• How do I find out the ISBN for a novel ?

    From Spiros Bousbouras@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 31 03:23:28 2022
    I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga. amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different formats so you can't reliably tell from those.

    So is there a reliable way to learn the ISBN for the English translation of
    the *novel* "Crying out love..." ?

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  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Spiros Bousbouras on Mon Oct 31 10:29:12 2022
    On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 8:23:30 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga. amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different formats so you can't reliably tell from those.

    So is there a reliable way to learn the ISBN for the English translation of the *novel* "Crying out love..." ?

    Maybe look on a bibliographic website?

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  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Jeffrey Rubard on Mon Oct 31 10:30:28 2022
    On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 10:29:14 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 8:23:30 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
    the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
    there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
    found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga. amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different formats so you can't reliably tell from those.

    So is there a reliable way to learn the ISBN for the English translation of the *novel* "Crying out love..." ?
    Maybe look on a bibliographic website?

    "Look, I don't think you see that..."

    Oh, that's "leading argumentation" and although I see lots of it I don't have any idea how you ought to proceed with it.
    I was just handling the "general, objective question" literally stated.

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  • From Spiros Bousbouras@21:1/5 to Jeffrey Rubard on Mon Oct 31 19:07:11 2022
    On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
    Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 8:23:30 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
    the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
    there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
    found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga. amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different formats so you can't reliably tell from those.

    So is there a reliable way to learn the ISBN for the English translation of the *novel* "Crying out love..." ?

    Maybe look on a bibliographic website?

    If I knew of a specific one , I would have searched already. I'm guessing
    there have to be websites which have an authoritative association between
    ISBNs and other aspects of books (author , title , format , etc.) ; perhaps websites run by publishers' associations. But I don't know of such a site and
    I was hoping that someone on this group might know.

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  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Spiros Bousbouras on Mon Oct 31 15:03:39 2022
    On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:07:14 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
    Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 8:23:30 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
    the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
    there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
    found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
    amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
    formats so you can't reliably tell from those.

    So is there a reliable way to learn the ISBN for the English translation of
    the *novel* "Crying out love..." ?

    Maybe look on a bibliographic website?
    If I knew of a specific one , I would have searched already. I'm guessing there have to be websites which have an authoritative association between ISBNs and other aspects of books (author , title , format , etc.) ; perhaps websites run by publishers' associations. But I don't know of such a site and I was hoping that someone on this group might know.

    Of the form: "This is a hoax, right?"

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  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Jeffrey Rubard on Mon Oct 31 15:19:10 2022
    On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:03:40 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:07:14 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
    Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 8:23:30 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
    the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
    there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
    found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
    amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
    formats so you can't reliably tell from those.

    So is there a reliable way to learn the ISBN for the English translation of
    the *novel* "Crying out love..." ?

    Maybe look on a bibliographic website?
    If I knew of a specific one , I would have searched already. I'm guessing there have to be websites which have an authoritative association between ISBNs and other aspects of books (author , title , format , etc.) ; perhaps websites run by publishers' associations. But I don't know of such a site and
    I was hoping that someone on this group might know.
    Of the form: "This is a hoax, right?"

    Sometimes it's called "inanity".

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  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Jeffrey Rubard on Tue Nov 1 12:52:57 2022
    On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:03:40 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:07:14 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
    Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 8:23:30 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
    the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
    there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
    found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
    amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
    formats so you can't reliably tell from those.

    So is there a reliable way to learn the ISBN for the English translation of
    the *novel* "Crying out love..." ?

    Maybe look on a bibliographic website?
    If I knew of a specific one , I would have searched already. I'm guessing there have to be websites which have an authoritative association between ISBNs and other aspects of books (author , title , format , etc.) ; perhaps
    websites run by publishers' associations. But I don't know of such a site and
    I was hoping that someone on this group might know.
    Of the form: "This is a hoax, right?"
    Sometimes it's called "inanity".

    "No, I don't think you see..."

    That it's a tiresome scam which you maybe find more convincing that it is?

