• Re: Pearls Before Swine: Banned Books

    From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Mon Feb 19 14:09:22 2024
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    On Sun, 04 Feb 2024 23:38:59 -0800, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    Pearls Before Swine: Banned Books https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2024/02/04

    I am a devout Christian but I don't want to live in a theocracy. I also
    don't trust anyone to make up a list of banned books.

    On Sun, 04 Feb 2024 23:38:59 -0800, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    Pearls Before Swine: Banned Books https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2024/02/04

    I am a devout Christian but I don't want to live in a theocracy. I also
    don't trust anyone to make up a list of banned books.

    In recent history over 50 Dilbert comics books
    have been banned! Let's see Pearls Before Swine
    complain about that!

    And Tom Tomorrow in his comic strip suggests
    that Floridians will be forced to read Dilbert,
    so that would be forcing people to read apparently
    offensive books and anyone who's gone to school
    knows what it's like to be forced to read
    offensive books like The Color Purple.

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  • From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Mon Feb 19 13:32:09 2024
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    On Sun, 04 Feb 2024 23:38:59 -0800, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    Pearls Before Swine: Banned Books https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2024/02/04

    I am a devout Christian but I don't want to live in a theocracy. I also
    don't trust anyone to make up a list of banned books.

    In recent history over 50 Dilbert comics books
    have been banned! Let's see Pearls Before Swine
    complain about that!

    And Tom Tomorrow in his comic strip suggests
    that Floridians will be forced to read Dilbert,
    so that would be forcing people to read apparently
    offensive books and anyone who's gone to school
    knows what it's like to be forced to read
    offensive books like The Color Purple.

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Mon Feb 19 23:30:14 2024
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    In article <ur0kv4$ebn$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> wrote:
    And Tom Tomorrow in his comic strip suggests
    that Floridians will be forced to read Dilbert,
    so that would be forcing people to read apparently
    offensive books and anyone who's gone to school
    knows what it's like to be forced to read
    offensive books like The Color Purple.

    That is nothing. In one school, I was forced to learn long division
    against my will even though I found it extremely offensive.
    --scott
    --

    They don't do that anymore as far as I can tell, so the kids just have
    no idea how to divide on paper.
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to plutedpup@outlook.com on Mon Feb 19 22:33:08 2024
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    Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> wrote:
    And Tom Tomorrow in his comic strip suggests
    that Floridians will be forced to read Dilbert,
    so that would be forcing people to read apparently
    offensive books and anyone who's gone to school
    knows what it's like to be forced to read
    offensive books like The Color Purple.

    That is nothing. In one school, I was forced to learn long division
    against my will even though I found it extremely offensive.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Tue Feb 20 00:39:19 2024
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    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 14:33:08 -0800, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> wrote:
    And Tom Tomorrow in his comic strip suggests
    that Floridians will be forced to read Dilbert,
    so that would be forcing people to read apparently
    offensive books and anyone who's gone to school
    knows what it's like to be forced to read
    offensive books like The Color Purple.

    That is nothing. In one school, I was forced to learn long division
    against my will even though I found it extremely offensive.

    I learned long division from a school teacher who
    simply told how to do it. I find the "guessing game"
    school of pedagogy to be offensive.

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 20 09:18:33 2024
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    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 00:39:19 -0800, Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 14:33:08 -0800, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> wrote:
    And Tom Tomorrow in his comic strip suggests
    that Floridians will be forced to read Dilbert,
    so that would be forcing people to read apparently
    offensive books and anyone who's gone to school
    knows what it's like to be forced to read
    offensive books like The Color Purple.

    That is nothing. In one school, I was forced to learn long division
    against my will even though I found it extremely offensive.

    I learned long division from a school teacher who
    simply told how to do it. I find the "guessing game"
    school of pedagogy to be offensive.

    Towards the end of my time with the IRS, the training people developed
    a new theory of education: self-education.

    The /theory/ was that the instructor would do the normal preparation
    to be up on the topic but just listen to the students discuss the
    topic, intervening only when things got off track. No actual
    instruction.

    The /practice/ was the the instructor didn't bother to prep for the
    course, so anything could be proposed and accepted, however far off
    base. No instruction at all.

    I suggest that your long division instruction was superior to this.

    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to tednolan on Tue Feb 20 09:21:11 2024
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    On 19 Feb 2024 23:30:14 GMT, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>) wrote:

    In article <ur0kv4$ebn$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> wrote:
    And Tom Tomorrow in his comic strip suggests
    that Floridians will be forced to read Dilbert,
    so that would be forcing people to read apparently
    offensive books and anyone who's gone to school
    knows what it's like to be forced to read
    offensive books like The Color Purple.

    That is nothing. In one school, I was forced to learn long division >>against my will even though I found it extremely offensive.
    --scott
    --

    They don't do that anymore as far as I can tell, so the kids just have
    no idea how to divide on paper.

