• Question for Trevor

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 5 09:07:50 2023
    WTF?

    https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1613724250011242497

    Is the old threat of impending Ice Age coming back? Should I get me a parka while I can?

    ScottW

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Feb 6 05:48:34 2023
    On 6/02/2023 4:07 am, ScottW wrote:
    WTF?

    https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1613724250011242497

    Is the old threat of impending Ice Age coming back? Should I get me a parka while I can?

    ScottW

    **Your memory is fucked.

    I do not, nor will I ever bother with Twitter.

    Cite a credible source to justify whatever it is you are trying to say.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Sun Feb 5 12:58:09 2023
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 1:48:36 PM UTC-5, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 4:07 am, ScottW wrote:
    WTF?

    https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1613724250011242497

    Is the old threat of impending Ice Age coming back? Should I get me a parka while I can?

    ScottW
    **Your memory is fucked.

    I do not, nor will I ever bother with Twitter.

    Cite a credible source to justify whatever it is you are trying to say.

    AOC should certainly cut the mustard.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/aocs-chief-of-staff-admits-the-green-new-deal-is-not-about-climate-change/

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Mon Feb 6 08:20:57 2023
    On 6/02/2023 7:58 am, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 1:48:36 PM UTC-5, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 4:07 am, ScottW wrote:
    WTF?

    https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1613724250011242497

    Is the old threat of impending Ice Age coming back? Should I get me a parka while I can?

    ScottW
    **Your memory is fucked.

    I do not, nor will I ever bother with Twitter.

    Cite a credible source to justify whatever it is you are trying to say.

    AOC should certainly cut the mustard.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/aocs-chief-of-staff-admits-the-green-new-deal-is-not-about-climate-change/

    **See if you can locate a more unbalanced news source. I bet you can't.

    National Review is seriously unbalanced:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Review#Climate_change



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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Sun Feb 5 16:20:17 2023
    On 2/5/23 12:48 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 4:07 am, ScottW wrote:
    WTF?

    https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1613724250011242497

    Is the old threat of impending Ice Age coming back?  Should I get me a
    parka while I can?

    ScottW

    **Your memory is fucked.

    I do not, nor will I ever bother with Twitter.

    Even an account called "Junk Science"?

    Cite a credible source to justify whatever it is you are trying to say.

    I'm bored enough to click through...

    Cherry picking the last 8 years of surface temperature to claim a
    decline. Troll bait.

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 6 10:16:59 2023
    On 6/02/2023 9:20 am, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/5/23 12:48 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 4:07 am, ScottW wrote:
    WTF?

    https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1613724250011242497

    Is the old threat of impending Ice Age coming back?  Should I get me
    a parka while I can?

    ScottW

    **Your memory is fucked.

    I do not, nor will I ever bother with Twitter.

    Even an account called "Junk Science"?

    Cite a credible source to justify whatever it is you are trying to say.

    I'm bored enough to click through...

    Cherry picking the last 8 years of surface temperature to claim a
    decline. Troll bait.

    **That's Twitter for you. There is no oversight. Twitter is useless to
    me (and any sane human).

    Scotty will never present a credible cite for his insane claims.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Sun Feb 5 15:45:50 2023
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 1:20:59 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 7:58 am, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 1:48:36 PM UTC-5, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 4:07 am, ScottW wrote:
    WTF?

    https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1613724250011242497

    Is the old threat of impending Ice Age coming back? Should I get me a parka while I can?

    ScottW
    **Your memory is fucked.

    I do not, nor will I ever bother with Twitter.

    Cite a credible source to justify whatever it is you are trying to say.

    AOC should certainly cut the mustard.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/aocs-chief-of-staff-admits-the-green-new-deal-is-not-about-climate-change/
    **See if you can locate a more unbalanced news source. I bet you can't.

    National Review is seriously unbalanced:

    Is SMH still suffering TDS? Just wondering if it's curable.

    ScottW

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 5 15:47:59 2023
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 2:20:20 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/5/23 12:48 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 4:07 am, ScottW wrote:
    WTF?

    https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1613724250011242497

    Is the old threat of impending Ice Age coming back? Should I get me a
    parka while I can?

    ScottW

    **Your memory is fucked.

    I do not, nor will I ever bother with Twitter.
    Even an account called "Junk Science"?
    Cite a credible source to justify whatever it is you are trying to say.
    I'm bored enough to click through...

    Cherry picking the last 8 years of surface temperature to claim a
    decline. Troll bait.

    Cherry picking? How many years would it take to be a legit trend
    making all your model assumptions and predictions....suspect?

    ScottW

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Sun Feb 5 15:48:39 2023
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 3:17:01 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 9:20 am, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/5/23 12:48 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 4:07 am, ScottW wrote:
    WTF?

    https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1613724250011242497

    Is the old threat of impending Ice Age coming back? Should I get me
    a parka while I can?

