https://www.thecentersquare.com/wisconsin/rep-brandtjen-military-ballot-voting-dropped-over-80-in-2022/article_55b57e38-701b-11ed-9d63-df129d52bd23.html?utm_source=referral&utm_medium=offthepress&utm_campaign=home
Recall Wisconsin is where it's been proven that military ballots are vulnerable to fraud.
On 11/30/22 1:14 PM, ScottW wrote:
https://www.thecentersquare.com/wisconsin/rep-brandtjen-military-ballot-voting-dropped-over-80-in-2022/article_55b57e38-701b-11ed-9d63-df129d52bd23.html?utm_source=referral&utm_medium=offthepress&utm_campaign=home
Debunked:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-wisconsin-military-voter-data-394434462726
CLAIM: Military ballot numbers in Wisconsin mysteriously decreased from 9,876 in 2020 to 1,573 in 2022, an unusually large discrepancy.
AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Wisconsin Elections Commission data contradicts the extreme discrepancy cited on social media. While the number of
military absentee voters was lower in 2022 than 2020, that’s typical in
a midterm election year.
...the numbers cited in these claims don’t match data on WEC’s website.
They also lack the important context that midterm years typically have
far lower voter turnout than presidential election years, including for military absentee ballots.
Recall Wisconsin is where it's been proven that military ballots are vulnerable to fraud.AP, Nov 28, 2022:
Wisconsin’s election practices have been effective at preventing widespread fraud, but Zapata’s actions damaged the public trust, said Meagan Wolfe, the nonpartisan administrator of the Wisconsin Election Commission.
The episode has prompted officials to consider how they could change the military ballot process to protect against small-scale fraud — and
whether such adjustments would even be worth the effort.
Military absentee ballots are a tiny part of the vote in Wisconsin — on average about 0.07% of the absentee ballots requested, according to the election commission. That has translated to around 2,800 ballots in
recent midterm elections.
“It just is really not possible to engage in much fraudulent activity without being noticed very quickly,” said Barry Burden, a political science professor and director of the Elections Research Center at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.
End quote.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:13:20 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 11/30/22 1:14 PM, ScottW wrote:
https://www.thecentersquare.com/wisconsin/rep-brandtjen-military-ballot-voting-dropped-over-80-in-2022/article_55b57e38-701b-11ed-9d63-df129d52bd23.html?utm_source=referral&utm_medium=offthepress&utm_campaign=home
Debunked:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-wisconsin-military-voter-data-394434462726
CLAIM: Military ballot numbers in Wisconsin mysteriously decreased from
9,876 in 2020 to 1,573 in 2022, an unusually large discrepancy.
AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Wisconsin Elections Commission data contradicts
the extreme discrepancy cited on social media. While the number of
military absentee voters was lower in 2022 than 2020, that’s typical in
a midterm election year.
...the numbers cited in these claims don’t match data on WEC’s website.
So what are the correct numbers. Seems like they'd be worth a mention.
They also lack the important context that midterm years typically have
far lower voter turnout than presidential election years, including for
military absentee ballots.
Recall Wisconsin is where it's been proven that military ballots are vulnerable to fraud.AP, Nov 28, 2022:
Wisconsin’s election practices have been effective at preventing
widespread fraud, but Zapata’s actions damaged the public trust, said
Meagan Wolfe, the nonpartisan administrator of the Wisconsin Election
Commission.
LoL....."nonpartisan". As they say on the battlefield on non-combatants, "ain't no such thing".
The episode has prompted officials to consider how they could change the
military ballot process to protect against small-scale fraud — and
whether such adjustments would even be worth the effort.
Military absentee ballots are a tiny part of the vote in Wisconsin — on
average about 0.07% of the absentee ballots requested, according to the
election commission. That has translated to around 2,800 ballots in
recent midterm elections.
“It just is really not possible to engage in much fraudulent activity
without being noticed very quickly,” said Barry Burden, a political
science professor and director of the Elections Research Center at the
University of Wisconsin-Madison.
End quote.
So what's the average in presidential election years?
I'm of the opinion that this years decline is probably back to normal
while 2020 was somehow....grossly inflated.
On 12/1/22 10:17 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:13:20 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 11/30/22 1:14 PM, ScottW wrote:
https://www.thecentersquare.com/wisconsin/rep-brandtjen-military-ballot-voting-dropped-over-80-in-2022/article_55b57e38-701b-11ed-9d63-df129d52bd23.html?utm_source=referral&utm_medium=offthepress&utm_campaign=home
Debunked:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-wisconsin-military-voter-data-394434462726
CLAIM: Military ballot numbers in Wisconsin mysteriously decreased from >> 9,876 in 2020 to 1,573 in 2022, an unusually large discrepancy.
AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Wisconsin Elections Commission data contradicts >> the extreme discrepancy cited on social media. While the number of
military absentee voters was lower in 2022 than 2020, that’s typical in >> a midterm election year.
...the numbers cited in these claims don’t match data on WEC’s website.
So what are the correct numbers. Seems like they'd be worth a mention.You'll find them at the WEC as mentioned by the AP by download.
They also lack the important context that midterm years typically have
far lower voter turnout than presidential election years, including for >> military absentee ballots.
Recall Wisconsin is where it's been proven that military ballots are vulnerable to fraud.AP, Nov 28, 2022:
Wisconsin’s election practices have been effective at preventing
widespread fraud, but Zapata’s actions damaged the public trust, said >> Meagan Wolfe, the nonpartisan administrator of the Wisconsin Election
Commission.
LoL....."nonpartisan". As they say on the battlefield on non-combatants, "ain't no such thing".There is in government. It's even a requirement.
https://elections.wi.gov/about-the-wec
"The Commission’s administrator, required by law to be nonpartisan,
is
selected by the Commissioners and confirmed by the Senate. As
Wisconsin’s chief election official, the administrator serves as the agency’s chief executive, leads the agency’s non-partisan staff, and carries out the Commission’s directives."
Keep looking there and you'll find the downloads for those numbers.
The episode has prompted officials to consider how they could change the >> military ballot process to protect against small-scale fraud — and
whether such adjustments would even be worth the effort.
Military absentee ballots are a tiny part of the vote in Wisconsin — on >> average about 0.07% of the absentee ballots requested, according to the >> election commission. That has translated to around 2,800 ballots in
recent midterm elections.
“It just is really not possible to engage in much fraudulent activity >> without being noticed very quickly,” said Barry Burden, a political
science professor and director of the Elections Research Center at the
University of Wisconsin-Madison.
End quote.
So what's the average in presidential election years?https://elections.wi.gov/election-result/2020-fall-general-election-results
https://elections.wi.gov/election-result/2016-fall-general-election-results
Etc. Do the math.
I'm of the opinion that this years decline is probably back to normal while 2020 was somehow....grossly inflated.You're comparing presidential and midterm turnouts. And your claim of absentee ballot fraud would have shown in *increased* voting.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 9:18:32 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 12/1/22 10:17 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:13:20 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:You'll find them at the WEC as mentioned by the AP by download.
On 11/30/22 1:14 PM, ScottW wrote:
https://www.thecentersquare.com/wisconsin/rep-brandtjen-military-ballot-voting-dropped-over-80-in-2022/article_55b57e38-701b-11ed-9d63-df129d52bd23.html?utm_source=referral&utm_medium=offthepress&utm_campaign=home
Debunked:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-wisconsin-military-voter-data-394434462726
CLAIM: Military ballot numbers in Wisconsin mysteriously decreased from >>>> 9,876 in 2020 to 1,573 in 2022, an unusually large discrepancy.
AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Wisconsin Elections Commission data contradicts >>>> the extreme discrepancy cited on social media. While the number of
military absentee voters was lower in 2022 than 2020, that’s typical in >>>> a midterm election year.
...the numbers cited in these claims don’t match data on WEC’s website.
So what are the correct numbers. Seems like they'd be worth a mention.
So you don't really know.
There is in government. It's even a requirement.They also lack the important context that midterm years typically have >>>> far lower voter turnout than presidential election years, including for >>>> military absentee ballots.
Recall Wisconsin is where it's been proven that military ballots are vulnerable to fraud.AP, Nov 28, 2022:
Wisconsin’s election practices have been effective at preventing
widespread fraud, but Zapata’s actions damaged the public trust, said >>>> Meagan Wolfe, the nonpartisan administrator of the Wisconsin Election
Commission.
LoL....."nonpartisan". As they say on the battlefield on non-combatants, "ain't no such thing".
https://elections.wi.gov/about-the-wec
"The Commission’s administrator, required by law to be nonpartisan,
Yeah....the law can make human nature disappear.
You're comparing presidential and midterm turnouts. And your claim of
absentee ballot fraud would have shown in *increased* voting.
No specifics on military ballots.
But yes...that's what I said. 2020 was the year of the fraud.
