• Off the hook

    From mINE109@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 22 12:46:20 2022
    Fauci, Feb 2020, in a formerly redacted email released under FOIA:

    I just got off the phone with Kristian Anderson and he related to me his concern about the Furine site mutation in the spike protein of the
    currently circulating 2019-nCoV. I told him that as soon as possible he
    and Eddie Holmes should get a group of evolutionary biologists together
    to examine carefully the data to determine if his concerns are
    validated. He should do this very quickly and if everyone agrees with
    this concern, they should report it to the appropriate authorities. I
    would imagine that in the USA this would be the FBI and in the UK it
    would be MI5. It would be important to quickly get confirmation of the
    cause of his concern by experts in the field of coronaviruses and
    evolutionary biology. In the meantime, I will alert my US. Government
    official colleagues of my conversation with you and Kristian and
    determine what further investigation they recommend.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 22 11:06:38 2022
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:46:23 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    Fauci, Feb 2020, in a formerly redacted email released under FOIA:

    I just got off the phone with Kristian Anderson and he related to me his concern about the Furine site mutation in the spike protein of the
    currently circulating 2019-nCoV. I told him that as soon as possible he
    and Eddie Holmes should get a group of evolutionary biologists together
    to examine carefully the data to determine if his concerns are
    validated. He should do this very quickly and if everyone agrees with
    this concern, they should report it to the appropriate authorities. I
    would imagine that in the USA this would be the FBI and in the UK it
    would be MI5. It would be important to quickly get confirmation of the
    cause of his concern by experts in the field of coronaviruses and evolutionary biology. In the meantime, I will alert my US. Government official colleagues of my conversation with you and Kristian and
    determine what further investigation they recommend.

    How does this absolve him of funding the lab?

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Nov 22 12:22:59 2022
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 2:06:39 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:46:23 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    Fauci, Feb 2020, in a formerly redacted email released under FOIA:

    I just got off the phone with Kristian Anderson and he related to me his concern about the Furine site mutation in the spike protein of the currently circulating 2019-nCoV. I told him that as soon as possible he
    and Eddie Holmes should get a group of evolutionary biologists together
    to examine carefully the data to determine if his concerns are
    validated. He should do this very quickly and if everyone agrees with
    this concern, they should report it to the appropriate authorities. I
    would imagine that in the USA this would be the FBI and in the UK it
    would be MI5. It would be important to quickly get confirmation of the cause of his concern by experts in the field of coronaviruses and evolutionary biology. In the meantime, I will alert my US. Government official colleagues of my conversation with you and Kristian and
    determine what further investigation they recommend.
    How does this absolve him of funding the lab?

    ScottW

    Plus, the email contains empty promises

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Nov 23 10:03:41 2022
    On 11/22/22 1:06 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:46:23 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    Fauci, Feb 2020, in a formerly redacted email released under FOIA:

    I just got off the phone with Kristian Anderson and he related to me his
    concern about the Furine site mutation in the spike protein of the
    currently circulating 2019-nCoV. I told him that as soon as possible he
    and Eddie Holmes should get a group of evolutionary biologists together
    to examine carefully the data to determine if his concerns are
    validated. He should do this very quickly and if everyone agrees with
    this concern, they should report it to the appropriate authorities. I
    would imagine that in the USA this would be the FBI and in the UK it
    would be MI5. It would be important to quickly get confirmation of the
    cause of his concern by experts in the field of coronaviruses and
    evolutionary biology. In the meantime, I will alert my US. Government
    official colleagues of my conversation with you and Kristian and
    determine what further investigation they recommend.

    How does this absolve him of funding the lab?

    No "absolving" needed. This shows the lab creation hypothesis was taken seriously.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 23 10:21:50 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:03:43 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 11/22/22 1:06 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:46:23 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    Fauci, Feb 2020, in a formerly redacted email released under FOIA:

    I just got off the phone with Kristian Anderson and he related to me his >> concern about the Furine site mutation in the spike protein of the
    currently circulating 2019-nCoV. I told him that as soon as possible he
    and Eddie Holmes should get a group of evolutionary biologists together
    to examine carefully the data to determine if his concerns are
    validated. He should do this very quickly and if everyone agrees with
    this concern, they should report it to the appropriate authorities. I
    would imagine that in the USA this would be the FBI and in the UK it
    would be MI5. It would be important to quickly get confirmation of the
    cause of his concern by experts in the field of coronaviruses and
    evolutionary biology. In the meantime, I will alert my US. Government
    official colleagues of my conversation with you and Kristian and
    determine what further investigation they recommend.

