and the real question for the protestors should be ....
Is why is Memphis PD forced to deploy a goon squad of unqualified and incompetent violent cops?
Every expert in police procedures is saying thuese criminal buffoons violated all procedures from the initial stop on. This isn't systemic violence in our police system. This is incompetence in leadership, training, and operation of a police force.
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So what is the root of that? I'm guessing equity and diversity had a role in it.
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ScottW
and the real question for the protestors should be ....You'd be wrong.
Is why is Memphis PD forced to deploy a goon squad of unqualified and incompetent violent cops?
Every expert in police procedures is saying these criminal buffoons
violated all procedures from the initial stop on. This isn't
systemic violence in our police system. This is incompetence in
leadership, training, and operation of a police force.
So what is the root of that? I'm guessing equity and diversity had a
role in it.
On 1/27/23 7:01 PM, ScottW wrote:
and the real question for the protestors should be ....
Is why is Memphis PD forced to deploy a goon squad of unqualified and incompetent violent cops?
Every expert in police procedures is saying these criminal buffoons violated all procedures from the initial stop on. This isn't
systemic violence in our police system. This is incompetence in
leadership, training, and operation of a police force.
So what is the root of that? I'm guessing equity and diversity had aYou'd be wrong.
role in it.
https://www.fox13memphis.com/news/local/mpd-launches-new-scorpion-unit-help-reduce-violent-crimes/USBTBZCCO5HWRI6QLADKWZGW6Y/
On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 7:17:13 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 1/27/23 7:01 PM, ScottW wrote:
and the real question for the protestors should be ....You'd be wrong.
Is why is Memphis PD forced to deploy a goon squad of unqualified and
incompetent violent cops?
Every expert in police procedures is saying these criminal buffoons
violated all procedures from the initial stop on. This isn't
systemic violence in our police system. This is incompetence in
leadership, training, and operation of a police force.
So what is the root of that? I'm guessing equity and diversity had a
role in it.
https://www.fox13memphis.com/news/local/mpd-launches-new-scorpion-unit-help-reduce-violent-crimes/USBTBZCCO5HWRI6QLADKWZGW6Y/
Stephen goes all SPP... again.
On 1/28/23 7:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 7:17:13 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 1/27/23 7:01 PM, ScottW wrote:
and the real question for the protestors should be ....You'd be wrong.
Is why is Memphis PD forced to deploy a goon squad of unqualified and
incompetent violent cops?
Every expert in police procedures is saying these criminal buffoons
violated all procedures from the initial stop on. This isn't
systemic violence in our police system. This is incompetence in
leadership, training, and operation of a police force.
So what is the root of that? I'm guessing equity and diversity had a
role in it.
https://www.fox13memphis.com/news/local/mpd-launches-new-scorpion-unit-help-reduce-violent-crimes/USBTBZCCO5HWRI6QLADKWZGW6Y/
Stephen goes all SPP... again.You brought up the subject of what motivated the creation of the police
unit.
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 9:42:45 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 1/28/23 7:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 7:17:13 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
You brought up the subject of what motivated the creation of the
police unit.
Wrong, I know that.... Memphis crime is off the charts.
The question is why they had to staff it with goons. None of your
links address that... so it's SPP round 2 for you.
So here's a touchy question I've not heard asked. Obviously the
protests haven't been near Rodney King levels.
Do you think the cops thought they could get away with it because
they're black?
Cuz no white cop in his right mind could ever think he'd get away
with it.
On 1/29/23 12:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 9:42:45 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 1/28/23 7:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 7:17:13 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
You brought up the subject of what motivated the creation of the
police unit.
Wrong, I know that.... Memphis crime is off the charts.
The question is why they had to staff it with goons. None of yourThe Atlanta links would get you there. The Red Dog unit was dissolved
links address that... so it's SPP round 2 for you.
after bad behavior and a lawsuit payout.
As for why elite units are staffed with goons, well, maybe pay more
attention to protesters. The problem is not limited to Memphis.
So here's a touchy question I've not heard asked. Obviously theTrying to be respectable. Just can't win with you, can they? Either
protests haven't been near Rodney King levels.
they're dismissed for being violent or accused of pulling their punches.
