggers" had its title changed [twice] decades
ago... but this time silly stuff like "native", "gypsy", "Jew"
and "Nubian" (etc.) have been replaced to "reflect modern
sensibilities".
Stop the world and let me off!
Your Name wrote:
On 2025-07-16 12:07:04 +0000, Blueshirt said:
solar penguin wrote:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
I would have been fine with Amy if the Doctor had simply
solved her mystery as an arc -- but no, the solution has
to be that Amy is integral to the universe, has
literally saved the Doctor's life on multiple occasions
throughout the continuum, and is the one who originally
inspired him to steal the TARDIS we know.
It was Clara who inspired him to steal that TARDIS. But
apart from that, I agree with everything you said about
Amy.
They were both part of the new-Who syndrome of the companions
being 'special'... and it all being about them. Which as it
goes on just makes good companions become annoying and for
me, devalues the role of the Doctor.
In "Doctor Who" a companion was [generally] there for the
Doctor to explain his cleverness too, asking questions so
explanations [for the viewer] were supplied ... and needing
to be rescued by the hero of the show - The Doctor.
Clara's storyline - like Amy's - just got worse as it went
on...
Before them was Donna Noble and Rose Tyler. One partial
exception was Martha Jones, who although very clever, didn't
have an 'super power' storyline (that I can recall).
Martha was supposedly a clever companion but then, like Rose,
she got feelings for the Doctor... but ended up marrying the
tin dog. So maybe not as clever as we thought.
I think the character worked better in Torchwood though...
it's clear RTD didn't really know what to do with Martha.
I'll take a wild guess and say RTD only created the character
Martha Jones so he could do the "Smith & Jones" gag as the title
for the season opener! After that, she was surplus to
requirements... :-)
Part of the reason is the usual "Politically Correct"
silliness ... you can't have a dumb female companion any more
nor a white male being intelligent, so the roles got somewhat
reversed. Notice that when Doctress Who turned up, she instead
had a dim male companion (played by Bradley Walsh).
I thought the 13th Doctor's dim male companion was Ryan?
I mean, he couldn't even ride a bike!
On 17/07/2025 7:49 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Theory11 wrote:..... Or, maybe, in some futuristic society, we can take a cripple and
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 2:26:37 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
In article <1059h7d$10lu7$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Part of the reason is the usual "Politically Correct"
silliness ... you can't have a dumb female companion any
more nor a white male being intelligent, so the roles got
somewhat reversed. Notice that when Doctress Who turned
up, she instead had a dim male companion (played by
Bradley Walsh).
Spot on about the political correctness!
It has taken over most tv programmes made today.
There's political correctness and then there's stupidity...
which is what I call all this trying not to offend anybody, at
all, whatsoever, stuff... RTD's comments on Davros not being in
a wheelchair anymore as it might offend disabled people, or not
using the Cybermen anymore as it might offend people with
prosthetic limbs or a pacemaker (etc.) It's nonsense. And it is
a malaise that seems to have affected everyone at the BBC and
modern television production.
Davros is a f*king cripple because he was caught up in a war,
like what happens to real people in war. They get injured. I
cannot recall anyone being offended by him as a character. But
oh no, Davros has to walk around on Skaro now as we can't depict
bad people in wheelchairs, it sends the wrong message. <rolls
eyes>
make him/her/them/they fully functionally again!! ;-P
Or was the crippled Davros just a dream all along??
--
Daniel70
On 16/07/2025 10:59 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Hornplayer9599 wrote:Hmmm! Well, what Flute-shaped thing was she putting in her mouth, then?? ;-P
On 7/16/2025 07:15, Blueshirt wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
On 16.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:?
I haven't been to the UK for decades. Here it's called
Floete. Closer to flute! :)
This one time, at band camp...
It's an in-joke among the flute playing community...
Well it's a meme now, but the line is from the original
"American Pie" movie. It was a girl in the movie who was
annoying, and started every anecdote with "one time, at band
camp".
I hope that's not really what the girls use flutes for at band
camp! ;-)
--
Daniel70
Daniel70 wrote:
On 17/07/2025 7:49 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
..... Or, maybe, in some futuristic society, we can take a
There's political correctness and then there's stupidity...
which is what I call all this trying not to offend anybody,
at all, whatsoever, stuff... RTD's comments on Davros not
being in a wheelchair anymore as it might offend disabled
people, or not using the Cybermen anymore as it might offend
people with prosthetic limbs or a pacemaker (etc.) It's
nonsense. And it is a malaise that seems to have affected
everyone at the BBC and modern television production.
