Your peers are calling it isolationism.
Markos and Kerry are joined by University of St. Andrews Professor of Strategic Studies, Phillips P. O’Brien. O’Brien, an expert in
military history, explains how we got to where we are right now, what
is unique about the world’s reaction to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine,
and the parallels between the conservative movement’s isolationism in
World War II and now.
https://player.captivate.fm/episode/f0274983-fc07-49db-902b-33827b74a5fd
On 2/2/23 10:29 PM, ScottW wrote:
Your peers are calling it isolationism.That doesn't mean there's no far right support for Russia.
Markos and Kerry are joined by University of St. Andrews Professor of Strategic Studies, Phillips P. O’Brien. O’Brien, an expert in
military history, explains how we got to where we are right now, what
is unique about the world’s reaction to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and the parallels between the conservative movement’s isolationism in World War II and now.
https://player.captivate.fm/episode/f0274983-fc07-49db-902b-33827b74a5fdhttps://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/these-are-the-american-right-wingers-covering-for-putin-as-russia-invades-ukraine-1311965/
On 2/2/23 10:29 PM, ScottW wrote:
Your peers are calling it isolationism.That doesn't mean there's no far right support for Russia.
Markos and Kerry are joined by University of St. Andrews Professor of Strategic Studies, Phillips P. O’Brien. O’Brien, an expert in
military history, explains how we got to where we are right now, what
is unique about the world’s reaction to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and the parallels between the conservative movement’s isolationism in World War II and now.
https://player.captivate.fm/episode/f0274983-fc07-49db-902b-33827b74a5fdhttps://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/these-are-the-american-right-wingers-covering-for-putin-as-russia-invades-ukraine-1311965/
On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 7:05:42 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/2/23 10:29 PM, ScottW wrote:
Your peers are calling it isolationism.That doesn't mean there's no far right support for Russia.
Markos and Kerry are joined by University of St. Andrews
Professor of Strategic Studies, Phillips P. O’Brien. O’Brien, an
expert in military history, explains how we got to where we are
right now, what is unique about the world’s reaction to Russia’s
invasion of Ukraine, and the parallels between the conservative
movement’s isolationism in World War II and now.
https://player.captivate.fm/episode/f0274983-fc07-49db-902b-33827b74a5fd
Same 'ol BS. Misrepresentation of what they say.
No one is excusing Putin for his invasion of Ukraine. But they do
raise uncomfortable questions. Did we ignore the perceived threat
Russia would feel from a EU favored Ukraine?
Is the strategy of a military victory over Russia versus a
negotiated settlement to fraught with risk of a wider war? Is our own military industrial complex > involved in profiteering from the war?
My own opinions is I don't know but at this point...until a nuke
drops...I lean toward it's all worth the cost to reject this
aggression and is the only real deterrent to future aggression.
On 2/4/23 5:59 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 7:05:42 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/2/23 10:29 PM, ScottW wrote:
Your peers are calling it isolationism.That doesn't mean there's no far right support for Russia.
Markos and Kerry are joined by University of St. Andrews
Professor of Strategic Studies, Phillips P. O’Brien. O’Brien, an
expert in military history, explains how we got to where we are
right now, what is unique about the world’s reaction to Russia’s
invasion of Ukraine, and the parallels between the conservative
movement’s isolationism in World War II and now.
https://player.captivate.fm/episode/f0274983-fc07-49db-902b-33827b74a5fd
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/these-are-the-american-right-wingers-covering-for-putin-as-russia-invades-ukraine-1311965/
Same 'ol BS. Misrepresentation of what they say.How are the quotes a misrepresentation?
have that tells them when he means what he says?
Vance has business ties to Russia. Let's be generous and declare Alex
Jones incoherent.
No one is excusing Putin for his invasion of Ukraine. But they doSince the EU and Ukraine bent over backwards to negotiate away that
raise uncomfortable questions. Did we ignore the perceived threat
Russia would feel from a EU favored Ukraine?
threat, your concern is misplaced.
https://theconversation.com/ukraine-got-a-signed-commitment-in-1994-to-ensure-its-security-but-can-the-us-and-allies-stop-putins-aggression-now-173481
tl/dr: Ukraine gave up nukes in return for Russian non-aggression.
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements
Is the strategy of a military victory over Russia versus aIt's true this conflict will require replenishing arms, even those not
negotiated settlement to fraught with risk of a wider war? Is our own military industrial complex > involved in profiteering from the war?
used on the battlefield, which will certainly enrich manufacturers.
