• Re: Pearls Before Swine: Talking Technical with Young People

    From Your Name@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Thu Dec 26 18:44:34 2024
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    On 2024-12-26 03:56:13 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:

    Pearls Before Swine: Talking Technical with Young People
    https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2024/12/25

    The technology changes are so great in just a couple of decades that
    people do not understand how old technology worked.

    Lynn

    There are loads of YouTube videos of youngsters trying to use things
    like a rotary phone, cassette tape player, etc.

    Then again, the same happens with every generation. Few adults know how
    to use something like a spinning wheel or drive a horse-drawn wagon.
    :-)

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to Your Name on Thu Dec 26 08:40:06 2024
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    On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 18:44:34 +1300, Your Name wrote:

    On 2024-12-26 03:56:13 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:

    Pearls Before Swine: Talking Technical with Young People
    https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2024/12/25

    The technology changes are so great in just a couple of decades that
    people do not understand how old technology worked.

    Lynn

    There are loads of YouTube videos of youngsters trying to use things
    like a rotary phone, cassette tape player, etc.

    Then again, the same happens with every generation. Few adults know how
    to use something like a spinning wheel or drive a horse-drawn wagon. :-)

    Is anybody else here old enough to have had grandparents born in
    the 19th century? Theirs arguably was the generation to have
    witnessed the greatest technological change. Neither of my two
    grandmothers, from the Midwest, ever learned to drive a car.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Charles Packer on Thu Dec 26 13:00:38 2024
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    On Thu, 26 Dec 2024, Charles Packer wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 18:44:34 +1300, Your Name wrote:

    On 2024-12-26 03:56:13 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:

    Pearls Before Swine: Talking Technical with Young People
    https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2024/12/25

    The technology changes are so great in just a couple of decades that
    people do not understand how old technology worked.

    Lynn

    There are loads of YouTube videos of youngsters trying to use things
    like a rotary phone, cassette tape player, etc.

    Then again, the same happens with every generation. Few adults know how
    to use something like a spinning wheel or drive a horse-drawn wagon. :-)

    Is anybody else here old enough to have had grandparents born in
    the 19th century? Theirs arguably was the generation to have
    witnessed the greatest technological change. Neither of my two
    grandmothers, from the Midwest, ever learned to drive a car.


    Almost, but not quite. But my grand father grew up in an unheated house
    with a packed earth floor in northern iceland. Amazing the changes he saw during his life time!

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  • From Gary R. Schmidt@21:1/5 to Charles Packer on Fri Dec 27 01:18:07 2024
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    On 26/12/24 19:40, Charles Packer wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 18:44:34 +1300, Your Name wrote:

    On 2024-12-26 03:56:13 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:

    Pearls Before Swine: Talking Technical with Young People
    https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2024/12/25

    The technology changes are so great in just a couple of decades that
    people do not understand how old technology worked.

    Lynn

    There are loads of YouTube videos of youngsters trying to use things
    like a rotary phone, cassette tape player, etc.

    Then again, the same happens with every generation. Few adults know how
    to use something like a spinning wheel or drive a horse-drawn wagon. :-)

    Is anybody else here old enough to have had grandparents born in
    the 19th century? Theirs arguably was the generation to have
    witnessed the greatest technological change. Neither of my two
    grandmothers, from the Midwest, ever learned to drive a car.

    Yep, all four born in the 1880s or 1890s. :-)

    Nan frequently threatened to live long enough to see the return of
    Halley's Comet, alas, she didn't, so she wasn't disappointed.

    Cheers,
    Gary B-)

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Thu Dec 26 21:53:22 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    In article <vkkdv7$34n49$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 12/26/2024 2:40 AM, Charles Packer wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 18:44:34 +1300, Your Name wrote:

    On 2024-12-26 03:56:13 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:

    Pearls Before Swine: Talking Technical with Young People
    https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2024/12/25

    The technology changes are so great in just a couple of decades that
    people do not understand how old technology worked.

    Lynn

    There are loads of YouTube videos of youngsters trying to use things
    like a rotary phone, cassette tape player, etc.

