• U. S. Post Office Announces 2022 Charles M. Schulz Centennial Stamps

    From D.D.Degg@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 3 13:58:16 2022
    WASHINGTON — The U.S. Postal Service has announced several additions to the 2022 stamp program first announced last fall. All stamp designs are preliminary and subject to change. Additional details, including issue dates and locations, will be
    announced later.

    Headlining the new additions is the Charles M. Schulz Centennial 2022. https://www.dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2022/05/03/usps-reveals-charles-schulz-centennial-stamps/

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to D.D.Degg on Fri May 6 22:27:25 2022
    On 5/3/2022 4:58 PM, D.D.Degg wrote:

    WASHINGTON — The U.S. Postal Service has announced several additions to the 2022 stamp program first announced last fall. All stamp designs are preliminary and subject to change. Additional details, including issue dates and locations, will be
    announced later.

    Headlining the new additions is the Charles M. Schulz Centennial 2022. https://www.dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2022/05/03/usps-reveals-charles-schulz-centennial-stamps/

    Cool! Personally, I would have liked to have seen Rerun or even
    Spike instead of Pig-pen, but you can't have everything...

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    Tim Chow

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Timothy Chow on Sat May 7 18:38:32 2022
    On 2022-05-07 02:27:25 +0000, Timothy Chow said:
    On 5/3/2022 4:58 PM, D.D.Degg wrote:

    WASHINGTON — The U.S. Postal Service has announced several additions
    to the 2022 stamp program first announced last fall. All stamp designs
    are preliminary and subject to change. Additional details, including
    issue dates and locations, will be announced later.

    Headlining the new additions is the Charles M. Schulz Centennial 2022.
    https://www.dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2022/05/03/usps-reveals-charles-schulz-centennial-stamps/


    Cool! Personally, I would have liked to have seen Rerun or even
    Spike instead of Pig-pen, but you can't have everything...

    The one's they've chosen are the main original characters that are best
    known (except perhaps the black guy whose name I don't remember, but
    then the Politically Correct whiners would have thrown a temper tantrum
    if they were all white characters).

    If it proves popular, maybe they'll do a second set with other characters.

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  • From Sharon Tuttle@21:1/5 to Your Name on Sat May 7 13:30:28 2022
    Wow. Never mind that there are likely plenty of fans who remember Franklin better and more fondly than, say, Pig-pen.

    But also: (with help from Wikipedia):
    Peppermint Patty's first appearance: August 22, 1966
    Franklin's first appearance: July 31, 1968
    Marcie's first appearance: July 20, 1971
    Woodstock's first appearance: March 4, 1966 (although not officially named until June 22, 1970)

    So much for the implication that Franklin was the only character included who was not an "original" character.

    I think they made fine choices of beloved and significant characters from the large cast of this strip.

    -- Sharon Tuttle

    On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:38:46 PM UTC-7, Your Name wrote:
    On 2022-05-07 02:27:25 +0000, Timothy Chow said:

    Cool! Personally, I would have liked to have seen Rerun or even
    Spike instead of Pig-pen, but you can't have everything...
    The one's they've chosen are the main original characters that are best
    known (except perhaps the black guy whose name I don't remember, but
    then the Politically Correct whiners would have thrown a temper tantrum
    if they were all white characters).

    If it proves popular, maybe they'll do a second set with other characters.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Sharon Tuttle on Sun May 8 09:40:42 2022
    On 2022-05-07 20:30:28 +0000, Sharon Tuttle said:
    On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:38:46 PM UTC-7, Your Name wrote:
    On 2022-05-07 02:27:25 +0000, Timothy Chow said:

    Cool! Personally, I would have liked to have seen Rerun or even
    Spike instead of Pig-pen, but you can't have everything...

    The one's they've chosen are the main original characters that are best
    known (except perhaps the black guy whose name I don't remember, but
    then the Politically Correct whiners would have thrown a temper tantrum
    if they were all white characters).

    If it proves popular, maybe they'll do a second set with other characters.

    Wow. Never mind that there are likely plenty of fans who remember
    Franklin better and more fondly than, say, Pig-pen.

    Fans, maybe, but most of the general public won't have a clue who Franklin is.



    But also: (with help from Wikipedia):
    Peppermint Patty's first appearance: August 22, 1966
    Franklin's first appearance: July 31, 1968
    Marcie's first appearance: July 20, 1971
    Woodstock's first appearance: March 4, 1966 (although not officially
    named until June 22, 1970)

    So much for the implication that Franklin was the only character
    included who was not an "original" character.

    As I said ... "main original characters *that* *are* *best* *known*". :-\



    I think they made fine choices of beloved and significant characters
    from the large cast of this strip.