    How does this absolve him of funding the lab?
    No "absolving" needed. This shows the lab creation hypothesis was taken seriously.

    Where's the evolutionary groups report and their "peer" review?
    At this point the lab creation hypothesis remains the most probable.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Nov 23 16:05:38 2022
    On 11/23/22 12:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:03:43 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 11/22/22 1:06 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:46:23 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    Fauci, Feb 2020, in a formerly redacted email released under FOIA:

    I just got off the phone with Kristian Anderson and he related to me his >>>> concern about the Furine site mutation in the spike protein of the
    currently circulating 2019-nCoV. I told him that as soon as possible he >>>> and Eddie Holmes should get a group of evolutionary biologists together >>>> to examine carefully the data to determine if his concerns are
    validated. He should do this very quickly and if everyone agrees with
    this concern, they should report it to the appropriate authorities. I
    would imagine that in the USA this would be the FBI and in the UK it
    would be MI5. It would be important to quickly get confirmation of the >>>> cause of his concern by experts in the field of coronaviruses and
    evolutionary biology. In the meantime, I will alert my US. Government
    official colleagues of my conversation with you and Kristian and
    determine what further investigation they recommend.

    How does this absolve him of funding the lab?
    No "absolving" needed. This shows the lab creation hypothesis was taken
    seriously.

    Where's the evolutionary groups report and their "peer" review?

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/06/17/covid-19-fauci-lab-leaks-wuhan-china-origins/7737494002/

    https://usrtk.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/NASEM_Andersen-Email_Baric-1.pdf

    At this point the lab creation hypothesis remains the most probable.

    No, it remains unsupported by actual evidence.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 24 08:45:38 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 2:05:41 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 11/23/22 12:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:03:43 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 11/22/22 1:06 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:46:23 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    Fauci, Feb 2020, in a formerly redacted email released under FOIA:

    I just got off the phone with Kristian Anderson and he related to me his >>>> concern about the Furine site mutation in the spike protein of the
    currently circulating 2019-nCoV. I told him that as soon as possible he >>>> and Eddie Holmes should get a group of evolutionary biologists together >>>> to examine carefully the data to determine if his concerns are
    validated. He should do this very quickly and if everyone agrees with >>>> this concern, they should report it to the appropriate authorities. I >>>> would imagine that in the USA this would be the FBI and in the UK it >>>> would be MI5. It would be important to quickly get confirmation of the >>>> cause of his concern by experts in the field of coronaviruses and
    evolutionary biology. In the meantime, I will alert my US. Government >>>> official colleagues of my conversation with you and Kristian and
    determine what further investigation they recommend.

    How does this absolve him of funding the lab?
    No "absolving" needed. This shows the lab creation hypothesis was taken
    seriously.

    Where's the evolutionary groups report and their "peer" review?
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/06/17/covid-19-fauci-lab-leaks-wuhan-china-origins/7737494002/

    https://usrtk.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/NASEM_Andersen-Email_Baric-1.pdf
    At this point the lab creation hypothesis remains the most probable.
    No, it remains unsupported by actual evidence.

    We can say the same for your zoo chinese/fauci coverup as well.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Nov 25 09:40:45 2022
    On 11/24/22 10:45 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 2:05:41 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 11/23/22 12:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:03:43 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 11/22/22 1:06 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:46:23 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    Fauci, Feb 2020, in a formerly redacted email released under FOIA: >>>>>>
    I just got off the phone with Kristian Anderson and he related to me his >>>>>> concern about the Furine site mutation in the spike protein of the >>>>>> currently circulating 2019-nCoV. I told him that as soon as possible he >>>>>> and Eddie Holmes should get a group of evolutionary biologists together >>>>>> to examine carefully the data to determine if his concerns are
    validated. He should do this very quickly and if everyone agrees with >>>>>> this concern, they should report it to the appropriate authorities. I >>>>>> would imagine that in the USA this would be the FBI and in the UK it >>>>>> would be MI5. It would be important to quickly get confirmation of the >>>>>> cause of his concern by experts in the field of coronaviruses and
    evolutionary biology. In the meantime, I will alert my US. Government >>>>>> official colleagues of my conversation with you and Kristian and
    determine what further investigation they recommend.

    How does this absolve him of funding the lab?
    No "absolving" needed. This shows the lab creation hypothesis was taken >>>> seriously.