    Then again, the same happens with every generation. Few adults know how
    to use something like a spinning wheel or drive a horse-drawn wagon. :-)

    Is anybody else here old enough to have had grandparents born in
    the 19th century? Theirs arguably was the generation to have
    witnessed the greatest technological change. Neither of my two
    grandmothers, from the Midwest, ever learned to drive a car.

    I knew four of my great grandparents, all born in the late 1800s. One
    of them was born in Belgium, another was born in Germany.

    My four grandparents were born from 1910 to 1917. All were born here in >Texas.

    One of my wife's grandparents was born in 1900 and his wife was born in
    1902. No birth certificates as they were Cherokees born in the Arkansas
    back woods.

    Lynn


    My paternal grandmother was married in 1900, not sure when she was born.
    She never learned to drive either.

    When my father was growing up, he knew a number of ex-slaves, including
    one who had been owned by my great-grandparents (if I have the story right).
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Mark Jackson@21:1/5 to Charles Packer on Thu Dec 26 18:48:56 2024
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    On 12/26/2024 3:40 AM, Charles Packer wrote:
    Is anybody else here old enough to have had grandparents born in
    the 19th century? Theirs arguably was the generation to have
    witnessed the greatest technological change. Neither of my two
    grandmothers, from the Midwest, ever learned to drive a car.

    All four of mine were born in the 1880s. My paternal grandparents lived
    into the 1960s (outliving my father by a decade); he drove, she did not.

    My maternal grandparents died young and my mother (born in 1909) was
    raised by *her* paternal grandparents (born in the 1860s) in a small
    town (population around 200 today) in Indiana. *She* certainly
    experienced some changes in the environment in her 92 years.

    --
    Mark Jackson - https://mark-jackson.online/
    Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders do
    generally discover everybody’s face but their own.
    - Jonathan Swift

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  • From Joy Beeson@21:1/5 to mailbox@cpacker.org on Thu Dec 26 22:21:46 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 08:40:06 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer
    <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

    Is anybody else here old enough to have had grandparents born in
    the 19th century? Theirs arguably was the generation to have
    witnessed the greatest technological change. Neither of my two
    grandmothers, from the Midwest, ever learned to drive a car.

    Grandparents? My father was born in the nineteenth century. My older
    sisters witnessed the change from horse-drawn plows to tractors.

    When I was born, there was no electricity or running water in our
    house, and this was perfectly normal.

    A few years ago I went on a tour of the duplex home the Beyer brothers
    built for themselves, and the tour guide remarked that everything in
    the house was electric, even the fireplaces. I started to remark on
    how up-to-date that was -- and realized that *nothing* in the present
    day can be as modern as that all-electric house had been, even if the description includes things that are currently impossible.

    --
    Joy Beeson
    joy beeson at centurylink dot net
    http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Joy Beeson on Fri Dec 27 18:37:03 2024
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    On 2024-12-27 03:21:46 +0000, Joy Beeson said:
    On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 08:40:06 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

    Is anybody else here old enough to have had grandparents born in
    the 19th century? Theirs arguably was the generation to have
    witnessed the greatest technological change. Neither of my two
    grandmothers, from the Midwest, ever learned to drive a car.

    Grandparents? My father was born in the nineteenth century. My older sisters witnessed the change from horse-drawn plows to tractors.

    When I was born, there was no electricity or running water in our
    house, and this was perfectly normal.

    A few years ago I went on a tour of the duplex home the Beyer brothers
    built for themselves, and the tour guide remarked that everything in
    the house was electric, even the fireplaces. I started to remark on
    how up-to-date that was -- and realized that *nothing* in the present
    day can be as modern as that all-electric house had been, even if the description includes things that are currently impossible.

    You could have a connected / "smart" house with all the latest gadgets
    and gizmos where you can control *everything* from a cellphone app or
    via voice control. :-)

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  • From Jay Morris@21:1/5 to Charles Packer on Fri Jan 3 19:53:42 2025
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 12/26/2024 2:40 AM, Charles Packer wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 18:44:34 +1300, Your Name wrote:

    On 2024-12-26 03:56:13 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:

    Pearls Before Swine: Talking Technical with Young People
    https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2024/12/25

    The technology changes are so great in just a couple of decades that
    people do not understand how old technology worked.

