https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/no-to-the-tank-delivery-it-would-be-an-escalation-that-we-all-don-t-want-to-imagine/ar-AA15Tfcw?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=e079a5ec46564729bb1264bdf96f7f69

ScottW

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Well, yes! Of course you are.

But isn't today when you resolve to change?

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On 1/2/23 12:40 PM, ScottW wrote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/no-to-the-tank-delivery-it-would-be-an-escalation-that-we-all-don-t-want-to-imagine/ar-AA15Tfcw?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=e079a5ec46564729bb1264bdf96f7f69

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/germany-supply-40-armored-carriers-ukraine-96260231

"The German government says Berlin aims to supply around 40 Marder
armored personnel carriers to Ukraine in this year's first quarter"

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On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 10:41:36 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:

On 1/2/23 12:40 PM, ScottW wrote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/no-to-the-tank-delivery-it-would-be-an-escalation-that-we-all-don-t-want-to-imagine/ar-AA15Tfcw?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=e079a5ec46564729bb1264bdf96f7f69

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/germany-supply-40-armored-carriers-ukraine-96260231

"The German government says Berlin aims to supply around 40 Marder
armored personnel carriers to Ukraine in this year's first quarter"

All good, as the US supplies our version of Bradley's.
Throw in a 100 leopards and get this thing over.

Why the Leopard? Runs on diesel vs M1 jet fuel.
And Poland already knows how to maintain them.

ScottW

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On 1/7/23 1:33 PM, ScottW wrote:

On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 10:41:36 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:

On 1/2/23 12:40 PM, ScottW wrote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/no-to-the-tank-delivery-it-would-be-an-escalation-that-we-all-don-t-want-to-imagine/ar-AA15Tfcw?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=e079a5ec46564729bb1264bdf96f7f69

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/germany-supply-40-armored-carriers-ukraine-96260231

"The German government says Berlin aims to supply around 40 Marder
armored personnel carriers to Ukraine in this year's first quarter"

All good, as the US supplies our version of Bradley's.
Throw in a 100 leopards and get this thing over.

Why the Leopard? Runs on diesel vs M1 jet fuel.
And Poland already knows how to maintain them.

I've seen comments to the effect that tanks are just expensive targets
in this conflict.

Good to see Germany committed.

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On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 3:47:59 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:

On 1/7/23 1:33 PM, ScottW wrote:

On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 10:41:36 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:

On 1/2/23 12:40 PM, ScottW wrote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/no-to-the-tank-delivery-it-would-be-an-escalation-that-we-all-don-t-want-to-imagine/ar-AA15Tfcw?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=e079a5ec46564729bb1264bdf96f7f69

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/germany-supply-40-armored-carriers-ukraine-96260231

"The German government says Berlin aims to supply around 40 Marder
armored personnel carriers to Ukraine in this year's first quarter"

All good, as the US supplies our version of Bradley's.
Throw in a 100 leopards and get this thing over.

Why the Leopard? Runs on diesel vs M1 jet fuel.
And Poland already knows how to maintain them.

I've seen comments to the effect that tanks are just expensive targets
in this conflict.

Russian tanks.

Good to see Germany committed.

Sure but this could be even better.
Logistics mess supporting multiple vehicle types that fill similar roles.
I'd like to see them ok Leopards over more Mardars

Imagine if Ukraine had a few dozen top line tanks to go against the Wagner group attacking Bakmut.
It would be no contest.

ScottW

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On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 5:02:54 PM UTC-8, ScottW wrote:

On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 3:47:59 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:

On 1/7/23 1:33 PM, ScottW wrote:

On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 10:41:36 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:

On 1/2/23 12:40 PM, ScottW wrote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/no-to-the-tank-delivery-it-would-be-an-escalation-that-we-all-don-t-want-to-imagine/ar-AA15Tfcw?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=e079a5ec46564729bb1264bdf96f7f69

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/germany-supply-40-armored-carriers-ukraine-96260231

"The German government says Berlin aims to supply around 40 Marder
armored personnel carriers to Ukraine in this year's first quarter"

All good, as the US supplies our version of Bradley's.
Throw in a 100 leopards and get this thing over.

Why the Leopard? Runs on diesel vs M1 jet fuel.
And Poland already knows how to maintain them.

I've seen comments to the effect that tanks are just expensive targets
in this conflict.

Russian tanks.

Good to see Germany committed.

Sure but this could be even better.
Logistics mess supporting multiple vehicle types that fill similar roles.
I'd like to see them ok Leopards over more Mardars

Imagine if Ukraine had a few dozen top line tanks to go against the Wagner group attacking Bakmut.
It would be no contest.

ScottW

An update on where Nato stands on Leopards for Ukraine. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/1/7/2145952/-Ukraine-update-Free-the-leopards-Western-tanks-could-be-headed-for-Ukraine-in-serious-numbers

ScottW

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On 1/8/23 12:23 PM, ScottW wrote:

An update on where Nato stands on Leopards for Ukraine. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/1/7/2145952/-Ukraine-update-Free-the-leopards-Western-tanks-could-be-headed-for-Ukraine-in-serious-numbers

Happy to see this, although it will take time to get them in working order.

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On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 10:43:36 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:

On 1/8/23 12:23 PM, ScottW wrote:

An update on where Nato stands on Leopards for Ukraine. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/1/7/2145952/-Ukraine-update-Free-the-leopards-Western-tanks-could-be-headed-for-Ukraine-in-serious-numbers

Happy to see this, although it will take time to get them in working order.

Did you actually read it? No decision has been made. "Could be" is not "are" and the premise requires both Germany ok
and a complex weapons sharing/pool agreement.
Doesn't sound like a real program to get them the tanks is coming soon.
But there are discussions underway apparently.

ScottW

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On 1/9/23 12:21 PM, ScottW wrote:

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 10:43:36 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:

On 1/8/23 12:23 PM, ScottW wrote:

An update on where Nato stands on Leopards for Ukraine.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/1/7/2145952/-Ukraine-update-Free-the-leopards-Western-tanks-could-be-headed-for-Ukraine-in-serious-numbers

Happy to see this, although it will take time to get them in working order.

Did you actually read it? No decision has been made.

I was happy to see the proposal was made and discussions are in progress.

"Could be" is not "are" and the premise requires both Germany okand
a complex weapons sharing/pool agreement. Doesn't sound like a real
program to get them the tanks is coming soon. But there are
discussions underway apparently.

Once again, you got more out of it than I put into it. If it makes you
feel better, substitute the subjunctive 'would' for 'will.'

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