• Dilbert: Dilbert Quiet Quits

    From Lynn McGuire@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 22 16:46:45 2022
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    Dilbert: Dilbert Quiet Quits
    https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-10-22

    Based on a true story.

    Lynn

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  • From Darryl H@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Sun Oct 23 03:36:31 2022
    On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 4:46:49 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    Dilbert: Dilbert Quiet Quits
    https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-10-22

    Based on a true story.

    Lynn

    This would never happen to Dagwood Bumstead too...

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to heinedarryl@gmail.com on Sun Oct 23 18:12:09 2022
    In article <2d1f1bf3-1467-40db-b5b5-08ffd2e9429fn@googlegroups.com>,
    Darryl H <heinedarryl@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 4:46:49 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    Dilbert: Dilbert Quiet Quits
    https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-10-22

    Based on a true story.

    Lynn

    This would never happen to Dagwood Bumstead too...

    "Blondie" is kind of an anti-Dilbert because the tropes are reversed.
    Dagwood is actually apparently quite bad at his job, and Mr. Dithers is
    a sharp cookie.
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From John W Kennedy@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 23 21:21:20 2022
    On 10/23/22 2:12 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <2d1f1bf3-1467-40db-b5b5-08ffd2e9429fn@googlegroups.com>,
    Darryl H <heinedarryl@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 4:46:49 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    Dilbert: Dilbert Quiet Quits
    https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-10-22

    Based on a true story.

    Lynn

    This would never happen to Dagwood Bumstead too...

    "Blondie" is kind of an anti-Dilbert because the tropes are reversed.
    Dagwood is actually apparently quite bad at his job, and Mr. Dithers is
    a sharp cookie.

    Well, these things work out in various ways. Consider Henry Tremblechin
    and Mr. Bigdome.

    --
    John W. Kennedy
    Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
    King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!

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  • From Thomas Koenig@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Fri Oct 28 13:59:48 2022
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    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> schrieb:
    Dilbert: Dilbert Quiet Quits
    https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-10-22

    Based on a true story.

    I'm not sure what the recent rage over quiet quitting is. It is
    not a new phenomenom. In the Dilbertverse, Wally has done so
    for decades.

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  • From Default User@21:1/5 to Thomas Koenig on Sun Nov 6 07:10:43 2022
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    Thomas Koenig wrote:

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> schrieb:
    Dilbert: Dilbert Quiet Quits
    https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-10-22

    Based on a true story.

    I'm not sure what the recent rage over quiet quitting is. It is
    not a new phenomenom. In the Dilbertverse, Wally has done so
    for decades.

    Not really. As I understand the concept, it doesn't mean avoiding
    legitimate work or goofing off. Instead, it means that when your time
    at work is done, you are off duty. No answering calls, emails or texts
    at night, weekends, vacations, that sort of thing.

    As is often the case, people hear the term and put their own
    interpretation to it.


    Brian

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  • From Mark Jackson@21:1/5 to Default User on Sun Nov 6 10:09:20 2022
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    On 11/6/2022 2:10 AM, Default User wrote:
    Thomas Koenig wrote:

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> schrieb:
    Dilbert: Dilbert Quiet Quits
    https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-10-22

    Based on a true story.

    I'm not sure what the recent rage over quiet quitting is. It is
    not a new phenomenom. In the Dilbertverse, Wally has done so
    for decades.

    Not really. As I understand the concept, it doesn't mean avoiding
    legitimate work or goofing off. Instead, it means that when your time
    at work is done, you are off duty. No answering calls, emails or texts
    at night, weekends, vacations, that sort of thing.

    As it happens today's Dilbert Classic on GoComics illustrates this nicely:

    https://www.gocomics.com/dilbert-classics/2022/11/06

    --
    Mark Jackson - https://mark-jackson.online/
    Reasoning will never make a man correct an ill opinion, which
    by reasoning he never acquired: for in the course of things,
    men always grow vicious before they become unbelievers.
    - Jonathan Swift

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  • From John W Kennedy@21:1/5 to Default User on Sun Nov 6 15:00:18 2022
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    On 11/6/22 2:10 AM, Default User wrote:
    Thomas Koenig wrote:

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> schrieb:
    Dilbert: Dilbert Quiet Quits
    https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-10-22

    Based on a true story.

    I'm not sure what the recent rage over quiet quitting is. It is
    not a new phenomenom. In the Dilbertverse, Wally has done so
    for decades.