    ScottW

    **Your memory is fucked.

    I do not, nor will I ever bother with Twitter.

    Even an account called "Junk Science"?

    Cite a credible source to justify whatever it is you are trying to say.

    I'm bored enough to click through...

    Cherry picking the last 8 years of surface temperature to claim a
    decline. Troll bait.
    **That's Twitter for you. There is no oversight. Twitter is useless to
    me (and any sane human).

    You may have a point.

    https://twitter.com/IPCC_CH/status/1553029158577528832

    ScottW

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Feb 6 11:32:48 2023
    On 6/02/2023 10:47 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 2:20:20 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/5/23 12:48 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 4:07 am, ScottW wrote:
    WTF?

    https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1613724250011242497

    Is the old threat of impending Ice Age coming back? Should I get me a >>>> parka while I can?

    ScottW

    **Your memory is fucked.

    I do not, nor will I ever bother with Twitter.
    Even an account called "Junk Science"?
    Cite a credible source to justify whatever it is you are trying to say.
    I'm bored enough to click through...

    Cherry picking the last 8 years of surface temperature to claim a
    decline. Troll bait.

    Cherry picking? How many years would it take to be a legit trend
    making all your model assumptions and predictions....suspect?

    ScottW

    ** ~150 years should do it:

    https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature

    https://public.wmo.int/en/media/press-release/eight-warmest-years-record-witness-upsurge-climate-change-impacts

    https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/global/202213





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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Sun Feb 5 19:02:20 2023
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 4:20:59 PM UTC-5, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 7:58 am, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 1:48:36 PM UTC-5, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 4:07 am, ScottW wrote:
    WTF?

    https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1613724250011242497

    Is the old threat of impending Ice Age coming back? Should I get me a parka while I can?

    ScottW
    **Your memory is fucked.

    I do not, nor will I ever bother with Twitter.

    Cite a credible source to justify whatever it is you are trying to say.

    AOC should certainly cut the mustard.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/aocs-chief-of-staff-admits-the-green-new-deal-is-not-about-climate-change/
    **See if you can locate a more unbalanced news source. I bet you can't.

    National Review is seriously unbalanced:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Review#Climate_change
    --


    Its about an actual quote. It had also been reported in the Washington POst.

    The credible source is AOC's chief of staff,
    You are implying either that the quote was inaccurate, or that AOC's COS was lying

    The source is AOC's Chief of staff, you fucking lying idiot.

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Mon Feb 6 15:00:30 2023
    On 6/02/2023 2:02 pm, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 4:20:59 PM UTC-5, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 7:58 am, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 1:48:36 PM UTC-5, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 4:07 am, ScottW wrote:
    WTF?

    https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1613724250011242497

    Is the old threat of impending Ice Age coming back? Should I get me a parka while I can?

    ScottW
    **Your memory is fucked.

    I do not, nor will I ever bother with Twitter.

    Cite a credible source to justify whatever it is you are trying to say. >>>
    AOC should certainly cut the mustard.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/aocs-chief-of-staff-admits-the-green-new-deal-is-not-about-climate-change/
    **See if you can locate a more unbalanced news source. I bet you can't.

    National Review is seriously unbalanced:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Review#Climate_change
    --


    Its about an actual quote. It had also been reported in the Washington POst.

    **OK. Post the link. The Washington Post has a good deal of credibility.


    The credible source is AOC's chief of staff,
    You are implying either that the quote was inaccurate, or that AOC's COS was lying

    The source is AOC's Chief of staff, you fucking lying idiot.

    **That would be: "You lying, fucking idiot."

    Please brush up on your adopted language, you lying, fucking idiot.



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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Sun Feb 5 20:25:30 2023
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 4:32:50 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 10:47 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 2:20:20 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/5/23 12:48 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 4:07 am, ScottW wrote:
    WTF?

    https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1613724250011242497

    Is the old threat of impending Ice Age coming back? Should I get me a >>>> parka while I can?

    ScottW

    **Your memory is fucked.

    I do not, nor will I ever bother with Twitter.
    Even an account called "Junk Science"?
    Cite a credible source to justify whatever it is you are trying to say. >> I'm bored enough to click through...

    Cherry picking the last 8 years of surface temperature to claim a
    decline. Troll bait.

    Cherry picking? How many years would it take to be a legit trend
    making all your model assumptions and predictions....suspect?

    ScottW
    ** ~150 years should do it:

    Then you have no data on any rising temp trends now.

    Sometimes you're really a moron. The whole AGW movement wants your membership revoked.