Do you think the cops thought they could get away with it becauseNo, because they're cops.
they're black?
Cuz no white cop in his right mind could ever think he'd get awayFloyd's killers would like a word.
with it.
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 2:02:32 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 1/29/23 12:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 9:42:45 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:The Atlanta links would get you there. The Red Dog unit was dissolved
On 1/28/23 7:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 7:17:13 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
You brought up the subject of what motivated the creation of the
police unit.
Wrong, I know that.... Memphis crime is off the charts.
The question is why they had to staff it with goons. None of your
links address that... so it's SPP round 2 for you.
after bad behavior and a lawsuit payout.
As for why elite units are staffed with goons, well, maybe pay more
attention to protesters. The problem is not limited to Memphis.
So here's a touchy question I've not heard asked. Obviously theTrying to be respectable. Just can't win with you, can they? Either
protests haven't been near Rodney King levels.
they're dismissed for being violent or accused of pulling their punches.
So touchy, it's just a statement of fact, not judgement on the protestors.
Jeez.
Do you think the cops thought they could get away with it becauseNo, because they're cops.
they're black?
No...I don't think any cop believes that anymore.
Especially wearing bodycams. That would be disqualifyingly stupid to be a cop.
You think they were prepared to do the time while deciding to kill Floyd?Cuz no white cop in his right mind could ever think he'd get awayFloyd's killers would like a word.
with it.
A word from prison....duh.
On 1/29/23 5:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 2:02:32 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 1/29/23 12:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 9:42:45 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:The Atlanta links would get you there. The Red Dog unit was dissolved
On 1/28/23 7:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 7:17:13 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
You brought up the subject of what motivated the creation of the
police unit.
Wrong, I know that.... Memphis crime is off the charts.
The question is why they had to staff it with goons. None of your
links address that... so it's SPP round 2 for you.
after bad behavior and a lawsuit payout.
As for why elite units are staffed with goons, well, maybe pay more
attention to protesters. The problem is not limited to Memphis.
So here's a touchy question I've not heard asked. Obviously theTrying to be respectable. Just can't win with you, can they? Either
protests haven't been near Rodney King levels.
they're dismissed for being violent or accused of pulling their punches.
So touchy, it's just a statement of fact, not judgement on the protestors. Jeez.Fox was disappointed, too, what with those live feeds from several
cities that didn't pan out with violence they could loop in the
background for the next few months.
Do you think the cops thought they could get away with it becauseNo, because they're cops.
they're black?
No...I don't think any cop believes that anymore.How would you know?
I think it so because cops continue to kill people
as if they think they can get away with it.
Especially wearing bodycams. That would be disqualifyingly stupid to be a cop.Turns out cops have a habit of disabling their cams.
Cuz no white cop in his right mind could ever think he'd get awayFloyd's killers would like a word.
with it.
A word from prison....duh.You think they were prepared to do the time while deciding to kill Floyd?
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 3:55:59 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 1/29/23 5:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
Do you think the cops thought they could get away with it becauseNo, because they're cops.
they're black?
How stupid would a cop have to be to think that after the Floyd case?No...I don't think any cop believes that anymore.How would you know?
Could there be some that stupid....maybe in Memphis.
I think it so because cops continue to kill people
as if they think they can get away with it.
Especially wearing bodycams. That would be disqualifyingly stupid to be a cop.Turns out cops have a habit of disabling their cams.
Cuz no white cop in his right mind could ever think he'd get awayFloyd's killers would like a word.
with it.
I think that case was a game changer. Cops across the country got the message quite clearly.A word from prison....duh.You think they were prepared to do the time while deciding to kill Floyd?
The goon squad (and back to my point, turns out Memphis has among the lowest PD recruit standards in the country) is obviously far more violent and far more
obviously guilty than those charged in the Floyd case.
These morons were so ill prepared to be cops...they pepper sprayed themselves.
On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 12:33:27 AM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 3:55:59 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 1/29/23 5:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
Do you think the cops thought they could get away with it becauseNo, because they're cops.
they're black?
