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  • Pretty damning of Nancy

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 9 11:11:23 2023
    On Monday night, December 12, senators unanimously passed a measure to remove authority for calling out the National Guard from politicians like Nancy Pelosi and gave it over to the Capitol Police.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Jan 9 16:17:53 2023
    On 1/9/23 1:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday night, December 12, senators unanimously passed a measure
    to remove authority for calling out the National Guard from
    politicians like Nancy Pelosi and gave it over to the Capitol
    Police.

    The Speaker of the House didn't have the authority to call out the
    National Guard, hence her now famous phone calls to governors asking
    them to do so.

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 9 15:54:21 2023
    The smog of desperation is descending on Shmoo World with a
    suffocating finality.

    On Monday night, December 12, senators unanimously passed a measure
    to remove authority for calling out the National Guard from
    politicians like Nancy Pelosi

    The most salient point of Shmooscott's crap-dropping is the lack of attribution.

    MINe109 wrote:

    The Speaker of the House didn't have the authority to call out the
    National Guard, hence her now famous phone calls to governors asking
    them to do so.

    Seems like Shmooscott is in wishing mode. The snarly cur WISHES
    it could be proven that Pelosi was derelict. But it can't be proven
    because it's not actually true. The Shmoo reaction is to bypass
    reality and assert a random, unsupported, information-free
    allegation that gives him a warm cuddle.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 9 17:01:07 2023
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 2:17:56 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 1:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday night, December 12, senators unanimously passed a measure
    to remove authority for calling out the National Guard from
    politicians like Nancy Pelosi and gave it over to the Capitol
    Police.
    The Speaker of the House didn't have the authority to call out the
    National Guard, hence her now famous phone calls to governors asking
    them to do so.

    What governor has jurisdiction of DC?
    Good thing she got the boot. She's more demented than Joe.

    ScottW

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 9 17:06:58 2023
    Word of advice for all sane readers: Don't venture into Shmoo-World
    without your inoculations and an experienced guide.

    The Speaker of the House didn't have the authority to call out the
    National Guard, hence her now famous phone calls to governors asking
    them to do so.

    What governor has jurisdiction of DC?

    So lazy. So ignorant. So argumentative. That's Shmooscott.

    "the Commanding General of the D.C. National Guard is subordinate solely to the President of the United States."

    I assume you don't want a link, since you rarely read them and usually misunderstand
    the ones you do read.

    Good thing she got the boot. She's more demented than Joe.

    More magical thinking from Shmooscott.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Jan 10 10:26:09 2023
    On 1/9/23 7:01 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 2:17:56 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 1:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday night, December 12, senators unanimously passed a measure
    to remove authority for calling out the National Guard from
    politicians like Nancy Pelosi and gave it over to the Capitol
    Police.
    The Speaker of the House didn't have the authority to call out the
    National Guard, hence her now famous phone calls to governors asking
    them to do so.

    What governor has jurisdiction of DC?
    https://www.nationalmemo.com/miller-disarmed-national-guard

    I've cited this memo previously.

    Calls? See for yourself:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11313263/Shocking-Jan-6-video-shows-Nancy-Pelosi-phoning-help-sheltering-pro-Trump-mob.html

    'It's just horrendous': Terrified Pelosi and top Dems huddled in Capitol
    office on January 6 and frantically called Trump's cabinet, Virginia
    Governor and DC cops begging for help, new video shows

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 10 09:01:40 2023
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 8:26:12 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 7:01 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 2:17:56 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 1:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday night, December 12, senators unanimously passed a measure
    to remove authority for calling out the National Guard from
    politicians like Nancy Pelosi and gave it over to the Capitol
    Police.
    The Speaker of the House didn't have the authority to call out the
    National Guard, hence her now famous phone calls to governors asking
    them to do so.

    What governor has jurisdiction of DC?
    https://www.nationalmemo.com/miller-disarmed-national-guard

    I've cited this memo previously.

    Yup....the mayor wanted to NG limited to traffic control so you have the memo.


    Calls? See for yourself:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11313263/Shocking-Jan-6-video-shows-Nancy-Pelosi-phoning-help-sheltering-pro-Trump-mob.html

    After she got her tragedy, she makes the call. And it's on video.

    No wonder they relieved her.

    ScottW

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 10 09:25:10 2023
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:19:45 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/10/23 11:01 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 8:26:12 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 7:01 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 2:17:56 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 1:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday night, December 12, senators unanimously passed a measure >>>>> to remove authority for calling out the National Guard from
    politicians like Nancy Pelosi and gave it over to the Capitol
    Police.
    The Speaker of the House didn't have the authority to call out the
    National Guard, hence her now famous phone calls to governors asking >>>> them to do so.