    ScottW

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Feb 6 15:53:46 2023
    On 6/02/2023 3:25 pm, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 4:32:50 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 10:47 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 2:20:20 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/5/23 12:48 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 4:07 am, ScottW wrote:
    WTF?

    https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1613724250011242497

    Is the old threat of impending Ice Age coming back? Should I get me a >>>>>> parka while I can?

    ScottW

    **Your memory is fucked.

    I do not, nor will I ever bother with Twitter.
    Even an account called "Junk Science"?
    Cite a credible source to justify whatever it is you are trying to say. >>>> I'm bored enough to click through...

    Cherry picking the last 8 years of surface temperature to claim a
    decline. Troll bait.

    Cherry picking? How many years would it take to be a legit trend
    making all your model assumptions and predictions....suspect?

    ScottW
    ** ~150 years should do it:

    Then you have no data on any rising temp trends now.

    **Perhaps you are unable to understand trends:

    https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature

    https://public.wmo.int/en/media/press-release/eight-warmest-years-record-witness-upsurge-climate-change-impacts

    https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/global/202213

    It is clear to any sane person that we have witnessed a rising
    temperature trend over the past 150 years.


    Sometimes you're really a moron. The whole AGW movement wants your membership revoked.

    **A moron is someone who cannot see an obvious rising temperature trend.


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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Feb 6 09:17:54 2023
    On 2/5/23 5:47 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 2:20:20 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/5/23 12:48 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 4:07 am, ScottW wrote:
    WTF?

    https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1613724250011242497

    Is the old threat of impending Ice Age coming back? Should I get me a >>>> parka while I can?

    ScottW

    **Your memory is fucked.

    I do not, nor will I ever bother with Twitter.
    Even an account called "Junk Science"?
    Cite a credible source to justify whatever it is you are trying to say.
    I'm bored enough to click through...

    Cherry picking the last 8 years of surface temperature to claim a
    decline. Troll bait.

    Cherry picking? How many years would it take to be a legit trend
    making all your model assumptions and predictions....suspect?

    How about back to 1970?

    The Staircase of Denial:

    https://twitter.com/RARohde/status/1614991656583041024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5E


    "If it is not literally the warmest year ever, someone will complain
    that global warming has stopped.

    Year-to-year fluctuations are a normal part of the ongoing global
    warming trend. Don't be distracted by the noise."

    Found here:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-noaa-global-cooling-idUSL1N34J26C

    "At least several decades’ worth of data is needed to infer trends in
    global temperatures, climate experts told Reuters, and while short-term fluctuations might lead to several years that are cooler than a peak
    year preceding them, the longer-term trend is still upward.

    ...climate experts from NASA and Berkeley Earth, an organization focused
    on environmental data science (berkeleyearth.org/about/), told Reuters
    that data from short periods of time showing cooling temperatures cannot
    be extrapolated to longer-term trends and do not prove that long-term
    global warming is a hoax. Moreover, they said, the warming effect of
    carbon emissions is cumulative and would not be expected to track with
    yearly fluctuations."

    You remember Berkeley Earth. They're the ones who checked the climate
    science math and were initially funded by Charles Koch and others.

    From "About":

    From 2010-2012, Berkeley Earth systematically addressed the five major concerns that global warming skeptics had identified, and did so in a systematic and objective manner. The first four were potential biases
    from data selection, data adjustment, poor station quality, and the
    urban heat island effect. Our analysis showed that these issues did not
    unduly bias the record. The fifth concern related to the over reliance
    on large and complex global climate models by the Intergovernmental
    Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in the attribution of the recent
    temperature increase to anthropogenic forces. We obtained a long and
    accurate record, spanning 250 years and showed that it could be well-fit
    with a simple model that included a volcanic term and, as an
    anthropogenic proxy, CO2 concentration. We concluded that the record
    could be reproduced by just these two contributions, and that inclusion
    of direct variations in solar intensity did not contribute to the fit.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Mon Feb 6 08:01:48 2023
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:53:47 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 3:25 pm, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 4:32:50 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 10:47 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 2:20:20 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/5/23 12:48 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 4:07 am, ScottW wrote:
    WTF?

    https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1613724250011242497

    Is the old threat of impending Ice Age coming back? Should I get me a >>>>>> parka while I can?

    ScottW

    **Your memory is fucked.

    I do not, nor will I ever bother with Twitter.
    Even an account called "Junk Science"?
    Cite a credible source to justify whatever it is you are trying to say. >>>> I'm bored enough to click through...

    Cherry picking the last 8 years of surface temperature to claim a
    decline. Troll bait.

    Cherry picking? How many years would it take to be a legit trend
    making all your model assumptions and predictions....suspect?