    Lynn

    There are loads of YouTube videos of youngsters trying to use things
    like a rotary phone, cassette tape player, etc.

    Then again, the same happens with every generation. Few adults know how
    to use something like a spinning wheel or drive a horse-drawn wagon. :-)

    Is anybody else here old enough to have had grandparents born in
    the 19th century? Theirs arguably was the generation to have
    witnessed the greatest technological change. Neither of my two
    grandmothers, from the Midwest, ever learned to drive a car.

    All four, from 1884 to 1898, but all but a grandmother died before I was
    born and she died when I was six. I still have one grandfather's
    driver's license from around the 1930s.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to petertrei@gmail.com on Mon Jan 6 15:36:46 2025
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    Manually driving a car will become a rare skill, and insurance
    policies will either carry expensive riders, or simply not cover
    it.

    Perhaps for a while, but after a decade or so manually-driven cars will
    be theftproof because the kids stealing cars won't know how to drive.
    This will have the effect of reducing insurance costs on some vehicles in
    some locations.

    On the subject of the automatomobile I strongly recommend the story "Sally"
    by Isaac Asimov.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Mon Jan 6 16:48:06 2025
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    Manually driving a car will become a rare skill, and insurance
    policies will either carry expensive riders, or simply not cover
    it.

    Perhaps for a while, but after a decade or so manually-driven cars will
    be theftproof because the kids stealing cars won't know how to drive.
    This will have the effect of reducing insurance costs on some vehicles in >some locations.

    On the subject of the automatomobile I strongly recommend the story "Sally" >by Isaac Asimov.

    How about "Why Johnny Can't Speed"?

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Mon Jan 6 08:15:47 2025
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 6 Jan 2025 15:36:46 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    Manually driving a car will become a rare skill, and insurance
    policies will either carry expensive riders, or simply not cover
    it.

    Perhaps for a while, but after a decade or so manually-driven cars will
    be theftproof because the kids stealing cars won't know how to drive.
    This will have the effect of reducing insurance costs on some vehicles in >some locations.

    On the subject of the automatomobile I strongly recommend the story "Sally" >by Isaac Asimov.

    Indeed.

    On my current pass through my great list of possible reads, starting
    with the last two James Bond novels, I was pleased to find that
    Asimov's /Nightfall and Other Stories/ had finally made it to Kindle.

    "Sally" is in /Nightfall and Other Stories/, so I had the pleasure of
    reading it recently.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Tue Jan 7 18:25:18 2025
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 2025-01-07 02:41:19 +0000, Cryptoengineer said:
    On 1/6/2025 10:36 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    Manually driving a car will become a rare skill, and insurance
    policies will either carry expensive riders, or simply not cover
    it.

    Perhaps for a while, but after a decade or so manually-driven cars will
    be theftproof because the kids stealing cars won't know how to drive.
    This will have the effect of reducing insurance costs on some vehicles in
    some locations.

    You have a point on theft, but I was thinking more of liability - if self-driving cars have far fewer accidents than manually driven ones,
    the insurance companies will charge an arm and a leg if you insist
    on taking control yourself.

    pt

    Insurance companies will *ALWAYS* charge an arm and a leg for
    everything and anything, and then pay out as little as they can get
    away with when you make a claim ... that's how they operate and how
    they make masses of money for the greedy scum who own, run and have
    shares in them. They couldn't care less about the actual customer. It's
    really no betetr than a legalised scam. :-(

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Your Name on Tue Jan 7 14:51:27 2025
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes:
    On 2025-01-07 02:41:19 +0000, Cryptoengineer said:
    On 1/6/2025 10:36 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    Manually driving a car will become a rare skill, and insurance
    policies will either carry expensive riders, or simply not cover
    it.

    Perhaps for a while, but after a decade or so manually-driven cars will
    be theftproof because the kids stealing cars won't know how to drive.
    This will have the effect of reducing insurance costs on some vehicles in >>> some locations.