I sense you're trying to blame these individual cops by implying they are unqualified diversity hires due to their ethnicity. No, the unit was considered elite and successfulHow stupid would a cop have to be to think that after the Floyd case?No...I don't think any cop believes that anymore.How would you know?
Could there be some that stupid....maybe in Memphis.
On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 8:37:42 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 12:33:27 AM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 3:55:59 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:I sense you're trying to blame these individual cops by implying
On 1/29/23 5:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
How stupid would a cop have to be to think that after the FloydHow would you know?Do you think the cops thought they could get away with itNo, because they're cops.
because they're black?
No...I don't think any cop believes that anymore.
case? Could there be some that stupid....maybe in Memphis.
they are unqualified diversity hires due to their ethnicity. No,
the unit was considered elite and successful
I'm guessing you missed Cuomo grilling the DA who couldn't really
comment much beyond admitting what was public record that Memphis
lowered recruiting standards due to difficulties in recruiting.
In any case, it's now clear those "considering" were very very
wrong.
Maybe you should watch the video.
On 1/30/23 12:41 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 8:37:42 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 12:33:27 AM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 3:55:59 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:I sense you're trying to blame these individual cops by implying
On 1/29/23 5:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
How stupid would a cop have to be to think that after the FloydHow would you know?Do you think the cops thought they could get away with itNo, because they're cops.
because they're black?
No...I don't think any cop believes that anymore.
case? Could there be some that stupid....maybe in Memphis.
they are unqualified diversity hires due to their ethnicity. No,
the unit was considered elite and successful
I'm guessing you missed Cuomo grilling the DA who couldn't reallyWas that specific to the Scorpion squad?
comment much beyond admitting what was public record that Memphis
lowered recruiting standards due to difficulties in recruiting.
Does Cuomo have a podcast or
something? Where would I have seen it?
recruiting all over.
I guess you missed the mayor "claimed the unit was responsible for 566 arrests, 390 of them felony arrests, seized $103,000 in cash, 270
vehicles and 253 weapons between October 2021 and Jan. 23, 2022" in his
state of the city speech.
No matter how they actually performed, the squad was not a place to dump losers or pass turkeys.
On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 1:38:20 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 1/30/23 12:41 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 8:37:42 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:Was that specific to the Scorpion squad?
On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 12:33:27 AM UTC-6, ScottW
wrote:
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 3:55:59 PM UTC-8, MINe109I sense you're trying to blame these individual cops by
wrote:
On 1/29/23 5:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
How stupid would a cop have to be to think that after theHow would you know?Do you think the cops thought they could get awayNo, because they're cops.
with it because they're black?
No...I don't think any cop believes that anymore.
Floyd case? Could there be some that stupid....maybe in
Memphis.
implying they are unqualified diversity hires due to their
ethnicity. No, the unit was considered elite and successful
I'm guessing you missed Cuomo grilling the DA who couldn't
really comment much beyond admitting what was public record that
Memphis lowered recruiting standards due to difficulties in
recruiting.
Two of the guys charged.
Now I keep hearing that the "system" is racist because of the culture
it allows to develop. What a load of crap.
Memphis PD has a crime problem, a recruiting problem, a funding
problem (poor community) and an overall lack of supervision.
People keep claiming the Chief did well and is trying to make
improvements but after a year and half on the job we see much is
still needed.
Does Cuomo have a podcast or something? Where would I have seen
it?
He's back on TV...Newsnation.
And police are having trouble recruiting all over.
I guess you missed the mayor "claimed the unit was responsible for
566 arrests, 390 of them felony arrests, seized $103,000 in cash,
270 vehicles and 253 weapons between October 2021 and Jan. 23,
2022" in his state of the city speech.
No matter how they actually performed, the squad was not a place to
dump losers or pass turkeys.
Well that's pretty f'in scary if these guys are the cream of the
Memphis PD cops. GMAFB. You can't ignore how they performed....no
matter what.
On 1/31/23 5:59 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 1:38:20 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 1/30/23 12:41 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 8:37:42 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:Was that specific to the Scorpion squad?