    ScottW
    ** ~150 years should do it:

    Then you have no data on any rising temp trends now.
    **Perhaps you are unable to understand trends: https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature

    No trend pre 1980. GMAFB.

    https://public.wmo.int/en/media/press-release/eight-warmest-years-record-witness-upsurge-climate-change-impacts

    Doesn't even agree with above but still no trend pre 1980.

    https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/global/202213

    Same as the first. Below average until 1940 and no rising trend until 1980.

    We've got another 110 years to confirm a trend.
    Except oops....the last 8 years broke the trendline. Or at least dramatically reset any extrapolation.

    It is clear to any sane person that we have witnessed a rising
    temperature trend over the past 150 years.

    LoL.....You can't even say that including 100 years to get back to "normal" from below average.

    This is why AGW has so much difficulty getting traction among voters. It's got it's own goon squad
    members like you spewing BS.

    ScottW

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 6 08:03:54 2023
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:17:56 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/5/23 5:47 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 2:20:20 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/5/23 12:48 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 4:07 am, ScottW wrote:
    WTF?

    https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1613724250011242497

    Is the old threat of impending Ice Age coming back? Should I get me a >>>> parka while I can?

    ScottW

    **Your memory is fucked.

    I do not, nor will I ever bother with Twitter.
    Even an account called "Junk Science"?
    Cite a credible source to justify whatever it is you are trying to say. >> I'm bored enough to click through...

    Cherry picking the last 8 years of surface temperature to claim a
    decline. Troll bait.

    Cherry picking? How many years would it take to be a legit trend
    making all your model assumptions and predictions....suspect?
    How about back to 1970?

    Does that really help Trevor's 150 years to identify a trend?
    I don't think so.

    ScottW

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 6 09:42:24 2023
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:30:15 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:03:56 AM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:17:56 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:

    I'm bored enough to click through...

    Cherry picking the last 8 years of surface temperature to claim a
    decline. Troll bait.

    Cherry picking? How many years would it take to be a legit trend
    making all your model assumptions and predictions....suspect?
    How about back to 1970?
    Does that really help Trevor's 150 years to identify a trend?
    It helps the point I made. I believe his point was data over the last 150 years

    So let's really look at the data you so grossly misrepresent.

    The early segment is a return to average from below normal.
    Does that count. Then we have an extended period of normal ups and downs. Essentially flat. Not until '80 is there a crear up trend but thats
    too short to call a trend according eggspert Trevor.



    indicate an upward trend even if the last eight are plateaued as explained in the "Staircase of Denial" linked in the tweet I cited.

    And calling that a150 year trend would make any self-respecting stat analyst laugh at you.

    ha ha hah.

    ScottW

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  • From MINe109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Feb 6 09:30:13 2023
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:03:56 AM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:17:56 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:

    I'm bored enough to click through...

    Cherry picking the last 8 years of surface temperature to claim a
    decline. Troll bait.

    Cherry picking? How many years would it take to be a legit trend
    making all your model assumptions and predictions....suspect?
    How about back to 1970?
    Does that really help Trevor's 150 years to identify a trend?

    It helps the point I made. I believe his point was data over the last 150 years indicate an upward trend even if the last eight are plateaued as explained in the "Staircase of Denial" linked in the tweet I cited.

    So you may carry on with "Junk Science" while I prefer Berkeley Earth.

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  • From MINe109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Feb 6 10:37:51 2023
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 11:42:26 AM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:30:15 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:03:56 AM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:17:56 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:

    I'm bored enough to click through...

    Cherry picking the last 8 years of surface temperature to claim a >> decline. Troll bait.

    Cherry picking? How many years would it take to be a legit trend making all your model assumptions and predictions....suspect?
    How about back to 1970?
    Does that really help Trevor's 150 years to identify a trend?
    It helps the point I made. I believe his point was data over the last 150 years
    So let's really look at the data you so grossly misrepresent.

    https://skepticalscience.com/graphics.php?g=47

    "One of the most common misunderstandings amongst climate contrarians is the difference between short-term noise and long-term signal. This animation shows how the same temperature data (green) that is used to determine the long-term global surface air
    warming trend of 0.16°C per decade (red) can be used inappropriately to "cherrypick" short time periods that show a cooling trend simply because the endpoints are carefully chosen and the trend is dominated by short-term noise in the data (blue steps).
    Isn't it strange how six periods of cooling can add up to a clear warming trend over the last 4 decades?"

    The early segment is a return to average from below normal.
    Does that count. Then we have an extended period of normal ups and downs. Essentially flat. Not until '80 is there a crear up trend but thats
    too short to call a trend according eggspert Trevor.

    It's "too short" because you curtailed it.

    indicate an upward trend even if the last eight are plateaued as explained in the "Staircase of Denial" linked in the tweet I cited.
    And calling that a150 year trend would make any self-respecting stat analyst laugh at you.

    ha ha hah.