My own opinions is I don't know but at this point...until a nukeI agree that Russia won't stop until it is stopped.
drops...I lean toward it's all worth the cost to reject this
aggression and is the only real deterrent to future aggression.
On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 4:18:15 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/4/23 5:59 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 7:05:42 AM UTC-8, MINe109How are the quotes a misrepresentation?
wrote:
On 2/2/23 10:29 PM, ScottW wrote:
Your peers are calling it isolationism.That doesn't mean there's no far right support for Russia.
Markos and Kerry are joined by University of St. Andrews
Professor of Strategic Studies, Phillips P. O’Brien. O’Brien,
an expert in military history, explains how we got to where
we are right now, what is unique about the world’s reaction
to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and the parallels between
the conservative movement’s isolationism in World War II and
now.
https://player.captivate.fm/episode/f0274983-fc07-49db-902b-33827b74a5fd >>
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/these-are-the-american-right-wingers-covering-for-putin-as-russia-invades-ukraine-1311965/
Same 'ol BS. Misrepresentation of what they say.
Right there in the title "covering for Putin". They open with a
smear.
Is there a secret code TC fans
have that tells them when he means what he says?
Vance has business ties to Russia. Let's be generous and declare
Alex Jones incoherent.
Then why are referencing the incoherent?
No one is excusing Putin for his invasion of Ukraine. But theySince the EU and Ukraine bent over backwards to negotiate away
do raise uncomfortable questions. Did we ignore the perceived
threat Russia would feel from a EU favored Ukraine?
that threat, your concern is misplaced.
https://theconversation.com/ukraine-got-a-signed-commitment-in-1994-to-ensure-its-security-but-can-the-us-and-allies-stop-putins-aggression-now-173481
And that requires the US to seek redress via the UN Security
Council. Pretty stupid on Ukraines part to think that would save them
from Russian aggression given they hold veto there.
tl/dr: Ukraine gave up nukes in return for Russian non-aggression.
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements
Is the strategy of a military victory over Russia versus aIt's true this conflict will require replenishing arms, even those
negotiated settlement to fraught with risk of a wider war? Is our
own military industrial complex > involved in profiteering from
the war?
not used on the battlefield, which will certainly enrich
manufacturers.
My own opinions is I don't know but at this point...until a nukeI agree that Russia won't stop until it is stopped.
drops...I lean toward it's all worth the cost to reject this
aggression and is the only real deterrent to future aggression.
And Tucker has long argued at what cost? And who may be profiteering
along the way? Is there a path to negotiated settlement? Is the US
blocking that path? And for this he's branded a Putin stooge. Makes
one think he may be on to something. When the pigs squeal...we should
all wonder why.
On 2/4/23 6:31 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 4:18:15 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/4/23 5:59 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 7:05:42 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
On 2/2/23 10:29 PM, ScottW wrote:
Your peers are calling it isolationism.That doesn't mean there's no far right support for Russia.
Markos and Kerry are joined by University of St. Andrews
Professor of Strategic Studies, Phillips P. O’Brien. O’Brien, >>>>> an expert in military history, explains how we got to where
we are right now, what is unique about the world’s reaction
to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and the parallels between
the conservative movement’s isolationism in World War II and
now.
https://player.captivate.fm/episode/f0274983-fc07-49db-902b-33827b74a5fd
How are the quotes a misrepresentation?https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/these-are-the-american-right-wingers-covering-for-putin-as-russia-invades-ukraine-1311965/
Same 'ol BS. Misrepresentation of what they say.
Right there in the title "covering for Putin". They open with a
smear.
Is there a secret code TC fans
have that tells them when he means what he says?
Vance has business ties to Russia. Let's be generous and declare
Alex Jones incoherent.
Then why are referencing the incoherent?
No one is excusing Putin for his invasion of Ukraine. But theySince the EU and Ukraine bent over backwards to negotiate away
do raise uncomfortable questions. Did we ignore the perceived
threat Russia would feel from a EU favored Ukraine?
that threat, your concern is misplaced.
https://theconversation.com/ukraine-got-a-signed-commitment-in-1994-to-ensure-its-security-but-can-the-us-and-allies-stop-putins-aggression-now-173481
Well, then it's okay for Russia to invade if Ukraine is stupid?And that requires the US to seek redress via the UN Security
Council. Pretty stupid on Ukraines part to think that would save them
from Russian aggression given they hold veto there.