    Not really. As I understand the concept, it doesn't mean avoiding
    legitimate work or goofing off. Instead, it means that when your time
    at work is done, you are off duty. No answering calls, emails or texts
    at night, weekends, vacations, that sort of thing.

    As is often the case, people hear the term and put their own
    interpretation to it.

    It can easily drift into other things, like not bothering to tell the
    boss that he’s just told you to do something impossible.

    Actually, the whole thing is alien to me, because I’m from the mainframe
    era, and, for years, I was the only person who could respond to any sort
    of software emergency. If I had to put in 36 hours straight, I had to;
    we were a billion-dollar company with only one computer (apart from factory-floor and laboratory minis), and the billing and the payroll had
    to keep rolling or there’d be Hell to pay.

    --
    John W. Kennedy
    Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
    King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!

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  • From Ninapenda Jibini@21:1/5 to John W Kennedy on Sun Nov 6 23:20:39 2022
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    John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote in news:FLucnQmw-L_Pj_X-nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com:

    On 11/6/22 2:10 AM, Default User wrote:
    Thomas Koenig wrote:

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> schrieb:
    Dilbert: Dilbert Quiet Quits
    https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-10-22

    Based on a true story.

    I'm not sure what the recent rage over quiet quitting is. It
    is not a new phenomenom. In the Dilbertverse, Wally has done
    so for decades.

    Not really. As I understand the concept, it doesn't mean
    avoiding legitimate work or goofing off. Instead, it means that
    when your time at work is done, you are off duty. No answering
    calls, emails or texts at night, weekends, vacations, that sort
    of thing.

    As is often the case, people hear the term and put their own
    interpretation to it.

    It can easily drift into other things, like not bothering to
    tell the boss that he’s just told you to do something
    impossible.

    Actually, the whole thing is alien to me, because I’m from the
    mainframe era, and, for years, I was the only person who could
    respond to any sort of software emergency. If I had to put in 36
    hours straight, I had to; we were a billion-dollar company with
    only one computer (apart from factory-floor and laboratory
    minis), and the billing and the payroll had to keep rolling or
    there’d be Hell to pay.

    "Work ethic" had a different menaing then. Or at least *had* a
    meaning then.

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


    "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

    Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to john.w.kennedy@gmail.com on Tue Nov 8 16:35:34 2022
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    In article <FLucnQmw-L_Pj_X-nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com>,
    John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 11/6/22 2:10 AM, Default User wrote:
    Thomas Koenig wrote:

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> schrieb:
    Dilbert: Dilbert Quiet Quits
    https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-10-22

    Based on a true story.

    I'm not sure what the recent rage over quiet quitting is. It is
    not a new phenomenom. In the Dilbertverse, Wally has done so
    for decades.

    Not really. As I understand the concept, it doesn't mean avoiding
    legitimate work or goofing off. Instead, it means that when your time
    at work is done, you are off duty. No answering calls, emails or texts
    at night, weekends, vacations, that sort of thing.

    As is often the case, people hear the term and put their own
    interpretation to it.

    It can easily drift into other things, like not bothering to tell the
    boss that he’s just told you to do something impossible.

    Actually, the whole thing is alien to me, because I’m from the mainframe >era, and, for years, I was the only person who could respond to any sort
    of software emergency. If I had to put in 36 hours straight, I had to;
    we were a billion-dollar company with only one computer (apart from >factory-floor and laboratory minis), and the billing and the payroll had
    to keep rolling or there’d be Hell to pay.

    (Hal Heydt)
    I, too, spent some years as The Programmer On Call.

    At one company, we had three payroll systems. One for those paid
    hourly. They got paychecks weekly. There was one incident
    (before I worked there) where the checks got to a plant two
    hours late...by which time there had been a wildcat strike going
    for 90 minutes. So the hourly payroll HAD to run on time, no
    matter what. The second system was for salaried employees.
    Payment was twice a month. If checks got delayed, even if a day
    or two, no big deal. So if that system blew up over night and
    the fix wasn't something you could do over the phone, it could be
    set aside until the morning when you got in to the office. The
    third system was Pension Payroll. Checks went out monthly. No
    real rush to fix problems.