Davros is a f*king cripple because he was caught up in a
war, like what happens to real people in war. They get
injured. I cannot recall anyone being offended by him as a
character. But oh no, Davros has to walk around on Skaro now
as we can't depict bad people in wheelchairs, it sends the
wrong message. <rolls eyes>
cripple and make him/her/them/they fully functionally again!!
;-P
Yeah, and maybe they will be called Cyberpeople...
Or was the crippled Davros just a dream all along??
I'd rather write-off the CiN special as a dream sequence in
my head-canon... and in fairness, those 'specials' are easy
enough to ignore. I wouldn't be getting worked up enough over
it to be posting "Retcon the walking Davros" in response to
every post here anyway!!!
:-)
On 17/07/2025 9:57 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 17/07/2025 7:49 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
..... Or, maybe, in some futuristic society, we can take a
There's political correctness and then there's stupidity...
which is what I call all this trying not to offend anybody,
at all, whatsoever, stuff... RTD's comments on Davros not
being in a wheelchair anymore as it might offend disabled
people, or not using the Cybermen anymore as it might offend
people with prosthetic limbs or a pacemaker (etc.) It's
nonsense. And it is a malaise that seems to have affected
everyone at the BBC and modern television production.
Davros is a fucking cripple because he was caught up in a
war, like what happens to real people in war. They get
injured. I cannot recall anyone being offended by him as a
character. But oh no, Davros has to walk around on Skaro now
as we can't depict bad people in wheelchairs, it sends the
wrong message. <rolls eyes>
cripple and make him/her/them/they fully functionally again!!
;-P
Yeah, and maybe they will be called Cyberpeople...
Ah!! Now you're thinking! ;-P
Or was the crippled Davros just a dream all along??
I'd rather write-off the CiN special as a dream sequence in
my head-canon... and in fairness, those 'specials' are easy
enough to ignore. I wouldn't be getting worked up enough over
it to be posting "Retcon the walking Davros" in response to
every post here anyway!!!
Ah!! Now you're thinking! ;-P
--
:-)
Daniel70
Go Woke! Go Broke!!!
The Binky Doctor wrote:^^^^^<-Paedophile talker noted
^^^^^<-Paedophile talker notedGo Woke! Go Broke!!!
Is that why you still live in your mammy's basement, binky?
Theory11 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 2:26:37 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
In article <1059h7d$10lu7$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Part of the reason is the usual "Politically Correct"
silliness ... you can't have a dumb female companion any
more nor a white male being intelligent, so the roles got
somewhat reversed. Notice that when Doctress Who turned
up, she instead had a dim male companion (played by
Bradley Walsh).
Spot on about the political correctness!
It has taken over most tv programmes made today.
There's political correctness and then there's stupidity...
which is what I call all this trying not to offend anybody, at
all, whatsoever, stuff... RTD's comments on Davros not being in
a wheelchair anymore as it might offend disabled people, or not
using the Cybermen anymore as it might offend people with
prosthetic limbs or a pacemaker (etc.) It's nonsense. And it is
a malaise that seems to have affected everyone at the BBC and
modern television production.
Davros is a fucking cripple because he was caught up in a war,
like what happens to real people in war. They get injured. I
cannot recall anyone being offended by him as a character. But
oh no, Davros has to walk around on Skaro now as we can't depict
bad people in wheelchairs, it sends the wrong message. <rolls
eyes>
Your Name wrote:
On 2025-07-17 06:31:17 +0000, Theory11 said:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 2:26:37 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
Spot on about the political correctness!
It has taken over most tv programmes made today.
TV shows, movies, books, stage plays, workplaces, schools,
shops, public transport, government departments, ... the
idiocy of Political Correctness has taken over EVERYWHERE.
:-(
The worst thing is the edits made to old books so as to not
offend people today... Miss Marple & Hercule Poirot have had
some of their comments/inner monologues changed in modern
re-prints of some Agatha Christie novels. Harper Collins use the
term 'emendations' on the copyright page... I call it butchery!
Of course, with Agatha Christie this is nothing new really as
"Ten Little Niggers" had its title changed [twice] decades
ago... but this time silly stuff like "native", "gypsy", "Jew"
and "Nubian" (etc.) have been replaced to "reflect modern
sensibilities".
Stop the world and let me off!
Verily, in article <1059aqc$1r7o$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did >doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
In article <MPG.42e1b3d2439aede0989720@news.eternal-september.org>,
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
The idea now seems to be to make him a sex symbol. I stopped watched it
before it became like this, but it's sad even to watch from afar.
That Chibnall and beyond for you.