Kinda
puts that Russian fear in a different light.
tl/dr: Ukraine gave up nukes in return for Russian non-aggression.
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements
Is the strategy of a military victory over Russia versus aIt's true this conflict will require replenishing arms, even those
negotiated settlement to fraught with risk of a wider war? Is our
own military industrial complex > involved in profiteering from
the war?
not used on the battlefield, which will certainly enrich
manufacturers.
My own opinions is I don't know but at this point...until a nukeI agree that Russia won't stop until it is stopped.
drops...I lean toward it's all worth the cost to reject this
aggression and is the only real deterrent to future aggression.
And Tucker has long argued at what cost? And who may be profiteeringYes, what cost? He didn't propose any limit.
along the way? Is there a path to negotiated settlement? Is the US blocking that path? And for this he's branded a Putin stooge. Makes
one think he may be on to something. When the pigs squeal...we should
all wonder why.
Oil companies make money
too with no complaint from the right.
Negotiations depend on Russia who
has not been trustworthy in the past. The US is not blocking the path to negotiations.
So taken together Tucker leaning on the Russian side of all the subjects
he raises might lead some to think him a Russian stooge, as you put it.
Here's a different view:
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/real-reason-tucker-carlson-supports-russia-s-putin-n1290153
"For some activists, lawmakers and commentators, Carlson’s decision to minimize Russia's imminent invasion and push back against critics of
Russian President Vladimir Putin meant he was siding with Russia against
the U.S. But that’s a misread. Carlson isn’t in favor of Russia over America or angling to aid Russia in dominating or controlling the U.S. — he wants the U.S. to be like Russia.
On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 4:58:47 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/4/23 6:31 PM, ScottW wrote:
No one is excusing Putin for his invasion of Ukraine. But theySince the EU and Ukraine bent over backwards to negotiate away
do raise uncomfortable questions. Did we ignore the perceived
threat Russia would feel from a EU favored Ukraine?
that threat, your concern is misplaced.
https://theconversation.com/ukraine-got-a-signed-commitment-in-1994-to-ensure-its-security-but-can-the-us-and-allies-stop-putins-aggression-now-173481
And that requires the US to seek redress via the UN SecurityWell, then it's okay for Russia to invade if Ukraine is stupid?
Council. Pretty stupid on Ukraines part to think that would save them
from Russian aggression given they hold veto there.
Stupid lame argument.
Add "Well then" to whataboutism. Hope that answers your question but for the record, No.
And Tucker has said so but you wouldn't no that.
Kinda puts that Russian fear in a different light.
You seem to be in perpetual fear of many things. Hard to keep track.
Yes, what cost? He didn't propose any limit.tl/dr: Ukraine gave up nukes in return for Russian non-aggression.
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements
Is the strategy of a military victory over Russia versus aIt's true this conflict will require replenishing arms, even those
negotiated settlement to fraught with risk of a wider war? Is our
own military industrial complex > involved in profiteering from
the war?
not used on the battlefield, which will certainly enrich
manufacturers.
My own opinions is I don't know but at this point...until a nukeI agree that Russia won't stop until it is stopped.
drops...I lean toward it's all worth the cost to reject this
aggression and is the only real deterrent to future aggression.
And Tucker has long argued at what cost? And who may be profiteering
along the way? Is there a path to negotiated settlement? Is the US
blocking that path? And for this he's branded a Putin stooge. Makes
one think he may be on to something. When the pigs squeal...we should
all wonder why.
Nor has Joe or the war supporters. "Whatever it takes" seems to be the answer.
Oil companies make money
too with no complaint from the right.
So do f'in Piano teachers. GMAFB from the incoherent look over here bs.
Negotiations depend on Russia who
has not been trustworthy in the past. The US is not blocking the path to
negotiations.
Some reports have been to the contrary. Hard to know what's going on in the background.
Kind of like Joe's "fire the prosecutor or " extortion possible.
So taken together Tucker leaning on the Russian side of all the subjects
BS predicate again. If someone says "Nuke russia" and you say no,
are you leaing on the Russian side?
he raises might lead some to think him a Russian stooge, as you put it.
They aren't paying attention and are letting the propagandists and smear artists
think for them IMO.
Here's a different view:
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/real-reason-tucker-carlson-supports-russia-s-putin-n1290153
GMAFB....this is competitive media your looking to for fair assessment of Tucker?
