• Re: [NEWS] "Doctor Who: C

    From The True Doctor@21:1/5 to Dumas Walker on Thu Jul 31 01:17:16 2025
    On 30/07/2025 10:53, Dumas Walker wrote:
    Verity Lambert was a producer not a writer. My opening statement
    still
    stands. Look at the mess Kathleen Kennedy has made of Star Wars after
    she tried to interfere with the writing. She didn't have a clue what
    a
    trilogy was and claimed that there was no source material to base it
    on
    despite the existence oh hundreds of Extended Universe novels and
    comics
    which she obviously hadn't heard of and didn't understand. She still
    understands nothing about the hero's journey and tried to make Star
    Wars
    for 12 year-old girls of very low intelligence, rather than it's
    natural
    audience of intelligent boys and men from the age of 6 who understand
    the hero's journey and intelligent adult heterosexual females who
    will
    watch it because of the presence of strong, masculine and heroic male
    characters that they can fancy.

    Kennedy must have had some access to "source material" as the first

    But not the Extended Universe of material otherwise she would have
    followed the Thrawn Trilogy or another highly regarded sequel to Return
    of the Jedi.

    movie under her felt an awful lot like a re-telling of "A New Hope,"
    with
    different characters, and was certainly nothing new.


    She told Jar Jar Abrams to remake A New Hope despite not understanding
    what A New Hope was based on an what it was supposed to be about. It
    wasn't about stupid mystery box that contained absolutely nothing which
    is basically what everything Abrams has ever made has been. Just look at
    Alias and Lost.

    I was very disappointed when Disney (probably Kennedy) stated that all
    of
    the officially licensed material that wasn't included in the first six
    movies was not cannon. That really tempered my excitement about seeing
    the
    franchise continue. I still have not watched chapter 8 or 9.


    It took me years to finally watch 9 and it wasn't Star Wars. It was more
    like a bad Indiana Jones movie. Jar Jar didn't have a clue about Star
    Wars just like he didn't have a clue about Star Trek.


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  • From The True Doctor@21:1/5 to Your Name on Thu Jul 31 01:30:50 2025
    On 31/07/2025 00:26, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-07-30 10:53:30 +0000, Dumas Walker said:

    Verity Lambert was a producer not a writer. My opening statement
    still stands. Look at the mess Kathleen Kennedy has made of Star Wars
    after
    she tried to interfere with the writing. She didn't have a clue what
    a trilogy was and claimed that there was no source material to base it
    on despite the existence oh hundreds of Extended Universe novels and
    comics which she obviously hadn't heard of and didn't understand. She
    still
    understands nothing about the hero's journey and tried to make Star
    Wars for 12 year-old girls of very low intelligence, rather than it's
    natural audience of intelligent boys and men from the age of 6 who
    understand the hero's journey and intelligent adult heterosexual
    females who
    will watch it because of the presence of strong, masculine and heroic
    male
    characters that they can fancy.

    Kennedy must have had some access to "source material" as the first
    movie under her felt an awful lot like a re-telling of "A New Hope,"
    with different characters, and was certainly nothing new.

    Yep. The supposed "Sequel Trilogy" was really just a lazy rehash (or
    "reboot" in Hollyweird-speak) of the Original Trilogy movies, with silly Politically Correct changes, thanks to Kathleen Kennedy's interferrence,
    like changing the main character from male Luke to female Rey.


    The main characters were Luke, Han, and Leia and the first movie should
    have been based mainly around them while introducing their children as
    the new main protagonists for the next movie. Star Wars was supposed to
    be the Skywalker Saga, not the Palpataine Saga.



    I was very disappointed when Disney (probably Kennedy) stated that all
    of the officially licensed material that wasn't included in the first
    six movies was not cannon.  That really tempered my excitement about
    seeing the franchise continue.

    It was always going to be a bad idea to let Disney take over the
    franchise. Disney is money-grubbing and had no real idea about "Star
    Wars" nor what to do with it. They simply keep churning out more and

    Disney bought Star Wars to bring in boys and men to their audience but
    instead they made it for 12 year old girls of very low intelligence and
    drove away most of the original male audience, while failing to bring in
    any girls to replace them, because Star Wars is not and was never for
    girls. Star Wars is for boys and men and for adult women with intelligence.

    more spin-offs, most of which have been pretty bad. Kathleen Kennedy's
    silly Politically Correct ideals just made things even worse.


    On top of falsely claiming there was no source material she threw all of
    George Lucas's treatments for episodes 7 to 9 into the bin without even bothering to read them. Does she even have a certificate to prove that
    she has the reading ability expected when you leave school?


    It's also why letting Disney anywhere near Doctor Who was an equally bad idea, although Doctor Who had already succumbed to silly Political Correctness before that.



    I still have not watched chapter 8 or 9.

    There are plans to make another movie based around the character of Rey,
    but it won't be part of the main now-9-movie Saga.

    Kennedy is totally incompetent. What is she blackmail Disney with to
    stop her being sacked? Isn't she long past retirement age?

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Dumas Walker on Thu Jul 31 00:45:38 2025
    In article <753890925@darkrealms.ca>,
    Dumas Walker <NOSPAM.Dumas.Walker@darkrealms.ca> wrote:
    Verity Lambert was a producer not a writer. My opening statement
    still
    stands. Look at the mess Kathleen Kennedy has made of Star Wars after
    she tried to interfere with the writing. She didn't have a clue what
    a
    trilogy was and claimed that there was no source material to base it
    on
    despite the existence oh hundreds of Extended Universe novels and
    comics
    which she obviously hadn't heard of and didn't understand. She still
    understands nothing about the hero's journey and tried to make Star
    Wars
    for 12 year-old girls of very low intelligence, rather than it's
    natural
    audience of intelligent boys and men from the age of 6 who understand
    the hero's journey and intelligent adult heterosexual females who
    will
    watch it because of the presence of strong, masculine and heroic male
    characters that they can fancy.

    Kennedy must have had some access to "source material" as the first
    movie under her felt an awful lot like a re-telling of "A New Hope,"
    with
    different characters, and was certainly nothing new.

    I was very disappointed when Disney (probably Kennedy) stated that all
    of
    the officially licensed material that wasn't included in the first six
    movies was not cannon. That really tempered my excitement about seeing
    the
    franchise continue. I still have not watched chapter 8 or 9.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Lye, Cheetham, and Steele: Attorneys at Law

    Still a flop.
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to YourName@YourISP.com on Thu Jul 31 00:48:19 2025
    In article <106e9n7$3fmum$1@dont-email.me>,
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2025-07-30 10:53:30 +0000, Dumas Walker said:

    Verity Lambert was a producer not a writer. My opening statement
    still stands. Look at the mess Kathleen Kennedy has made of Star Wars after >>> she tried to interfere with the writing. She didn't have a clue what
    a trilogy was and claimed that there was no source material to base it
    on despite the existence oh hundreds of Extended Universe novels and
    comics which she obviously hadn't heard of and didn't understand. She still >>> understands nothing about the hero's journey and tried to make Star
    Wars for 12 year-old girls of very low intelligence, rather than it's
    natural audience of intelligent boys and men from the age of 6 who
    understand the hero's journey and intelligent adult heterosexual
    females who
    will watch it because of the presence of strong, masculine and heroic male >>> characters that they can fancy.