    Sort of the flip side of all that was an interesting company
    policy. Any time a new benefit was added, salaried payroll got
    it first. At one point, the unions negotiated adding dental
    coverage. Policy dictated that it had to be added to Salaried
    Payroll before the effective date for the Hourly Payroll. Adding
    it to the payroll systems landed in my lap. With explicit orders
    to keep and materials about it, including program listings, under
    lock and key at least until the new benefit was announced.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Tue Nov 8 13:11:21 2022
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    On 11/8/2022 8:35 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <FLucnQmw-L_Pj_X-nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com>,
    John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 11/6/22 2:10 AM, Default User wrote:
    Thomas Koenig wrote:

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> schrieb:
    Dilbert: Dilbert Quiet Quits
    https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-10-22

    Based on a true story.

    I'm not sure what the recent rage over quiet quitting is. It is
    not a new phenomenom. In the Dilbertverse, Wally has done so
    for decades.

    Not really. As I understand the concept, it doesn't mean avoiding
    legitimate work or goofing off. Instead, it means that when your time
    at work is done, you are off duty. No answering calls, emails or texts
    at night, weekends, vacations, that sort of thing.

    As is often the case, people hear the term and put their own
    interpretation to it.

    It can easily drift into other things, like not bothering to tell the
    boss that he’s just told you to do something impossible.

    Actually, the whole thing is alien to me, because I’m from the mainframe >> era, and, for years, I was the only person who could respond to any sort
    of software emergency. If I had to put in 36 hours straight, I had to;
    we were a billion-dollar company with only one computer (apart from
    factory-floor and laboratory minis), and the billing and the payroll had
    to keep rolling or there’d be Hell to pay.

    (Hal Heydt)
    I, too, spent some years as The Programmer On Call.

    911 Dispatch Systems on call programmer here.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Thu Nov 10 22:04:53 2022
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    In article <tkeglo$cg6$1@dont-email.me>,
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 11/8/2022 8:35 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <FLucnQmw-L_Pj_X-nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com>,
    John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 11/6/22 2:10 AM, Default User wrote:
    Thomas Koenig wrote:

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> schrieb:
    Dilbert: Dilbert Quiet Quits
    https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-10-22

    Based on a true story.

    I'm not sure what the recent rage over quiet quitting is. It is
    not a new phenomenom. In the Dilbertverse, Wally has done so
    for decades.

    Not really. As I understand the concept, it doesn't mean avoiding
    legitimate work or goofing off. Instead, it means that when your time
    at work is done, you are off duty. No answering calls, emails or texts >>>> at night, weekends, vacations, that sort of thing.

    As is often the case, people hear the term and put their own
    interpretation to it.

    It can easily drift into other things, like not bothering to tell the
    boss that he’s just told you to do something impossible.

    Actually, the whole thing is alien to me, because I’m from the mainframe >>> era, and, for years, I was the only person who could respond to any sort >>> of software emergency. If I had to put in 36 hours straight, I had to;
    we were a billion-dollar company with only one computer (apart from
    factory-floor and laboratory minis), and the billing and the payroll had >>> to keep rolling or there’d be Hell to pay.

    (Hal Heydt)
    I, too, spent some years as The Programmer On Call.

    911 Dispatch Systems on call programmer here.

    (Hal Heydt)
    So ALL your calls were dire emergencies.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Thu Nov 10 21:24:06 2022
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    On 11/10/2022 2:04 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <tkeglo$cg6$1@dont-email.me>,
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 11/8/2022 8:35 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <FLucnQmw-L_Pj_X-nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com>,
    John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 11/6/22 2:10 AM, Default User wrote:
    Thomas Koenig wrote:

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> schrieb:
    Dilbert: Dilbert Quiet Quits
    https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-10-22

    Based on a true story.

    I'm not sure what the recent rage over quiet quitting is. It is
    not a new phenomenom. In the Dilbertverse, Wally has done so
    for decades.

    Not really. As I understand the concept, it doesn't mean avoiding
    legitimate work or goofing off. Instead, it means that when your time >>>>> at work is done, you are off duty. No answering calls, emails or texts >>>>> at night, weekends, vacations, that sort of thing.

    As is often the case, people hear the term and put their own
    interpretation to it.

    It can easily drift into other things, like not bothering to tell the
    boss that he’s just told you to do something impossible.

    Actually, the whole thing is alien to me, because I’m from the mainframe >>>> era, and, for years, I was the only person who could respond to any sort >>>> of software emergency. If I had to put in 36 hours straight, I had to; >>>> we were a billion-dollar company with only one computer (apart from
    factory-floor and laboratory minis), and the billing and the payroll had >>>> to keep rolling or there’d be Hell to pay.