On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 12:33:27 AM UTC-6, ScottW
wrote:
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 3:55:59 PM UTC-8, MINe109I sense you're trying to blame these individual cops by
wrote:
On 1/29/23 5:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
How stupid would a cop have to be to think that after theHow would you know?Do you think the cops thought they could get awayNo, because they're cops.
with it because they're black?
No...I don't think any cop believes that anymore.
Floyd case? Could there be some that stupid....maybe in
Memphis.
implying they are unqualified diversity hires due to their
ethnicity. No, the unit was considered elite and successful
I'm guessing you missed Cuomo grilling the DA who couldn't
really comment much beyond admitting what was public record that
Memphis lowered recruiting standards due to difficulties in
recruiting.
Two of the guys charged.That would count to the initial hire, not the subsequent assignment.
Now I keep hearing that the "system" is racist because of the cultureIt's racist because of its impact on minorities.
it allows to develop. What a load of crap.
If cops were racist in
their hearts but didn't let it affect their performance there'd be less
to complain about.
Memphis PD has a crime problem, a recruiting problem, a fundingThere are similar problems in similar elite specialty squads all over
problem (poor community) and an overall lack of supervision.
the country: Atlanta, Philadelphia, NYC, Baltimore, etc.
People keep claiming the Chief did well and is trying to makeMaybe the system is the problem.
improvements but after a year and half on the job we see much is
still needed.
Does Cuomo have a podcast or something? Where would I have seen
it?
He's back on TV...Newsnation.That's like tv but is hardly a mainstream network.
And police are having trouble recruiting all over.
I guess you missed the mayor "claimed the unit was responsible for
566 arrests, 390 of them felony arrests, seized $103,000 in cash,
270 vehicles and 253 weapons between October 2021 and Jan. 23,
2022" in his state of the city speech.
No matter how they actually performed, the squad was not a place to
dump losers or pass turkeys.
Well that's pretty f'in scary if these guys are the cream of theSince the problem is how they performed in this case, you're not making sense.
Memphis PD cops. GMAFB. You can't ignore how they performed....no
matter what.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:26:06 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 1/31/23 5:59 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 1:38:20 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:That would count to the initial hire, not the subsequent
On 1/30/23 12:41 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 8:37:42 AM UTC-8, MINe109Was that specific to the Scorpion squad?
wrote:
On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 12:33:27 AM UTC-6, ScottW
wrote:
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 3:55:59 PM UTC-8, MINe109I sense you're trying to blame these individual cops by
wrote:
On 1/29/23 5:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
How stupid would a cop have to be to think that after theHow would you know?Do you think the cops thought they could get awayNo, because they're cops.
with it because they're black?
No...I don't think any cop believes that anymore.
Floyd case? Could there be some that stupid....maybe in
Memphis.
implying they are unqualified diversity hires due to their
ethnicity. No, the unit was considered elite and
successful
I'm guessing you missed Cuomo grilling the DA who couldn't
really comment much beyond admitting what was public record
that Memphis lowered recruiting standards due to
difficulties in recruiting.
Two of the guys charged.
assignment.
And there ya go.
Now the "experts" are saying these "elite" squads are more prone to developing a "culture" due to their closed ranks organization. They
become disassociated from the rest of the force.
Now I keep hearing that the "system" is racist because of theIt's racist because of its impact on minorities.
culture it allows to develop. What a load of crap.
Except the data analysis doesn't support that. And blaming Police
brutality all on racism hasn't helped solve the problem as proven in
Memphis.
If cops were racist in their hearts but didn't let it affect their
performance there'd be less to complain about.
So focus on the performance issues and don't let volatile accusations
of "racism" impede progress.
Memphis PD has a crime problem, a recruiting problem, a fundingThere are similar problems in similar elite specialty squads all
problem (poor community) and an overall lack of supervision.
over the country: Atlanta, Philadelphia, NYC, Baltimore, etc.
Ok...and there's possibly a problem with that "elitist" club
creating a culture issue making them more prone to use overly brutal
and unwarranted methods. I'm not sure why a specialty squad should
be responding to a traffic stop on the other hand I'm sure a town
like Memphis can't afford to have "elite" officers sitting around
waiting for a hostage situation or an armed standoff.