    What governor has jurisdiction of DC?
    https://www.nationalmemo.com/miller-disarmed-national-guard

    I've cited this memo previously.

    Yup....the mayor wanted to NG limited to traffic control so you have the memo.
    Does it seem likely the mayor can order the Acting SecDef around?

    Since the SecDef cannot deploy the NG in DC without her request...yes.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Jan 10 11:19:41 2023
    On 1/10/23 11:01 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 8:26:12 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 7:01 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 2:17:56 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 1:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday night, December 12, senators unanimously passed a measure
    to remove authority for calling out the National Guard from
    politicians like Nancy Pelosi and gave it over to the Capitol
    Police.
    The Speaker of the House didn't have the authority to call out the
    National Guard, hence her now famous phone calls to governors asking
    them to do so.

    What governor has jurisdiction of DC?
    https://www.nationalmemo.com/miller-disarmed-national-guard

    I've cited this memo previously.

    Yup....the mayor wanted to NG limited to traffic control so you have the memo.

    Does it seem likely the mayor can order the Acting SecDef around? Ted
    Cruz made the same argument. Mark Sumner, Daily Kos:

    "Cruz also deployed a memo from Washington, D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser
    warning that she didn’t want “unidentifiable personal deployed in the District of Columbia without proper coordination”—a statement that was clearly not aimed at the National Guard but at the ragtag collection of
    Bureau of Prisons riot police, immigration agents, and others deployed
    under the command of William Barr."

    Meaning the Lafayette Square response.

    Calls? See for yourself:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11313263/Shocking-Jan-6-video-shows-Nancy-Pelosi-phoning-help-sheltering-pro-Trump-mob.html

    After she got her tragedy, she makes the call. And it's on video.

    No wonder they relieved her.

    No, you can't blame Trump's months of planning on Pelosi.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Jan 10 13:27:04 2023
    On 1/10/23 11:25 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:19:45 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/10/23 11:01 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 8:26:12 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 7:01 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 2:17:56 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 1:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday night, December 12, senators unanimously passed a measure >>>>>>> to remove authority for calling out the National Guard from
    politicians like Nancy Pelosi and gave it over to the Capitol
    Police.
    The Speaker of the House didn't have the authority to call out the >>>>>> National Guard, hence her now famous phone calls to governors asking >>>>>> them to do so.

    What governor has jurisdiction of DC?
    https://www.nationalmemo.com/miller-disarmed-national-guard

    I've cited this memo previously.

    Yup....the mayor wanted to NG limited to traffic control so you have the memo.
    Does it seem likely the mayor can order the Acting SecDef around?

    Since the SecDef cannot deploy the NG in DC without her request...yes.

    https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/

    "The D.C National Guard was formed in 1802 by President Thomas Jefferson
    to defend the newly created District of Columbia. As such, the
    Commanding General of the D.C. National Guard is subordinate solely to
    the President of the United States. This authority to activate the D.C. National Guard has been delegated, by the President, to the Secretary of Defense and further delegated to the Secretary of the Army. The D.C.
    National Guard is the only National Guard unit, out of all of the 54
    states and territories, which reports only to the President."

    Which is why the letter was a request and not an order.

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-does-defense-department-inspector-general-report-about-jan-6-actually-say

    Deploying the National Guard is more complicated in D.C. than in the
    states. Governors, as the commander in chief of their state’s military,
    can send their National Guard units for assistance during emergencies.
    However, since D.C. is not a state and does not have a governor, the
    president has the authority to activate the DCNG. This authority has
    been delegated, by the president, to the secretary of defense and
    further delegated to the secretary of the Army...

    The inspector general reports that Walker stated that Lt. Gen. Walter
    Piatt and then-Lt. Gen. Charles Flynn advised McCarthy not to send Guard
    troops to the Capitol because “it would not be a good optic and could
    incite the crowd.” Gen. James McConville, chief of staff for the Army,
    told the inspector general that the sergeants at arms, out of concern
    for potentially negative optics, did not approve of a proposal to submit
    a request for additional support from the DCNG.

    Outside sources have also alleged that optics played an outsized role in
    the Defense Department’s decision-making process on Jan. 6. For example,
    on Feb. 23, acting chief of the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department
    Robert Contee III testified in a joint hearing that, during the 2:20
    p.m. conference call on Jan. 6, officials were more concerned about the
    poor optics of boots on the ground on the Capitol than they were about responding to Sund’s pleas to send the National Guard.