I blame RTD for the sex-soaked crap. As I've mentioned before, I suspect
he wanted to do a Rule 34 Doctor the first time, but the BBC restrained
him and so he created Captain Jack to bang his way across time and
space.
Apparently the BBC got desperate and decided to let him do it. Why oh
why does no one at the BBC actually *like* this iconic show?
--
Saturday Doctor Who watch party 1:00 p.m. Pacific time
This week: The War Games (pts 6-10) >https://discord.gg/Fd6Znkme?event=1393948552253935706
Verily, in article <xn0p8eevc2pk37j000@post.eweka.nl>, did >blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Verily, in article
<xn0p8dfbs8uqau0001@news.eternal-september.org>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
I think that's what the Doctor - as a character - lacks these
days, charm.
The idea now seems to be to make him a sex symbol. I stopped
watched it before it became like this, but it's sad even to
watch from afar.
It's possible Jon Pertwee was a sex symbol in his day... :-)
Yeah, and there was another who had a so-called "estrogen brigade" of I- >guess-fans who made sexual remarks. Fans are gonna Rule 34, but the show >itself shouldn't. To sex up the Doctor is to miss the point.
--
Saturday Doctor Who watch party 1:00 p.m. Pacific time
This week: The War Games (pts 6-10) >https://discord.gg/Fd6Znkme?event=1393948552253935706
On 2025-07-17 09:49:34 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Theory11 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 2:26:37 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
In article <1059h7d$10lu7$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Part of the reason is the usual "Politically Correct"
silliness ... you can't have a dumb female companion any
more nor a white male being intelligent, so the roles got
somewhat reversed. Notice that when Doctress Who turned
up, she instead had a dim male companion (played by
Bradley Walsh).
Spot on about the political correctness!
It has taken over most tv programmes made today.
There's political correctness and then there's stupidity...
They're the same thing ... all Political Correctness is stupidity, as
well as being greedy, selfish, and racist / sexist / whatever-ist.
which is what I call all this trying not to offend anybody, at
all, whatsoever, stuff... RTD's comments on Davros not being in
a wheelchair anymore as it might offend disabled people, or not
using the Cybermen anymore as it might offend people with
prosthetic limbs or a pacemaker (etc.) It's nonsense. And it is
a malaise that seems to have affected everyone at the BBC and
modern television production.
Davros is a fucking cripple because he was caught up in a war,
like what happens to real people in war. They get injured. I
cannot recall anyone being offended by him as a character. But
oh no, Davros has to walk around on Skaro now as we can't depict
bad people in wheelchairs, it sends the wrong message. <rolls
eyes>
Verily, in article <105bnsr$1ibvj$1@dont-email.me>, did
YourName@YourISP.com deliver unto us this message:
Morons have also complained and forced changes to "Noddy", Sesame
Street's Bert and Ernie, "The Famous Five", Roald Dahl's books, etc.
among many many others. :-(
Bert and Ernie are a particularly disgusting case because they are >*children*.
They are two boys who live together in the same room, with twin beds.
The taller one goes to school and the shorter one does not. The taller
one is sometimes frustrated with the shorter one's dumbness, but they
clearly love each other. Also, the shorter one's iconic song is
literally about a bath toy.
They're very obviously children and *brothers*, not lovers.
Unfortunately, gross people made jokes, and dumb people took the jokes >seriously, and activists pushed and shoved, and eventually they caved.
--
Saturday Doctor Who watch party 1:00 p.m. Pacific time
This week: The War Games (pts 6-10) >https://discord.gg/Fd6Znkme?event=1393948552253935706
On 16/07/2025 10:59 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Hornplayer9599 wrote:Hmmm! Well, what Flute-shaped thing was she putting in her mouth,
On 7/16/2025 07:15, Blueshirt wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
On 16.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:?
I haven't been to the UK for decades. Here it's called
Floete. Closer to flute! :)
This one time, at band camp...
It's an in-joke among the flute playing community...
Well it's a meme now, but the line is from the original
"American Pie" movie. It was a girl in the movie who was
annoying, and started every anecdote with "one time, at band
camp".
I hope that's not really what the girls use flutes for at band
camp!  ;-)
then?? ;-P
On 7/17/2025 06:30, Daniel70 wrote:
On 16/07/2025 10:59 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Hornplayer9599 wrote:Hmmm! Well, what Flute-shaped thing was she putting in her mouth,
On 7/16/2025 07:15, Blueshirt wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
On 16.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:?
I haven't been to the UK for decades. Here it's called
Floete. Closer to flute! :)
This one time, at band camp...
It's an in-joke among the flute playing community...