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  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Jeffrey Rubard on Thu Nov 3 18:16:37 2022
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:52:59 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:03:40 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:07:14 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
    Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 8:23:30 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
    the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
    there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
    found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
    amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
    formats so you can't reliably tell from those.

    So is there a reliable way to learn the ISBN for the English translation of
    the *novel* "Crying out love..." ?

    Maybe look on a bibliographic website?
    If I knew of a specific one , I would have searched already. I'm guessing
    there have to be websites which have an authoritative association between
    ISBNs and other aspects of books (author , title , format , etc.) ; perhaps
    websites run by publishers' associations. But I don't know of such a site and
    I was hoping that someone on this group might know.
    Of the form: "This is a hoax, right?"
    Sometimes it's called "inanity".
    "No, I don't think you see..."

    That it's a tiresome scam which you maybe find more convincing that it is?

    "Oh, I've done it over and over and you find... wait..."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Jeffrey Rubard on Fri Nov 4 14:57:49 2022
    On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 6:16:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:52:59 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:03:40 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:07:14 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
    Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 8:23:30 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
    the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
    there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
    found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
    amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
    formats so you can't reliably tell from those.

    So is there a reliable way to learn the ISBN for the English translation of
    the *novel* "Crying out love..." ?

    Maybe look on a bibliographic website?
    If I knew of a specific one , I would have searched already. I'm guessing
    there have to be websites which have an authoritative association between
    ISBNs and other aspects of books (author , title , format , etc.) ; perhaps
    websites run by publishers' associations. But I don't know of such a site and
    I was hoping that someone on this group might know.
    Of the form: "This is a hoax, right?"
    Sometimes it's called "inanity".
    "No, I don't think you see..."

    That it's a tiresome scam which you maybe find more convincing that it is?
    "Oh, I've done it over and over and you find... wait..."

    Yeah, "Wizard of Oz" vibes.

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  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Jeffrey Rubard on Sat Nov 5 13:56:09 2022
    On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:57:51 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 6:16:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:52:59 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:03:40 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:07:14 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
    Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 8:23:30 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
    the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama ,
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
    there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
    found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
    amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
    formats so you can't reliably tell from those.

    So is there a reliable way to learn the ISBN for the English translation of
    the *novel* "Crying out love..." ?

    Maybe look on a bibliographic website?
    If I knew of a specific one , I would have searched already. I'm guessing
    there have to be websites which have an authoritative association between
    ISBNs and other aspects of books (author , title , format , etc.) ; perhaps
    websites run by publishers' associations. But I don't know of such a site and
    I was hoping that someone on this group might know.
    Of the form: "This is a hoax, right?"
    Sometimes it's called "inanity".
    "No, I don't think you see..."

    That it's a tiresome scam which you maybe find more convincing that it is?
    "Oh, I've done it over and over and you find... wait..."
    Yeah, "Wizard of Oz" vibes.

    "No, I swear..." stuff can on for a long time, and yet what is supposedly "sworn" to is so feeble,
    more feeble than the con-man has noticed, such that more and more "comes to light" about
    who they are (cheaply, venally malicious jerks) and what they want (things they oughtn't to
    want and *could* have by some more direct means, but are really "playing themselves
    out of" with the can't-miss circular conceit).

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  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Jeffrey Rubard on Sun Nov 6 14:23:32 2022
    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 1:56:11 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:57:51 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 6:16:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:52:59 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:03:40 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:07:14 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
    Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 8:23:30 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
    the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama ,
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
    there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
    found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
    amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
    formats so you can't reliably tell from those.

    So is there a reliable way to learn the ISBN for the English translation of
    the *novel* "Crying out love..." ?

    Maybe look on a bibliographic website?
    If I knew of a specific one , I would have searched already. I'm guessing
    there have to be websites which have an authoritative association between
    ISBNs and other aspects of books (author , title , format , etc.) ; perhaps
    websites run by publishers' associations. But I don't know of such a site and
    I was hoping that someone on this group might know.
    Of the form: "This is a hoax, right?"
    Sometimes it's called "inanity".
    "No, I don't think you see..."