    (Hal Heydt)
    I, too, spent some years as The Programmer On Call.

    911 Dispatch Systems on call programmer here.

    (Hal Heydt)
    So ALL your calls were dire emergencies.

    Well, all the after hours ones were. I had one weekend where I went to
    work on Friday, went home at the end of my usual work day and was awake
    until Monday morning dealing with 50 to 60 priority 1 TSRs (a normal
    weekend would have half a dozen), THEN had to go in to the office Monday morning because my supervisor had scheduled a meeting with me for
    immediately after the Monday morning staff meeting without telling me
    what it was about. I was the first give me report (all projects ahead
    of schedule, which meant under-budget) and then passed out, having been
    awake for 72+ hours straight at that point. Someone woke me when the
    meeting ended, I staggered after my supervisor for our meeting. As soon
    as we were in his office he told me he had rescheduled it. When we had
    the meeting a few days later it was to reprimand me for falling asleep
    in the staff meeting. o_O (Obviously that wasn't the original reason,
    the real reason was so he could reprimand me for _something_ because the company had new owners and was looking to lower payroll thru
    "attrition". Even the HR person who was in the meeting with us agreed
    with my complaint about that and that reprimand didn't go in my file.
    Of course the supervisor just threw out another BS "reprimand" that I
    was "too friendly" with the clients' personnel but he weasel worded that
    enough that HR couldn't throw it out.)

    Another one. When we got these after hours priority 1 calls the contact
    was usually a dispatch supervisor or a senior dispatcher. Sometimes it
    was someone in the agency's IT department. I got the page for this call
    at 2am on a Sunday morning. Called the given number and the person who answered identified themselves as the Chief of Police for <one of the
    major west coast cities> and wanted to know why it was that as soon as
    one of his officers had been shot _my_ system ground to a halt. (No
    pressure. :P ) I finished connecting in to their system and quickly
    saw what the problem was. They were overloading their network, too much traffic because too many people were following the incident "live" and
    they hadn't upgraded their network as we had advised when we installed
    their system to be able to handle something like that. Called him back, explained what I found and suggested that he have everyone who did NOT
    have a NEED to be up to the second on the incident close out the window
    they were following it on and just run a one-time 'query incident
    history' when they wanted to see what the current situation was. I also
    said I'd have our network people contact his IT department Monday
    morning about upgrading their network to our recommended capacity. If
    the Chief complained it never reached me and all the other programmers
    agreed with my handling of it.

    Do I win? :D

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Tue Nov 15 16:48:24 2022
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    In article <tkkm9e$pc9s$1@dont-email.me>,
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 11/10/2022 2:04 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <tkeglo$cg6$1@dont-email.me>,
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 11/8/2022 8:35 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <FLucnQmw-L_Pj_X-nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com>,
    John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 11/6/22 2:10 AM, Default User wrote:
    Thomas Koenig wrote:

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> schrieb:
    Dilbert: Dilbert Quiet Quits
    https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-10-22

    Based on a true story.

    I'm not sure what the recent rage over quiet quitting is. It is >>>>>>> not a new phenomenom. In the Dilbertverse, Wally has done so
    for decades.

    Not really. As I understand the concept, it doesn't mean avoiding
    legitimate work or goofing off. Instead, it means that when your time >>>>>> at work is done, you are off duty. No answering calls, emails or texts >>>>>> at night, weekends, vacations, that sort of thing.

    As is often the case, people hear the term and put their own
    interpretation to it.

    It can easily drift into other things, like not bothering to tell the >>>>> boss that he’s just told you to do something impossible.

    Actually, the whole thing is alien to me, because I’m from the mainframe
    era, and, for years, I was the only person who could respond to any sort >>>>> of software emergency. If I had to put in 36 hours straight, I had to; >>>>> we were a billion-dollar company with only one computer (apart from
    factory-floor and laboratory minis), and the billing and the payroll had >>>>> to keep rolling or there’d be Hell to pay.

    (Hal Heydt)
    I, too, spent some years as The Programmer On Call.

    911 Dispatch Systems on call programmer here.

    (Hal Heydt)
    So ALL your calls were dire emergencies.