    Kennedy must have had some access to "source material" as the first
    movie under her felt an awful lot like a re-telling of "A New Hope,"
    with different characters, and was certainly nothing new.

    Yep. The supposed "Sequel Trilogy" was really just a lazy rehash (or
    "reboot" in Hollyweird-speak) of the Original Trilogy movies, with
    silly Politically Correct changes, thanks to Kathleen Kennedy's >interferrence, like changing the main character from male Luke to
    female Rey.



    I was very disappointed when Disney (probably Kennedy) stated that all
    of the officially licensed material that wasn't included in the first
    six movies was not cannon. That really tempered my excitement about
    seeing the franchise continue.

    It was always going to be a bad idea to let Disney take over the
    franchise. Disney is money-grubbing and had no real idea about "Star
    Wars" nor what to do with it. They simply keep churning out more and
    more spin-offs, most of which have been pretty bad. Kathleen Kennedy's
    silly Politically Correct ideals just made things even worse.

    It's also why letting Disney anywhere near Doctor Who was an equally
    bad idea, although Doctor Who had already succumbed to silly Political >Correctness before that.



    I still have not watched chapter 8 or 9.

    There are plans to make another movie based around the character of
    Rey, but it won't be part of the main now-9-movie Saga.




    Thankfully!
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM on Thu Jul 31 00:53:48 2025
    In article <106ecmd$3em56$8@dont-email.me>,
    The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
    On 30/07/2025 10:53, Dumas Walker wrote:
    Verity Lambert was a producer not a writer. My opening statement
    still
    stands. Look at the mess Kathleen Kennedy has made of Star Wars after
    she tried to interfere with the writing. She didn't have a clue what
    a
    trilogy was and claimed that there was no source material to base it
    on
    despite the existence oh hundreds of Extended Universe novels and
    comics
    which she obviously hadn't heard of and didn't understand. She still
    understands nothing about the hero's journey and tried to make Star
    Wars
    for 12 year-old girls of very low intelligence, rather than it's
    natural
    audience of intelligent boys and men from the age of 6 who understand
    the hero's journey and intelligent adult heterosexual females who
    will
    watch it because of the presence of strong, masculine and heroic male
    characters that they can fancy.

    Kennedy must have had some access to "source material" as the first

    But not the Extended Universe of material otherwise she would have
    followed the Thrawn Trilogy or another highly regarded sequel to Return
    of the Jedi.

    movie under her felt an awful lot like a re-telling of "A New Hope,"
    with
    different characters, and was certainly nothing new.


    She told Jar Jar Abrams to remake A New Hope despite not understanding
    what A New Hope was based on an what it was supposed to be about. It
    wasn't about stupid mystery box that contained absolutely nothing which
    is basically what everything Abrams has ever made has been. Just look at >Alias and Lost.

    I was very disappointed when Disney (probably Kennedy) stated that all
    of
    the officially licensed material that wasn't included in the first six
    movies was not cannon. That really tempered my excitement about seeing
    the
    franchise continue. I still have not watched chapter 8 or 9.


    It took me years to finally watch 9 and it wasn't Star Wars. It was more
    like a bad Indiana Jones movie. Jar Jar didn't have a clue about Star
    Wars just like he didn't have a clue about Star Trek.


    palatine revived did it for me.


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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM on Thu Jul 31 00:57:59 2025
    In article <106edfq$3em56$9@dont-email.me>,
    The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
    On 31/07/2025 00:26, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-07-30 10:53:30 +0000, Dumas Walker said:

    Verity Lambert was a producer not a writer. My opening statement
    still stands. Look at the mess Kathleen Kennedy has made of Star Wars
    after
    she tried to interfere with the writing. She didn't have a clue what
    a trilogy was and claimed that there was no source material to base it >>>> on despite the existence oh hundreds of Extended Universe novels and
    comics which she obviously hadn't heard of and didn't understand. She
    still
    understands nothing about the hero's journey and tried to make Star
    Wars for 12 year-old girls of very low intelligence, rather than it's
    natural audience of intelligent boys and men from the age of 6 who
    understand the hero's journey and intelligent adult heterosexual
    females who
    will watch it because of the presence of strong, masculine and heroic
    male
    characters that they can fancy.

    Kennedy must have had some access to "source material" as the first
    movie under her felt an awful lot like a re-telling of "A New Hope,"
    with different characters, and was certainly nothing new.

    Yep. The supposed "Sequel Trilogy" was really just a lazy rehash (or
    "reboot" in Hollyweird-speak) of the Original Trilogy movies, with silly
    Politically Correct changes, thanks to Kathleen Kennedy's interferrence,
    like changing the main character from male Luke to female Rey.


    The main characters were Luke, Han, and Leia and the first movie should
    have been based mainly around them while introducing their children as
    the new main protagonists for the next movie. Star Wars was supposed to
    be the Skywalker Saga, not the Palpataine Saga.



    I was very disappointed when Disney (probably Kennedy) stated that all
    of the officially licensed material that wasn't included in the first
    six movies was not cannon.  That really tempered my excitement about
    seeing the franchise continue.

    It was always going to be a bad idea to let Disney take over the
    franchise. Disney is money-grubbing and had no real idea about "Star
    Wars" nor what to do with it. They simply keep churning out more and

    Disney bought Star Wars to bring in boys and men to their audience but >instead they made it for 12 year old girls of very low intelligence and
    drove away most of the original male audience, while failing to bring in
    any girls to replace them, because Star Wars is not and was never for
    girls. Star Wars is for boys and men and for adult women with intelligence.

    more spin-offs, most of which have been pretty bad. Kathleen Kennedy's
    silly Politically Correct ideals just made things even worse.


    On top of falsely claiming there was no source material she threw all of >George Lucas's treatments for episodes 7 to 9 into the bin without even >bothering to read them. Does she even have a certificate to prove that
    she has the reading ability expected when you leave school?


    It's also why letting Disney anywhere near Doctor Who was an equally bad
    idea, although Doctor Who had already succumbed to silly Political
    Correctness before that.



    I still have not watched chapter 8 or 9.