    That it's a tiresome scam which you maybe find more convincing that it is?
    "Oh, I've done it over and over and you find... wait..."
    Yeah, "Wizard of Oz" vibes.
    "No, I swear..." stuff can on for a long time, and yet what is supposedly "sworn" to is so feeble,
    more feeble than the con-man has noticed, such that more and more "comes to light" about
    who they are (cheaply, venally malicious jerks) and what they want (things they oughtn't to
    want and *could* have by some more direct means, but are really "playing themselves
    out of" with the can't-miss circular conceit).

    Partial indication: That the WorldCat website would be *indubitably* the place to look for
    such information, were you *really to need it*, is "no help", right?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Spiros Bousbouras@21:1/5 to Jeffrey Rubard on Tue Nov 8 12:09:42 2022
    On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 14:23:32 -0800 (PST)
    Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> wrote:
    Partial indication: That the WorldCat website would be *indubitably* the place to look for such information, were you *really to need it*, is "no help", right?

    This looks like it may help , thanks. I already did a search on the website
    for "Crying out love in the center of the world" but apparently the website does not play nicely with my browser and I got a page with just generic presentational stuff i.e. nothing related to my search. I will try again next time I go to a public library.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Spiros Bousbouras on Tue Nov 8 13:14:36 2022
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 4:09:44 AM UTC-8, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 14:23:32 -0800 (PST)
    Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Partial indication: That the WorldCat website would be *indubitably* the place to look for such information, were you *really to need it*, is "no help", right?
    This looks like it may help , thanks. I already did a search on the website for "Crying out love in the center of the world" but apparently the website does not play nicely with my browser and I got a page with just generic presentational stuff i.e. nothing related to my search. I will try again next time I go to a public library.

    No, we really know this as a "rambling-rose" con about intellectual property, "you can stop now" kind of stuff. (Learned it the other time we saw someone asking the question, etc.)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Jeffrey Rubard on Wed Nov 9 14:30:47 2022
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:14:38 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 4:09:44 AM UTC-8, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 14:23:32 -0800 (PST)
    Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Partial indication: That the WorldCat website would be *indubitably* the place to look for such information, were you *really to need it*, is "no help", right?
    This looks like it may help , thanks. I already did a search on the website for "Crying out love in the center of the world" but apparently the website does not play nicely with my browser and I got a page with just generic presentational stuff i.e. nothing related to my search. I will try again next
    time I go to a public library.
    No, we really know this as a "rambling-rose" con about intellectual property, "you can stop now" kind of stuff. (Learned it the other time we saw someone asking the question, etc.)

    "Any light rather than heat?" kind of stuff, isn't it?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Jeffrey Rubard on Sat Nov 12 13:34:49 2022
    On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 2:30:48 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:14:38 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 4:09:44 AM UTC-8, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 14:23:32 -0800 (PST)
    Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Partial indication: That the WorldCat website would be *indubitably* the
    place to look for such information, were you *really to need it*, is "no
    help", right?
    This looks like it may help , thanks. I already did a search on the website
    for "Crying out love in the center of the world" but apparently the website
    does not play nicely with my browser and I got a page with just generic presentational stuff i.e. nothing related to my search. I will try again next
    time I go to a public library.
    No, we really know this as a "rambling-rose" con about intellectual property,
    "you can stop now" kind of stuff. (Learned it the other time we saw someone asking the question, etc.)
    "Any light rather than heat?" kind of stuff, isn't it?

    Like, it's kind of a well-known scam, "only they haven't heard of it"?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Jeffrey Rubard on Mon Nov 14 13:14:09 2022
    On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:34:51 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 2:30:48 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:14:38 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 4:09:44 AM UTC-8, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 14:23:32 -0800 (PST)
    Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Partial indication: That the WorldCat website would be *indubitably* the
    place to look for such information, were you *really to need it*, is "no
    help", right?
    This looks like it may help , thanks. I already did a search on the website
    for "Crying out love in the center of the world" but apparently the website
    does not play nicely with my browser and I got a page with just generic presentational stuff i.e. nothing related to my search. I will try again next
    time I go to a public library.
    No, we really know this as a "rambling-rose" con about intellectual property,
    "you can stop now" kind of stuff. (Learned it the other time we saw someone
    asking the question, etc.)
    "Any light rather than heat?" kind of stuff, isn't it?
    Like, it's kind of a well-known scam, "only they haven't heard of it"?