People keep claiming the Chief did well and is trying to makeMaybe the system is the problem.
improvements but after a year and half on the job we see much is
still needed.
Too vague to even comment. It's platitude talk. And who is
responsible for the "system" if not the Chief?
That's like tv but is hardly a mainstream network.Does Cuomo have a podcast or something? Where would I have seen
it?
He's back on TV...Newsnation.
So? I hope you're not letting "mainstream networks" like Fox
establish your limits of discussion and thought.
Since the problem is how they performed in this case, you're notAnd police are having trouble recruiting all over.
I guess you missed the mayor "claimed the unit was responsible
for 566 arrests, 390 of them felony arrests, seized $103,000
in cash, 270 vehicles and 253 weapons between October 2021 and
Jan. 23, 2022" in his state of the city speech.
No matter how they actually performed, the squad was not a
place to dump losers or pass turkeys.
Well that's pretty f'in scary if these guys are the cream of the
Memphis PD cops. GMAFB. You can't ignore how they
performed....no matter what.
making sense.
Oh gee....no big deal. It was just one case. Listen to yourself.
Turn in your prog badge. You're fired.
On 2/1/23 10:50 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:26:06 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 1/31/23 5:59 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 1:38:20 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:That would count to the initial hire, not the subsequent
On 1/30/23 12:41 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 8:37:42 AM UTC-8, MINe109Was that specific to the Scorpion squad?
wrote:
On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 12:33:27 AM UTC-6, ScottW
wrote:
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 3:55:59 PM UTC-8, MINe109I sense you're trying to blame these individual cops by
wrote:
On 1/29/23 5:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
How stupid would a cop have to be to think that after theHow would you know?Do you think the cops thought they could get awayNo, because they're cops.
with it because they're black?
No...I don't think any cop believes that anymore.
Floyd case? Could there be some that stupid....maybe in
Memphis.
implying they are unqualified diversity hires due to their
ethnicity. No, the unit was considered elite and
successful
I'm guessing you missed Cuomo grilling the DA who couldn't
really comment much beyond admitting what was public record
that Memphis lowered recruiting standards due to
difficulties in recruiting.
Two of the guys charged.
assignment.
And there ya go.The Scorpion squad was not a "diversity" unit created to give
under-qualified officers something to do.
Now the "experts" are saying these "elite" squads are more prone to developing a "culture" due to their closed ranks organization. They
become disassociated from the rest of the force.
Maybe you heard "experts" say it , but that's not any kind of excuse.
There's plenty of talk of unofficial police gangs so this problem isn't limited to official units.
Now I keep hearing that the "system" is racist because of theIt's racist because of its impact on minorities.
culture it allows to develop. What a load of crap.
Except the data analysis doesn't support that. And blaming PoliceData does support that,
brutality all on racism hasn't helped solve the problem as proven in Memphis.
if you don't insist on "all." And since ignoring
racism doesn't stop brutality, how is that better?
If cops were racist in their hearts but didn't let it affect their
performance there'd be less to complain about.
So focus on the performance issues and don't let volatile accusationsIs that the problem in Memphis?
of "racism" impede progress.
Of course, another point is these black
cops suffered quick punishment while white cops go untouched other
places, a disparate outcome.
Memphis PD has a crime problem, a recruiting problem, a fundingThere are similar problems in similar elite specialty squads all
problem (poor community) and an overall lack of supervision.
over the country: Atlanta, Philadelphia, NYC, Baltimore, etc.
Ok...and there's possibly a problem with that "elitist" clubThat's the point: minor offenses are given strong reactions to create deterrence in high crime areas. Beatings, car impounds, etc.
creating a culture issue making them more prone to use overly brutal
and unwarranted methods. I'm not sure why a specialty squad should
be responding to a traffic stop on the other hand I'm sure a town
like Memphis can't afford to have "elite" officers sitting around
waiting for a hostage situation or an armed standoff.
I don't think you've done much research on this if you thought the
SCORPION unit was a SWAT team.
People keep claiming the Chief did well and is trying to makeMaybe the system is the problem.
improvements but after a year and half on the job we see much is
still needed.