Well it's a meme now, but the line is from the original
"American Pie" movie. It was a girl in the movie who was
annoying, and started every anecdote with "one time, at band
camp".
I hope that's not really what the girls use flutes for at band
camp!  ;-)
then?? ;-P
It wasn't going in her mouth....
--
Intelligence is no guarantee against being dead wrong.
--Carl Sagan
Verily, in article <105bnsr$1ibvj$1@dont-email.me>, did
YourName@YourISP.com deliver unto us this message:
Morons have also complained and forced changes to "Noddy", Sesame
Street's Bert and Ernie, "The Famous Five", Roald Dahl's books, etc.
among many many others. :-(
Bert and Ernie are a particularly disgusting case because they are *children*.
They are two boys who live together in the same room, with twin beds.
The taller one goes to school and the shorter one does not.
The taller one is sometimes frustrated with the shorter one's dumbness,
but they clearly love each other. Also, the shorter one's iconic song is literally about a bath toy.
They're very obviously children and *brothers*, not lovers.
Unfortunately, gross people made jokes, and dumb people took the jokes seriously, and activists pushed and shoved, and eventually they caved.
Mickmane wrote:
On 17.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Magician's Apprentice.
Still looks Roman to me though. :)
It's supposed to be England in medieval times, but I'm sure
it could be an arena anywhere in the past and serve the same
purpose.
Verily, in article <1059aqc$1r7o$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
In article <MPG.42e1b3d2439aede0989720@news.eternal-september.org>,
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
The idea now seems to be to make him a sex symbol. I stopped watched it
before it became like this, but it's sad even to watch from afar.
That Chibnall and beyond for you.
I blame RTD for the sex-soaked crap. As I've mentioned before, I suspect
he wanted to do a Rule 34 Doctor the first time, but the BBC restrained
him and so he created Captain Jack to bang his way across time and
space.
Apparently the BBC got desperate and decided to let him do it. Why oh
why does no one at the BBC actually *like* this iconic show?
On 2025-07-17 10:10:42 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Your Name wrote:
On 2025-07-17 06:31:17 +0000, Theory11 said:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 2:26:37 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
Spot on about the political correctness!
It has taken over most tv programmes made today.
TV shows, movies, books, stage plays, workplaces, schools,
shops, public transport, government departments, ... the
idiocy of Political Correctness has taken over EVERYWHERE.
:-(
The worst thing is the edits made to old books so as to not
offend people today... Miss Marple & Hercule Poirot have had
some of their comments/inner monologues changed in modern
re-prints of some Agatha Christie novels. Harper Collins use the
term 'emendations' on the copyright page... I call it butchery!
Of course, with Agatha Christie this is nothing new really as
"Ten Little Niggers" had its title changed [twice] decades
ago... but this time silly stuff like "native", "gypsy", "Jew"
and "Nubian" (etc.) have been replaced to "reflect modern
sensibilities".
Morons have also complained and forced changes to "Noddy", Sesame
Street's Bert and Ernie, "The Famous Five", Roald Dahl's books, etc.
among many many others.  :-(
On 2025-07-17 09:49:34 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Theory11 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 2:26:37 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
In article <1059h7d$10lu7$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Part of the reason is the usual "Politically Correct"
silliness ... you can't have a dumb female companion any
more nor a white male being intelligent, so the roles got
somewhat reversed. Notice that when Doctress Who turned
up, she instead had a dim male companion (played by
Bradley Walsh).
Spot on about the political correctness!
It has taken over most tv programmes made today.
There's political correctness and then there's stupidity...
They're the same thing ... all Political Correctness is stupidity, as
well as being greedy, selfish, and racist / sexist / whatever-ist.
On 2025-07-17 21:26:14 +0000, Melissa Hollingsworth said:
Verily, in article <105bnsr$1ibvj$1@dont-email.me>, did
YourName@YourISP.com deliver unto us this message:
Morons have also complained and forced changes to "Noddy", Sesame
Street's Bert and Ernie, "The Famous Five", Roald Dahl's books, etc.
among many many others. :-(
Bert and Ernie are a particularly disgusting case because they are
*children*.
Bert and Ernie are not children. They don't have an official age (like
Elmo does), so their ages are unknown, but they are friends and they
are roommates who share an apartment, apparently by themselves, so they
must be adults to some degree.
They are two boys who live together in the same room, with twin beds.
The taller one goes to school and the shorter one does not.
I can't say I've seen Bert going to school, but then I definitely
haven't seen anywhere near every episode. I do know Bert and Ernie did
a parody of Harry Potter at one stage and went to Wizard School in the >claymation animated series "Bert and Ernie's Great Adventures".