    You have a point on theft, but I was thinking more of liability - if
    self-driving cars have far fewer accidents than manually driven ones,
    the insurance companies will charge an arm and a leg if you insist
    on taking control yourself.

    pt

    Insurance companies will *ALWAYS* charge an arm and a leg for
    everything and anything, and then pay out as little as they can get
    away with when you make a claim ... that's how they operate and how
    they make masses of money for the greedy scum who own, run and have
    shares in them. They couldn't care less about the actual customer. It's >really no betetr than a legalised scam. :-(

    State Farm used to send me a dividend check every year when they
    returned excess annual auto premium dollars.

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  • From Jay Morris@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Tue Jan 7 14:18:06 2025
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 1/7/2025 8:51 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes:
    On 2025-01-07 02:41:19 +0000, Cryptoengineer said:
    On 1/6/2025 10:36 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    Manually driving a car will become a rare skill, and insurance
    policies will either carry expensive riders, or simply not cover
    it.

    Perhaps for a while, but after a decade or so manually-driven cars will >>>> be theftproof because the kids stealing cars won't know how to drive.
    This will have the effect of reducing insurance costs on some vehicles in >>>> some locations.

    You have a point on theft, but I was thinking more of liability - if
    self-driving cars have far fewer accidents than manually driven ones,
    the insurance companies will charge an arm and a leg if you insist
    on taking control yourself.

    pt

    Insurance companies will *ALWAYS* charge an arm and a leg for
    everything and anything, and then pay out as little as they can get
    away with when you make a claim ... that's how they operate and how
    they make masses of money for the greedy scum who own, run and have
    shares in them. They couldn't care less about the actual customer. It's
    really no betetr than a legalised scam. :-(

    State Farm used to send me a dividend check every year when they
    returned excess annual auto premium dollars.

    USAA does that when reserves exceed a certain amount, so it's not every
    year. They're a mutual insurance company. I also get a senior bonus
    cause I've been a member so long.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to morrisj@epsilon3.me on Wed Jan 8 00:39:28 2025
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    Jay Morris <morrisj@epsilon3.me> wrote:
    On 1/7/2025 8:51 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    State Farm used to send me a dividend check every year when they
    returned excess annual auto premium dollars.

    I do not think they do this anymore as they are not structurally the
    same company they were a few decades ago and they are now responsible
    to shareholders who want to see short-term gains.

    USAA does that when reserves exceed a certain amount, so it's not every
    year. They're a mutual insurance company. I also get a senior bonus
    cause I've been a member so long.

    USAA is one of the very last of the insurance companies structured that
    way and they deserve commendation for actually serving customers.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Default User@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Wed Jan 8 07:26:48 2025
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    Cryptoengineer wrote:

    You have a point on theft, but I was thinking more of liability - if self-driving cars have far fewer accidents than manually driven ones,
    the insurance companies will charge an arm and a leg if you insist
    on taking control yourself.

    In late 2023 I read the book My Murder by Katie Williams. It's a
    near-future setting, where some people never learned to drive and use a
    type of self-driving "uber" service. Others do know how to drive and
    have manually-driven cars.

    Some of the technology in the book seems like it would be 10-20 years
    from now, other aspects way in advance of current.


    Brian

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Default User on Thu Jan 9 10:39:32 2025
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 2025-01-08 07:26:48 +0000, Default User said:
    Cryptoengineer wrote:

    You have a point on theft, but I was thinking more of liability - if
    self-driving cars have far fewer accidents than manually driven ones,
    the insurance companies will charge an arm and a leg if you insist
    on taking control yourself.

    In late 2023 I read the book My Murder by Katie Williams. It's a
    near-future setting, where some people never learned to drive and use a
    type of self-driving "uber" service. Others do know how to drive and
    have manually-driven cars.

    Some of the technology in the book seems like it would be 10-20 years
    from now, other aspects way in advance of current.


    Brian

    There are many books like that. In some the cars mostly use
    self-driving, but people can choose to take manual control if they want
    to. the iRobot movie's Audi has that option, as does Knight Rider's
    KITT.

    Of course, people who don't want to drive themsleves have been around
    since way before the car was even invented. They simply use taxis,
    buses, trains, stagecoaches, chauffeurs, etc.

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