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  • Joe's vote buying just jumped way up

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 8 11:07:25 2022
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-to-announce-36-billion-for-ailing-teamsters-pension-fund/ar-AA152VEL


    This is not a loan. Covid relief laws will haunt us for all eternity.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Dec 8 11:59:41 2022
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:07:27 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-to-announce-36-billion-for-ailing-teamsters-pension-fund/ar-AA152VEL


    This is not a loan. Covid relief laws will haunt us for all eternity.

    ScottW

    Probably wont work Hes not a favorite of truck drivers.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to hootervil...@yahoo.com on Thu Dec 8 17:19:59 2022
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:59:42 AM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:07:27 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-to-announce-36-billion-for-ailing-teamsters-pension-fund/ar-AA152VEL


    This is not a loan. Covid relief laws will haunt us for all eternity.

    ScottW
    Probably wont work Hes not a favorite of truck drivers.

    Independent truck drivers most impacted by fuel and other regulatory restrictions
    and AB5 in cal. and pushed by Biden are not in Teamsters.

    ScottW

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Dec 8 23:19:35 2022
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 8:20:00 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:59:42 AM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:07:27 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-to-announce-36-billion-for-ailing-teamsters-pension-fund/ar-AA152VEL


    This is not a loan. Covid relief laws will haunt us for all eternity.

    ScottW
    Probably wont work Hes not a favorite of truck drivers.
    Independent truck drivers most impacted by fuel and other regulatory restrictions
    and AB5 in cal. and pushed by Biden are not in Teamsters.


    ScottW


    I was talking about Teamsters, not independent owner/operators

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to hootervil...@yahoo.com on Fri Dec 9 15:28:43 2022
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:19:37 PM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 8:20:00 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:59:42 AM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:07:27 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-to-announce-36-billion-for-ailing-teamsters-pension-fund/ar-AA152VEL


    This is not a loan. Covid relief laws will haunt us for all eternity.

    ScottW
    Probably wont work Hes not a favorite of truck drivers.
    Independent truck drivers most impacted by fuel and other regulatory restrictions
    and AB5 in cal. and pushed by Biden are not in Teamsters.


    ScottW
    I was talking about Teamsters, not independent owner/operators

    Teamster drivers don't pay for the fuel their truck consumes. It doesn't affect their paycheck.

    I think the dissatisfaction with Joe is in the independent trucker ranks.

    ScottW

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Dec 9 17:05:57 2022
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:28:44 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:19:37 PM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 8:20:00 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:59:42 AM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:07:27 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-to-announce-36-billion-for-ailing-teamsters-pension-fund/ar-AA152VEL


    This is not a loan. Covid relief laws will haunt us for all eternity.

    ScottW
    Probably wont work Hes not a favorite of truck drivers.
    Independent truck drivers most impacted by fuel and other regulatory restrictions
    and AB5 in cal. and pushed by Biden are not in Teamsters.


    ScottW
    I was talking about Teamsters, not independent owner/operators
    Teamster drivers don't pay for the fuel their truck consumes. It doesn't affect their paycheck.

    I think the dissatisfaction with Joe is in the independent trucker ranks.

    ScottW

    Who is talking about fuel costs.
    I'm not, Its irrelevant to my point about Teamster members not going for Biden, I have been talking about TEAMSTERS.. Wage earners and piece rate earners. I have NEVER been talking
    about owner operators

    First of all there is a great divide between trade unionists and progressive unions
    representing government worker, teachers, and other professionals, who are mostly leftistsB

    And among the trade unionists, Teamsters are way less liberal than the rest. I'll give you this. The Teamsters have expanded beyond truck drivers.
    But among the core, wage earning and load rate truck drivers, they are not a very woke progressive bunch of unionists.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to hootervil...@yahoo.com on Fri Dec 9 22:32:15 2022
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:05:59 PM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:28:44 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:19:37 PM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 8:20:00 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:59:42 AM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:07:27 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-to-announce-36-billion-for-ailing-teamsters-pension-fund/ar-AA152VEL


    This is not a loan. Covid relief laws will haunt us for all eternity.

    ScottW
    Probably wont work Hes not a favorite of truck drivers.
    Independent truck drivers most impacted by fuel and other regulatory restrictions
    and AB5 in cal. and pushed by Biden are not in Teamsters.


    ScottW
    I was talking about Teamsters, not independent owner/operators
    Teamster drivers don't pay for the fuel their truck consumes. It doesn't affect their paycheck.