    There are plans to make another movie based around the character of Rey,
    but it won't be part of the main now-9-movie Saga.

    Kennedy is totally incompetent. What is she blackmail Disney with to
    stop her being sacked? Isn't she long past retirement age?


    rec.arts.sf.starwars is around the corner IIRC.

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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Dumas Walker on Thu Jul 31 21:56:19 2025
    On 30/07/2025 10:53 am, Dumas Walker wrote:
    Verity Lambert was a producer not a writer. My opening statement
    still stands. Look at the mess Kathleen Kennedy has made of Star
    Wars after she tried to interfere with the writing. She didn't have
    a clue what a trilogy was and claimed that there was no source
    material to base it on despite the existence oh hundreds of
    Extended Universe novels and comics which she obviously hadn't
    heard of and didn't understand. She still understands nothing about
    the hero's journey and tried to make Star Wars for 12 year-old
    girls of very low intelligence, rather than it's natural audience
    of intelligent boys and men from the age of 6 who understand the
    hero's journey and intelligent adult heterosexual females who will
    watch it because of the presence of strong, masculine and heroic
    male characters that they can fancy.

    Kennedy must have had some access to "source material" as the first
    movie under her felt an awful lot like a re-telling of "A New Hope,"
    with different characters, and was certainly nothing new.

    I was very disappointed when Disney (probably Kennedy) stated that
    all of the officially licensed material that wasn't included in the
    first six movies was not cannon. That really tempered my excitement
    about seeing the franchise continue. I still have not watched
    chapter 8 or 9.

    When you refer to 'chapter 8 or 9' here, do you mean the fifth and sixth
    movies to be released or to the end of the third trilogy of the Star
    Wars films??
    --
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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 31 12:13:30 2025
    Daniel70 wrote:

    On 30/07/2025 10:53 am, Dumas Walker wrote:

    Kennedy must have had some access to "source material" as
    the first movie under her felt an awful lot like a
    re-telling of "A New Hope," with different characters, and
    was certainly nothing new.

    I was very disappointed when Disney (probably Kennedy)
    stated that all of the officially licensed material that
    wasn't included in the first six movies was not cannon.
    That really tempered my excitement about seeing the
    franchise continue. I still have not watched chapter 8 or 9.

    When you refer to 'chapter 8 or 9' here, do you mean the
    fifth and sixth movies to be released or to the end of
    the third trilogy of the Star Wars films??

    Star Wars Chapter's (Episodes) eight and nine are the last
    two Star Wars films made... "The Last Jedi" in 2017 and
    "Rise of the Skywalker" in 2019. Both were made by Disney
    and they did not receive great acclaim from some within Star
    Wars fandom. So yes, it would mean the end of the third trilogy.

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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Thu Jul 31 23:04:31 2025
    On 31/07/2025 10:13 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    On 30/07/2025 10:53 am, Dumas Walker wrote:

    Kennedy must have had some access to "source material" as
    the first movie under her felt an awful lot like a
    re-telling of "A New Hope," with different characters, and
    was certainly nothing new.

    I was very disappointed when Disney (probably Kennedy)
    stated that all of the officially licensed material that
    wasn't included in the first six movies was not cannon.
    That really tempered my excitement about seeing the
    franchise continue. I still have not watched chapter 8 or 9.

    When you refer to 'chapter 8 or 9' here, do you mean the
    fifth and sixth movies to be released or to the end of
    the third trilogy of the Star Wars films??

    Star Wars Chapter's (Episodes) eight and nine are the last
    two Star Wars films made... "The Last Jedi" in 2017 and
    "Rise of the Skywalker" in 2019. Both were made by Disney
    and they did not receive great acclaim from some within Star
    Wars fandom. So yes, it would mean the end of the third trilogy.

    Make up your mind, Blueshirt. Remember "Star Wars:A New Hope" was
    actually Chapter Four in George Lucas' Nine Chapter treatment.

    Chap Four first, then (when 'they' released they were 'ON' a winner)
    Five, then Six, then Seven, then Eight then Nine .... then, eventually,
    the first three Chapters and all the other add-on stuff.

    If, as you suggest, the Ninth film released was "Rise of the Skywalker"
    that would lead in nicely to the first film released, Chapter Four, "A
    New Hope", which was about Luke Skywalker starting out.
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Thu Jul 31 13:16:18 2025
    In article <xn0p8y824709wrt004@post.eweka.nl>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:

    On 30/07/2025 10:53 am, Dumas Walker wrote:

    Kennedy must have had some access to "source material" as
    the first movie under her felt an awful lot like a
    re-telling of "A New Hope," with different characters, and
    was certainly nothing new.

    I was very disappointed when Disney (probably Kennedy)
    stated that all of the officially licensed material that
    wasn't included in the first six movies was not cannon.
    That really tempered my excitement about seeing the
    franchise continue. I still have not watched chapter 8 or 9.

    When you refer to 'chapter 8 or 9' here, do you mean the
    fifth and sixth movies to be released or to the end of
    the third trilogy of the Star Wars films??

    Star Wars Chapter's (Episodes) eight and nine are the last
    two Star Wars films made... "The Last Jedi" in 2017 and
    "Rise of the Skywalker" in 2019. Both were made by Disney
    and they did not receive great acclaim from some within Star
    Wars fandom. So yes, it would mean the end of the third trilogy.

    Man Lucas walks!
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to daniel47@eternal-september.org on Thu Jul 31 13:14:55 2025
    In article <106fll1$3oj0f$1@dont-email.me>,
    Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
    On 30/07/2025 10:53 am, Dumas Walker wrote:
    Verity Lambert was a producer not a writer. My opening statement
    still stands. Look at the mess Kathleen Kennedy has made of Star
    Wars after she tried to interfere with the writing. She didn't have
    a clue what a trilogy was and claimed that there was no source
    material to base it on despite the existence oh hundreds of
    Extended Universe novels and comics which she obviously hadn't
    heard of and didn't understand. She still understands nothing about
    the hero's journey and tried to make Star Wars for 12 year-old
    girls of very low intelligence, rather than it's natural audience
    of intelligent boys and men from the age of 6 who understand the
    hero's journey and intelligent adult heterosexual females who will
    watch it because of the presence of strong, masculine and heroic
    male characters that they can fancy.

    Kennedy must have had some access to "source material" as the first
    movie under her felt an awful lot like a re-telling of "A New Hope,"
    with different characters, and was certainly nothing new.

    I was very disappointed when Disney (probably Kennedy) stated that
    all of the officially licensed material that wasn't included in the
    first six movies was not cannon. That really tempered my excitement
    about seeing the franchise continue. I still have not watched
    chapter 8 or 9.