    Choosing eight years over fifty or one hundred fifty is cherry-picking.



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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Mon Feb 6 14:21:32 2023
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:00:31 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 2:02 pm, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 4:20:59 PM UTC-5, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 7:58 am, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 1:48:36 PM UTC-5, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 6/02/2023 4:07 am, ScottW wrote:
    WTF?

    https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1613724250011242497

    Is the old threat of impending Ice Age coming back? Should I get me a parka while I can?

    ScottW
    **Your memory is fucked.

    I do not, nor will I ever bother with Twitter.

    Cite a credible source to justify whatever it is you are trying to say. >>>
    AOC should certainly cut the mustard.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/aocs-chief-of-staff-admits-the-green-new-deal-is-not-about-climate-change/
    **See if you can locate a more unbalanced news source. I bet you can't.

    National Review is seriously unbalanced:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Review#Climate_change
    --


    Its about an actual quote. It had also been reported in the Washington POst.
    **OK. Post the link. The Washington Post has a good deal of credibility.

    LMFAO.

    ScottW

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 6 14:25:11 2023
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:37:52 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 11:42:26 AM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:30:15 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:03:56 AM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:17:56 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:

    I'm bored enough to click through...

    Cherry picking the last 8 years of surface temperature to claim a >> decline. Troll bait.

    Cherry picking? How many years would it take to be a legit trend making all your model assumptions and predictions....suspect?
    How about back to 1970?
    Does that really help Trevor's 150 years to identify a trend?
    It helps the point I made. I believe his point was data over the last 150 years
    So let's really look at the data you so grossly misrepresent.
    https://skepticalscience.com/graphics.php?g=47

    "One of the most common misunderstandings amongst climate contrarians is the difference between short-term noise and long-term signal. This animation shows how the same temperature data (green) that is used to determine the long-term global surface air
    warming trend of 0.16°C per decade (red) can be used inappropriately to "cherrypick" short time periods that show a cooling trend simply because the endpoints are carefully chosen and the trend is dominated by short-term noise in the data (blue steps).
    Isn't it strange how six periods of cooling can add up to a clear warming trend over the last 4 decades?"
    The early segment is a return to average from below normal.
    Does that count. Then we have an extended period of normal ups and downs. Essentially flat. Not until '80 is there a crear up trend but thats
    too short to call a trend according eggspert Trevor.
    It's "too short" because you curtailed it.

    I curtailed it because the "trend" isn't arbitrary. It's defined by the data.

    indicate an upward trend even if the last eight are plateaued as explained in the "Staircase of Denial" linked in the tweet I cited.
    And calling that a150 year trend would make any self-respecting stat analyst laugh at you.

    ha ha hah.
    Choosing eight years over fifty or one hundred fifty is cherry-picking.

    How about 56 million? Guess what that "trend" is?

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Tue Feb 7 03:35:16 2023
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 11:00:31 PM UTC-5, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 2:02 pm, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 4:20:59 PM UTC-5, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 7:58 am, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 1:48:36 PM UTC-5, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 6/02/2023 4:07 am, ScottW wrote:
    WTF?

    https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1613724250011242497

    Is the old threat of impending Ice Age coming back? Should I get me a parka while I can?

    ScottW
    **Your memory is fucked.

    I do not, nor will I ever bother with Twitter.

    Cite a credible source to justify whatever it is you are trying to say. >>>
    AOC should certainly cut the mustard.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/aocs-chief-of-staff-admits-the-green-new-deal-is-not-about-climate-change/
    **See if you can locate a more unbalanced news source. I bet you can't.

    National Review is seriously unbalanced:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Review#Climate_change
    --


    Its about an actual quote. It had also been reported in the Washington POst.
    **OK. Post the link. The Washington Post has a good deal of credibility.


    If you question the veracity of the medium, you are arguing that the quote was fabricated,

    and AFA the Washington Post, it has a paywall.




    The credible source is AOC's chief of staff,
    You are implying either that the quote was inaccurate, or that AOC's COS was lying

    The source is AOC's Chief of staff, you fucking lying idiot.
    **That would be: "You lying, fucking idiot."

    Please brush up on your adopted language, you lying, fucking idiot.
    --

    when you have no content to argue, you resort to arguing about language.

    Nevertheless, I will instruct you about sources.
    Take Watergate, for instance. The source of the information breaking the conspiracy was not
    The washington Post, that was the medium. Nor was it Woodward and Bernstein, they were the reporters.
    Th source was Deep Throat, identified later as Mark Felt.
    The "source" is the fountainhead, where the information originates from.
    The media is not the source.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Feb 7 09:35:25 2023
    On 2/6/23 4:25 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:37:52 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 11:42:26 AM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:30:15 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:03:56 AM UTC-6, ScottW
    wrote:
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:17:56 AM UTC-8, MINe109
    wrote:

    I'm bored enough to click through...