    Where's the evolutionary groups report and their "peer" review?
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/06/17/covid-19-fauci-lab-leaks-wuhan-china-origins/7737494002/

    https://usrtk.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/NASEM_Andersen-Email_Baric-1.pdf
    At this point the lab creation hypothesis remains the most probable.
    No, it remains unsupported by actual evidence.

    We can say the same for your zoo chinese/fauci coverup as well.

    Only if you don't understand statistics.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 25 08:27:07 2022
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 7:40:53 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 11/24/22 10:45 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 2:05:41 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 11/23/22 12:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:03:43 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 11/22/22 1:06 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:46:23 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote: >>>>>> Fauci, Feb 2020, in a formerly redacted email released under FOIA: >>>>>>
    I just got off the phone with Kristian Anderson and he related to me his
    concern about the Furine site mutation in the spike protein of the >>>>>> currently circulating 2019-nCoV. I told him that as soon as possible he
    and Eddie Holmes should get a group of evolutionary biologists together
    to examine carefully the data to determine if his concerns are
    validated. He should do this very quickly and if everyone agrees with >>>>>> this concern, they should report it to the appropriate authorities. I >>>>>> would imagine that in the USA this would be the FBI and in the UK it >>>>>> would be MI5. It would be important to quickly get confirmation of the >>>>>> cause of his concern by experts in the field of coronaviruses and >>>>>> evolutionary biology. In the meantime, I will alert my US. Government >>>>>> official colleagues of my conversation with you and Kristian and >>>>>> determine what further investigation they recommend.

    How does this absolve him of funding the lab?
    No "absolving" needed. This shows the lab creation hypothesis was taken >>>> seriously.

    Where's the evolutionary groups report and their "peer" review?
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/06/17/covid-19-fauci-lab-leaks-wuhan-china-origins/7737494002/

    https://usrtk.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/NASEM_Andersen-Email_Baric-1.pdf
    At this point the lab creation hypothesis remains the most probable.
    No, it remains unsupported by actual evidence.

    We can say the same for your zoo chinese/fauci coverup as well.
    Only if you don't understand statistics.

    When you believe it, the odds of being true go down.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Nov 25 13:21:47 2022
    On 11/25/22 10:27 AM, ScottW wrote:

    At this point the lab creation hypothesis remains the most probable.
    No, it remains unsupported by actual evidence.

    We can say the same for your zoo chinese/fauci coverup as well.
    Only if you don't understand statistics.

    When you believe it, the odds of being true go down.

    That's the thing about truth: it's true whether you believe or not.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 25 13:06:18 2022
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 2:21:49 PM UTC-5, MINe109 wrote:
    On 11/25/22 10:27 AM, ScottW wrote:

    That's the thing about truth: it's true whether you believe or not.

    No Russian collusion

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 25 15:08:24 2022
    Funny Name is still kicking a horse that's very nearly dead.
    That's the thing about truth: it's true whether you believe or not.
    No Russian collusion

    Except in 2016, you're correct.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to Fascist Flea on Sat Nov 26 17:31:47 2022
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 6:08:25 PM UTC-5, Fascist Flea wrote:
    Funny Name is still kicking a horse that's very nearly dead.
    That's the thing about truth: it's true whether you believe or not.
    No Russian collusion
    Except in 2016, you're correct.

    Flea's rabbit ears are aimed at the stars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlNMDsJlMQ0&t=88s

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 27 21:50:20 2022
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:46:23 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    Fauci, Feb 2020, in a formerly redacted email released under FOIA:

    From the same batch of e-mails. (for some reason pasting from a pdf isn't exact)

    Before left the office for the ball aligned nCoV with the 96% bat CoV sequenced at WIV. Except for the RED the Sproteins are essentially identical at the amino acid level -well allbut the perfect insertion of 12 nucleotides that adds the furin site. 52
    is over its whole length essentially identical. | really can't think ofa plausiole natural scenariowhere you get from the bat virus or one very similar toi to nCoV. where you insert exactly4amino acids 12 nucleotide that all have to be added at the exact
    same time to gain this function- that and you don't change any other amino acid in 527 1 just can't figure out how this gets accomplished in nature. Do the alignment of the spikes at the amino acid level - i's stunning. Of course in the abit would be
    easy to generate the perfect 12 base insert that you wanted. Another scenario is that the progenitor of nCoV was a bat virus with the perfect furin cleavage site generated over evolutionary time. In this scenario RaTG13 the wiv virus was generated bya
    perfect deletionof12 nucleatides while essentially not changing any other 52 amino acid. Even more implausible imo. That is the big You weredoinggainoffunction research you would NOT use an existing clone of sars or mersv. These viruses are alrezdy human
    pathogens. What you would do's lone a bat virus they had not yet emerged. Maybe then pass it in human cells forawhile to lock in the rbs, then you reclonec and put in the mutations you are interested - oneofthe firs a polybasic cleavage site.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23316400-farrar-fauci-comms
    See page 107 for above.