    Really pretty much *at all*? There's nothing to your "bit" but misdirection?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Spiros Bousbouras@21:1/5 to Spiros Bousbouras on Thu Dec 15 13:37:02 2022
    On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 03:23:28 -0000 (UTC)
    Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:
    I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga. amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different formats so you can't reliably tell from those.

    I can confirm now that the ISBN for the paperback is 9781421513928 .

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Spiros Bousbouras on Fri Dec 16 08:49:43 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:37:06 AM UTC-8, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 03:23:28 -0000 (UTC)
    Spiros Bousbouras <spi...@gmail.com> wrote:
    I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
    the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
    there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
    found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga. amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different formats so you can't reliably tell from those.
    I can confirm now that the ISBN for the paperback is 9781421513928 .

    "Like, it doesn't matter."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Jeffrey Rubard on Fri Dec 16 12:26:55 2022
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:49:44 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:37:06 AM UTC-8, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 03:23:28 -0000 (UTC)
    Spiros Bousbouras <spi...@gmail.com> wrote:
    I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
    the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
    there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
    found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
    amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
    formats so you can't reliably tell from those.
    I can confirm now that the ISBN for the paperback is 9781421513928 .
    "Like, it doesn't matter."

    "No, it does."
    As part of some stupid roundabout con, maybe. Otherwise not.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Jeffrey Rubard on Mon Dec 19 15:02:55 2022
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:26:56 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:49:44 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:37:06 AM UTC-8, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 03:23:28 -0000 (UTC)
    Spiros Bousbouras <spi...@gmail.com> wrote:
    I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
    the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
    there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
    found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
    amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
    formats so you can't reliably tell from those.
    I can confirm now that the ISBN for the paperback is 9781421513928 .
    "Like, it doesn't matter."
    "No, it does."
    As part of some stupid roundabout con, maybe. Otherwise not.

    The same book can have different ISBNs, of course.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com on Thu Dec 22 23:05:52 2022
    On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:02:55 -0800 (PST), Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> wrote:

    The same book can have different ISBNs, of course.

    Paperback and hardcover editions of the same title nearly always do.

    additional printings may or may not.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Mon Dec 26 16:09:10 2022
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 11:05:56 PM UTC-8, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:02:55 -0800 (PST), Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:

    The same book can have different ISBNs, of course.
    Paperback and hardcover editions of the same title nearly always do.

    additional printings may or may not.

    That is... just... not terribly informative.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to Jeffrey Rubard on Thu Jan 5 19:15:02 2023
    On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 16:09:10 -0800, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:

    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 11:05:56 PM UTC-8, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:02:55 -0800 (PST), Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:

    The same book can have different ISBNs, of course.
    Paperback and hardcover editions of the same title nearly always do.

    additional printings may or may not.

    That is... just... not terribly informative.

    It's not informative if you only read books that
    don't have ISBNs. So what do you read that doesn't
    have ISBNs?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Pluted Pup on Fri Jan 6 08:37:55 2023
    On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 7:15:08 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 16:09:10 -0800, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:

    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 11:05:56 PM UTC-8, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:02:55 -0800 (PST), Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:

    The same book can have different ISBNs, of course.
    Paperback and hardcover editions of the same title nearly always do.

    additional printings may or may not.

    That is... just... not terribly informative.
    It's not informative if you only read books that
    don't have ISBNs. So what do you read that doesn't
    have ISBNs?

    The ISBN doesn't "individuate" the book in the sense of philosophical metaphysics.
    It's a relatively trivial guide to different physical editions of the book, being passed off as "important" as a clue to...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Jeffrey Rubard on Fri Jan 6 08:38:43 2023
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 8:37:57 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 7:15:08 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 16:09:10 -0800, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:

    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 11:05:56 PM UTC-8, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:02:55 -0800 (PST), Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:

    The same book can have different ISBNs, of course.
    Paperback and hardcover editions of the same title nearly always do.

    additional printings may or may not.