Ernie also decided to go to Clown School in one episode.
The taller one is sometimes frustrated with the shorter one's dumbness,
but they clearly love each other. Also, the shorter one's iconic song is
literally about a bath toy.
They're very obviously children and *brothers*, not lovers.
Unfortunately, gross people made jokes, and dumb people took the jokes
seriously, and activists pushed and shoved, and eventually they caved.
The Sesame Street writer Mark Saltzman claims Bert and Ernie's
relationship is somewhat based on his own relationship with his 'life >partner' Arnold Glassman. The Sesame Street makers say that isn't true.
Another Sesame Street writer, Jon Stone, claims Bert and Ernie's
relationship is reflection of the friendship between Jim Henson and
Frank Oz.
On 18.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
On 17.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Magician's Apprentice.
Still looks Roman to me though. :)
It's supposed to be England in medieval times, but I'm sure
it could be an arena anywhere in the past and serve the same
purpose.
They showed the location on a map early on, but Romans have been in
what's now UK, too. :)
--
Mickmane
On 18/07/2025 2:53 am, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Verily, in article <1059aqc$1r7o$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>, didSorry. "Rule 34 Doctor"??
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
In article <MPG.42e1b3d2439aede0989720@news.eternal-september.org>,
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
The idea now seems to be to make him a sex symbol. I stopped watched it >>>> before it became like this, but it's sad even to watch from afar.
That Chibnall and beyond for you.
I blame RTD for the sex-soaked crap. As I've mentioned before, I suspect
he wanted to do a Rule 34 Doctor the first time, but the BBC restrained
him and so he created Captain Jack to bang his way across time and
space.
Apparently the BBC got desperate and decided to let him do it. Why oh
why does no one at the BBC actually *like* this iconic show?
--
Daniel70
On 18/07/2025 6:47 am, Your Name wrote:
On 2025-07-17 09:49:34 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Theory11 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 2:26:37 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
In article <1059h7d$10lu7$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Part of the reason is the usual "Politically Correct"
silliness ... you can't have a dumb female companion any
more nor a white male being intelligent, so the roles got
somewhat reversed. Notice that when Doctress Who turned
up, she instead had a dim male companion (played by
Bradley Walsh).
Spot on about the political correctness!
It has taken over most tv programmes made today.
There's political correctness and then there's stupidity...
They're the same thing ... all Political Correctness is stupidity, as
well as being greedy, selfish, and racist / sexist / whatever-ist.
But is "stupidity" always "Political Correctness"??
--
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Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 18/07/2025 6:53 am, Your Name wrote:
Morons have also complained and forced changes to "Noddy", Sesame
Street's Bert and Ernie, "The Famous Five", Roald Dahl's books, etc.
among many many others.  :-(
"The Famous Five"?? What the hell was wrong with a group of (five) kids
entertaining themselves, often without ANY adult supervision?? And why
pick on "The Famous Five" without mentioning "The Secret Seven"??
IIRC the fuss was about whether or not George is transgender.
--
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On 18.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
On 17.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Magician's Apprentice.
Still looks Roman to me though. :)
It's supposed to be England in medieval times, but I'm sure
it could be an arena anywhere in the past and serve the same
purpose.
They showed the location on a map early on, but Romans have been in
what's now UK, too. :)
Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 18/07/2025 6:53 am, Your Name wrote:
Morons have also complained and forced changes to "Noddy", Sesame
Street's Bert and Ernie, "The Famous Five", Roald Dahl's books, etc.
among many many others. :-(
"The Famous Five"?? What the hell was wrong with a group of (five) kids
entertaining themselves, often without ANY adult supervision?? And why
pick on "The Famous Five" without mentioning "The Secret Seven"??
IIRC the fuss was about whether or not George is transgender.
On 18/07/2025 6:47 am, Your Name wrote:
On 2025-07-17 09:49:34 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Theory11 wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 2:26:37 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
In article <1059h7d$10lu7$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Part of the reason is the usual "Politically Correct"
silliness ... you can't have a dumb female companion any
more nor a white male being intelligent, so the roles got
somewhat reversed. Notice that when Doctress Who turned
up, she instead had a dim male companion (played by
Bradley Walsh).
Spot on about the political correctness!
It has taken over most tv programmes made today.
There's political correctness and then there's stupidity...
They're the same thing ... all Political Correctness is stupidity, as
well as being greedy, selfish, and racist / sexist / whatever-ist.
But is "stupidity" always "Political Correctness"??