    Well, all the after hours ones were. I had one weekend where I went to
    work on Friday, went home at the end of my usual work day and was awake
    until Monday morning dealing with 50 to 60 priority 1 TSRs (a normal
    weekend would have half a dozen), THEN had to go in to the office Monday >morning because my supervisor had scheduled a meeting with me for
    immediately after the Monday morning staff meeting without telling me
    what it was about. I was the first give me report (all projects ahead
    of schedule, which meant under-budget) and then passed out, having been
    awake for 72+ hours straight at that point. Someone woke me when the
    meeting ended, I staggered after my supervisor for our meeting. As soon
    as we were in his office he told me he had rescheduled it. When we had
    the meeting a few days later it was to reprimand me for falling asleep
    in the staff meeting. o_O (Obviously that wasn't the original reason,
    the real reason was so he could reprimand me for _something_ because the >company had new owners and was looking to lower payroll thru
    "attrition". Even the HR person who was in the meeting with us agreed
    with my complaint about that and that reprimand didn't go in my file.
    Of course the supervisor just threw out another BS "reprimand" that I
    was "too friendly" with the clients' personnel but he weasel worded that >enough that HR couldn't throw it out.)

    Another one. When we got these after hours priority 1 calls the contact
    was usually a dispatch supervisor or a senior dispatcher. Sometimes it
    was someone in the agency's IT department. I got the page for this call
    at 2am on a Sunday morning. Called the given number and the person who >answered identified themselves as the Chief of Police for <one of the
    major west coast cities> and wanted to know why it was that as soon as
    one of his officers had been shot _my_ system ground to a halt. (No >pressure. :P ) I finished connecting in to their system and quickly
    saw what the problem was. They were overloading their network, too much >traffic because too many people were following the incident "live" and
    they hadn't upgraded their network as we had advised when we installed
    their system to be able to handle something like that. Called him back, >explained what I found and suggested that he have everyone who did NOT
    have a NEED to be up to the second on the incident close out the window
    they were following it on and just run a one-time 'query incident
    history' when they wanted to see what the current situation was. I also
    said I'd have our network people contact his IT department Monday
    morning about upgrading their network to our recommended capacity. If
    the Chief complained it never reached me and all the other programmers
    agreed with my handling of it.

    Do I win? :D

    (Hal Heydt)
    You win. Thos are certainly far more traumatic incidents than
    anything I ever had to deal with.

    While I din't have to *do* anything--other than get out of the
    way--one shop I worked in had (1) an explosive concentration of
    natural gas in the machine room (on the 14th floor of 1
    Embarcadero Center, no less), and (2) a "flood" affecting that
    same machine room when a 1.5" water line with 30 stories of
    pressure head drained a 10K gallon holding tank under the false
    floor.

    I was present for a couple of other incidents. One was in a
    conferencce room on the 14th floor when the Coalinga 'quake hit.
    Most of the rest of the people in the meeting were management and
    I was asked why I'd gotten under the table. My reply was that I
    did what *corporate* *policy* called for in that situation. They
    conceded that I was correct. At a different company where I was
    the only non-management presnt (I was brought along as "our"
    sides token techie), the data center people asserted that what we
    wanted--send data from a ASCII terminal emulator to an EBCDIC
    mainframe couldn't be done. So I (innocently) asked why not,
    since I'd been doing just that about 5 years earlier at another
    company. The data center folks immediately said, "Well, we've
    never done it." Fortunately the folks on my side of the table
    recognized the difference. A few months later a "new" feature
    was rolled out (i.e. they'd recompiled the code that ran the 3705 communications controller to do protocol and character conversions).

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  • From John W Kennedy@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Tue Nov 15 15:25:43 2022
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 11/15/22 11:48 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <tkkm9e$pc9s$1@dont-email.me>,
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 11/10/2022 2:04 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <tkeglo$cg6$1@dont-email.me>,
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 11/8/2022 8:35 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <FLucnQmw-L_Pj_X-nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com>,
    John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 11/6/22 2:10 AM, Default User wrote:
    Thomas Koenig wrote:

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> schrieb:
    Dilbert: Dilbert Quiet Quits
    https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-10-22

    Based on a true story.

    I'm not sure what the recent rage over quiet quitting is. It is >>>>>>>> not a new phenomenom. In the Dilbertverse, Wally has done so
    for decades.

    Not really. As I understand the concept, it doesn't mean avoiding >>>>>>> legitimate work or goofing off. Instead, it means that when your time >>>>>>> at work is done, you are off duty. No answering calls, emails or texts >>>>>>> at night, weekends, vacations, that sort of thing.

    As is often the case, people hear the term and put their own
    interpretation to it.