~200,000 more votes than 2016
We should all bear in mind that scottw inhabits a dimension that has little in common with reality. For example, he believes (really and truly) that crackpot sites like "redstate" and fake-pious cesspools of religious claptrap deliver "truth". MSMBut yes...that's what I said. 2020 was the year of the fraud.
Is that question for anyone, or are you trying to drag Shmoo scottw to reality and hope he learns something?~200,000 more votes than 2016What happened in 2020 that might have increased the level of absentee voting?
And Trump outperformed his polling, so it's hard to blame fraudBut her emails! And, as Trump reminded us in a recent tantrum, every President has made off with Official Documents.
for his defeat.
On 12/1/22 11:48 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 9:18:32 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 12/1/22 10:17 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:13:20 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 11/30/22 1:14 PM, ScottW wrote:
https://www.thecentersquare.com/wisconsin/rep-brandtjen-military-ballot-voting-dropped-over-80-in-2022/article_55b57e38-701b-11ed-9d63-df129d52bd23.html?utm_source=referral&utm_medium=offthepress&utm_campaign=home
Debunked:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-wisconsin-military-voter-data-394434462726
CLAIM: Military ballot numbers in Wisconsin mysteriously decreased from >>>> 9,876 in 2020 to 1,573 in 2022, an unusually large discrepancy.
AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Wisconsin Elections Commission data contradicts
the extreme discrepancy cited on social media. While the number of
military absentee voters was lower in 2022 than 2020, that’s typical in
a midterm election year.
...the numbers cited in these claims don’t match data on WEC’s website.
So what are the correct numbers. Seems like they'd be worth a mention. >> You'll find them at the WEC as mentioned by the AP by download.
So you don't really know.I trust the AP on this one. Following the cite, you'd find this:
"Wisconsin Elections Commission data shows that more than 1,900 military votes were counted in November’s election. That number, which is still being updated as clerks report their data, is higher than the 1,573
cited in the posts."
There is in government. It's even a requirement.They also lack the important context that midterm years typically have >>>> far lower voter turnout than presidential election years, including for >>>> military absentee ballots.
Recall Wisconsin is where it's been proven that military ballots are vulnerable to fraud.AP, Nov 28, 2022:
Wisconsin’s election practices have been effective at preventing
widespread fraud, but Zapata’s actions damaged the public trust, said >>>> Meagan Wolfe, the nonpartisan administrator of the Wisconsin Election >>>> Commission.
LoL....."nonpartisan". As they say on the battlefield on non-combatants, "ain't no such thing".
https://elections.wi.gov/about-the-wec
"The Commission’s administrator, required by law to be nonpartisan,
Yeah....the law can make human nature disappear.I won't be able to convince you otherwise, but people can rise above
their biases. Professions depend on it.
You're comparing presidential and midterm turnouts. And your claim of
absentee ballot fraud would have shown in *increased* voting.
No specifics on military ballots.What happened in 2020 that might have increased the level of absentee voting? And Trump outperformed his polling, so it's hard to blame fraud
But yes...that's what I said. 2020 was the year of the fraud.
~200,000 more votes than 2016
for his defeat.
And Trump outperformed his polling, so it's hard to blame fraudWe'll never know as no one can or will canvass the vote.
for his defeat.
Pretty much why over half the population thinks our elections are
not what they should be.
MINe109 wrote:sources like CNN (and <SHRIEK!> MSNBC) only report scottw's "truth" by accident.
We should all bear in mind that scottw inhabits a dimension that has little in common with reality. For example, he believes (really and truly) that crackpot sites like "redstate" and fake-pious cesspools of religious claptrap deliver "truth". MSMBut yes...that's what I said. 2020 was the year of the fraud.
Is that question for anyone, or are you trying to drag Shmoo scottw to reality and hope he learns something?~200,000 more votes than 2016What happened in 2020 that might have increased the level of absentee voting?
And Trump outperformed his polling, so it's hard to blame fraudBut her emails! And, as Trump reminded us in a recent tantrum, every President has made off with Official Documents.
for his defeat.
https://t.ly/yeN5
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:46:01 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 12/1/22 11:48 AM, ScottW wrote:
I won't be able to convince you otherwise, but people can riseLoL....."nonpartisan". As they say on the battlefield onThere is in government. It's even a requirement.
non-combatants, "ain't no such thing".
https://elections.wi.gov/about-the-wec
"The Commission’s administrator, required by law to be
nonpartisan,
Yeah....the law can make human nature disappear.
above their biases. Professions depend on it.
Is election commission administrator a profession? Hmmmm, can you
get a degree in that?