    I think the dissatisfaction with Joe is in the independent trucker ranks.

    ScottW
    Who is talking about fuel costs.
    I'm not, Its irrelevant to my point about Teamster members not going for Biden,

    Then you have no point. Teamsters leadership endorsed Biden and the membership voted accordingly. Independent truckers have been suffering under Biden
    but union truckers are not any more than any average working person.
    They may not be happy about inflation but having their pensions propped up
    will go a long way for many approaching retirement.
    I don't think woke BS is even on their radar compared to support for their union benefits.

    ScottW

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Dec 10 10:04:23 2022
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 1:32:17 AM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:05:59 PM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:28:44 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:19:37 PM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 8:20:00 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:59:42 AM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:07:27 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-to-announce-36-billion-for-ailing-teamsters-pension-fund/ar-AA152VEL


    This is not a loan. Covid relief laws will haunt us for all eternity.

    ScottW
    Probably wont work Hes not a favorite of truck drivers.
    Independent truck drivers most impacted by fuel and other regulatory restrictions
    and AB5 in cal. and pushed by Biden are not in Teamsters.


    ScottW
    I was talking about Teamsters, not independent owner/operators
    Teamster drivers don't pay for the fuel their truck consumes. It doesn't affect their paycheck.

    I think the dissatisfaction with Joe is in the independent trucker ranks.

    ScottW
    Who is talking about fuel costs.
    I'm not, Its irrelevant to my point about Teamster members not going for Biden,
    Then you have no point. Teamsters leadership endorsed Biden and the membership
    voted accordingly. Independent truckers have been suffering under Biden
    but union truckers are not any more than any average working person.
    They may not be happy about inflation but having their pensions propped up will go a long way for many approaching retirement.
    I don't think woke BS is even on their radar compared to support for their union benefits.

    ScottW

    Please provide documentation that Teamsters members so voted

    "It’s unclear how Teamsters voted in the 2020 election. Pre-election survey data collected by the IBT was never released, but anyone working at UPS, YRC, or other major Teamster employers would tell you that the membership was sharply divided on
    whether or not they supported Trump.

    What Did The Teamsters Do?

    What we do know is that Teamsters chose three issue priorities on an internal poll sent to all active members: 1) protecting our pensions, 2) enhancing the right of workers to organize, and 3) negotiating trade deals that benefit workers instead of
    shipping their jobs away. These are important issues that not only matter to Democrat, Republican, and Independent Teamsters, but to the working class as a whole."

    from
    https://www.teamsterrebel.com/home/election2020

    Notice Item 3.. Biden and the Dems fail on this point
    Teamster rank and file are let down
    thus, the Biden vote from other ubions was not met by the Teamster members.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to hootervil...@yahoo.com on Sat Dec 10 16:28:27 2022
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 10:04:25 AM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 1:32:17 AM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:05:59 PM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:28:44 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:19:37 PM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 8:20:00 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:59:42 AM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:07:27 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-to-announce-36-billion-for-ailing-teamsters-pension-fund/ar-AA152VEL


    This is not a loan. Covid relief laws will haunt us for all eternity.

    ScottW
    Probably wont work Hes not a favorite of truck drivers.
    Independent truck drivers most impacted by fuel and other regulatory restrictions
    and AB5 in cal. and pushed by Biden are not in Teamsters.


    ScottW
    I was talking about Teamsters, not independent owner/operators
    Teamster drivers don't pay for the fuel their truck consumes. It doesn't affect their paycheck.

    I think the dissatisfaction with Joe is in the independent trucker ranks.

    ScottW
    Who is talking about fuel costs.
    I'm not, Its irrelevant to my point about Teamster members not going for Biden,
    Then you have no point. Teamsters leadership endorsed Biden and the membership
    voted accordingly. Independent truckers have been suffering under Biden
    but union truckers are not any more than any average working person.
    They may not be happy about inflation but having their pensions propped up will go a long way for many approaching retirement.
    I don't think woke BS is even on their radar compared to support for their union benefits.

    ScottW
    Please provide documentation that Teamsters members so voted

    https://teamster.org/2021/02/teamsters-help-power-biden-harris-ticket-to-victory/

    Nobody has an exact vote count but it's very clear Biden did far better than Hillary with the overall union vote.
    Employees in energy and coal tended to be more for Trump but most others all swang back toward the dem ticket.
    And regardless how the rank and file voted the unions funded the Biden campaign with massive cash donations.