    That is... just... not terribly informative.
    It's not informative if you only read books that
    don't have ISBNs. So what do you read that doesn't
    have ISBNs?
    The ISBN doesn't "individuate" the book in the sense of philosophical metaphysics.
    It's a relatively trivial guide to different physical editions of the book, being passed off as "important" as a clue to...

    IOW, it's a pretty common "ruse" in the bookseller industry.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Jeffrey Rubard on Fri Jan 6 11:46:54 2023
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 8:38:44 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 8:37:57 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 7:15:08 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 16:09:10 -0800, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:

    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 11:05:56 PM UTC-8, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:02:55 -0800 (PST), Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:

    The same book can have different ISBNs, of course.
    Paperback and hardcover editions of the same title nearly always do.

    additional printings may or may not.

    That is... just... not terribly informative.
    It's not informative if you only read books that
    don't have ISBNs. So what do you read that doesn't
    have ISBNs?
    The ISBN doesn't "individuate" the book in the sense of philosophical metaphysics.
    It's a relatively trivial guide to different physical editions of the book, being passed off as "important" as a clue to...
    IOW, it's a pretty common "ruse" in the bookseller industry.

    "Wow, like I needed to hear that."
    Hmm.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Jeffrey Rubard on Sun Jan 8 10:21:12 2023
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 11:46:56 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 8:38:44 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 8:37:57 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 7:15:08 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 16:09:10 -0800, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:

    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 11:05:56 PM UTC-8, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:02:55 -0800 (PST), Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:

    The same book can have different ISBNs, of course.
    Paperback and hardcover editions of the same title nearly always do.

    additional printings may or may not.

    That is... just... not terribly informative.
    It's not informative if you only read books that
    don't have ISBNs. So what do you read that doesn't
    have ISBNs?
    The ISBN doesn't "individuate" the book in the sense of philosophical metaphysics.
    It's a relatively trivial guide to different physical editions of the book, being passed off as "important" as a clue to...
    IOW, it's a pretty common "ruse" in the bookseller industry.
    "Wow, like I needed to hear that."
    Hmm.

    Perhaps your contribution to the thread lacked "relevance" also?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to Jeffrey Rubard on Thu Jan 12 14:53:41 2023
    On Fri, 06 Jan 2023 08:37:55 -0800, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:

    On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 7:15:08 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 16:09:10 -0800, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:

    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 11:05:56 PM UTC-8, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:02:55 -0800 (PST), Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:

    The same book can have different ISBNs, of course.
    Paperback and hardcover editions of the same title nearly always do.

    additional printings may or may not.

    That is... just... not terribly informative.
    It's not informative if you only read books that
    don't have ISBNs. So what do you read that doesn't
    have ISBNs?

    The ISBN doesn't "individuate" the book in the sense of philosophical metaphysics.
    It's a relatively trivial guide to different physical editions of the book, being passed off as "important" as a clue to...

    It helps tell one book from another, just like a UPC code!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Pluted Pup on Fri Jan 13 08:32:36 2023
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 2:53:47 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
    On Fri, 06 Jan 2023 08:37:55 -0800, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:

    On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 7:15:08 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 16:09:10 -0800, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:

    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 11:05:56 PM UTC-8, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:02:55 -0800 (PST), Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:

    The same book can have different ISBNs, of course.
    Paperback and hardcover editions of the same title nearly always do.

    additional printings may or may not.

    That is... just... not terribly informative.
    It's not informative if you only read books that
    don't have ISBNs. So what do you read that doesn't
    have ISBNs?

    The ISBN doesn't "individuate" the book in the sense of philosophical metaphysics.
    It's a relatively trivial guide to different physical editions of the book, being passed off as "important" as a clue to...
    It helps tell one book from another, just like a UPC code!