    End quote.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 10 16:14:18 2023
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 11:27:06 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/10/23 11:25 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:19:45 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/10/23 11:01 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 8:26:12 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 7:01 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 2:17:56 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 1:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday night, December 12, senators unanimously passed a measure >>>>>>> to remove authority for calling out the National Guard from
    politicians like Nancy Pelosi and gave it over to the Capitol
    Police.
    The Speaker of the House didn't have the authority to call out the >>>>>> National Guard, hence her now famous phone calls to governors asking >>>>>> them to do so.

    What governor has jurisdiction of DC?
    https://www.nationalmemo.com/miller-disarmed-national-guard

    I've cited this memo previously.

    Yup....the mayor wanted to NG limited to traffic control so you have the memo.
    Does it seem likely the mayor can order the Acting SecDef around?

    Since the SecDef cannot deploy the NG in DC without her request...yes.
    https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/

    Alright , they deferred to her and Nancy on the subject of pre-deployment.

    You then obfuscate on requests to deploy on 1/6 which is, IMO, a different subject and irrelevant as the CP got control of the situation before NG arrived so they weren't really necessary for anything more than a prevent action
    which was widely pushed back on by both Pelosi and Mayor Bowser.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Jan 11 09:42:31 2023
    On 1/10/23 6:14 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 11:27:06 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/10/23 11:25 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:19:45 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/10/23 11:01 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 8:26:12 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 7:01 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 2:17:56 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 1:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday night, December 12, senators unanimously passed a measure >>>>>>>>> to remove authority for calling out the National Guard from
    politicians like Nancy Pelosi and gave it over to the Capitol >>>>>>>>> Police.
    The Speaker of the House didn't have the authority to call out the >>>>>>>> National Guard, hence her now famous phone calls to governors asking >>>>>>>> them to do so.

    What governor has jurisdiction of DC?
    https://www.nationalmemo.com/miller-disarmed-national-guard

    I've cited this memo previously.

    Yup....the mayor wanted to NG limited to traffic control so you have the memo.
    Does it seem likely the mayor can order the Acting SecDef around?

    Since the SecDef cannot deploy the NG in DC without her request...yes.
    https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/

    Alright , they deferred to her and Nancy on the subject of pre-deployment.

    No, it was Miller's decision. If they were really deferential, they
    would have intervened when Pelosi asked for help.

    You then obfuscate on requests to deploy on 1/6 which is, IMO, a different subject and irrelevant as the CP got control of the situation before NG arrived
    so they weren't really necessary for anything more than a prevent action which was widely pushed back on by both Pelosi and Mayor Bowser.

    That's an "all's well" argument. The NG was needed and wasn't able to
    respond.

    Of course, you're ignoring that Pelosi and Bowser weren't aware Trump
    and his supporters intended to storm the Capitol when plans were made.

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 11 09:22:18 2023
    MINe109 wrote:

    Of course, you're ignoring that Pelosi and Bowser weren't aware Trump
    and his supporters intended to storm the Capitol when plans were made.

    The only one who WERE aware were the plotters themselves.
    The leaders of the Capitol Police and the Secret Service have
    said that they never anticipated that the riot would be led by
    sitting "President".

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 11 15:45:19 2023
    On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:42:37 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/10/23 6:14 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 11:27:06 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/10/23 11:25 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:19:45 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/10/23 11:01 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 8:26:12 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 7:01 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 2:17:56 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 1/9/23 1:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday night, December 12, senators unanimously passed a measure >>>>>>>>> to remove authority for calling out the National Guard from >>>>>>>>> politicians like Nancy Pelosi and gave it over to the Capitol >>>>>>>>> Police.
    The Speaker of the House didn't have the authority to call out the >>>>>>>> National Guard, hence her now famous phone calls to governors asking >>>>>>>> them to do so.

    What governor has jurisdiction of DC?
    https://www.nationalmemo.com/miller-disarmed-national-guard

    I've cited this memo previously.

    Yup....the mayor wanted to NG limited to traffic control so you have the memo.
    Does it seem likely the mayor can order the Acting SecDef around?

    Since the SecDef cannot deploy the NG in DC without her request...yes.
    https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/

    Alright , they deferred to her and Nancy on the subject of pre-deployment.
    No, it was Miller's decision. If they were really deferential, they
    would have intervened when Pelosi asked for help.
    You then obfuscate on requests to deploy on 1/6 which is, IMO, a different subject and irrelevant as the CP got control of the situation before NG arrived
    so they weren't really necessary for anything more than a prevent action which was widely pushed back on by both Pelosi and Mayor Bowser.
    That's an "all's well" argument. The NG was needed and wasn't able to respond.