    When you refer to 'chapter 8 or 9' here, do you mean the fifth and sixth >movies to be released or to the end of the third trilogy of the Star
    Wars films??
    --
    Daniel70

    As in the last 2?
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to daniel47@eternal-september.org on Thu Jul 31 13:18:55 2025
    In article <106fpl0$3pf7f$1@dont-email.me>,
    Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
    On 31/07/2025 10:13 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    On 30/07/2025 10:53 am, Dumas Walker wrote:

    Kennedy must have had some access to "source material" as
    the first movie under her felt an awful lot like a
    re-telling of "A New Hope," with different characters, and
    was certainly nothing new.

    I was very disappointed when Disney (probably Kennedy)
    stated that all of the officially licensed material that
    wasn't included in the first six movies was not cannon.
    That really tempered my excitement about seeing the
    franchise continue. I still have not watched chapter 8 or 9.

    When you refer to 'chapter 8 or 9' here, do you mean the
    fifth and sixth movies to be released or to the end of
    the third trilogy of the Star Wars films??

    Star Wars Chapter's (Episodes) eight and nine are the last
    two Star Wars films made... "The Last Jedi" in 2017 and
    "Rise of the Skywalker" in 2019. Both were made by Disney
    and they did not receive great acclaim from some within Star
    Wars fandom. So yes, it would mean the end of the third trilogy.

    Make up your mind, Blueshirt. Remember "Star Wars:A New Hope" was
    actually Chapter Four in George Lucas' Nine Chapter treatment.

    Chap Four first, then (when 'they' released they were 'ON' a winner)
    Five, then Six, then Seven, then Eight then Nine .... then, eventually,
    the first three Chapters and all the other add-on stuff.

    If, as you suggest, the Ninth film released was "Rise of the Skywalker"
    that would lead in nicely to the first film released, Chapter Four, "A
    New Hope", which was about Luke Skywalker starting out.
    --
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    Starting out and not knowing it.
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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 31 13:30:11 2025
    Daniel70 wrote:

    On 31/07/2025 10:13 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    On 30/07/2025 10:53 am, Dumas Walker wrote:

    I was very disappointed when Disney (probably Kennedy)
    stated that all of the officially licensed material that
    wasn't included in the first six movies was not cannon.
    That really tempered my excitement about seeing the
    franchise continue. I still have not watched chapter 8
    or 9.

    When you refer to 'chapter 8 or 9' here, do you mean the
    fifth and sixth movies to be released or to the end of
    the third trilogy of the Star Wars films??

    Star Wars Chapter's (Episodes) eight and nine are the last
    two Star Wars films made... "The Last Jedi" in 2017 and
    "Rise of the Skywalker" in 2019. Both were made by Disney
    and they did not receive great acclaim from some within Star
    Wars fandom. So yes, it would mean the end of the third
    trilogy.

    Make up your mind, Blueshirt. Remember "Star Wars:A New Hope"
    was actually Chapter Four in George Lucas' Nine Chapter
    treatment.

    Chap Four first, then (when 'they' released they were 'ON' a
    winner) Five, then Six, then Seven, then Eight then Nine ....
    then, eventually, the first three Chapters and all the other
    add-on stuff.

    Er no, it went Episode 4,5 and 6... then 1,2 and 3, ... 7, 8 and
    9 are in the correct order whatever way you look at it!!!

    Some people 'could' get confused with the first two movie
    trilogies but the last trilogy cannot change its order.

    If, as you suggest, the Ninth film released was "Rise of the
    Skywalker"

    "Rise of the Skywalker" WAS the ninth Star Wars film released!!!

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Thu Jul 31 13:54:51 2025
    In article <xn0p8ya4b73448r000@post.eweka.nl>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:

    On 31/07/2025 10:13 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    On 30/07/2025 10:53 am, Dumas Walker wrote:

    I was very disappointed when Disney (probably Kennedy)
    stated that all of the officially licensed material that
    wasn't included in the first six movies was not cannon.
    That really tempered my excitement about seeing the
    franchise continue. I still have not watched chapter 8
    or 9.

    When you refer to 'chapter 8 or 9' here, do you mean the
    fifth and sixth movies to be released or to the end of
    the third trilogy of the Star Wars films??

    Star Wars Chapter's (Episodes) eight and nine are the last
    two Star Wars films made... "The Last Jedi" in 2017 and
    "Rise of the Skywalker" in 2019. Both were made by Disney
    and they did not receive great acclaim from some within Star
    Wars fandom. So yes, it would mean the end of the third
    trilogy.

    Make up your mind, Blueshirt. Remember "Star Wars:A New Hope"
    was actually Chapter Four in George Lucas' Nine Chapter
    treatment.

    Chap Four first, then (when 'they' released they were 'ON' a
    winner) Five, then Six, then Seven, then Eight then Nine ....
    then, eventually, the first three Chapters and all the other
    add-on stuff.

    Er no, it went Episode 4,5 and 6... then 1,2 and 3, ... 7, 8 and
    9 are in the correct order whatever way you look at it!!!

    Some people 'could' get confused with the first two movie
    trilogies but the last trilogy cannot change its order.

    If, as you suggest, the Ninth film released was "Rise of the
    Skywalker"

    "Rise of the Skywalker" WAS the ninth Star Wars film released!!!


    Looks correct to me.
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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 31 10:41:33 2025
    Plus there was a lot of modern messaging interwoven throughout
    the scripts, sometimes to the detriment of the story... the
    message was often prominent whilst the plot details were scarce.

    That was part of my problem with the Chibnall era. I didn't necessarily
    mind the messages, but they took up so much time with some of them that
    the
    resolution of that episode's story would feel hurried and tacked on.
    Like
    they realized, "oh, yeah, don't we need to resolve the issue we started
    with in the two minutes we have left?"


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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Dumas Walker on Thu Jul 31 18:58:14 2025
    Dumas Walker wrote:

    Plus there was a lot of modern messaging interwoven
    throughout the scripts, sometimes to the detriment of the
    story... the message was often prominent whilst the plot
    details were scarce.

    That was part of my problem with the Chibnall era. I didn't
    necessarily mind the messages, but they took up so much time
    with some of them that the resolution of that episode's story
    would feel hurried and tacked on.

    That sums up the latest RTD era in a nutshell... it's not about
    the 'message' per se, it's the fact it takes over the narrative
    and the rest of the story becomes inconsequential... with weak
    plots and stuff left unexplained.

    It's almost like RTD starts his blank page with the message he
    wants to send (aka virtue signal) and then puts the story around
    it, and if stuff doesn't fit properly he waves it away as a
    minor plot detail and moves on. There's a 'message' in "The
    Green Death" but there's also a damn good story!