Find me a good word on anything on Fox period from MSNBC. I don't think you can.
"For some activists, lawmakers and commentators, Carlson’s decision to
minimize Russia's imminent invasion and push back against critics of
Russian President Vladimir Putin meant he was siding with Russia against
the U.S. But that’s a misread. Carlson isn’t in favor of Russia over
America or angling to aid Russia in dominating or controlling the U.S. — >> he wants the U.S. to be like Russia.
And that's just nuts.....Do you seriously believe this BS?
How crazy and empty of your own thought are you?
Carlson isn’t in favor of Russia over
America or angling to aid Russia in dominating or controlling the U.S. —
he wants the U.S. to be like Russia.
And that's just nuts.....Do you seriously believe this BS?That some, including Carlson, admire Russia for what they believe
Russians believe and stand for? Yes.
Carlson isn’t in favor of Russia over
America or angling to aid Russia in dominating or controlling the U.S. —
he wants the U.S. to be like Russia.
How do you equate "admire Russia for what they believeAnd that's just nuts.....Do you seriously believe this BS?That some, including Carlson, admire Russia for what they believe
Russians believe and stand for? Yes.
Russians believe and stand for" to "wants the US to be like Russia".
That's nuts. GMAFB. Every time someone says something about American exceptionalism
you can claim they want to be like Russia.
F'in stupid.
On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 6:30:59 PM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
Carlson isn’t in favor of Russia over
America or angling to aid Russia in dominating or controlling the U.S. —
he wants the U.S. to be like Russia.
If they admire the Russian stance on, say, homosexuality and want the US to have a similar stance, that would be a valid equation.How do you equate "admire Russia for what they believeAnd that's just nuts.....Do you seriously believe this BS?That some, including Carlson, admire Russia for what they believe Russians believe and stand for? Yes.
Russians believe and stand for" to "wants the US to be like Russia".
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:47:35 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 6:30:59 PM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
Carlson isn’t in favor of Russia over
America or angling to aid Russia in dominating or controlling the U.S. —
he wants the U.S. to be like Russia.
utter nonsense.If they admire the Russian stance on, say, homosexuality and want the US to have a similar stance, that would be a valid equation.How do you equate "admire Russia for what they believeAnd that's just nuts.....Do you seriously believe this BS?That some, including Carlson, admire Russia for what they believe Russians believe and stand for? Yes.
Russians believe and stand for" to "wants the US to be like Russia".
Russia uses currency, we use currency....doesn't make us like Russia.
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 11:56:03 AM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:behind the World Congress of Families, an American evangelical and anti-gay-rights organization that Buchanan has explicitly praised. One of the WCF’s former leaders, Larry Jacobs, once declared that “the Russians might be the Christian saviors of
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:47:35 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 6:30:59 PM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
Carlson isn’t in favor of Russia over
America or angling to aid Russia in dominating or controlling the U.S. —
he wants the U.S. to be like Russia.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/false-romance-russia/603433/utter nonsense.If they admire the Russian stance on, say, homosexuality and want the US to have a similar stance, that would be a valid equation.How do you equate "admire Russia for what they believeAnd that's just nuts.....Do you seriously believe this BS?That some, including Carlson, admire Russia for what they believe Russians believe and stand for? Yes.
Russians believe and stand for" to "wants the US to be like Russia".
Russia uses currency, we use currency....doesn't make us like Russia.
The belief that Russia is on our side in the war against secularism and sexual decadence is shared by a host of American Christian leaders, as well as their colleagues on the European far right. Among them, for example, are the movers and shakers
Carlson’s support for Russia, by contrast, takes the form of snarling sarcasm rather than open admiration. Much as Jane Fonda once posed, just for the provocative kick of it, with a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun, Carlson has started teasing hisviewers and his critics with his amusingly contrarian views on Russia. “Why shouldn’t I root for Russia?” he asked recently. A couple of days later, he tried it again: “I think we should probably take the side of Russia, if we have to choose
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:23:53 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 11:56:03 AM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:47:35 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/false-romance-russia/603433/
On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 6:30:59 PM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:utter nonsense. Russia uses currency, we use currency....doesn't
If they admire the Russian stance on, say, homosexuality andHow do you equate "admire Russia for what they believeThat some, including Carlson, admire Russia for what theyCarlson isn’t in favor of Russia over America or
angling to aid Russia in dominating or controlling the
U.S. — he wants the U.S. to be like Russia.
