Tim Bruening wrote:
ajr wrote:
Tim Bruening wrote:
Mat to Tuon: Withdraw your troops from the White Tower, or I will blow the
Horn of Valere again to summon the Heros of the Horn to smite you!
Tuon to Mat: [raps him on the head] I'll have no more superstition out
of you Toy. Horn of Valere summoning dead heroes...sheesh, Toy when
will you stop jumping at shadows? Oh excuse me, an owl just hooted. I must change my life plan.
Didn't Tuon hear about the fisaco at Falme?Yes. In KOD, Dragons's Eggs she tells Mat she suspects the Dragon blew
the Horn of Valere at Falme.
Tobias Wolf wrote:
On 19 Oct 2005 14:23:51 -0700, par...@gmail.com wrote:
One addition to the Seanchan attack. They did just get an additional >2-300 Shaido Wise Ones. Among them potentially Someryn.
I don't really expect the captured Wise Ones to resurface as weapons.
Think about it, Tarmon Gaidon is most likely only a couple of weeks
away, a few months at best.
It took some time even to break the captured Aes Sedai, but the Aiel
Wise Ones should be a lot tougher than that. I don't think the
Seanchan will be able to break many of them in time to be of any use
for soon upcoming battles.
Regards, TobiasAny idiot will channel defensive weaves if dropped onto a battlefield
teeming with Shadowspawn.
Net.A...@gmail.com wrote:
KoD Spoilers Below
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This post is in regard to the probable Seanchan attack on the White
Tower. In fact so many peices of information are in place, I beleive it
is possible deduce their entire plan of attack.
First also there is the prophecy: "A small white plinth stood centered
in that circle, supporting an oil-lamp made of clear glass. The flame
on that lamp burned bright and steady, without flickering. It was white too. Suddenly a pair of birds flashed out of the mist, two ravens black
as night. Streaking across the spire-top, they struck the lamp and flew
on without so much as a pause. The lamp spun and wobbled, dancing
around atop the plinth, flinging off droplets of oil. Some of those
drops caught fire in midair and vanished. Others fell around the short column, each supporting a tiny, flickering white flame. And the lamp continued to wobble on the edge of falling." - CoT Egwenes Dream
The first we hear of Seanchan plans to attack the White Tower are in
Ch4 CoT: "A Tale of a Doll" In this chapter Furyk Karede is studying a
map of Tar Valon. There are two maps on the table only the Tar Valon
one had been unrolled. They are part of Lord Yulans plans (ch4 CoT).
That is Captain of the Air Lord Abaldar Yulan. In KoD: Prologue the
High Lady Suroth orders him to send 9 out of 10 Raken to Tarabon. In
the same section, Generel Galgan does not object to her movement of the Raken so long as no To'Raken are moved. From the Guide we know that a To'Raken is larger than a Raken and can carry around 10 men.
From this, we know that at the time of the start of CoT, the Seanchan already had detailed plans circulating amoung their highest generalsfor an attack or raid on Tar Valon. The attack will be directed by a Captain of the Air, therefore we know it will involve To'Roken moving troops up to 200 km per day(Guide) until they reach Tar Valon.
The Seanchan therefore have it within their capability to send anywhere from 100 to 500 Suldam/Damane combos to Tar Valon along with some Fists
of Heaven air soldiers by hop scotching through non-settled areas.
There could be significantly more troops if they make several trips to
a secret base camp up to 100 km away from Tar Valon.
From the Guide we have a very detailed physical description of theWhite Tower. Specifically that the White Tower has a flat top, and not
a spire for a roof. It is similar to a modern day roof garden on an apartment building. In other words it is somehwere that To'Raken could land.
In KoD Ch12: "A Manufactory" Perrin meets a Seanchan civil servant. She
has just been given a promotion for a great success in manufacturing Forkroot.
In KoD During an Elaida or Tarna PoV we learn about the Tar Valon water system. Specifically that water for the White Tower is drawn from a
central source.
When the Seanchan take Amador, some hours after the battle is finished Morgase visits the High Lady Suroth. The High Lady had brought all her furniture and Seanchan screens etc. with her by To'Raken. To'Raken not
only carry passengers but cargo as well.
In KoD Seanchan spies and agents are discovered by Rand in Tear.
Plainly for an attack on the White Tower scounts and agents could have
been inserted into the vacinity of Tar Valon well before the seige
started.
Finally, Jordan does little by accident and Elaida moving her rooms to
near the roof will probably become a plot point when the Seanchan
attack.
Therefore, while the scale of the attack or raid can vary significantly
the outlines are plain:
1. Seanchan agents will attempt to pour forkroot in the White Tower
water supply.
2. Seanchan To'Raken will carry Suldam and Damane as well as limited numbers of soldiers to the roof of the White Tower. (And perhaps also
the city and even rebel Aes Sedai camp - all depends of scale of the attack, and quality of intelligence)
3. Therefore they will catch a White Tower with only 200 Aes Sedai
present in the first place, with an unknown percentage asleep from
forkroot in their tea.
4. From prophecy we know the Seanchan will acheive limited success. We
know some Aes Sedai will die and others be collared but that the
Seanchan will not retain control of the White Tower.