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Dumas Walker on Fri Aug 1 09:01:25 2025
    On 2025-07-31 10:41:33 +0000, Dumas Walker said:

    It took me years to finally watch 9 and it wasn't Star Wars. It was
    more like a bad Indiana Jones movie. Jar Jar didn't have a clue about
    Star Wars just like he didn't have a clue about Star Trek.

    palatine revived did it for me.

    That was very lazy. I have not seen 8 or 9 but do know that he comes back.

    Palpatine returned in the books / comics long before Disney came along,
    who simply copied the idea. Palpatine basically returns in a clone
    body, as explained (briefly) in the novelisation of Episode 9. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HplDDvc2fOE>

    Of course, Palpatine is not the only one who returns from the dead.
    Darth Maul also returned in the books, comics, and animated shows
    (including his own new animated show next year, "Star Wars: Darth Maul
    - Shadow Lord").

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Dumas Walker on Fri Aug 1 09:08:56 2025
    On 2025-07-31 10:41:33 +0000, Dumas Walker said:

    The main characters were Luke, Han, and Leia and the first movie should
    have been based mainly around them while introducing their children as
    the new main protagonists for the next movie. Star Wars was supposed to
    be the Skywalker Saga, not the Palpataine Saga.

    Good point!

    The two are entwined. Anakin Skywalker was created by the Force because Palpatine (and Plagueis, his Master) were trying to muck about with the
    Force.

    "Plagueis and Palpatine tried to manipulate the force for their
    own desires but the Force didn't like that and so it retaliated
    and created Anakin, the Chosen One."



    On top of falsely claiming there was no source material she threw all
    of George Lucas's treatments for episodes 7 to 9 into the bin without
    even bothering to read them.

    That isn't good. Claiming you have no source material after you've decided to throw it out (for whatever reason) is dishonest at best.

    In some ways George Lucas' idea wasn't really that much better either.
    It brought back Darth Maul as the now top Sith baddie (although Maul
    had already been brought back by the books / comics).

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 1 09:32:52 2025
    On 2025-07-31 11:56:19 +0000, Daniel70 said:
    On 30/07/2025 10:53 am, Dumas Walker wrote:
    Verity Lambert was a producer not a writer. My opening statement still
    stands. Look at the mess Kathleen Kennedy has made of Star
    Wars after she tried to interfere with the writing. She didn't have
    a clue what a trilogy was and claimed that there was no source
    material to base it on despite the existence oh hundreds of
    Extended Universe novels and comics which she obviously hadn't
    heard of and didn't understand. She still understands nothing about
    the hero's journey and tried to make Star Wars for 12 year-old
    girls of very low intelligence, rather than it's natural audience
    of intelligent boys and men from the age of 6 who understand the
    hero's journey and intelligent adult heterosexual females who will
    watch it because of the presence of strong, masculine and heroic
    male characters that they can fancy.

    Kennedy must have had some access to "source material" as the first
    movie under her felt an awful lot like a re-telling of "A New Hope,"
    with different characters, and was certainly nothing new.

    I was very disappointed when Disney (probably Kennedy) stated that
    all of the officially licensed material that wasn't included in the
    first six movies was not cannon. That really tempered my excitement
    about seeing the franchise continue. I still have not watched
    chapter 8 or 9.

    When you refer to 'chapter 8 or 9' here, do you mean the fifth and
    sixth movies to be released or to the end of the third trilogy of the
    Star Wars films??

    The "fifth and sixth movies to be released" where Episode II and
    Episode III in the Prequel Trilogy ... so aren't anywhere near "chapter
    8 or 9".

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 1 09:39:23 2025
    On 2025-07-31 13:04:31 +0000, Daniel70 said:
    On 31/07/2025 10:13 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    On 30/07/2025 10:53 am, Dumas Walker wrote:

    Kennedy must have had some access to "source material" as
    the first movie under her felt an awful lot like a
    re-telling of "A New Hope," with different characters, and
    was certainly nothing new.

    I was very disappointed when Disney (probably Kennedy)
    stated that all of the officially licensed material that
    wasn't included in the first six movies was not cannon.
    That really tempered my excitement about seeing the
    franchise continue. I still have not watched chapter 8 or 9.

    When you refer to 'chapter 8 or 9' here, do you mean the
    fifth and sixth movies to be released or to the end of
    the third trilogy of the Star Wars films??

    Star Wars Chapter's (Episodes) eight and nine are the last
    two Star Wars films made... "The Last Jedi" in 2017 and
    "Rise of the Skywalker" in 2019. Both were made by Disney
    and they did not receive great acclaim from some within Star
    Wars fandom. So yes, it would mean the end of the third trilogy.

    Make up your mind, Blueshirt. Remember "Star Wars:A New Hope" was
    actually Chapter Four in George Lucas' Nine Chapter treatment.

    Chap Four first, then (when 'they' released they were 'ON' a winner)
    Five, then Six, then Seven, then Eight then Nine .... then, eventually,
    the first three Chapters and all the other add-on stuff.

    If, as you suggest, the Ninth film released was "Rise of the Skywalker"
    that would lead in nicely to the first film released, Chapter Four, "A
    New Hope", which was about Luke Skywalker starting out.

    You're confused.

    The most recent trilogy was a *Sequel* Trilogy set 30 yerars AFTER the
    original movies ("A New Hope", "The Empire Strikes Back", and "Return
    of the Jedi") - that's why it has an older Luke, Han, and Leia.

    The ninth film in the Saga released *was* "Episode IX: Rise of the
    Skywalker", and it was the final film in both the Sequel Trilogy as
    well the Saga itself (so far! Although current plans are for no more
    episodes in the main Saga, it remains to be seen what greedy Disney
    actually do).

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  • From The True Doctor@21:1/5 to Dumas Walker on Fri Aug 1 04:02:10 2025
    On 31/07/2025 10:41, Dumas Walker wrote:
    Plus there was a lot of modern messaging interwoven throughout
    the scripts, sometimes to the detriment of the story... the
    message was often prominent whilst the plot details were scarce.

    That was part of my problem with the Chibnall era. I didn't necessarily
    mind the messages, but they took up so much time with some of them that
    the

    It's the same single degenerate message in every single episode repeated
    over and over and over again. Racism is bad, sexism is bad, capitalism
    is bad; therefore men are all bad, men are all puny and week, men are
    all socially inept, masculinity is toxic, men must be humiliated,
    emasculated, and degraded to put them in their place, women are superior
    and should make up the entire ruling class, homosexuals are superior
    still, and children should all experiment in homosexuality and enjoy
    being gay.

    resolution of that episode's story would feel hurried and tacked on.
    Like
    they realized, "oh, yeah, don't we need to resolve the issue we started
    with in the two minutes we have left?"


    They don't care about the story or the plot or the characters. All they
    care about is creating a thin shiny wrapper to attract people to the
    product which conceals their sick and degenerate message, which
    otherwise they would have the intelligence to steer well clear of.