    That's true. The NG is not a quick reaction force. Never was and never will be.
    If you don't call 'em up and have 'em ready to go it will take a couple days. In this case the ready team was already deployed as traffic cops.
    They had to be recalled, reequipped and sent out.
    By then the incident was over. CP had handled it.

    But if you want to examine why NG wasn't able to respond you can't
    just talk about requests on 1/6.
    Then again....you don't really want to know why cuz you don't like the answer.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Jan 12 10:07:42 2023
    On 1/11/23 5:45 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:42:37 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:

    If they were really deferential, they would have intervened when Pelosi asked for help.

    You then obfuscate on requests to deploy on 1/6 which is, IMO, a different >>> subject and irrelevant as the CP got control of the situation before NG arrived
    so they weren't really necessary for anything more than a prevent action >>> which was widely pushed back on by both Pelosi and Mayor Bowser.
    That's an "all's well" argument. The NG was needed and wasn't able to
    respond.

    That's true. The NG is not a quick reaction force. Never was and never will be.
    If you don't call 'em up and have 'em ready to go it will take a couple days. In this case the ready team was already deployed as traffic cops.
    They had to be recalled, reequipped and sent out.
    By then the incident was over. CP had handled it.

    Some do not consider the handling to be entirely successful.

    But if you want to examine why NG wasn't able to respond you can't
    just talk about requests on 1/6.

    That's why I cited the IG report at length a while back, with specific
    mentions of Bowser's Dec 31 letter and Christopher Miller's 'disarm the
    NG' memo of Jan 4.

    Then again....you don't really want to know why cuz you don't like the answer.

    Projection.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 12 15:40:40 2023
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 8:07:44 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/11/23 5:45 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:42:37 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:

    If they were really deferential, they would have intervened when Pelosi asked for help.

    You then obfuscate on requests to deploy on 1/6 which is, IMO, a different
    subject and irrelevant as the CP got control of the situation before NG arrived
    so they weren't really necessary for anything more than a prevent action >>> which was widely pushed back on by both Pelosi and Mayor Bowser.
    That's an "all's well" argument. The NG was needed and wasn't able to
    respond.

    That's true. The NG is not a quick reaction force. Never was and never will be.
    If you don't call 'em up and have 'em ready to go it will take a couple days.
    In this case the ready team was already deployed as traffic cops.
    They had to be recalled, reequipped and sent out.
    By then the incident was over. CP had handled it.
    Some do not consider the handling to be entirely successful.

    Of course not...but it was still over before the NG could respond.

    So if you wanted the guard to participate...they had to be called up and equipped for the right mission....which wasn't traffic control.

    But if you want to examine why NG wasn't able to respond you can't
    just talk about requests on 1/6.
    That's why I cited the IG report at length a while back, with specific mentions of Bowser's Dec 31 letter and Christopher Miller's 'disarm the
    NG' memo of Jan 4.
    Then again....you don't really want to know why cuz you don't like the answer.
    Projection.

    How come that IG report didn't make it into the 1/6 committee documentary/propaganda film?

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Jan 13 09:46:44 2023
    On 1/12/23 5:40 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 8:07:44 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/11/23 5:45 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:42:37 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:

    If they were really deferential, they would have intervened when Pelosi asked for help.

    You then obfuscate on requests to deploy on 1/6 which is, IMO, a different
    subject and irrelevant as the CP got control of the situation before NG arrived
    so they weren't really necessary for anything more than a prevent action >>>>> which was widely pushed back on by both Pelosi and Mayor Bowser.
    That's an "all's well" argument. The NG was needed and wasn't able to
    respond.

    That's true. The NG is not a quick reaction force. Never was and never will be.
    If you don't call 'em up and have 'em ready to go it will take a couple days.
    In this case the ready team was already deployed as traffic cops.
    They had to be recalled, reequipped and sent out.
    By then the incident was over. CP had handled it.
    Some do not consider the handling to be entirely successful.

    Of course not...but it was still over before the NG could respond.

    So if you wanted the guard to participate...they had to be called up and equipped for the right mission....which wasn't traffic control.

    It took "three hours and 19 minutes to get approval for the Guard to
    help protect the Capitol" so, no.

    But if you want to examine why NG wasn't able to respond you can't
    just talk about requests on 1/6.
    That's why I cited the IG report at length a while back, with specific
    mentions of Bowser's Dec 31 letter and Christopher Miller's 'disarm the
    NG' memo of Jan 4.
    Then again....you don't really want to know why cuz you don't like the answer.
    Projection.

    How come that IG report didn't make it into the 1/6 committee documentary/propaganda film?