5. As things stand, there is no reason for the Seanchan not to acheive success except: The Asha'man bonded by Rebels, and Tower Reds,6. Presumably, the rebel AS will not have drunk the forkroot tea, so they
especially if they form large circles will come as quite a surprise.
can come to the Tower's rescue when Egwene commands them to.
Egwene: Help!!!!!!!! Most the AS are fast asleep, and Seanchan are attacking the Tower!
On Wednesday, November 30, 2005 at 4:45:38 PM UTC-8, Tim Bruening wrote:gratitude would switch their support to Egwene.
Net.A...@gmail.com wrote:Also The Gathering Storm Spoilers.
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Spoiler space ends
This post is in regard to the probable Seanchan attack on the White Tower. In fact so many peices of information are in place, I beleive it is possible deduce their entire plan of attack.
First also there is the prophecy: "A small white plinth stood centered in that circle, supporting an oil-lamp made of clear glass. The flame
on that lamp burned bright and steady, without flickering. It was white too. Suddenly a pair of birds flashed out of the mist, two ravens black as night. Streaking across the spire-top, they struck the lamp and flew on without so much as a pause. The lamp spun and wobbled, dancing
around atop the plinth, flinging off droplets of oil. Some of those drops caught fire in midair and vanished. Others fell around the short column, each supporting a tiny, flickering white flame. And the lamp continued to wobble on the edge of falling." - CoT Egwenes Dream
The first we hear of Seanchan plans to attack the White Tower are in
Ch4 CoT: "A Tale of a Doll" In this chapter Furyk Karede is studying a map of Tar Valon. There are two maps on the table only the Tar Valon
one had been unrolled. They are part of Lord Yulans plans (ch4 CoT). That is Captain of the Air Lord Abaldar Yulan. In KoD: Prologue the
High Lady Suroth orders him to send 9 out of 10 Raken to Tarabon. In
the same section, Generel Galgan does not object to her movement of the Raken so long as no To'Raken are moved. From the Guide we know that a To'Raken is larger than a Raken and can carry around 10 men.
From this, we know that at the time of the start of CoT, the Seanchan already had detailed plans circulating amoung their highest generalsfor an attack or raid on Tar Valon. The attack will be directed by a Captain of the Air, therefore we know it will involve To'Roken moving troops up to 200 km per day(Guide) until they reach Tar Valon.
The Seanchan therefore have it within their capability to send anywhere from 100 to 500 Suldam/Damane combos to Tar Valon along with some Fists of Heaven air soldiers by hop scotching through non-settled areas.
There could be significantly more troops if they make several trips to
a secret base camp up to 100 km away from Tar Valon.
From the Guide we have a very detailed physical description of the White Tower. Specifically that the White Tower has a flat top, and nota spire for a roof. It is similar to a modern day roof garden on an apartment building. In other words it is somehwere that To'Raken could land.
In KoD Ch12: "A Manufactory" Perrin meets a Seanchan civil servant. She has just been given a promotion for a great success in manufacturing Forkroot.
In KoD During an Elaida or Tarna PoV we learn about the Tar Valon water system. Specifically that water for the White Tower is drawn from a central source.
When the Seanchan take Amador, some hours after the battle is finished Morgase visits the High Lady Suroth. The High Lady had brought all her furniture and Seanchan screens etc. with her by To'Raken. To'Raken not only carry passengers but cargo as well.
In KoD Seanchan spies and agents are discovered by Rand in Tear.
Plainly for an attack on the White Tower scounts and agents could have been inserted into the vacinity of Tar Valon well before the seige started.
Finally, Jordan does little by accident and Elaida moving her rooms to near the roof will probably become a plot point when the Seanchan attack.
Therefore, while the scale of the attack or raid can vary significantly the outlines are plain:
1. Seanchan agents will attempt to pour forkroot in the White Tower water supply.
2. Seanchan To'Raken will carry Suldam and Damane as well as limited numbers of soldiers to the roof of the White Tower. (And perhaps also the city and even rebel Aes Sedai camp - all depends of scale of the attack, and quality of intelligence)
3. Therefore they will catch a White Tower with only 200 Aes Sedai present in the first place, with an unknown percentage asleep from forkroot in their tea.
4. From prophecy we know the Seanchan will acheive limited success. We know some Aes Sedai will die and others be collared but that the Seanchan will not retain control of the White Tower.
5. As things stand, there is no reason for the Seanchan not to acheive success except: The Asha'man bonded by Rebels, and Tower Reds, especially if they form large circles will come as quite a surprise.6. Presumably, the rebel AS will not have drunk the forkroot tea, so they can come to the Tower's rescue when Egwene commands them to.
Egwene: Help!!!!!!!! Most the AS are fast asleep, and Seanchan are attacking
the Tower!
I was surprised when the Salidar AS' army did NOT intervene en masse when the Seanchan attacked the White Tower! It would have been a golden opportunity to A: Gain control of the WT, and B: Gain the allegeance of many of the Tower AS, who out of
Oddly enough, the forkroot bit did not come to pass.
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