On 18/07/2025 6:53 am, Your Name wrote:
On 2025-07-17 10:10:42 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Your Name wrote:
On 2025-07-17 06:31:17 +0000, Theory11 said:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 2:26:37 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
Spot on about the political correctness!
It has taken over most tv programmes made today.
TV shows, movies, books, stage plays, workplaces, schools,
shops, public transport, government departments, ... the
idiocy of Political Correctness has taken over EVERYWHERE.
:-(
The worst thing is the edits made to old books so as to not
offend people today... Miss Marple & Hercule Poirot have had
some of their comments/inner monologues changed in modern
re-prints of some Agatha Christie novels. Harper Collins use the
term 'emendations' on the copyright page... I call it butchery!
Of course, with Agatha Christie this is nothing new really as
"Ten Little Niggers" had its title changed [twice] decades
ago... but this time silly stuff like "native", "gypsy", "Jew"
and "Nubian" (etc.) have been replaced to "reflect modern
sensibilities".
Morons have also complained and forced changes to "Noddy", Sesame
Street's Bert and Ernie, "The Famous Five", Roald Dahl's books, etc.
among many many others. :-(
"The Famous Five"?? What the hell was wrong with a group of (five) kids entertaining themselves, often without ANY adult supervision?? And why
pick on "The Famous Five" without mentioning "The Secret Seven"??
Verily, in article <105cqpt$1tn6c$1@dont-email.me>, did
YourName@YourISP.com deliver unto us this message:
They are two boys who live together in the same room, with twin beds.
The taller one goes to school and the shorter one does not.
I can't say I've seen Bert going to school, but then I definitely
haven't seen anywhere near every episode. I do know Bert and Ernie did
a parody of Harry Potter at one stage and went to Wizard School in the
claymation animated series "Bert and Ernie's Great Adventures".
Sounds like you watched a much later era than I did. Claymation didn't
even exist in the 70s, when I watched Sesame Street, and Harry Potter
didn't exist until I was well into adulthood.
You can't evaluate the original era by watching episodes from decades later.
They were clearly children. The adult characters had last names and
jobs, while children had first names
and (in most cases) school. Bert used to come home from school and
answer Ernie's questions about it, programming preschoolers to think
that school would be fun and interesting.
He also explained a lot of other things to Ernie. Nobody ever *said*
things like "Here are the two brothers, Bert and Ernie, the siblings!" because that's not how normal people speak. We didn't need to be told
they were brothers any more than we needed to be told that Mr. Hooper
was the owner of the grocery store -- of course he was.
I once heard a younger person assert that they must be adults because he
saw Ernie dusting, and I laughed out loud. The culture has changed so
much that we no longer remember children used to do chores. Also, just
to fend it off, children also used to go places without adults. We used
our bikes and our feet. They're not "acting like adults" because they
went places by themselves. They're acting like children of the 70s.
Verily, in article <105cqpt$1tn6c$1@dont-email.me>, did
YourName@YourISP.com deliver unto us this message:
They are two boys who live together in the same room, with twin beds.
The taller one goes to school and the shorter one does not.
I can't say I've seen Bert going to school, but then I definitely
haven't seen anywhere near every episode. I do know Bert and Ernie did
a parody of Harry Potter at one stage and went to Wizard School in the
claymation animated series "Bert and Ernie's Great Adventures".
Sounds like you watched a much later era than I did. Claymation didn't
even exist in the 70s, when I watched Sesame Street, and Harry Potter
didn't exist until I was well into adulthood. You can't evaluate the
original era by watching episodes from decades later.
They were clearly children. The adult characters had last names and
jobs, while children had first names and (in most cases) school. Bert
used to come home from school and answer Ernie's questions about it, >programming preschoolers to think that school would be fun and
interesting. He also explained a lot of other things to Ernie. Nobody
ever *said* things like "Here are the two brothers, Bert and Ernie, the >siblings!" because that's not how normal people speak. We didn't need to
be told they were brothers any more than we needed to be told that Mr.
Hooper was the owner of the grocery store -- of course he was.
I once heard a younger person assert that they must be adults because he
saw Ernie dusting, and I laughed out loud. The culture has changed so
much that we no longer remember children used to do chores. Also, just
to fend it off, children also used to go places without adults. We used
our bikes and our feet. They're not "acting like adults" because they
went places by themselves. They're acting like children of the 70s.
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Verily, in article <105dbeq$21g66$1@dont-email.me>, did daniel47 >@eternal-september.org deliver unto us this message:
On 18/07/2025 2:53 am, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Sorry. "Rule 34 Doctor"??