    "Again, about the 'chipper-chappie' practice of sharing impertinently useless information..."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Jeffrey Rubard on Fri Jan 13 12:53:44 2023
    On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 8:32:38 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 2:53:47 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
    On Fri, 06 Jan 2023 08:37:55 -0800, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:

    On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 7:15:08 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 16:09:10 -0800, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:

    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 11:05:56 PM UTC-8, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:02:55 -0800 (PST), Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:

    The same book can have different ISBNs, of course.
    Paperback and hardcover editions of the same title nearly always do.

    additional printings may or may not.

    That is... just... not terribly informative.
    It's not informative if you only read books that
    don't have ISBNs. So what do you read that doesn't
    have ISBNs?

    The ISBN doesn't "individuate" the book in the sense of philosophical metaphysics.
    It's a relatively trivial guide to different physical editions of the book, being passed off as "important" as a clue to...
    It helps tell one book from another, just like a UPC code!
    "Again, about the 'chipper-chappie' practice of sharing impertinently useless information..."

    "It might really not quite tell you the extent to which the information is 'news' to the other person, and you could begin
    'fooling yourself' about putting one over on them."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 14 12:55:12 2023
    On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 19:15:02 -0800, Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 16:09:10 -0800, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:

    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 11:05:56 PM UTC-8, The Horny Goat wrote: >> > On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:02:55 -0800 (PST), Jeffrey Rubard
    <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:

    The same book can have different ISBNs, of course.
    Paperback and hardcover editions of the same title nearly always do.

    additional printings may or may not.

    That is... just... not terribly informative.

    It's not informative if you only read books that
    don't have ISBNs. So what do you read that doesn't
    have ISBNs?

    Excellent question: I usually first look on Amazon (note: there are
    often different ISBN's for different editions of the same book) and
    failing that try the website of the local public library. Between
    those two I get about 95% of the ISBN's I need (which is usually in
    the context of me requesting a book for purchase at the local public
    library - which they do about 75% of the time)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Sat Jan 14 14:13:01 2023
    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 12:55:16 PM UTC-8, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 19:15:02 -0800, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
    wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 16:09:10 -0800, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:

    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 11:05:56 PM UTC-8, The Horny Goat wrote: >> > On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:02:55 -0800 (PST), Jeffrey Rubard
    <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:

    The same book can have different ISBNs, of course.
    Paperback and hardcover editions of the same title nearly always do.

    additional printings may or may not.

    That is... just... not terribly informative.

    It's not informative if you only read books that
    don't have ISBNs. So what do you read that doesn't
    have ISBNs?

    Excellent question: I usually first look on Amazon (note: there are
    often different ISBN's for different editions of the same book) and
    failing that try the website of the local public library. Between
    those two I get about 95% of the ISBN's I need (which is usually in
    the context of me requesting a book for purchase at the local public
    library - which they do about 75% of the time)

    Is it really? I am calling you an "impertinent moron", more, to my mind.
    But I suppose we are not "sole masters of discourse" as individuals...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jeffrey Rubard@21:1/5 to Jeffrey Rubard on Sun Jan 15 14:50:06 2023
    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 2:13:02 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 12:55:16 PM UTC-8, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 19:15:02 -0800, Pluted Pup <plut...@outlook.com>
    wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 16:09:10 -0800, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:

    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 11:05:56 PM UTC-8, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:02:55 -0800 (PST), Jeffrey Rubard
    <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:

    The same book can have different ISBNs, of course.
    Paperback and hardcover editions of the same title nearly always do. >> >
    additional printings may or may not.

    That is... just... not terribly informative.

    It's not informative if you only read books that
    don't have ISBNs. So what do you read that doesn't
    have ISBNs?

    Excellent question: I usually first look on Amazon (note: there are
    often different ISBN's for different editions of the same book) and
    failing that try the website of the local public library. Between
    those two I get about 95% of the ISBN's I need (which is usually in
    the context of me requesting a book for purchase at the local public library - which they do about 75% of the time)
    Is it really? I am calling you an "impertinent moron", more, to my mind.
    But I suppose we are not "sole masters of discourse" as individuals...

    Many "ripostes" of the type: "Here's an idea: Be sure to cook your meat products thoroughly."
    You usually don't have to "ooh" and "aah" over them, though.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)