    It doesn't need to be in their film and questions have been raised about
    some of the testimony. Nonetheless, I cite it for the original sources
    it contains.

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-does-defense-department-inspector-general-report-about-jan-6-actually-say

    "Since its release, the report has come under fire for purported
    inaccuracies, particularly about the inspector general’s assessment that optics did not play a role in the Defense Department’s response time.
    Despite the criticism, the Office of the Inspector General continues to
    stand by its findings. Given all the controversy about the report, it’s useful to take a closer look at what it actually says. Below, I’ve highlighted three key takeaways from the report."

    Those include: Defense Department Culpability; Maj. Gen. William
    Walker’s Senate Testimony; and Optics and Response Time.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/06/jan-6-generals-lied-ex-dc-guard-official-523777

    "Matthews’ memo defends the Capitol attack response by Walker, who now
    serves as the House sergeant at arms, amplifying Walker’s previous congressional testimony about the hourslong delay in the military’s
    order for the D.C. National Guard to deploy to the riot scene.

    “Every leader in the D.C. Guard wanted to respond and knew they could
    respond to the riot at the seat of government” before they were given clearance to do so on Jan. 6, Matthews’ memo reads. Instead, he said,
    D.C. guard officials “set [sic] stunned watching in the Armory” during
    the first hours of the attack on Congress during its certification of
    the 2020 election results."

    https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017d-8aca-dee4-a5ff-eeda79e90000

    "Inspector General investigations are usually and appropriately accorded
    great deference because they are normally unbiased, independent, contain careful analysis of facts and circumstances, and because they make determinations as to the credibility, veracity and biases of particular witnesses, based on the preponderance of the evidence. Unfortunately,
    the DoDIG report on its investigation into DoD actions leading up to and
    during the 6 January attack was marked by few of these characteristics."

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 14 19:16:16 2023
    On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 7:46:47 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/12/23 5:40 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 8:07:44 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/11/23 5:45 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:42:37 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:

    If they were really deferential, they would have intervened when Pelosi asked for help.

    You then obfuscate on requests to deploy on 1/6 which is, IMO, a different
    subject and irrelevant as the CP got control of the situation before NG arrived
    so they weren't really necessary for anything more than a prevent action
    which was widely pushed back on by both Pelosi and Mayor Bowser.
    That's an "all's well" argument. The NG was needed and wasn't able to >>>> respond.

    That's true. The NG is not a quick reaction force. Never was and never will be.
    If you don't call 'em up and have 'em ready to go it will take a couple days.
    In this case the ready team was already deployed as traffic cops.
    They had to be recalled, reequipped and sent out.
    By then the incident was over. CP had handled it.
    Some do not consider the handling to be entirely successful.

    Of course not...but it was still over before the NG could respond.

    So if you wanted the guard to participate...they had to be called up and equipped for the right mission....which wasn't traffic control.
    It took "three hours and 19 minutes to get approval for the Guard to
    help protect the Capitol" so, no.

    and then how long for them to report, get equipped and deploy?

    No matter. Kevin has promised to release all the video and
    we'll see what really happened.
    Well....you won't see cuz you just don't see very well.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Jan 15 12:10:59 2023
    On 1/14/23 9:16 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 7:46:47 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/12/23 5:40 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 8:07:44 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/11/23 5:45 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:42:37 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:

    If they were really deferential, they would have intervened when Pelosi asked for help.

    You then obfuscate on requests to deploy on 1/6 which is, IMO, a different
    subject and irrelevant as the CP got control of the situation before NG arrived
    so they weren't really necessary for anything more than a prevent action
    which was widely pushed back on by both Pelosi and Mayor Bowser.
    That's an "all's well" argument. The NG was needed and wasn't able to >>>>>> respond.

    That's true. The NG is not a quick reaction force. Never was and never will be.
    If you don't call 'em up and have 'em ready to go it will take a couple days.
    In this case the ready team was already deployed as traffic cops.
    They had to be recalled, reequipped and sent out.
    By then the incident was over. CP had handled it.
    Some do not consider the handling to be entirely successful.

    Of course not...but it was still over before the NG could respond.

    So if you wanted the guard to participate...they had to be called up and >>> equipped for the right mission....which wasn't traffic control.
    It took "three hours and 19 minutes to get approval for the Guard to
    help protect the Capitol" so, no.

    and then how long for them to report, get equipped and deploy?

    All there in the various reports.

    No matter. Kevin has promised to release all the video and
    we'll see what really happened.
    Well....you won't see cuz you just don't see very well.

    I won't see the National Guard deployed in time to defend the Capitol.

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