And that's just nuts.....Do you seriously believe this
BS?
believe Russians believe and stand for? Yes.
Russians believe and stand for" to "wants the US to be like
Russia".
want the US to have a similar stance, that would be a valid
equation.
make us like Russia.
The belief that Russia is on our side in the war against secularism
and sexual decadence is shared by a host of American Christian
leaders...
Carlson’s support for Russia, by contrast, takes the form of
snarling sarcasm rather than open admiration. Much as Jane Fonda
once posed, just for the provocative kick of it, with a North
Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun, Carlson has started teasing his
viewers and his critics with his amusingly contrarian views on
Russia. “Why shouldn’t I root for Russia?” he asked recently. A
couple of days later, he tried it again: “I think we should
probably take the side of Russia, if we have to choose between
Russia and Ukraine.”
Are these two paragraphs connected?
I recall you had a name for the type of BS you just pulled. Two
completely unrelated events connected to imply similarity or some
such shudenMINE.
On 2/6/23 4:37 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:23:53 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 11:56:03 AM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:47:35 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/false-romance-russia/603433/
On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 6:30:59 PM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:utter nonsense. Russia uses currency, we use currency....doesn't
If they admire the Russian stance on, say, homosexuality andHow do you equate "admire Russia for what they believeThat some, including Carlson, admire Russia for what theyCarlson isn’t in favor of Russia over America or
angling to aid Russia in dominating or controlling the
U.S. — he wants the U.S. to be like Russia.
And that's just nuts.....Do you seriously believe this
BS?
believe Russians believe and stand for? Yes.
Russians believe and stand for" to "wants the US to be like
Russia".
want the US to have a similar stance, that would be a valid
equation.
make us like Russia.
The belief that Russia is on our side in the war against secularism
and sexual decadence is shared by a host of American Christian
leaders...
Carlson’s support for Russia, by contrast, takes the form of
snarling sarcasm rather than open admiration. Much as Jane Fonda
once posed, just for the provocative kick of it, with a North
Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun, Carlson has started teasing his
viewers and his critics with his amusingly contrarian views on
Russia. “Why shouldn’t I root for Russia?” he asked recently. A
couple of days later, he tried it again: “I think we should
probably take the side of Russia, if we have to choose between
Russia and Ukraine.”
Are these two paragraphs connected?Yes, they're contrasting.
I recall you had a name for the type of BS you just pulled. TwoThe bit about far-right Christian open admiration is contrasted with Carlson's more subtle support. They're also related as defenses of Russia.
completely unrelated events connected to imply similarity or some
such shudenMINE.
The bit about far-right Christian open admiration is contrasted with Carlson's more subtle support. They're also related as defenses of Russia.
Funny, I never considered Carlson subtle.
On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 7:33:58 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/6/23 4:37 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:23:53 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:Yes, they're contrasting.
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 11:56:03 AM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:47:35 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/false-romance-russia/603433/
On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 6:30:59 PM UTC-6, ScottW wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Carlson isn’t in favor of Russia over America orutter nonsense. Russia uses currency, we use currency....doesn't
If they admire the Russian stance on, say, homosexuality andHow do you equate "admire Russia for what they believeThat some, including Carlson, admire Russia for what theyangling to aid Russia in dominating or controlling the
U.S. — he wants the U.S. to be like Russia.
And that's just nuts.....Do you seriously believe this
BS?
believe Russians believe and stand for? Yes.
Russians believe and stand for" to "wants the US to be like
Russia".
want the US to have a similar stance, that would be a valid
equation.
make us like Russia.
The belief that Russia is on our side in the war against secularism
and sexual decadence is shared by a host of American Christian
leaders...
Carlson’s support for Russia, by contrast, takes the form of
snarling sarcasm rather than open admiration. Much as Jane Fonda
once posed, just for the provocative kick of it, with a North
Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun, Carlson has started teasing his
viewers and his critics with his amusingly contrarian views on
Russia. “Why shouldn’t I root for Russia?” he asked recently. A
couple of days later, he tried it again: “I think we should
probably take the side of Russia, if we have to choose between
Russia and Ukraine.”
Are these two paragraphs connected?
Duh....that's not a connection.
I recall you had a name for the type of BS you just pulled. TwoThe bit about far-right Christian open admiration is contrasted with
completely unrelated events connected to imply similarity or some
such shudenMINE.
Carlson's more subtle support. They're also related as defenses of Russia.
Funny, I never considered Carlson subtle. I guess he's subtly provocative.
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