    ScottW

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Dec 10 21:26:19 2022
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 7:28:29 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 10:04:25 AM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 1:32:17 AM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:05:59 PM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:28:44 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:19:37 PM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 8:20:00 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:59:42 AM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:07:27 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-to-announce-36-billion-for-ailing-teamsters-pension-fund/ar-AA152VEL


    This is not a loan. Covid relief laws will haunt us for all eternity.

    ScottW
    Probably wont work Hes not a favorite of truck drivers.
    Independent truck drivers most impacted by fuel and other regulatory restrictions
    and AB5 in cal. and pushed by Biden are not in Teamsters.


    ScottW
    I was talking about Teamsters, not independent owner/operators
    Teamster drivers don't pay for the fuel their truck consumes. It doesn't affect their paycheck.

    I think the dissatisfaction with Joe is in the independent trucker ranks.

    ScottW
    Who is talking about fuel costs.
    I'm not, Its irrelevant to my point about Teamster members not going for Biden,
    Then you have no point. Teamsters leadership endorsed Biden and the membership
    voted accordingly. Independent truckers have been suffering under Biden but union truckers are not any more than any average working person. They may not be happy about inflation but having their pensions propped up
    will go a long way for many approaching retirement.
    I don't think woke BS is even on their radar compared to support for their union benefits.

    ScottW
    Please provide documentation that Teamsters members so voted
    https://teamster.org/2021/02/teamsters-help-power-biden-harris-ticket-to-victory/

    Nobody has an exact vote count but it's very clear Biden did far better than Hillary with the overall union vote.
    Employees in energy and coal tended to be more for Trump but most others all swang back toward the dem ticket.
    And regardless how the rank and file voted the unions funded the Biden campaign with massive cash donations.

    ScottW

    There is no argument at all about the overall union vote.
    We are talking about Teamster members

    In some cases that overall union money was well spent in other cases it was misspent

    Generally, between 15% t0 37% of union money goes to direct representation (bargaining, organizing, shop steward services, member representation services) , the majority of the money is spent on politics. I just read those stats today in another article
    about right to work issues.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to hootervil...@yahoo.com on Sat Dec 10 22:28:11 2022
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 9:26:21 PM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 7:28:29 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 10:04:25 AM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 1:32:17 AM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:05:59 PM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:28:44 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:19:37 PM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 8:20:00 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:59:42 AM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:07:27 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-to-announce-36-billion-for-ailing-teamsters-pension-fund/ar-AA152VEL


    This is not a loan. Covid relief laws will haunt us for all eternity.

    ScottW
    Probably wont work Hes not a favorite of truck drivers.
    Independent truck drivers most impacted by fuel and other regulatory restrictions
    and AB5 in cal. and pushed by Biden are not in Teamsters.


    ScottW
    I was talking about Teamsters, not independent owner/operators
    Teamster drivers don't pay for the fuel their truck consumes. It doesn't affect their paycheck.

    I think the dissatisfaction with Joe is in the independent trucker ranks.

    ScottW
    Who is talking about fuel costs.
    I'm not, Its irrelevant to my point about Teamster members not going for Biden,
    Then you have no point. Teamsters leadership endorsed Biden and the membership
    voted accordingly. Independent truckers have been suffering under Biden but union truckers are not any more than any average working person. They may not be happy about inflation but having their pensions propped up
    will go a long way for many approaching retirement.
    I don't think woke BS is even on their radar compared to support for their union benefits.

    ScottW
    Please provide documentation that Teamsters members so voted
    https://teamster.org/2021/02/teamsters-help-power-biden-harris-ticket-to-victory/

    Nobody has an exact vote count but it's very clear Biden did far better than Hillary with the overall union vote.
    Employees in energy and coal tended to be more for Trump but most others all swang back toward the dem ticket.
    And regardless how the rank and file voted the unions funded the Biden campaign with massive cash donations.

    ScottW
    There is no argument at all about the overall union vote.
    We are talking about Teamster members

    For which there is no explicit data beyond the result of the election.

    ScottW

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Dec 12 20:27:52 2022
    On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:28:13 AM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 9:26:21 PM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 7:28:29 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 10:04:25 AM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 1:32:17 AM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:05:59 PM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:28:44 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:19:37 PM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 8:20:00 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:59:42 AM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:07:27 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-to-announce-36-billion-for-ailing-teamsters-pension-fund/ar-AA152VEL


    This is not a loan. Covid relief laws will haunt us for all eternity.