I blame RTD for the sex-soaked crap. As I've mentioned before, I suspect >> > he wanted to do a Rule 34 Doctor the first time, but the BBC restrained
him and so he created Captain Jack to bang his way across time and
space.
Apparently the BBC got desperate and decided to let him do it. Why oh
why does no one at the BBC actually *like* this iconic show?
I'm not sure if you're asking about Rule 34 ("If it exists, there is
porn of it") or questioning my characterization of the current Doctor as
an overly sexed-up version. If you still like the show, that's fine with
me. I'm not trying to prevent anyone else from watching it.
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On 2025-07-18 09:07:00 +0000, Mickmane said:
On 18.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Mickmane wrote:
On 17.07.25, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Magician's Apprentice.
Still looks Roman to me though. :)
It's supposed to be England in medieval times, but I'm sure
it could be an arena anywhere in the past and serve the same
purpose.
They showed the location on a map early on, but Romans have been in
what's now UK, too. :)
There is even a theory that ancient Romans and/or Greeks made it down
to New Zealand due to the supposed discovery of a few artifacts buried >somewhere in the country's forests.
On 2025-07-18 12:34:45 +0000, solar penguin said:
Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 18/07/2025 6:53 am, Your Name wrote:
Morons have also complained and forced changes to "Noddy", Sesame
Street's Bert and Ernie, "The Famous Five", Roald Dahl's books, etc.
among many many others. :-(
"The Famous Five"?? What the hell was wrong with a group of (five) kids
entertaining themselves, often without ANY adult supervision?? And why
pick on "The Famous Five" without mentioning "The Secret Seven"??
IIRC the fuss was about whether or not George is transgender.
In the recent, rather dull, series of TV-movies, George and her mother
are played by black actresses to appease the Politically Correct
whiners and tick the boxes on the quota lists.
Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 18/07/2025 6:53 am, Your Name wrote:
Morons have also complained and forced changes to "Noddy", Sesame
Street's Bert and Ernie, "The Famous Five", Roald Dahl's books, etc.
among many many others.  :-(
"The Famous Five"?? What the hell was wrong with a group of (five) kids
entertaining themselves, often without ANY adult supervision?? And why
pick on "The Famous Five" without mentioning "The Secret Seven"??
IIRC the fuss was about whether or not George is transgender.
Verily, in article <105dbeq$21g66$1@dont-email.me>, did daniel47 @eternal-september.org deliver unto us this message:--
On 18/07/2025 2:53 am, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Sorry. "Rule 34 Doctor"??
I blame RTD for the sex-soaked crap. As I've mentioned before, I suspect >>> he wanted to do a Rule 34 Doctor the first time, but the BBC restrained
him and so he created Captain Jack to bang his way across time and
space.
Apparently the BBC got desperate and decided to let him do it. Why oh
why does no one at the BBC actually *like* this iconic show?
I'm not sure if you're asking about Rule 34 ("If it exists, there is
porn of it") or questioning my characterization of the current Doctor as
an overly sexed-up version. If you still like the show, that's fine with
me. I'm not trying to prevent anyone else from watching it.
I've got no idea what you mean by "Rule 34 Doctor".
On 19/07/2025 3:05 am, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Verily, in article <105dbeq$21g66$1@dont-email.me>, did daniel47
@eternal-september.org deliver unto us this message:
On 18/07/2025 2:53 am, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Sorry. "Rule 34 Doctor"??
I blame RTD for the sex-soaked crap. As I've mentioned before, I suspect >>>> he wanted to do a Rule 34 Doctor the first time, but the BBC restrained >>>> him and so he created Captain Jack to bang his way across time and
space.
Apparently the BBC got desperate and decided to let him do it. Why oh
why does no one at the BBC actually *like* this iconic show?
I'm not sure if you're asking about Rule 34 ("If it exists, there is
porn of it") or questioning my characterization of the current Doctor as
an overly sexed-up version. If you still like the show, that's fine with
me. I'm not trying to prevent anyone else from watching it.
I've got no idea what you mean by "Rule 34 Doctor".
--
Daniel70
Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 18/07/2025 6:53 am, Your Name wrote:
Morons have also complained and forced changes to "Noddy",
Sesame Street's Bert and Ernie, "The Famous Five", Roald
Dahl's books, etc. among many many others.  :-(
"The Famous Five"?? What the hell was wrong with a group of
(five) kids entertaining themselves, often without ANY adult
supervision?? And why pick on "The Famous Five" without
mentioning "The Secret Seven"??