Too vague to even comment. It's platitude talk. And who isThe system is the police system, hence the arguments for reform,
responsible for the "system" if not the Chief?
especially taking traffic stops, mental health crises, etc, away from
regular police.
That's like tv but is hardly a mainstream network.Does Cuomo have a podcast or something? Where would I have seen
it?
He's back on TV...Newsnation.
So? I hope you're not letting "mainstream networks" like FoxNo, just telling you I'm not likely to see someone I didn't watch on CNN
establish your limits of discussion and thought.
on an even smaller and more obscure outlet with a strong right-wing bias.
Since the problem is how they performed in this case, you're notAnd police are having trouble recruiting all over.
I guess you missed the mayor "claimed the unit was responsible
for 566 arrests, 390 of them felony arrests, seized $103,000
in cash, 270 vehicles and 253 weapons between October 2021 and
Jan. 23, 2022" in his state of the city speech.
No matter how they actually performed, the squad was not a
place to dump losers or pass turkeys.
Well that's pretty f'in scary if these guys are the cream of the
Memphis PD cops. GMAFB. You can't ignore how they
performed....no matter what.
making sense.
Oh gee....no big deal. It was just one case. Listen to yourself.Just one case, with these specific minority-hire cops. That's your
Turn in your prog badge. You're fired.
argument, not mine.
Had they performed correctly, there'd be nothing to
complain about.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:23:08 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 10:50 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:26:06 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
The Scorpion squad was not a "diversity" unit created to give
under-qualified officers something to do.
No, we'll chalk up the entire Memphis PD for that characterization.
Now the "experts" are saying these "elite" squads are more prone
to developing a "culture" due to their closed ranks organization.
They become disassociated from the rest of the force.
Maybe you heard "experts" say it, but that's not any kind of
excuse.
I never said it was an excuse but it is a reality.
You see the same shit take place in corporate world when a "team" is
created devoted to one task. It limits interaction with the rest of
the workforce and upon completion of said task reintegration may be difficult.
There's plenty of talk of unofficial police gangs so this problem
isn't limited to official units.
No it isn't...but it is a common systemic cause for said gang
formation if you need to find one.
Data does support that,Now I keep hearing that the "system" is racist because ofIt's racist because of its impact on minorities.
the culture it allows to develop. What a load of crap.
Except the data analysis doesn't support that. And blaming
Police brutality all on racism hasn't helped solve the problem as
proven in Memphis.
Actually it does not but you won't look at it in a way without
considering the varying crime and differing interaction rates with
police. Go down that path is a forever problem with no solution.
if you don't insist on "all." And since ignoring racism doesn't
stop brutality, how is that better?
Because you can focus on tangible and realistic solutions. Like
making sure these units don't act independently without supervision.
Is that the problem in Memphis?If cops were racist in their hearts but didn't let it affect
their performance there'd be less to complain about.
So focus on the performance issues and don't let volatile
accusations of "racism" impede progress.
Can't say for sure...but a year and a half of trying to improve
doesn't speak much for the current approach.
Of course, another point is these black cops suffered quick
punishment while white cops go untouched other places, a disparate
outcome.
Tell it to the George Floyd cops. One was a rookie out on training
largely to observe senior officers.
He got prosecuted for not intervening which I still say is nuts.
Purely a political prosecution. A sacrificial lamb to the mob.
Anyway, just more inflammatory and unproven obfuscation to foster
even more racism.
That's the point: minor offenses are given strong reactions toMemphis PD has a crime problem, a recruiting problem, aThere are similar problems in similar elite specialty squads
funding problem (poor community) and an overall lack of
supervision.
all over the country: Atlanta, Philadelphia, NYC, Baltimore,
etc.
Ok...and there's possibly a problem with that "elitist" club
creating a culture issue making them more prone to use overly
brutal and unwarranted methods. I'm not sure why a specialty
squad should be responding to a traffic stop on the other hand
I'm sure a town like Memphis can't afford to have "elite"
officers sitting around waiting for a hostage situation or an
armed standoff.
create deterrence in high crime areas. Beatings, car impounds,
etc.
Broken window policing works....but beatings are not condoned.