    ScottW
    Probably wont work Hes not a favorite of truck drivers.
    Independent truck drivers most impacted by fuel and other regulatory restrictions
    and AB5 in cal. and pushed by Biden are not in Teamsters.


    ScottW
    I was talking about Teamsters, not independent owner/operators
    Teamster drivers don't pay for the fuel their truck consumes. It doesn't affect their paycheck.

    I think the dissatisfaction with Joe is in the independent trucker ranks.

    ScottW
    Who is talking about fuel costs.
    I'm not, Its irrelevant to my point about Teamster members not going for Biden,
    Then you have no point. Teamsters leadership endorsed Biden and the membership
    voted accordingly. Independent truckers have been suffering under Biden
    but union truckers are not any more than any average working person. They may not be happy about inflation but having their pensions propped up
    will go a long way for many approaching retirement.
    I don't think woke BS is even on their radar compared to support for their union benefits.

    ScottW
    Please provide documentation that Teamsters members so voted
    https://teamster.org/2021/02/teamsters-help-power-biden-harris-ticket-to-victory/

    Nobody has an exact vote count but it's very clear Biden did far better than Hillary with the overall union vote.
    Employees in energy and coal tended to be more for Trump but most others all swang back toward the dem ticket.
    And regardless how the rank and file voted the unions funded the Biden campaign with massive cash donations.

    ScottW
    There is no argument at all about the overall union vote.
    We are talking about Teamster members
    For which there is no explicit data beyond the result of the election.

    ScottW

    no polls, but indications that Teamster members don't back the Dems

    https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-roots-of-gender-bias%3A-misogynist-hadiths-in-Marhumah/a40ff9069659a64ca7678fa1faa6f8663ebbe8b6

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/miacathell/2022/11/05/john-fetterman-blue-collar-workers-n2615534

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2022/09/13/biden-white-house-moving-frantically-to-avert-a-looming-economic-disaster-this-we-n2612988
    (not pro-Rep, but pissed at Biden)

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/12/29/union-scum-seasonal-ups-workers-had-paychecks-taken-by-local-teamsters-chapter-in-boston-n2538235
    Teamsters union steals wages from some workers, that won't go over very well)

    https://townhall.com/columnists/salenazito/2018/10/16/a-republican-red-tide-is-pushing-back-against-the-dems-blue-wave-n2528759



    My favorite saying about unions is this:

    If you have a job, you've got a boss
    If you have a union job, you've got two bosses.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 22:37:42 2022
    Clippety-clop, clippety-clop...

    This is not a loan.

    From shoring up a union's finances to "Joe's vote buying" is quite the leap. Are you Shmooing on Iron Man's shoe-rockets?

    When was the last time you commented on Trump's nonstop grifting? It's been in all the Real News. $50M here, $100M there - the marching morons keep dumping cash on the orange turd-monster. Even if your asinine description of a Congressional allocation
    for a huge union crippled by the pandemic were a little bit true, at least there's a quid pro quo: Cash for votes. Trump gives his victims nothing - zero, nada, goose egg. He takes and takes and takes, and never gives anything back.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to Fascist Flea on Wed Dec 14 10:12:17 2022
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 1:37:44 AM UTC-5, Fascist Flea wrote:
    Clippety-clop, clippety-clop...

    This is not a loan.

    From shoring up a union's finances to "Joe's vote buying" is quite the leap. Are you Shmooing on Iron Man's shoe-rockets?

    When was the last time you commented on Trump's nonstop grifting? It's been in all the Real News. $50M here, $100M there - the marching morons keep dumping cash on the orange turd-monster. Even if your asinine description of a Congressional allocation
    for a huge union crippled by the pandemic were a little bit true, at least there's a quid pro quo: Cash for votes. Trump gives his victims nothing - zero, nada, goose egg. He takes and takes and takes, and never gives anything back.


    Trump bought my vote and paid me back with a wall, and a policy remove illegals.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Dec 14 10:20:31 2022
    On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:28:13 AM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 9:26:21 PM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 7:28:29 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 10:04:25 AM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 1:32:17 AM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:05:59 PM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:28:44 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:19:37 PM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 8:20:00 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:59:42 AM UTC-8, hootervil...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:07:27 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-to-announce-36-billion-for-ailing-teamsters-pension-fund/ar-AA152VEL


    This is not a loan. Covid relief laws will haunt us for all eternity.