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to Your Name on Sat May 7 20:36:22 2022
    On 5/7/2022 5:40 PM, Your Name wrote:
    As I said ... "main original characters *that* *are* *best* *known*".  :-\

    Of the ten characters chosen, only Charlie Brown and Snoopy are
    "original." But let's say we focus only on characters who were
    introduced pre-1970, so as to exclude Rerun and Spike. Then I
    would say that Franklin is no more of an outlier than Pig-pen.
    I don't have a complete database, but if we start tracking from
    1970 onward, Franklin shows up considerably more often in the
    strip than Pig-pen does (this is true not just in the 1970s, when
    Pig-pen practically vanished from the strip, but remains true
    through the 1980s and 1990s). Franklin also made more of an
    impression when he debuted, because that was back when some
    newspapers would cancel the strip purely on the grounds that it
    depicted Franklin and Peppermint Patty in the same classroom, so
    anyone old enough to have been around at the time would probably
    remember Franklin at least as well as they remember Pig-Pen.

    It's also pretty clear that a lot of African-Americans remember
    Franklin much better than they remember Pig-pen. Even though
    African-Americans are a minority, if you do some kind of weighted
    average, giving more weight to stronger memories than to weaker
    memories, then I would expect Franklin to get a boost, since I
    don't expect there to be as many people who have as strong memories
    of Pig-pen as African-Americans have of Franklin.

    The one big advantage that Pig-pen has over Franklin is that because
    he debuted earlier, Pig-pen shows up in "A Charlie Brown Christmas"
    and "It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown" and "A Boy Named Charlie
    Brown." On the other hand, Franklin shows up in "A Charlie Brown
    Thanksgiving" and "Snoopy, Come Home," so he did get a fair amount
    of screen time.

    Minor characters typically suffer from having only one distinctive
    feature, which means that they will show up only as often as the
    artist can think of a way to work that feature into the gag, and
    that they will stick in readers' minds only insofar as that feature
    grabs their attention. (To some extent, Schroeder suffers from this
    problem as well, although Schulz managed to have Schroeder play a
    big role in the baseball team, and also managed to incorporate music
    rather often into the strip.) Franklin's most salient characteristic,
    his race, was something that Schulz deliberately avoided "playing up"
    in the strip, and so that meant that there was less chance that
    Franklin would stick in readers' minds. (Superfans might have noticed
    that Schulz often invoked Franklin in the later years of the strip
    when he wanted to talk about grandparents, but this is a very subtle
    point that most readers would never have noticed.) By contrast, Pig-
    pen's most salient characteristic is "in your face" in almost every
    panel in which he appears. For this reason, Franklin might have been
    less "memorable" than Pig-pen, but I don't think that he was clearly
    "less known" than Pig-pen, if we go by whether readers would recognize
    him.

    The reason I thought that Rerun or perhaps Spike might have been a
    better choice than Pig-pen was that they---Rerun especially---played
    an increasingly large role in the last decade of the strip. Including
    Rerun would have been a nod to the generation of fans who grew up with
    Rerun as a major character, as well as an acknowledgment that Schulz
    was continuing to break new ground and introduce new ideas into the
    strip even during its fifth decade---which is more than can be said
    of any other cartoonist I can think of.

    ---
    Tim Chow

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Timothy Chow on Sun May 8 18:10:30 2022
    On 2022-05-08 00:36:22 +0000, Timothy Chow said:

    On 5/7/2022 5:40 PM, Your Name wrote:
    As I said ... "main original characters *that* *are* *best* *known*". :-\

    Of the ten characters chosen, only Charlie Brown and Snoopy are
    "original."
    <snip>

    Oh God. Here we go again. Argumentative asses trying to prove how
    "clcever" they aren't. What part of "best known' is so damn difficult
    to understand!? Don't bother answering because I won't be borthering to
    read it. :-\

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to Your Name on Sun May 8 09:03:38 2022
    On 5/8/2022 2:10 AM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2022-05-08 00:36:22 +0000, Timothy Chow said:

    On 5/7/2022 5:40 PM, Your Name wrote:
    As I said ... "main original characters *that* *are* *best*
    *known*".  :-\

    Of the ten characters chosen, only Charlie Brown and Snoopy are
    "original."
    <snip>

    Oh God. Here we go again. Argumentative asses trying to prove how
    "clcever" they aren't. What part of "best known' is so damn difficult to understand!? Don't bother answering because I won't be borthering to
    read it.  :-\

    What makes you think I'm posting this reply for your benefit?
    I'm posting it just so that the rest of us can laugh at you.

    ---
    Tim Chow

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  • From John W Kennedy@21:1/5 to Sharon Tuttle on Sun May 8 14:31:54 2022
    Not to mention that Rerun is completely indistinguishable from Linus
    without context, and at stamp size, I’m not sure Spike can be
    distinguished from Snoopy with a hat. Maybe in a jugate, but I don’t
    offhand recall ever seeing a jugate stamp.