    When I was taking 400-level classes in the 80s, which were mostly
    about /real/ Algebra and Analysis, one of these classes involved doing
    /long division with functions/.

    You think I am kidding. I wish I were. Although it isn't that bad once
    one gets the hang of it.

    But then, I learned long division (of numbers) in grade school.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 4 20:52:25 2024
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    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 13:32:09 -0800, Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Feb 2024 23:38:59 -0800, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    Pearls Before Swine: Banned Books
    https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2024/02/04

    I am a devout Christian but I don't want to live in a theocracy. I also
    don't trust anyone to make up a list of banned books.

    In recent history over 50 Dilbert comics books
    have been banned! Let's see Pearls Before Swine
    complain about that!

    And Tom Tomorrow in his comic strip suggests
    that Floridians will be forced to read Dilbert,
    so that would be forcing people to read apparently
    offensive books and anyone who's gone to school
    knows what it's like to be forced to read
    offensive books like The Color Purple.

    I consider myself one as well - but have no time for those that would
    burn books or do the "Charlie Hebdo thing". And the creator of "Jesus
    Pis" or the Nikos Kantizakis sub-plot about Jesus throwing it all over
    in favor of a "normal life" is at least as offensive as those Danish
    cartoons.

    Frankly I have nothing but contempt for the sort of Muslims who seem
    to feel they have the right to engage in violence any time they feel
    their faith is offended.

    (Given the Mad Magazine parody of Lawrence of Arabia years ago it's
    amazing they didn't declare jihad!)

    And that very much >IS< happening more and more in Europe and European countries who are quasi-defending Muslims who do outrageous things
    like the ones who using searchlights shone "From the River to the Sea"
    onto Big Ben.

    If you're a Muslim and want to live in peace in the West as a good
    neighbor (and I know personally quite a few who do) all well and good.
    If you want to remake my society in your image to fit your social
    mores - then to Hell with you. Nowhere more so than in attitudes
    towards women.

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali has documented a lot of this in detail in her book
    Prey. (I am aware she has since converted to Christianity but Prey was
    written long before that)

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to psperson@old.netcom.invalid on Mon Mar 4 20:54:10 2024
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    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 09:21:11 -0800, Paul S Person
    <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    When I was taking 400-level classes in the 80s, which were mostly
    about /real/ Algebra and Analysis, one of these classes involved doing
    /long division with functions/.=20

    You think I am kidding. I wish I were. Although it isn't that bad once
    one gets the hang of it.

    REALLY??! I was doing this in grade 11 algebra back in 1972.

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 5 08:58:33 2024
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    On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 20:54:10 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 09:21:11 -0800, Paul S Person ><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    When I was taking 400-level classes in the 80s, which were mostly
    about /real/ Algebra and Analysis, one of these classes involved doing >>/long division with functions/.=20

    You think I am kidding. I wish I were. Although it isn't that bad once
    one gets the hang of it.

    REALLY??! I was doing this in grade 11 algebra back in 1972.

    AFAICR, I was not.

    But, as I said, it was a weird idea, but I didn't have any trouble
    doing it.

    It was, BTW, not presented as anything we had been exposed to before.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 5 08:57:04 2024
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    On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 20:52:25 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 13:32:09 -0800, Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Feb 2024 23:38:59 -0800, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    Pearls Before Swine: Banned Books
    https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2024/02/04

    I am a devout Christian but I don't want to live in a theocracy. I also
    don't trust anyone to make up a list of banned books.

    In recent history over 50 Dilbert comics books
    have been banned! Let's see Pearls Before Swine
    complain about that!

    And Tom Tomorrow in his comic strip suggests
    that Floridians will be forced to read Dilbert,
    so that would be forcing people to read apparently
    offensive books and anyone who's gone to school
    knows what it's like to be forced to read
    offensive books like The Color Purple.

    I consider myself one as well - but have no time for those that would
    burn books or do the "Charlie Hebdo thing". And the creator of "Jesus
    Pis" or the Nikos Kantizakis sub-plot about Jesus throwing it all over
    in favor of a "normal life" is at least as offensive as those Danish >cartoons.

    IIRC, that "sub-plot" was from based on something from one of the
    early Fathers claiming that the final temptation happened and involved
    choosing to live, but was, of course, greatly elaborated on by
    Kazantzakis.

    Frankly I have nothing but contempt for the sort of Muslims who seem
    to feel they have the right to engage in violence any time they feel
    their faith is offended.

    (Given the Mad Magazine parody of Lawrence of Arabia years ago it's
    amazing they didn't declare jihad!)

    And that very much >IS< happening more and more in Europe and European >countries who are quasi-defending Muslims who do outrageous things
    like the ones who using searchlights shone "From the River to the Sea"
    onto Big Ben.