    It can easily drift into other things, like not bothering to tell the >>>>>> boss that he’s just told you to do something impossible.

    Actually, the whole thing is alien to me, because I’m from the mainframe
    era, and, for years, I was the only person who could respond to any sort >>>>>> of software emergency. If I had to put in 36 hours straight, I had to; >>>>>> we were a billion-dollar company with only one computer (apart from >>>>>> factory-floor and laboratory minis), and the billing and the payroll had >>>>>> to keep rolling or there’d be Hell to pay.

    (Hal Heydt)
    I, too, spent some years as The Programmer On Call.

    911 Dispatch Systems on call programmer here.

    (Hal Heydt)
    So ALL your calls were dire emergencies.

    Well, all the after hours ones were. I had one weekend where I went to
    work on Friday, went home at the end of my usual work day and was awake
    until Monday morning dealing with 50 to 60 priority 1 TSRs (a normal
    weekend would have half a dozen), THEN had to go in to the office Monday
    morning because my supervisor had scheduled a meeting with me for
    immediately after the Monday morning staff meeting without telling me
    what it was about. I was the first give me report (all projects ahead
    of schedule, which meant under-budget) and then passed out, having been
    awake for 72+ hours straight at that point. Someone woke me when the
    meeting ended, I staggered after my supervisor for our meeting. As soon
    as we were in his office he told me he had rescheduled it. When we had
    the meeting a few days later it was to reprimand me for falling asleep
    in the staff meeting. o_O (Obviously that wasn't the original reason,
    the real reason was so he could reprimand me for _something_ because the
    company had new owners and was looking to lower payroll thru
    "attrition". Even the HR person who was in the meeting with us agreed
    with my complaint about that and that reprimand didn't go in my file.
    Of course the supervisor just threw out another BS "reprimand" that I
    was "too friendly" with the clients' personnel but he weasel worded that
    enough that HR couldn't throw it out.)

    Another one. When we got these after hours priority 1 calls the contact
    was usually a dispatch supervisor or a senior dispatcher. Sometimes it
    was someone in the agency's IT department. I got the page for this call
    at 2am on a Sunday morning. Called the given number and the person who
    answered identified themselves as the Chief of Police for <one of the
    major west coast cities> and wanted to know why it was that as soon as
    one of his officers had been shot _my_ system ground to a halt. (No
    pressure. :P ) I finished connecting in to their system and quickly
    saw what the problem was. They were overloading their network, too much
    traffic because too many people were following the incident "live" and
    they hadn't upgraded their network as we had advised when we installed
    their system to be able to handle something like that. Called him back,
    explained what I found and suggested that he have everyone who did NOT
    have a NEED to be up to the second on the incident close out the window
    they were following it on and just run a one-time 'query incident
    history' when they wanted to see what the current situation was. I also
    said I'd have our network people contact his IT department Monday
    morning about upgrading their network to our recommended capacity. If
    the Chief complained it never reached me and all the other programmers
    agreed with my handling of it.

    Do I win? :D

    (Hal Heydt)
    You win. Thos are certainly far more traumatic incidents than
    anything I ever had to deal with.

    While I din't have to *do* anything--other than get out of the
    way--one shop I worked in had (1) an explosive concentration of
    natural gas in the machine room (on the 14th floor of 1
    Embarcadero Center, no less), and (2) a "flood" affecting that
    same machine room when a 1.5" water line with 30 stories of
    pressure head drained a 10K gallon holding tank under the false
    floor.

    I was present for a couple of other incidents. One was in a
    conferencce room on the 14th floor when the Coalinga 'quake hit.
    Most of the rest of the people in the meeting were management and
    I was asked why I'd gotten under the table. My reply was that I
    did what *corporate* *policy* called for in that situation. They
    conceded that I was correct. At a different company where I was
    the only non-management presnt (I was brought along as "our"
    sides token techie), the data center people asserted that what we wanted--send data from a ASCII terminal emulator to an EBCDIC
    mainframe couldn't be done. So I (innocently) asked why not,
    since I'd been doing just that about 5 years earlier at another
    company. The data center folks immediately said, "Well, we've
    never done it." Fortunately the folks on my side of the table
    recognized the difference. A few months later a "new" feature
    was rolled out (i.e. they'd recompiled the code that ran the 3705 communications controller to do protocol and character conversions).