    But, hey, «Noi siam venuti al loco ov’i’ t’ho detto
    che tu vedrai le genti dolorose
    c’hanno perduto il ben de l’intelletto.» Non è vero?

    On 5/7/22 4:30 PM, Sharon Tuttle wrote:
    Wow. Never mind that there are likely plenty of fans who remember Franklin better and more fondly than, say, Pig-pen.

    But also: (with help from Wikipedia):
    Peppermint Patty's first appearance: August 22, 1966
    Franklin's first appearance: July 31, 1968
    Marcie's first appearance: July 20, 1971
    Woodstock's first appearance: March 4, 1966 (although not officially named until June 22, 1970)

    So much for the implication that Franklin was the only character included who was not an "original" character.

    I think they made fine choices of beloved and significant characters from the large cast of this strip.

    -- Sharon Tuttle

    On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:38:46 PM UTC-7, Your Name wrote:
    On 2022-05-07 02:27:25 +0000, Timothy Chow said:

    Cool! Personally, I would have liked to have seen Rerun or even
    Spike instead of Pig-pen, but you can't have everything...
    The one's they've chosen are the main original characters that are best
    known (except perhaps the black guy whose name I don't remember, but
    then the Politically Correct whiners would have thrown a temper tantrum
    if they were all white characters).

    If it proves popular, maybe they'll do a second set with other characters.


    --
    John W. Kennedy
    Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
    King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to John W Kennedy on Sun May 8 17:05:03 2022
    On 5/8/2022 2:31 PM, John W Kennedy wrote:
    Not to mention that Rerun is completely indistinguishable from Linus
    without context, and at stamp size, I’m not sure Spike can be
    distinguished from Snoopy with a hat.

    There are ways to distinguish Rerun, with his overalls being the main
    one. Or, one could use a likeness from 1973.

    https://www.gocomics.com/peanuts/1973/03/26

    Spike has a mustache.

    https://www.gocomics.com/peanuts/1975/08/13

    ---
    Tim Chow

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  • From John W Kennedy@21:1/5 to Timothy Chow on Sun May 8 19:40:40 2022
    On 5/8/22 5:05 PM, Timothy Chow wrote:
    On 5/8/2022 2:31 PM, John W Kennedy wrote:
    Not to mention that Rerun is completely indistinguishable from Linus
    without context, and at stamp size, I’m not sure Spike can be
    distinguished from Snoopy with a hat.

    There are ways to distinguish Rerun, with his overalls being the main
    one.  Or, one could use a likeness from 1973.

    https://www.gocomics.com/peanuts/1973/03/26

    Spike has a mustache.

    https://www.gocomics.com/peanuts/1975/08/13

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    Tim Chow

    --which is why I said “at stamp size”.

    --
    John W. Kennedy
    Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
    King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to John W Kennedy on Mon May 9 09:00:39 2022
    On 5/8/2022 7:40 PM, John W Kennedy wrote:
    On 5/8/22 5:05 PM, Timothy Chow wrote:
    On 5/8/2022 2:31 PM, John W Kennedy wrote:
    Not to mention that Rerun is completely indistinguishable from Linus
    without context, and at stamp size, I’m not sure Spike can be
    distinguished from Snoopy with a hat.

    There are ways to distinguish Rerun, with his overalls being the main
    one.  Or, one could use a likeness from 1973.

    https://www.gocomics.com/peanuts/1973/03/26

    Spike has a mustache.

    https://www.gocomics.com/peanuts/1975/08/13

    ---
    Tim Chow

    --which is why I said “at stamp size”.

    I collect stamps, and much smaller features than this are of interest
    to stamp collectors. In any case, does it matter whether a casual
    observer can see the distinction? Fans of Peanuts and of stamp
    collecting will have no trouble seeing the differences. Other people
    won't care. I'd argue that what matters is whether the people who
    might care about the distinctions can detect them and might like them.

    ---
    Tim Chow

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to D.D.Degg on Wed Oct 12 04:31:51 2022
    On 5/3/2022 4:58 PM, D.D.Degg wrote:

    WASHINGTON — The U.S. Postal Service has announced several additions to the 2022 stamp program first announced last fall. All stamp designs are preliminary and subject to change. Additional details, including issue dates and locations, will be
    announced later.

    Headlining the new additions is the Charles M. Schulz Centennial 2022. https://www.dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2022/05/03/usps-reveals-charles-schulz-centennial-stamps/

    These stamps are now available for purchase.

    https://store.usps.com/store/product/buy-stamps/charles-m-schulz-stamps-S_561704

    ---
    Tim Chow

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