• Re: Fixed Points (Was: The Watcher...)

    From The Doctor@21:1/5 to thetruemelissa@gmail.com on Thu Jul 31 00:34:48 2025
    In article <MPG.42f3e7b0f1b65305989786@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <106d83u$1hm$6@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did >doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:

    In article <xn0p8wsxesgx68z001@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:

    Verily, in article <106bkv8$2tqdb$3@dont-email.me>, did
    agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:

    This entire load of stupid nonsense was first introduced in
    Father's Day. Have you not seen it?

    I've seen it, but not in a long time. I'd forgotten it until
    you mentioned it, but I looked it up and it's coming back.

    I recall liking that one at the time. The fixed points were
    quite a thing to toss so casually into canon, and I didn't
    love the implications of Rose reaching into the Doctor's
    pocket, but overall I enjoyed it.

    Casually tossing things in to 'canon' seems to be something
    the show has done quite a lot since it returned in 2005.

    The Doctor's "I'm the oldest thing in this church" speech
    was good.

    The Ninth Doctor had some great lines!

    One wonders how those points are fixed, and why. Is this
    natural law, or were they fixed by someone--perhaps the
    Guardians? They might have such power.

    RTD brought in the idea of "fixed points" as a way to show the
    limits of time travel... Steven Moffat then made fixed points
    the main plot drivers behind some of his bigger storylines. So
    basically, fixed points are just plot devices to be used as part
    of a narrative... and ignored if/when a different narrative suits
    the occasion!

    What about the retconning of the Time Wars in Day of the Doctor?

    I think I would have preferred it if they'd left the Time War in place.
    It was a good way to distinguish the two different eras. I also
    understand why thought they thought the show would benefit from other
    Time Lords and occasional dalek appearances, so I get why they undid it.

    It was a bit of a cheat to inform us suddenly that a small object could
    get out, when they'd previously said nothing could. I would have
    preferred a solution that played fair, but I got over it.

    What do you think of the Time War? Would you have liked it to stay in
    place?


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