    Start, raving mad. Ever since the first drop of BTAM, code-translation
    was /always/ a feature of telecommunications in the S/360 and its
    successors, and even if it hadn’t been, you had to code it in assembler,
    so you’d have access to the TR instruction anyway.

    --
    John W. Kennedy
    Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
    King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!

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  • From BCFD36@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Tue Nov 15 18:18:34 2022
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 11/15/22 08:48, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <tkkm9e$pc9s$1@dont-email.me>,

    [stuff deleted]


    (Hal Heydt)
    You win. Thos are certainly far more traumatic incidents than
    anything I ever had to deal with.

    While I din't have to *do* anything--other than get out of the
    way--one shop I worked in had (1) an explosive concentration of
    natural gas in the machine room (on the 14th floor of 1
    Embarcadero Center, no less), and (2) a "flood" affecting that
    same machine room when a 1.5" water line with 30 stories of
    pressure head drained a 10K gallon holding tank under the false
    floor.

    I was present for a couple of other incidents. One was in a
    conferencce room on the 14th floor when the Coalinga 'quake hit.
    Most of the rest of the people in the meeting were management and
    I was asked why I'd gotten under the table. My reply was that I
    did what *corporate* *policy* called for in that situation. They
    conceded that I was correct. At a different company where I was
    the only non-management presnt (I was brought along as "our"
    sides token techie), the data center people asserted that what we wanted--send data from a ASCII terminal emulator to an EBCDIC
    mainframe couldn't be done. So I (innocently) asked why not,
    since I'd been doing just that about 5 years earlier at another
    company. The data center folks immediately said, "Well, we've
    never done it." Fortunately the folks on my side of the table
    recognized the difference. A few months later a "new" feature
    was rolled out (i.e. they'd recompiled the code that ran the 3705 communications controller to do protocol and character conversions).

    For most of my career, there was no such things as after hours on call,
    at least for the software part of my life. Everything was classified and
    the facilities locked up after 6 pm or so, and the actual deployed
    systems were, um, elsewhere and therefore unavailable without a plane
    flight. However, when I worked at NASA/Ames I got a text message at 2:30
    AM or so that there was a problem (the mice were getting too hot) on the
    ISS and I needed to come in immediately. So I did. The message was
    actually generated by our software on the ISS.

    My office mate and I simultaneously jumped under our desks for the
    Coalinga Quake. It shook pretty good in Mtn. View. For the Loma Prieta
    quake the table I was under was trying to walk away. Not fun.

    --
    Dave Scruggs
    Captain, Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
    Sr. Software Engineer - Stellar Solutions (Definitely Retired)

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to Heydt on Wed Nov 16 08:30:37 2022
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 16:48:24 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
    Heydt) wrote:

    In article <tkkm9e$pc9s$1@dont-email.me>,
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 11/10/2022 2:04 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <tkeglo$cg6$1@dont-email.me>,
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 11/8/2022 8:35 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <FLucnQmw-L_Pj_X-nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com>,
    John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 11/6/22 2:10 AM, Default User wrote:
    Thomas Koenig wrote:

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> schrieb:
    Dilbert: Dilbert Quiet Quits
    https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-10-22

    Based on a true story.

    I'm not sure what the recent rage over quiet quitting is. It is >>>>>>>> not a new phenomenom. In the Dilbertverse, Wally has done so
    for decades.

    Not really. As I understand the concept, it doesn't mean avoiding >>>>>>> legitimate work or goofing off. Instead, it means that when your time >>>>>>> at work is done, you are off duty. No answering calls, emails or texts >>>>>>> at night, weekends, vacations, that sort of thing.

    As is often the case, people hear the term and put their own
    interpretation to it.

    It can easily drift into other things, like not bothering to tell the >>>>>> boss that he’s just told you to do something impossible.

    Actually, the whole thing is alien to me, because I’m from the mainframe
    era, and, for years, I was the only person who could respond to any sort >>>>>> of software emergency. If I had to put in 36 hours straight, I had to; >>>>>> we were a billion-dollar company with only one computer (apart from >>>>>> factory-floor and laboratory minis), and the billing and the payroll had >>>>>> to keep rolling or there’d be Hell to pay.

    (Hal Heydt)
    I, too, spent some years as The Programmer On Call.

    911 Dispatch Systems on call programmer here.

    (Hal Heydt)
    So ALL your calls were dire emergencies.