    Cherry picking the last 8 years of surface temperature
    to claim a decline. Troll bait.

    Cherry picking? How many years would it take to be a
    legit trend making all your model assumptions and
    predictions....suspect?
    How about back to 1970?
    Does that really help Trevor's 150 years to identify a
    trend?
    It helps the point I made. I believe his point was data over
    the last 150 years
    So let's really look at the data you so grossly misrepresent.
    https://skepticalscience.com/graphics.php?g=47

    "One of the most common misunderstandings amongst climate
    contrarians is the difference between short-term noise and
    long-term signal. This animation shows how the same temperature
    data (green) that is used to determine the long-term global surface
    air warming trend of 0.16°C per decade (red) can be used
    inappropriately to "cherrypick" short time periods that show a
    cooling trend simply because the endpoints are carefully chosen and
    the trend is dominated by short-term noise in the data (blue
    steps). Isn't it strange how six periods of cooling can add up to a
    clear warming trend over the last 4 decades?"
    The early segment is a return to average from below normal. Does
    that count. Then we have an extended period of normal ups and
    downs. Essentially flat. Not until '80 is there a crear up trend
    but thats too short to call a trend according eggspert Trevor.
    It's "too short" because you curtailed it.

    I curtailed it because the "trend" isn't arbitrary. It's defined by
    the data.

    Shows temps rising over time with short plateaus. I don't know why you
    think the rise starts only in 1980. But, accepting that start, more skepticalscience:

    As Figure 1 shows, over the last 37 years one can identify overlapping
    short windows of time when climate "skeptics" could have argued (and
    often did, i.e. here and here and here) that global warming had stopped.
    And yet over the entire period question containing these six cooling
    trends, the underlying trend is one of rapid global warming (0.27°C per decade, according to the new Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature [BEST] dataset). And while the global warming trend spans many decades, the
    longest cooling trend over this period is 10 years, which proves that
    each was caused by short-term noise dampening the long-term trend.

    indicate an upward trend even if the last eight are plateaued
    as explained in the "Staircase of Denial" linked in the tweet I
    cited.
    And calling that a150 year trend would make any self-respecting
    stat analyst laugh at you.

    ha ha hah.
    Choosing eight years over fifty or one hundred fifty is
    cherry-picking.

    How about 56 million? Guess what that "trend" is?

    Seems too long.

    https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2011JD016263

    "Because of the pronounced effect of interannual noise on decadal
    trends, a multi-model ensemble of anthropogenically-forced simulations
    displays many 10-year periods with little warming. A single decade of observational TLT data is therefore inadequate for identifying a slowly evolving anthropogenic warming signal. Our results show that
    temperature records of at least 17 years in length are required for
    identifying human effects on global-mean tropospheric temperature."

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 7 08:48:20 2023
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 7:35:28 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/6/23 4:25 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:37:52 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 11:42:26 AM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:30:15 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:03:56 AM UTC-6, ScottW
    wrote:
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:17:56 AM UTC-8, MINe109
    wrote:

    I'm bored enough to click through...

    Cherry picking the last 8 years of surface temperature
    to claim a decline. Troll bait.

    Cherry picking? How many years would it take to be a
    legit trend making all your model assumptions and
    predictions....suspect?
    How about back to 1970?
    Does that really help Trevor's 150 years to identify a
    trend?
    It helps the point I made. I believe his point was data over
    the last 150 years
    So let's really look at the data you so grossly misrepresent.
    https://skepticalscience.com/graphics.php?g=47

    "One of the most common misunderstandings amongst climate
    contrarians is the difference between short-term noise and
    long-term signal. This animation shows how the same temperature
    data (green) that is used to determine the long-term global surface
    air warming trend of 0.16°C per decade (red) can be used
    inappropriately to "cherrypick" short time periods that show a
    cooling trend simply because the endpoints are carefully chosen and
    the trend is dominated by short-term noise in the data (blue
    steps). Isn't it strange how six periods of cooling can add up to a
    clear warming trend over the last 4 decades?"
    The early segment is a return to average from below normal. Does
    that count. Then we have an extended period of normal ups and
    downs. Essentially flat. Not until '80 is there a crear up trend
    but thats too short to call a trend according eggspert Trevor.
    It's "too short" because you curtailed it.