I don't think you've done much research on this if you thought the
SCORPION unit was a SWAT team.
I never said it was.
More like the tactics used in LA to restore policing to neighborhoods
where routine patrols were stopped as too dangerous. They would only
respond to calls in force. Eventually LAPD created units that
patrolled in force because a single unit was simply target practice.
The system is the police system, hence the arguments for reform,People keep claiming the Chief did well and is trying toMaybe the system is the problem.
make improvements but after a year and half on the job we see
much is still needed.
Too vague to even comment. It's platitude talk. And who is
responsible for the "system" if not the Chief?
Unit disbanded. Reform complete.
especially taking traffic stops, mental health crises, etc, away
from regular police.
They never did that. You just said these guys ARE regular police.
It's the size of the response required in certain neighborhoods that
is different.
No, just telling you I'm not likely to see someone I didn't watchThat's like tv but is hardly a mainstream network.Does Cuomo have a podcast or something? Where would I have
seen it?
He's back on TV...Newsnation.
So? I hope you're not letting "mainstream networks" like Fox
establish your limits of discussion and thought.
on CNN on an even smaller and more obscure outlet with a strong
right-wing bias.
LoL....NewsNation is not NewsMax.
You need to get out of your bubble. What news do you actually watch
or read?
Just one case, with these specific minority-hire cops. That's yourSince the problem is how they performed in this case, you'reAnd police are having trouble recruiting all over.
I guess you missed the mayor "claimed the unit was
responsible for 566 arrests, 390 of them felony arrests,
seized $103,000 in cash, 270 vehicles and 253 weapons
between October 2021 and Jan. 23, 2022" in his state of the
city speech.
No matter how they actually performed, the squad was not a
place to dump losers or pass turkeys.
Well that's pretty f'in scary if these guys are the cream of
the Memphis PD cops. GMAFB. You can't ignore how they
performed....no matter what.
not making sense.
Oh gee....no big deal. It was just one case. Listen to yourself.
Turn in your prog badge. You're fired.
argument, not mine.
BS Never mentioned a case count though I do suspect efforts at
diversity have forced a reduction in hiring standards cuz these goons
are a bad joke.
Had they performed correctly, there'd be nothing to complain
about.
Yeah...and if the earth spins the other direction maybe we could all
grow younger.
On 2/1/23 8:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:23:08 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 10:50 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:26:06 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
The Scorpion squad was not a "diversity" unit created to give
under-qualified officers something to do.
No, we'll chalk up the entire Memphis PD for that characterization.And any police force that changes its requirements? I guess we've found
the point of division for knee-jerk defense of the police: diversity.
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:34:55 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 8:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:23:08 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 10:50 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:26:06 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
The Scorpion squad was not a "diversity" unit created to give
under-qualified officers something to do.
I guess you've gotta have a point of division.No, we'll chalk up the entire Memphis PD for that characterization.And any police force that changes its requirements? I guess we've found the point of division for knee-jerk defense of the police: diversity.
I think more along a continuum.
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 9:32:30 PM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:34:55 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 8:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:23:08 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 10:50 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:26:06 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
The Scorpion squad was not a "diversity" unit created to give
under-qualified officers something to do.
So which of the five wouldn’t have qualified under the higher standards?I guess you've gotta have a point of division.No, we'll chalk up the entire Memphis PD for that characterization.And any police force that changes its requirements? I guess we've found the point of division for knee-jerk defense of the police: diversity.
I think more along a continuum.
On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 2:23:37 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 9:32:30 PM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:34:55 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:So which of the five wouldn’t have qualified under the higher standards?
On 2/1/23 8:58 PM, ScottW wrote:I guess you've gotta have a point of division.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:23:08 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote: >>>>>> On 2/1/23 10:50 AM, ScottW wrote:And any police force that changes its requirements? I guess we've found >>>> the point of division for knee-jerk defense of the police: diversity.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:26:06 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
The Scorpion squad was not a "diversity" unit created to give
under-qualified officers something to do.
No, we'll chalk up the entire Memphis PD for that characterization.
I think more along a continuum.
All of them. Unless you think having standards accepting of goons is good enough.