    ScottW
    Probably wont work Hes not a favorite of truck drivers.
    Independent truck drivers most impacted by fuel and other regulatory restrictions
    and AB5 in cal. and pushed by Biden are not in Teamsters.


    ScottW
    I was talking about Teamsters, not independent owner/operators
    Teamster drivers don't pay for the fuel their truck consumes. It doesn't affect their paycheck.

    I think the dissatisfaction with Joe is in the independent trucker ranks.

    ScottW
    Who is talking about fuel costs.
    I'm not, Its irrelevant to my point about Teamster members not going for Biden,
    Then you have no point. Teamsters leadership endorsed Biden and the membership
    voted accordingly. Independent truckers have been suffering under Biden
    but union truckers are not any more than any average working person. They may not be happy about inflation but having their pensions propped up
    will go a long way for many approaching retirement.
    I don't think woke BS is even on their radar compared to support for their union benefits.

    ScottW
    Please provide documentation that Teamsters members so voted
    https://teamster.org/2021/02/teamsters-help-power-biden-harris-ticket-to-victory/

    Nobody has an exact vote count but it's very clear Biden did far better than Hillary with the overall union vote.
    Employees in energy and coal tended to be more for Trump but most others all swang back toward the dem ticket.
    And regardless how the rank and file voted the unions funded the Biden campaign with massive cash donations.

    ScottW
    There is no argument at all about the overall union vote.
    We are talking about Teamster members
    For which there is no explicit data beyond the result of the election.

    ScottW

    a side note.
    Most unions select their Intenational President either at convention, by delegates, or by
    an executive board.
    However, the teamsters have a direct election by the popular vote of its members.
    Two candidates ran, one being the selected replacement for Hoffa Jr. A more traditional liberal
    The other, a progressive. The progressive won with about 2/3 majority
    But here is the big HOWEVER: Only 11% of the member voted.
    To me, this indicates that the members have a huge political apathy towards Democrat politics. They just want to pay their dues, get a good salary and working conditions.
    They want the union to simply do its job and represent them.
    They don't want to be bothered by union politics, they are not activists, and they are not married to the Democrat party.

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 14 18:06:25 2022
    Funny, what are you splurging on this year-end?
    If you have unspent bucks in your medical savings
    account, I'd recommend a brain tune-up.

    they are not married to the Democrat party.

    Were you this dense before you fell in love with Trump?

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to Fascist Flea on Wed Dec 14 19:29:28 2022
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 9:06:26 PM UTC-5, Fascist Flea wrote:
    Funny, what are you splurging on this year-end?
    If you have unspent bucks in your medical savings
    account, I'd recommend a brain tune-up.

    they are not married to the Democrat party.

    Were you this dense before you fell in love with Trump?

    I was a Teamster trucker when I became MAGAnetized.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Fascist Flea on Thu Dec 15 10:10:21 2022
    On 12/14/22 8:06 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:
    Funny, what are you splurging on this year-end?
    If you have unspent bucks in your medical savings
    account, I'd recommend a brain tune-up.

    they are not married to the Democrat party.

    Were you this dense before you fell in love with Trump?

    Ask him about sharia law and immigrant caravans.

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 15 09:48:26 2022
    MINe109 wrote:

    Were you this dense before you fell in love with Trump?
    Ask him about sharia law and immigrant caravans.

    I would, except I don't know the trigger to make him speak on command.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 15 22:05:13 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 11:10:23 AM UTC-5, MINe109 wrote:
    On 12/14/22 8:06 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:
    Funny, what are you splurging on this year-end?
    If you have unspent bucks in your medical savings
    account, I'd recommend a brain tune-up.

    they are not married to the Democrat party.

    Were you this dense before you fell in love with Trump?
    Ask him about sharia law and immigrant caravans.'

    If Sharia law allows for deporting illegals' caravans, I'm all in favor of it. I already know it is not LGTBQ+ friendly, so that's another plus
    And transgender morphing of children is also a no-no
    It's looking better each day
    I still have a problem with their speech repression, so that's a tie with the Dems.
    I do have a problem with genital mutilation, oh, anothetrtie with the Dems.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to Fascist Flea on Thu Dec 15 22:06:02 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 12:48:27 PM UTC-5, Fascist Flea wrote:
    MINe109 wrote:

    Were you this dense before you fell in love with Trump?
    Ask him about sharia law and immigrant caravans.

    I would, except I don't know the trigger to make him speak on command.

    Steve's got you covered, though he rarely usus it.

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