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM on Fri Aug 1 03:18:33 2025
    In article <106hani$4vrm$4@dont-email.me>,
    The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
    On 31/07/2025 10:41, Dumas Walker wrote:
    Plus there was a lot of modern messaging interwoven throughout
    the scripts, sometimes to the detriment of the story... the
    message was often prominent whilst the plot details were scarce.

    That was part of my problem with the Chibnall era. I didn't necessarily
    mind the messages, but they took up so much time with some of them that
    the

    It's the same single degenerate message in every single episode repeated
    over and over and over again. Racism is bad, sexism is bad, capitalism
    is bad; therefore men are all bad, men are all puny and week, men are
    all socially inept, masculinity is toxic, men must be humiliated, >emasculated, and degraded to put them in their place, women are superior
    and should make up the entire ruling class, homosexuals are superior
    still, and children should all experiment in homosexuality and enjoy
    being gay.

    resolution of that episode's story would feel hurried and tacked on.
    Like
    they realized, "oh, yeah, don't we need to resolve the issue we started
    with in the two minutes we have left?"


    They don't care about the story or the plot or the characters. All they
    care about is creating a thin shiny wrapper to attract people to the
    product which conceals their sick and degenerate message, which
    otherwise they would have the intelligence to steer well clear of.


    Some people need to wake up and smell the burning coffee.

    --
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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 31 18:25:44 2025
    I was very disappointed when Disney (probably Kennedy) stated that
    all of the officially licensed material that wasn't included in the
    first six movies was not cannon. That really tempered my
    excitement
    about seeing the franchise continue. I still have not watched
    chapter 8 or 9.

    When you refer to 'chapter 8 or 9' here, do you mean the fifth and
    sixth
    movies to be released or to the end of the third trilogy of the Star
    Wars films??

    Sorry, I should probably say "Episode VIII and Episode IX" -- the last
    two
    of the third, Disney trilogy. Episode VII was ok but it didn't fill me
    with excitement to see the next two.


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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Dumas Walker on Fri Aug 1 21:11:15 2025
    On 31/07/2025 6:25 pm, Dumas Walker wrote:
    I was very disappointed when Disney (probably Kennedy) stated
    that all of the officially licensed material that wasn't
    included in the first six movies was not cannon. That really
    tempered my excitement about seeing the franchise continue. I
    still have not watched chapter 8 or 9.

    When you refer to 'chapter 8 or 9' here, do you mean the fifth and
    sixth movies to be released or to the end of the third trilogy of
    the Star Wars films??

    Sorry, I should probably say "Episode VIII and Episode IX" -- the
    last two of the third, Disney trilogy. Episode VII was ok but it
    didn't fill me with excitement to see the next two.

    .... but "Episode VIII and Episode IX" were the last two of *the SECOND Trilogy* .... then 'they' went back and filmed/released Episodes One,
    Two and Three of George Lucas' original storyline.

    Well I'll be buggered!! According to ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars_films

    they did Episodes Four, Five and Six .... then One, Two and Three ....
    then completed it with Seven, Eight and Nine!!

    Sorry for my error.
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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 1 11:19:42 2025
    Daniel70 wrote:

    On 31/07/2025 6:25 pm, Dumas Walker wrote:

    Sorry, I should probably say "Episode VIII and Episode IX"
    -- the last two of the third, Disney trilogy. Episode VII
    was ok but it didn't fill me with excitement to see the
    next two.

    .... but "Episode VIII and Episode IX" were the last two of
    *the SECOND Trilogy* .... then 'they' went back and
    filmed/released Episodes One, Two and Three of George Lucas'
    original storyline.

    I did already explain it to you... in English... :-)

    Well I'll be buggered!! According to ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars_films

    they did Episodes Four, Five and Six .... then One, Two and
    Three .... then completed it with Seven, Eight and Nine!!

    Who needs Wikipedia? RADW is the fount of all knowledge. We are
    geeks, so we know Star Wars stuff. You can get an education here.

    Sorry for my error.

    Old people don't have to apologise for forgetting things... it's
    what we do!!!

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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Fri Aug 1 22:17:29 2025
    On 1/08/2025 9:19 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    On 31/07/2025 6:25 pm, Dumas Walker wrote:

    Sorry, I should probably say "Episode VIII and Episode IX" -- the
    last two of the third, Disney trilogy. Episode VII was ok but it
    didn't fill me with excitement to see the next two.

    .... but "Episode VIII and Episode IX" were the last two of *the
    SECOND Trilogy* .... then 'they' went back and filmed/released
    Episodes One, Two and Three of George Lucas' original storyline.

    I did already explain it to you... in English... :-)

    Well I'll be buggered!! According to ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars_films

    they did Episodes Four, Five and Six .... then One, Two and Three
    .... then completed it with Seven, Eight and Nine!!

    Who needs Wikipedia? RADW is the fount of all knowledge.

    .... but that font of knowledge DISAGREED with *MY* font of knowledge
    .... who would have thunk!!

    We are geeks, so we know Star Wars stuff.

    Then get on over to the 'Star Wars' groups .... or are YOU already there??

    You can get an education here.

    Sorry for my error.

    Old people don't have to apologise for forgetting things... it's what
    we do!!!

    WHAT?? Are you suggesting that "old people" might 'forget' to apologise??
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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 1 12:31:58 2025
    Daniel70 wrote:

    On 1/08/2025 9:19 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:

    Well I'll be buggered!! According to ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars_films

    they did Episodes Four, Five and Six .... then One, Two
    and Three .... then completed it with Seven, Eight and
    Nine!!

    Who needs Wikipedia? RADW is the fount of all knowledge.

    .... but that font of knowledge DISAGREED with MY font of
    knowledge .... who would have thunk!!

    A bit like the trains in the sky eh? ;-)

    We are geeks, so we know Star Wars stuff.

    Then get on over to the 'Star Wars' groups .... or are YOU
    already there??

    Of course.

    Not that much happens over there these days...

    Sorry for my error.

    Old people don't have to apologise for forgetting things...
    it's what we do!!!

    WHAT?? Are you suggesting that "old people" might 'forget' to
    apologise??

    Try reading it again...

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Dumas Walker on Fri Aug 1 12:56:59 2025
    In article <754004578@darkrealms.ca>,
    Dumas Walker <NOSPAM.Dumas.Walker@darkrealms.ca> wrote:
    I was very disappointed when Disney (probably Kennedy) stated that
    all of the officially licensed material that wasn't included in the
    first six movies was not cannon. That really tempered my
    excitement
    about seeing the franchise continue. I still have not watched
    chapter 8 or 9.