    I long ago reached the rather ungenerous conclusion that a "good
    Muslim" is simply a Muslim who is not, at the moment, engaged in
    terrorist activity. Of course, many Muslims are "good" in that sense
    throughout their entire lives, but just because one is "good" today is
    no guarantee of tomorrow. I now think that this is not phrased very
    politely but, at the time, the attempt to distinguish "good Muslims"
    from "bad Muslims" was in full force and clearly misconceived.

    If you're a Muslim and want to live in peace in the West as a good
    neighbor (and I know personally quite a few who do) all well and good.
    If you want to remake my society in your image to fit your social
    mores - then to Hell with you. Nowhere more so than in attitudes
    towards women.

    Until the repeal of Roe v Wade, I enjoyed pointing out (when
    appropriate) that the main difference between the Republicans and
    Taliban was that the Taliban /actually enforced/ Traditional Family
    Values while the Republicans merely used it to get votes. Sadly, those
    days are gone forever -- at least on that issue.

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali has documented a lot of this in detail in her book
    Prey. (I am aware she has since converted to Christianity but Prey was >written long before that)
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to psperson@old.netcom.invalid on Tue Mar 5 22:27:30 2024
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    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    It was, BTW, not presented as anything we had been exposed to before.

    I frequently talk to students about how ohm's law is a universal and that it applies everywhere to every electrical network, and that everything electrical can be represented as a network.

    When you're a freshman, the variables are scalars... when you take AC circuits they become vectors... if you take a real electronics class they become functions... if you really stick it out they become matrices or even matrices of functions. But it's the same equation the whole way through so you probably should learn it well.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Robert Woodward@21:1/5 to jerryfriedman on Mon Mar 11 21:44:17 2024
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    In article <893a27ba579b2475edd178f4de8f1379@www.novabbs.com>,
    jerry.friedman99@gmail.com (jerryfriedman) wrote:

    The Horny Goat wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 09:21:11 -0800, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    When I was taking 400-level classes in the 80s, which were mostly
    about /real/ Algebra and Analysis, one of these classes involved doing >>/long division with functions/.=20

    You think I am kidding. I wish I were. Although it isn't that bad once >>one gets the hang of it.

    REALLY??! I was doing this in grade 11 algebra back in 1972.

    Are you talking about long division with polynomials, which I too did in
    11th grade (I was a year ahead), or long division with some more general class of functions, which I know nothing about?

    We also did synthetic division in 11th grade. That's short long division with polynomials.

    While the example of long division with polynomials looked familiar, I
    don't remember doing it in high school. I do remember being taught how
    to extract a square root (which I think is an application of synthetic division).

    --
    "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. —-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to jerryfriedman on Tue Mar 12 09:10:36 2024
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    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 03:34:44 +0000, jerry.friedman99@gmail.com
    (jerryfriedman) wrote:

    The Horny Goat wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 09:21:11 -0800, Paul S Person
    <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    When I was taking 400-level classes in the 80s, which were mostly
    about /real/ Algebra and Analysis, one of these classes involved doing >>>/long division with functions/.=20

    You think I am kidding. I wish I were. Although it isn't that bad once >>>one gets the hang of it.

    REALLY??! I was doing this in grade 11 algebra back in 1972.

    Are you talking about long division with polynomials, which I too did in
    11th grade (I was a year ahead), or long division with some more general >class of functions, which I know nothing about?

    I was talking, to the best of my recollection, about long division
    with polynomials. jerry.friedman99@gmail.com (jerryfriedman) may or
    may not have been, but I'm not doubting his experience. Educational
    systems (if "systems" is the word) differ, after all.

    We also did synthetic division in 11th grade. That's short long division >with polynomials.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to robertaw@drizzle.com on Sun Mar 17 11:44:43 2024
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    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 21:44:17 -0700, Robert Woodward
    <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:

    In article <893a27ba579b2475edd178f4de8f1379@www.novabbs.com>,
    jerry.friedman99@gmail.com (jerryfriedman) wrote:

    The Horny Goat wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 09:21:11 -0800, Paul S Person
    <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    When I was taking 400-level classes in the 80s, which were mostly
    about /real/ Algebra and Analysis, one of these classes involved doing
    /long division with functions/.=20

    You think I am kidding. I wish I were. Although it isn't that bad once
    one gets the hang of it.

    REALLY??! I was doing this in grade 11 algebra back in 1972.

    Are you talking about long division with polynomials, which I too did in
    11th grade (I was a year ahead), or long division with some more general
    class of functions, which I know nothing about?

    We also did synthetic division in 11th grade. That's short long division
    with polynomials.

    While the example of long division with polynomials looked familiar, I
    don't remember doing it in high school. I do remember being taught how
    to extract a square root (which I think is an application of synthetic >division).

    yes and yes - we did it in our grade 12 pre-calculus class.

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