• Re: apropos WOTAN in The War Machines

    From The Doctor@21:1/5 to suzyw0ng@outlook.com on Thu Aug 28 00:50:16 2025
    In article <108o7ca$10q9u$1@dont-email.me>,
    Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> wrote:
    It just occurred to me that it was not the first AI computer.
    Alpha 60 was the evil sentient computer in the French movie Alphaville,
    that came out a year earlier.
    So writer Ian Black got the idea from that?

    How possible is that?
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  • From Woozy Song@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 28 08:20:22 2025
    It just occurred to me that it was not the first AI computer.
    Alpha 60 was the evil sentient computer in the French movie Alphaville,
    that came out a year earlier.
    So writer Ian Black got the idea from that?

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Woozy Song on Thu Aug 28 12:46:57 2025
    Woozy Song wrote:

    It just occurred to me that it was not the first AI
    computer. Alpha 60 was the evil sentient computer in
    the French movie Alphaville, that came out a year earlier.
    So writer Ian Black got the idea from that?

    It's hard to know where a writer gets their ideas from unless
    they acknowledge their influences. If they nicked them from
    elsewhere they're not always going to be in a rush to say so!

    There was a play in the 1920's by Karl Capek, R.U.R. ("Rossum's
    Universal Robots"), that as well as introducing the term 'robot'
    into sci-fi lore, could also be the originator of those "evil
    computer" ideas.

    Whilst the robots in R.U.R. are not exactly AI the way we talk
    about it today, they are autonomous artificial beings. The
    robots in R.U.R. eventually rebel against their human creators,
    leading to the extinction of the human race. So R.U.R.
    introduced the idea of sentient, autonomous machines that can
    turn against humanity... a theme that has since become a
    cornerstone of science fiction stories, and more relevantly
    today... the possible future awaiting us all because of AI! It's
    possible the creator's of Alpha 60 and WOTAN were aware of
    Capek's R.U.R. and layered their own ideas over its basic
    premise to come up with their evil computers?

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Thu Aug 28 12:53:05 2025
    In article <xn0pa2xu740s1ja000@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    Woozy Song wrote:

    It just occurred to me that it was not the first AI
    computer. Alpha 60 was the evil sentient computer in
    the French movie Alphaville, that came out a year earlier.
    So writer Ian Black got the idea from that?

    It's hard to know where a writer gets their ideas from unless
    they acknowledge their influences. If they nicked them from
    elsewhere they're not always going to be in a rush to say so!

    There was a play in the 1920's by Karl Capek, R.U.R. ("Rossum's
    Universal Robots"), that as well as introducing the term 'robot'
    into sci-fi lore, could also be the originator of those "evil
    computer" ideas.

    Whilst the robots in R.U.R. are not exactly AI the way we talk
    about it today, they are autonomous artificial beings. The
    robots in R.U.R. eventually rebel against their human creators,
    leading to the extinction of the human race. So R.U.R.
    introduced the idea of sentient, autonomous machines that can
    turn against humanity... a theme that has since become a
    cornerstone of science fiction stories, and more relevantly
    today... the possible future awaiting us all because of AI! It's
    possible the creator's of Alpha 60 and WOTAN were aware of
    Capek's R.U.R. and layered their own ideas over its basic
    premise to come up with their evil computers?

    And then there is Jules.
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