    When you refer to 'chapter 8 or 9' here, do you mean the fifth and
    sixth
    movies to be released or to the end of the third trilogy of the Star
    Wars films??

    Sorry, I should probably say "Episode VIII and Episode IX" -- the last
    two
    of the third, Disney trilogy. Episode VII was ok but it didn't fill me
    with excitement to see the next two.


    And with Lucas overrulled by Kennedy ...


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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to daniel47@eternal-september.org on Fri Aug 1 12:57:52 2025
    In article <106i7cj$bid1$1@dont-email.me>,
    Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
    On 31/07/2025 6:25 pm, Dumas Walker wrote:
    I was very disappointed when Disney (probably Kennedy) stated
    that all of the officially licensed material that wasn't
    included in the first six movies was not cannon. That really
    tempered my excitement about seeing the franchise continue. I
    still have not watched chapter 8 or 9.

    When you refer to 'chapter 8 or 9' here, do you mean the fifth and
    sixth movies to be released or to the end of the third trilogy of
    the Star Wars films??

    Sorry, I should probably say "Episode VIII and Episode IX" -- the
    last two of the third, Disney trilogy. Episode VII was ok but it
    didn't fill me with excitement to see the next two.

    .... but "Episode VIII and Episode IX" were the last two of *the SECOND >Trilogy* .... then 'they' went back and filmed/released Episodes One,
    Two and Three of George Lucas' original storyline.

    Well I'll be buggered!! According to ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars_films

    they did Episodes Four, Five and Six .... then One, Two and Three ....
    then completed it with Seven, Eight and Nine!!

    Sorry for my error.

    There you go!

    --
    Daniel70


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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Fri Aug 1 12:58:18 2025
    In article <xn0p90zub8dwfnr000@post.eweka.nl>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:

    On 31/07/2025 6:25 pm, Dumas Walker wrote:

    Sorry, I should probably say "Episode VIII and Episode IX"
    -- the last two of the third, Disney trilogy. Episode VII
    was ok but it didn't fill me with excitement to see the
    next two.

    .... but "Episode VIII and Episode IX" were the last two of
    *the SECOND Trilogy* .... then 'they' went back and
    filmed/released Episodes One, Two and Three of George Lucas'
    original storyline.

    I did already explain it to you... in English... :-)

    Well I'll be buggered!! According to ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars_films

    they did Episodes Four, Five and Six .... then One, Two and
    Three .... then completed it with Seven, Eight and Nine!!

    Who needs Wikipedia? RADW is the fount of all knowledge. We are
    geeks, so we know Star Wars stuff. You can get an education here.

    Sorry for my error.

    Old people don't have to apologise for forgetting things... it's
    what we do!!!


    Dannyboy being a big case in point!
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to daniel47@eternal-september.org on Fri Aug 1 13:02:06 2025
    In article <106ib8r$cf6h$1@dont-email.me>,
    Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
    On 1/08/2025 9:19 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    On 31/07/2025 6:25 pm, Dumas Walker wrote:

    Sorry, I should probably say "Episode VIII and Episode IX" -- the
    last two of the third, Disney trilogy. Episode VII was ok but it
    didn't fill me with excitement to see the next two.

    .... but "Episode VIII and Episode IX" were the last two of *the
    SECOND Trilogy* .... then 'they' went back and filmed/released
    Episodes One, Two and Three of George Lucas' original storyline.

    I did already explain it to you... in English... :-)

    Well I'll be buggered!! According to ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars_films

    they did Episodes Four, Five and Six .... then One, Two and Three
    .... then completed it with Seven, Eight and Nine!!

    Who needs Wikipedia? RADW is the fount of all knowledge.

    .... but that font of knowledge DISAGREED with *MY* font of knowledge
    .... who would have thunk!!

    We are geeks, so we know Star Wars stuff.

    Then get on over to the 'Star Wars' groups .... or are YOU already there??


    rec.arts.sf.starwars.misc is around the corner.

    You can get an education here.

    Sorry for my error.

    Old people don't have to apologise for forgetting things... it's what
    we do!!!

    WHAT?? Are you suggesting that "old people" might 'forget' to apologise??
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Fri Aug 1 13:02:22 2025
    In article <xn0p911nt8ge18u006@post.eweka.nl>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:

    On 1/08/2025 9:19 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:

    Well I'll be buggered!! According to ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars_films

    they did Episodes Four, Five and Six .... then One, Two
    and Three .... then completed it with Seven, Eight and
    Nine!!

    Who needs Wikipedia? RADW is the fount of all knowledge.

    .... but that font of knowledge DISAGREED with MY font of
    knowledge .... who would have thunk!!

    A bit like the trains in the sky eh? ;-)

    We are geeks, so we know Star Wars stuff.

    Then get on over to the 'Star Wars' groups .... or are YOU
    already there??

    Of course.

    Not that much happens over there these days...

    Sorry for my error.

    Old people don't have to apologise for forgetting things...
    it's what we do!!!

    WHAT?? Are you suggesting that "old people" might 'forget' to
    apologise??

    Try reading it again...


    If Dannyboy can.
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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 1 07:51:19 2025
    That was part of my problem with the Chibnall era. I didn't
    necessarily
    mind the messages, but they took up so much time with some of them
    that
    the

    It's the same single degenerate message in every single episode
    repeated
    over and over and over again. Racism is bad, sexism is bad,
    capitalism
    is bad; therefore men are all bad, men are all puny and week, men are
    all socially inept, masculinity is toxic, men must be humiliated, emasculated, and degraded to put them in their place, women are
    superior
    and should make up the entire ruling class, homosexuals are superior
    still, and children should all experiment in homosexuality and enjoy
    being gay.

    Here in the USA (and maybe everywhere) on BBS America, there was a
    spinoff
    during the 12th Doctor's run that was set in a high school. The 12th
    Doctor
    was in the pilot episode. I watched it and it was ok. I watched the
    second
    episode, and the messaging seemed to be all about that last bit. One
    of the
    main characters who, IIRC, was an alien in human form, was gay. That
    didn't
    bother me, but the depictions of intercourse involving a minor did.
    I did not watch it after that and, IIRC, it didn't last long after
    that.


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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Dumas Walker on Fri Aug 1 18:59:27 2025
    Dumas Walker wrote:

    It's almost like RTD starts his blank page with the message
    he wants to send (aka virtue signal) and then puts the story
    around it, and if stuff doesn't fit properly he waves it
    away as a minor plot detail and moves on. There's a
    'message' in "The Green Death" but there's also a damn good
    story!

    I wonder how much of Disney's influence there is in his
    choices?

    Not enough if the reports leaked online are true!