    I curtailed it because the "trend" isn't arbitrary. It's defined by
    the data.
    Shows temps rising over time with short plateaus. I don't know why you
    think the rise starts only in 1980. But, accepting that start, more skepticalscience:

    As Figure 1 shows, over the last 37 years

    It's a horsehoe....you're proving my point.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Feb 7 14:22:46 2023
    On 2/7/23 10:48 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 7:35:28 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/6/23 4:25 PM, ScottW wrote:

    I curtailed it because the "trend" isn't arbitrary. It's defined by
    the data.
    Shows temps rising over time with short plateaus. I don't know why you
    think the rise starts only in 1980. But, accepting that start, more
    skepticalscience:

    As Figure 1 shows, over the last 37 years

    It's a horsehoe....you're proving my point.

    No, it's an escalator. You're either funning us or in the wrong thread.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Tue Feb 7 16:01:44 2023
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 11:00:31 PM UTC-5, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 2:02 pm, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 4:20:59 PM UTC-5, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 6/02/2023 7:58 am, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 1:48:36 PM UTC-5, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 6/02/2023 4:07 am, ScottW wrote:
    WTF?

    https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1613724250011242497

    Is the old threat of impending Ice Age coming back? Should I get me a parka while I can?

    ScottW
    **Your memory is fucked.

    I do not, nor will I ever bother with Twitter.

    Cite a credible source to justify whatever it is you are trying to say. >>>
    AOC should certainly cut the mustard.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/aocs-chief-of-staff-admits-the-green-new-deal-is-not-about-climate-change/
    **See if you can locate a more unbalanced news source. I bet you can't.

    National Review is seriously unbalanced:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Review#Climate_change
    --


    Its about an actual quote. It had also been reported in the Washington POst.
    **OK. Post the link. The Washington Post has a good deal of credibility.

    The credible source is AOC's chief of staff,
    You are implying either that the quote was inaccurate, or that AOC's COS was lying

    The source is AOC's Chief of staff, you fucking lying idiot.
    **That would be: "You lying, fucking idiot."

    Please brush up on your adopted language, you lying, fucking idiot.
    --
    This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com


    If the National Review told you that the sun rose this morning, you would not believe it.
    If The Sydney morning Herald told you that the sun forgot to show up, you would believe that.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 16 16:46:52 2023
    Are your hormones suppressed?

    You might have a new career opportunity.

    https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/06/16/australia-ruins-womens-sports-will-allow-men-to-compete-n762650

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Jun 16 18:30:42 2023
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 7:46:53 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    Are your hormones suppressed?

    You might have a new career opportunity.

    https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/06/16/australia-ruins-womens-sports-will-allow-men-to-compete-n762650

    ScottW


    I still perceive a strong amount of male toxicity in Trevor.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Fri Jun 16 18:43:26 2023
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 6:30:43 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 7:46:53 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    Are your hormones suppressed?

    You might have a new career opportunity.

    https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/06/16/australia-ruins-womens-sports-will-allow-men-to-compete-n762650

    ScottW
    I still perceive a strong amount of male toxicity in Trevor.

    That form of male toxicity is called....wimp.

    ScottW

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Jun 17 12:29:30 2023
    On 17/06/2023 9:46 am, ScottW wrote:
    Are your hormones suppressed?

    You might have a new career opportunity.

    https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/06/16/australia-ruins-womens-sports-will-allow-men-to-compete-n762650

    ScottW

    **Here's the thing about Australia:

    We don't give a shit about unimportant issues that bother right wing
    nut-jobs. Australians are a very inclusive bunch. With a few right wing
    nut-job exceptions though.

    We just don't care.
    * There are thousands of people dying in the Putin/Trump war in Ukraine.
    There are people being killed in Somalia. And, if that criminal, shit-for-brains, Trump is returned to power, then the Ukrainians can say goodbye to their lives.
    * People are being locked up and tortured in China for the their religion/ethnicity.
    * People are being tortured, locked up and killed in Myanmar.
    * There is now more than 108 million forcibly displaced humans on this
    planet and 35 million refugees. A figure that is set to rise significantly.
    * 10,000 Americans are being shot to death each and every year, because
    gutless Republican politicians refuse to address the insane and
    inadequate gun laws in the US.

    And, lastly: The planet is heading into a global warming crisis that
    will destroy many parts and peoples of this planet. It will exacerbate
    the present refugee crisis that affects everyone.

    And you bang on about transgender people. Sheesh!

    FUCK OFF, you fucking moron. Get a life and grow up. Look at the world
    around you. I genuinely feel that if you were standing in front of me, I
    would be inclined to smash your head against a nearby wall until you
    came to your senses. And I am not a violent person. I've been in one
    fist fight in my entire life. I was 11 years old. But, let me tell you:
    You are a phenomenally ignorant cunt of a human.

    Focus on what really matters. You are focussed in trivialities.

    Just fuck off. You disgust me.