    Well, all the after hours ones were. I had one weekend where I went to >>work on Friday, went home at the end of my usual work day and was awake >>until Monday morning dealing with 50 to 60 priority 1 TSRs (a normal >>weekend would have half a dozen), THEN had to go in to the office Monday >>morning because my supervisor had scheduled a meeting with me for >>immediately after the Monday morning staff meeting without telling me
    what it was about. I was the first give me report (all projects ahead
    of schedule, which meant under-budget) and then passed out, having been >>awake for 72+ hours straight at that point. Someone woke me when the >>meeting ended, I staggered after my supervisor for our meeting. As soon
    as we were in his office he told me he had rescheduled it. When we had
    the meeting a few days later it was to reprimand me for falling asleep
    in the staff meeting. o_O (Obviously that wasn't the original reason,
    the real reason was so he could reprimand me for _something_ because the >>company had new owners and was looking to lower payroll thru
    "attrition". Even the HR person who was in the meeting with us agreed
    with my complaint about that and that reprimand didn't go in my file.
    Of course the supervisor just threw out another BS "reprimand" that I
    was "too friendly" with the clients' personnel but he weasel worded that >>enough that HR couldn't throw it out.)

    Another one. When we got these after hours priority 1 calls the contact >>was usually a dispatch supervisor or a senior dispatcher. Sometimes it
    was someone in the agency's IT department. I got the page for this call
    at 2am on a Sunday morning. Called the given number and the person who >>answered identified themselves as the Chief of Police for <one of the
    major west coast cities> and wanted to know why it was that as soon as
    one of his officers had been shot _my_ system ground to a halt. (No >>pressure. :P ) I finished connecting in to their system and quickly
    saw what the problem was. They were overloading their network, too much >>traffic because too many people were following the incident "live" and
    they hadn't upgraded their network as we had advised when we installed >>their system to be able to handle something like that. Called him back, >>explained what I found and suggested that he have everyone who did NOT
    have a NEED to be up to the second on the incident close out the window >>they were following it on and just run a one-time 'query incident
    history' when they wanted to see what the current situation was. I also >>said I'd have our network people contact his IT department Monday
    morning about upgrading their network to our recommended capacity. If
    the Chief complained it never reached me and all the other programmers >>agreed with my handling of it.

    Do I win? :D

    (Hal Heydt)
    You win. Thos are certainly far more traumatic incidents than
    anything I ever had to deal with.

    While I din't have to *do* anything--other than get out of the
    way--one shop I worked in had (1) an explosive concentration of
    natural gas in the machine room (on the 14th floor of 1
    Embarcadero Center, no less), and (2) a "flood" affecting that
    same machine room when a 1.5" water line with 30 stories of
    pressure head drained a 10K gallon holding tank under the false
    floor.

    I was present for a couple of other incidents. One was in a
    conferencce room on the 14th floor when the Coalinga 'quake hit.
    Most of the rest of the people in the meeting were management and
    I was asked why I'd gotten under the table. My reply was that I
    did what *corporate* *policy* called for in that situation. They
    conceded that I was correct. At a different company where I was
    the only non-management presnt (I was brought along as "our"
    sides token techie), the data center people asserted that what we >wanted--send data from a ASCII terminal emulator to an EBCDIC
    mainframe couldn't be done. So I (innocently) asked why not,
    since I'd been doing just that about 5 years earlier at another
    company. The data center folks immediately said, "Well, we've
    never done it." Fortunately the folks on my side of the table
    recognized the difference. A few months later a "new" feature
    was rolled out (i.e. they'd recompiled the code that ran the 3705 >communications controller to do protocol and character conversions).

    Reminds me of an incident where my boss wanted to use his PC to deal
    with reports generated by the minicomputer. The Official Programmer
    response was (roughly) "PCs use ASCII, we use FORTRAN". Which, of
    course, makes no sense at all. Morons.

    We used a terminal program to access and save the data
    screen-by-screen, and some contraption my boss came up with to push
    the appropriate key to get the next screen so he didn't have to. Then
    we applied a Clipper (a dBase compiler) program to parse the records
    and extract the data piece-by-piece. And it worked!

    Years later, I ran into him at a bookstore while he was preparing for
    his retirement, and he told me that, after I left, the Official
    Programmers had changed the format of the data -- but my code was so
    clear that, at least for a while, he was able to adapt it to the
    changes. Even though he wasn't a programmer, even an amateur one like
    myself.
    --
    "In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
    development was the disintegration, under Christian
    influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
    of family right."

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