On 2/3/23 5:52 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 2:23:37 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 9:32:30 PM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:34:55 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:So which of the five wouldn’t have qualified under the higher standards?
On 2/1/23 8:58 PM, ScottW wrote:I think more along a continuum.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:23:08 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote: >>>>>> On 2/1/23 10:50 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:26:06 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
The Scorpion squad was not a "diversity" unit created to give
under-qualified officers something to do.
No, we'll chalk up the entire Memphis PD for that characterization. >>>> And any police force that changes its requirements? I guess we've found >>>> the point of division for knee-jerk defense of the police: diversity. >>> I guess you've gotta have a point of division.
All of them. Unless you think having standards accepting of goons is good enough.To be more specific, which of the five wouldn't have been qualified to
be hired under the older standards?
On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 7:05:16 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/3/23 5:52 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 2:23:37 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:To be more specific, which of the five wouldn't have been qualified to
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 9:32:30 PM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:All of them. Unless you think having standards accepting of goons is good enough.
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:34:55 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:So which of the five wouldn’t have qualified under the higher standards? >>>
On 2/1/23 8:58 PM, ScottW wrote:I think more along a continuum.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:23:08 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2/1/23 10:50 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:26:06 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
The Scorpion squad was not a "diversity" unit created to give
under-qualified officers something to do.
No, we'll chalk up the entire Memphis PD for that characterization. >>>>>> And any police force that changes its requirements? I guess we've found >>>>>> the point of division for knee-jerk defense of the police: diversity. >>>>> I guess you've gotta have a point of division.
be hired under the older standards?
All of them failed to pass the unwritten standards of no goons.
Unless they got the "blind eye" as you have.
I'm all for police reform. Goon squads wouldn't be allowed to make
traffic stops like this one.
On 2/4/23 6:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 7:05:16 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/3/23 5:52 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 2:23:37 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:To be more specific, which of the five wouldn't have been qualified to
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 9:32:30 PM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:34:55 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote: >>>>>> On 2/1/23 8:58 PM, ScottW wrote:So which of the five wouldn’t have qualified under the higher standards?
I think more along a continuum.On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:23:08 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2/1/23 10:50 AM, ScottW wrote:the point of division for knee-jerk defense of the police: diversity. >>>>> I guess you've gotta have a point of division.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:26:06 AM UTC-8, MINe109 >>>>>>>>> wrote:
The Scorpion squad was not a "diversity" unit created to give >>>>>>>> under-qualified officers something to do.
No, we'll chalk up the entire Memphis PD for that characterization. >>>>>> And any police force that changes its requirements? I guess we've found
All of them. Unless you think having standards accepting of goons is good enough.
be hired under the older standards?
All of them failed to pass the unwritten standards of no goons.You don't care to defend your argument?
Unless they got the "blind eye" as you have.I'm all for police reform. Goon squads wouldn't be allowed to make
traffic stops like this one.
I prefer no goons....period.
On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 4:34:17 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/4/23 6:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 7:05:16 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:You don't care to defend your argument?
On 2/3/23 5:52 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 2:23:37 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:To be more specific, which of the five wouldn't have been qualified to >>>> be hired under the older standards?
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 9:32:30 PM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:34:55 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2/1/23 8:58 PM, ScottW wrote:So which of the five wouldn’t have qualified under the higher standards?
I think more along a continuum.On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:23:08 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2/1/23 10:50 AM, ScottW wrote:the point of division for knee-jerk defense of the police: diversity. >>>>>>> I guess you've gotta have a point of division.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:26:06 AM UTC-8, MINe109 >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
The Scorpion squad was not a "diversity" unit created to give >>>>>>>>>> under-qualified officers something to do.
No, we'll chalk up the entire Memphis PD for that characterization. >>>>>>>> And any police force that changes its requirements? I guess we've found
All of them. Unless you think having standards accepting of goons is good enough.
All of them failed to pass the unwritten standards of no goons.
I don't care to indulge your box check argument.
Unless they got the "blind eye" as you have.I'm all for police reform. Goon squads wouldn't be allowed to make
traffic stops like this one.
I prefer no goons....period.
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