Apparently not.... https://aceproject.org/electoral-advice/archive/questions/replies/902942248
What happened in 2020 that might have increased the level ofYou're comparing presidential and midterm turnouts. And your
claim of absentee ballot fraud would have shown in *increased*
voting.
No specifics on military ballots. But yes...that's what I said.
2020 was the year of the fraud. ~200,000 more votes than 2016
absentee voting? And Trump outperformed his polling, so it's hard
to blame fraud for his defeat.
We'll never know as no one can or will canvass the vote.
Pretty much why over half the population thinks our elections are not
what they should be.
And you can't convince them otherwise with a lack of evidence due to a lack of investigations.
Yeah....the law can make human nature disappear.
On 12/1/22 6:27 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:46:01 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 12/1/22 11:48 AM, ScottW wrote:
I won't be able to convince you otherwise, but people can riseLoL....."nonpartisan". As they say on the battlefield onThere is in government. It's even a requirement.
non-combatants, "ain't no such thing".
https://elections.wi.gov/about-the-wec
"The Commission’s administrator, required by law to be
nonpartisan,
Yeah....the law can make human nature disappear.
above their biases. Professions depend on it.
Is election commission administrator a profession? Hmmmm, can youLeaving aside your conflation of the general topic of 'profession' with
get a degree in that?
a specific one, yes, you can:
https://www.hhh.umn.edu/certificate-programs/certificate-election-administration
On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 7:12:43 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 12/1/22 6:27 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:46:01 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:Leaving aside your conflation of the general topic of 'profession' with
On 12/1/22 11:48 AM, ScottW wrote:
I won't be able to convince you otherwise, but people can riseLoL....."nonpartisan". As they say on the battlefield onThere is in government. It's even a requirement.
non-combatants, "ain't no such thing".
https://elections.wi.gov/about-the-wec
"The Commission’s administrator, required by law to be
nonpartisan,
Yeah....the law can make human nature disappear.
above their biases. Professions depend on it.
Is election commission administrator a profession? Hmmmm, can you
get a degree in that?
a specific one, yes, you can:
https://www.hhh.umn.edu/certificate-programs/certificate-election-administration
Certificates as degrees? Wow.....I have a degree in birth...and about 40 more
in various technical subjects.
Meanwhile the counts of voter fraud keep piling up.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud
On 12/2/22 4:31 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 7:12:43 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 12/1/22 6:27 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:46:01 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:Leaving aside your conflation of the general topic of 'profession' with >> a specific one, yes, you can:
On 12/1/22 11:48 AM, ScottW wrote:
I won't be able to convince you otherwise, but people can riseLoL....."nonpartisan". As they say on the battlefield onThere is in government. It's even a requirement.
non-combatants, "ain't no such thing".
https://elections.wi.gov/about-the-wec
"The Commission’s administrator, required by law to be
nonpartisan,
Yeah....the law can make human nature disappear.
above their biases. Professions depend on it.
Is election commission administrator a profession? Hmmmm, can you
get a degree in that?
https://www.hhh.umn.edu/certificate-programs/certificate-election-administration
Certificates as degrees? Wow.....I have a degree in birth...and about 40 moreI'm sure you consider yourself a professional.
in various technical subjects.
Of course, you had to overlook those international degrees in electoral administration
to find your link. However, the subject is covered in the
US under "Public Policy" in such programs as found here at Liberty U:
https://www.liberty.edu/online/government/masters/public-policy/campaigns-and-elections/
On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 4:40:54 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 12/2/22 4:31 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 7:12:43 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
Of course, you had to overlook those international degrees in
electoral administration
Because they're in the broader subject of international election
study. Not specifically administering US elections.
to find your link. However, the subject is covered in the US under
"Public Policy" in such programs as found here at Liberty U:
https://www.liberty.edu/online/government/masters/public-policy/campaigns-and-elections/
Once again...you don't even read your own links.
Are you passionate about campaigns, political management, and
elections? A master’s degree can help you achieve your goals! Liberty University’s Master of Arts in Public Policy (MAPP) – Campaigns and Elections can help set you on a career path in fundraising, data
analysis, or political marketing.
Hard to justify a degree in election administration as there is NO
MONEY IN IT....unless you can sell someone a victory. But who would
be willing to pay for that.......
On 12/2/22 11:03 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 4:40:54 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 12/2/22 4:31 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 7:12:43 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
Of course, you had to overlook those international degrees in
electoral administration
Because they're in the broader subject of international electionThe US is in the world, yes?
study. Not specifically administering US elections.
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