IIRC the fuss was about whether or not George is transgender.
solar penguin wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 18/07/2025 6:53 am, Your Name wrote:
Morons have also complained and forced changes to "Noddy",
Sesame Street's Bert and Ernie, "The Famous Five", Roald
Dahl's books, etc. among many many others.  :-(
"The Famous Five"?? What the hell was wrong with a group of
(five) kids entertaining themselves, often without ANY adult
supervision?? And why pick on "The Famous Five" without
mentioning "The Secret Seven"??
IIRC the fuss was about whether or not George is transgender.
They took out words like "Gay" which was used back then as a way
of describing happy/carefree... I think there was a "nigger" too
(when somebody came down a chimney covered in soot.) Small words
here and there. What the publishers would call modernisations.
On 18/07/2025 10:34 pm, solar penguin wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 18/07/2025 6:53 am, Your Name wrote:
Morons have also complained and forced changes to "Noddy", Sesame
Street's Bert and Ernie, "The Famous Five", Roald Dahl's books, etc.
among many many others. :-(
"The Famous Five"?? What the hell was wrong with a group of (five) kids
entertaining themselves, often without ANY adult supervision?? And why
pick on "The Famous Five" without mentioning "The Secret Seven"??
IIRC the fuss was about whether or not George is transgender.
Oh!! Even way back then that was a topic of conversation, was it??
Verily, in article <105etsl$1nhe$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
I once heard a younger person assert that they must be adults because
he saw Ernie dusting, and I laughed out loud. The culture has changed so >>> much that we no longer remember children used to do chores. Also, just
to fend it off, children also used to go places without adults. We used
our bikes and our feet. They're not "acting like adults" because they
went places by themselves. They're acting like children of the 70s.
You must be in your 50s.
Yep, 57. I'll never be too old for Doctor Who, though.
Verily, in article <105etsl$1nhe$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did >doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
heI once heard a younger person assert that they must be adults because
saw Ernie dusting, and I laughed out loud. The culture has changed so
much that we no longer remember children used to do chores. Also, just
to fend it off, children also used to go places without adults. We used
our bikes and our feet. They're not "acting like adults" because they
went places by themselves. They're acting like children of the 70s.
You must be in your 50s.
Yep, 57. I'll never be too old for Doctor Who, though.
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On 2025-07-19 11:35:34 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 18/07/2025 10:34 pm, solar penguin wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 18/07/2025 6:53 am, Your Name wrote:
Morons have also complained and forced changes to "Noddy", Sesame
Street's Bert and Ernie, "The Famous Five", Roald Dahl's books, etc. >>>>> among many many others. :-(
"The Famous Five"?? What the hell was wrong with a group of (five) kids >>>> entertaining themselves, often without ANY adult supervision?? And why >>>> pick on "The Famous Five" without mentioning "The Secret Seven"??
IIRC the fuss was about whether or not George is transgender.
Oh!! Even way back then that was a topic of conversation, was it??
In some places George is described as:
"George is a girl, with a boyish lean. She is a tomboy and
insists that people call her George. With her short hair
and boy's clothes she is often mistaken for a boy, which
pleases her enormously."
There is also this:
"Did you know the feisty George in the Famous Five books
was based on a real girl? Author Enid Blyton explains:
'The real George was short-haired, freckled, sturdy, and
snub-nosed. She was bold and daring, hot-tempered and
loyal. She was sulky, as George is, too, but she isn't
now. We grow out of those failings - or we should! Do
you like George? I do."
And it turns out later in her life Enid admitted that
that girl was infact herself! It is said that Enid Blyton
confessed to a literary agent that George was based on
herself."
On 2025-07-19 17:52:43 +0000, Melissa Hollingsworth said:
Verily, in article <105etsl$1nhe$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
I once heard a younger person assert that they must be adults because
he saw Ernie dusting, and I laughed out loud. The culture has changed so >>>> much that we no longer remember children used to do chores. Also, just >>>> to fend it off, children also used to go places without adults. We used >>>> our bikes and our feet. They're not "acting like adults" because they
went places by themselves. They're acting like children of the 70s.
You must be in your 50s.
Yep, 57. I'll never be too old for Doctor Who, though.
According to Ncuti Gatwa's defitions of "old", that would make you
either ancient or prehistoric. ;-)
Verily, in article <105h7gl$2vr28$1@dont-email.me>, did
YourName@YourISP.com deliver unto us this message:
On 2025-07-19 17:52:43 +0000, Melissa Hollingsworth said:
Yep, 57. I'll never be too old for Doctor Who, though.
According to Ncuti Gatwa's defitions of "old", that would make you
either ancient or prehistoric. ;-)
LOL! Not to worry. I plan to regenerate.
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