    Although anyone who had read anything that RTD had to say over
    the years would know what his views were. It's not a surprise
    that he wanted to put modern messaging into his stories, but at
    least write a good story first to put them in! It's the silly
    stuff that he thinks everyone wants, but in reality turns out
    they don't actually, that take episode time away from things
    that should be important, like a coherent plot!

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Dumas Walker on Fri Aug 1 23:49:40 2025
    In article <754052941@darkrealms.ca>,
    Dumas Walker <NOSPAM.Dumas.Walker@darkrealms.ca> wrote:
    It's almost like RTD starts his blank page with the message he
    wants to send (aka virtue signal) and then puts the story around
    it, and if stuff doesn't fit properly he waves it away as a
    minor plot detail and moves on. There's a 'message' in "The
    Green Death" but there's also a damn good story!

    I wonder how much of Disney's influence there is in his choices?


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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Fri Aug 1 23:50:42 2025
    In article <xn0p91a9bvovfsm001@post.eweka.nl>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    Dumas Walker wrote:

    It's almost like RTD starts his blank page with the message
    he wants to send (aka virtue signal) and then puts the story
    around it, and if stuff doesn't fit properly he waves it
    away as a minor plot detail and moves on. There's a
    'message' in "The Green Death" but there's also a damn good
    story!

    I wonder how much of Disney's influence there is in his
    choices?

    Not enough if the reports leaked online are true!

    Although anyone who had read anything that RTD had to say over
    the years would know what his views were. It's not a surprise
    that he wanted to put modern messaging into his stories, but at
    least write a good story first to put them in! It's the silly
    stuff that he thinks everyone wants, but in reality turns out
    they don't actually, that take episode time away from things
    that should be important, like a coherent plot!

    Still not popular.
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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 2 19:09:39 2025
    Not enough if the reports leaked online are true!

    Although anyone who had read anything that RTD had to say over
    the years would know what his views were. It's not a surprise
    that he wanted to put modern messaging into his stories, but at
    least write a good story first to put them in! It's the silly
    stuff that he thinks everyone wants, but in reality turns out
    they don't actually, that take episode time away from things
    that should be important, like a coherent plot!

    I agree, there should be a good story and plot first.

    I have to admit something now that I had not realized. When I heard
    that
    RTD was coming back, I had him confused with Steven Moffat. Big
    ooops!!!
    I had high hopes as a result as I have enjoyed some of his past work, especially with Mark Gatiss (on Dr Who and Sherlock).

    So aside from getting rid of Chibnall, it sounds like the Who Universe
    really didn't change for (or revert back to) the better.


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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Dumas Walker on Sun Aug 3 11:22:03 2025
    In article <754180094@darkrealms.ca>,
    Dumas Walker <NOSPAM.Dumas.Walker@darkrealms.ca> wrote:
    Not enough if the reports leaked online are true!

    Although anyone who had read anything that RTD had to say over
    the years would know what his views were. It's not a surprise
    that he wanted to put modern messaging into his stories, but at
    least write a good story first to put them in! It's the silly
    stuff that he thinks everyone wants, but in reality turns out
    they don't actually, that take episode time away from things
    that should be important, like a coherent plot!

    I agree, there should be a good story and plot first.

    I have to admit something now that I had not realized. When I heard
    that
    RTD was coming back, I had him confused with Steven Moffat. Big
    ooops!!!
    I had high hopes as a result as I have enjoyed some of his past work, >especially with Mark Gatiss (on Dr Who and Sherlock).

    So aside from getting rid of Chibnall, it sounds like the Who Universe
    really didn't change for (or revert back to) the better.


    RTD defended the Timeless Child.


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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Dumas Walker on Sun Aug 3 11:24:52 2025
    In article <754180096@darkrealms.ca>,
    Dumas Walker <NOSPAM.Dumas.Walker@darkrealms.ca> wrote:
    Sorry for my error.

    No problem. I had to think about it for a minute to make sure it
    wasn't my
    error. ;)


    It happens.


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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Dumas Walker on Sun Aug 3 12:15:18 2025
    Dumas Walker wrote:

    Although anyone who had read anything that RTD had to say
    over the years would know what his views were. It's not a
    surprise that he wanted to put modern messaging into his
    stories, but at least write a good story first to put them
    in! It's the silly stuff that he thinks everyone wants, but
    in reality turns out they don't actually, that take episode
    time away from things that should be important, like a
    coherent plot!

    I agree, there should be a good story and plot first.

    Of course, RTD might consider that his stories are good and
    they DO have good plots...

    I have to admit something now that I had not realized.
    When I heard that RTD was coming back, I had him confused
    with Steven Moffat. Big ooops!!!

    I doubt it makes any difference who the "Doctor Who" showrunner
    is these days. Most of the television industry, especially the
    BBC, are all about diversity, inclusion and supporting whatever
    minority rights they can. They see it as reflecting the modern
    world we live in. So if it hadn't had been RTD it would have
    been somebody else.

    I had high hopes as a result as I have enjoyed some of his
    past work, especially with Mark Gatiss (on Dr Who and
    Sherlock).

    Some would say the rot started with Steven Moffat... his era
    gave us Missy and the Moon being an egg! ;-)

    So aside from getting rid of Chibnall, it sounds like the
    Who Universe really didn't change for (or revert back to)
    the better.

    Better is not something I'd be getting my hopes up about.

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Sun Aug 3 12:31:26 2025
    In article <xn0p93udp14raj4000@post.eweka.nl>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    Dumas Walker wrote:

    Although anyone who had read anything that RTD had to say
    over the years would know what his views were. It's not a
    surprise that he wanted to put modern messaging into his
    stories, but at least write a good story first to put them
    in! It's the silly stuff that he thinks everyone wants, but
    in reality turns out they don't actually, that take episode
    time away from things that should be important, like a
    coherent plot!

    I agree, there should be a good story and plot first.

    Of course, RTD might consider that his stories are good and
    they DO have good plots...

    I have to admit something now that I had not realized.
    When I heard that RTD was coming back, I had him confused
    with Steven Moffat. Big ooops!!!

    I doubt it makes any difference who the "Doctor Who" showrunner
    is these days. Most of the television industry, especially the
    BBC, are all about diversity, inclusion and supporting whatever
    minority rights they can. They see it as reflecting the modern
    world we live in. So if it hadn't had been RTD it would have
    been somebody else.

    I had high hopes as a result as I have enjoyed some of his
    past work, especially with Mark Gatiss (on Dr Who and
    Sherlock).

    Some would say the rot started with Steven Moffat... his era
    gave us Missy and the Moon being an egg! ;-)

    So aside from getting rid of Chibnall, it sounds like the
    Who Universe really didn't change for (or revert back to)
    the better.

    Better is not something I'd be getting my hopes up about.

    RTD now unpopular.
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