    I just got off the phone with Kristian Anderson and he related to me his concern about the Furine site mutation in the spike protein of the
    currently circulating 2019-nCoV. I told him that as soon as possible he
    and Eddie Holmes should get a group of evolutionary biologists together
    to examine carefully the data to determine if his concerns are
    validated. He should do this very quickly and if everyone agrees with
    this concern, they should report it to the appropriate authorities. I
    would imagine that in the USA this would be the FBI and in the UK it
    would be MI5. It would be important to quickly get confirmation of the
    cause of his concern by experts in the field of coronaviruses and evolutionary biology. In the meantime, I will alert my US. Government official colleagues of my conversation with you and Kristian and
    determine what further investigation they recommend.

    Wade through the e-mails. They focus on the furin cleavage as the red flag for a lab leak knowing they've already got a bunch of scientists lined up to to say it could be natural. Fauci's call the cops mail is after all their conference
    calls. It's essentially a false flag op.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Nov 28 09:07:47 2022
    On 11/27/22 11:50 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:46:23 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    Fauci, Feb 2020, in a formerly redacted email released under FOIA:

    From the same batch of e-mails. (for some reason pasting from a pdf
    isn't exact)

    You're welcome.

    Before left the office for the ball aligned nCoV with the 96% bat CoV sequenced at WIV. Except for the RED the Sproteins are essentially
    identical at the amino acid level -well allbut the perfect insertion
    of 12 nucleotides that adds the furin site. 52 is over its whole
    length essentially identical. | really can't think ofa plausiole
    natural scenariowhere you get from the bat virus or one very similar
    toi to nCoV. where you insert exactly4amino acids 12 nucleotide that
    all have to be added at the exact same time to gain this function-
    that and you don't change any other amino acid in 527 1 just can't
    figure out how this gets accomplished in nature. Do the alignment of
    the spikes at the amino acid level - i's stunning. Of course in the
    abit would be easy to generate the perfect 12 base insert that you
    wanted. Another scenario is that the progenitor of nCoV was a bat
    virus with the perfect furin cleavage site generated over
    evolutionary time. In this scenario RaTG13 the wiv virus was
    generated bya perfect deletionof12 nucleatides while essentially not
    changing any other 52 amino acid. Even more implausible imo. That is
    the big You weredoinggainoffunction research you would NOT use an
    existing clone of sars or mersv. These viruses are alrezdy human
    pathogens. What you would do's lone a bat virus they had not yet
    emerged. Maybe then pass it in human cells forawhile to lock in the
    rbs, then you reclonec and put in the mutations you are interested -
    oneofthe firs a polybasic cleavage site.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23316400-farrar-fauci-comms
    See page 107 for above.

    Yes, those were the concerns. Note that actual scientists consider possibilities then compare them to the evidence. Keep wading, as you
    suggest, in other sources and you'll find evidence.

    I just got off the phone with Kristian Anderson and he related to
    me his concern about the Furine site mutation in the spike protein
    of the currently circulating 2019-nCoV. I told him that as soon as
    possible he and Eddie Holmes should get a group of evolutionary
    biologists together to examine carefully the data to determine if
    his concerns are validated. He should do this very quickly and if
    everyone agrees with this concern, they should report it to the
    appropriate authorities. I would imagine that in the USA this would
    be the FBI and in the UK it would be MI5. It would be important to
    quickly get confirmation of the cause of his concern by experts in
    the field of coronaviruses and evolutionary biology. In the
    meantime, I will alert my US. Government official colleagues of my
    conversation with you and Kristian and determine what further
    investigation they recommend.

    Wade through the e-mails. They focus on the furin cleavage as the
    red flag for a lab leak knowing they've already got a bunch of
    scientists lined up to to say it could be natural.

    Because it *could* be natural and evidence to support this has been found.

    Fauci's call the cops mail is after all their conference calls. It's essentially a
    false flag op.

    A *secret* false flag op? Let's put this in an email but redacted so the
    public won't see it for nearly three years in order to cover up?

    You're not debunking the "conspiracy theory" description of lab leak
    accusers.

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