    --
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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Fri Jun 16 20:27:33 2023
    Trevor Wilson wrote:
    And you bang on about transgender people. Sheesh!

    FUCK OFF, you fucking moron. Get a life and grow up. Look at the world
    around you. I genuinely feel that if you were standing in front of me, I would be inclined to smash your head against a nearby wall until you
    came to your senses. And I am not a violent person. I've been in one
    fist fight in my entire life. I was 11 years old. But, let me tell you:
    You are a phenomenally ignorant cunt of a human.

    Focus on what really matters. You are focussed in trivialities.

    Just fuck off. You disgust me.

    This is how you made Super Shitty Shmoo feel with your outburst:

    https://tinyurl.com/y6a7d3cs

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Fri Jun 16 22:23:37 2023
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 10:29:33 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 17/06/2023 9:46 am, ScottW wrote:
    Are your hormones suppressed?

    You might have a new career opportunity.

    https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/06/16/australia-ruins-womens-sports-will-allow-men-to-compete-n762650

    ScottW
    **Here's the thing about Australia:

    We don't give a shit about unimportant issues that bother right wing nut-jobs. Australians are a very inclusive bunch. With a few right wing nut-job exceptions though.

    We just don't care.
    * There are thousands of people dying in the Putin/Trump war in Ukraine. There are people being killed in Somalia. And, if that criminal, shit-for-brains, Trump is returned to power, then the Ukrainians can say goodbye to their lives.
    * People are being locked up and tortured in China for the their religion/ethnicity.
    * People are being tortured, locked up and killed in Myanmar.
    * There is now more than 108 million forcibly displaced humans on this planet and 35 million refugees. A figure that is set to rise significantly. * 10,000 Americans are being shot to death each and every year, because gutless Republican politicians refuse to address the insane and
    inadequate gun laws in the US.

    And, lastly: The planet is heading into a global warming crisis that
    will destroy many parts and peoples of this planet. It will exacerbate
    the present refugee crisis that affects everyone.

    And you bang on about transgender people. Sheesh!

    FUCK OFF, you fucking moron. Get a life and grow up. Look at the world around you. I genuinely feel that if you were standing in front of me, I would be inclined to smash your head against a nearby wall until you
    came to your senses. And I am not a violent person. I've been in one
    fist fight in my entire life. I was 11 years old. But, let me tell you:
    You are a phenomenally ignorant cunt of a human.

    Focus on what really matters. You are focussed in trivialities.

    Just fuck off. You disgust me.


    What disgusts me are surgeries to remove healthy sexual organs from children, rendering them sterile, or unable to breast feed babies. What disgusts me is the idea that
    children should be allowed to make such life altering decisions at such an early age,
    without the maturity or knowledge necessary to make a rational informed consent

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sat Jun 17 18:10:01 2023
    On 17/06/2023 3:23 pm, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 10:29:33 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 17/06/2023 9:46 am, ScottW wrote:
    Are your hormones suppressed?

    You might have a new career opportunity.

    https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/06/16/australia-ruins-womens-sports-will-allow-men-to-compete-n762650

    ScottW
    **Here's the thing about Australia:

    We don't give a shit about unimportant issues that bother right wing
    nut-jobs. Australians are a very inclusive bunch. With a few right wing
    nut-job exceptions though.

    We just don't care.
    * There are thousands of people dying in the Putin/Trump war in Ukraine.
    There are people being killed in Somalia. And, if that criminal,
    shit-for-brains, Trump is returned to power, then the Ukrainians can say
    goodbye to their lives.
    * People are being locked up and tortured in China for the their
    religion/ethnicity.
    * People are being tortured, locked up and killed in Myanmar.
    * There is now more than 108 million forcibly displaced humans on this
    planet and 35 million refugees. A figure that is set to rise significantly. >> * 10,000 Americans are being shot to death each and every year, because
    gutless Republican politicians refuse to address the insane and
    inadequate gun laws in the US.

    And, lastly: The planet is heading into a global warming crisis that
    will destroy many parts and peoples of this planet. It will exacerbate
    the present refugee crisis that affects everyone.

    And you bang on about transgender people. Sheesh!

    FUCK OFF, you fucking moron. Get a life and grow up. Look at the world
    around you. I genuinely feel that if you were standing in front of me, I
    would be inclined to smash your head against a nearby wall until you
    came to your senses. And I am not a violent person. I've been in one
    fist fight in my entire life. I was 11 years old. But, let me tell you:
    You are a phenomenally ignorant cunt of a human.

    Focus on what really matters. You are focussed in trivialities.

    Just fuck off. You disgust me.


    What disgusts me are surgeries to remove healthy sexual organs from children, rendering them sterile, or unable to breast feed babies. What disgusts me is the idea that
    children should be allowed to make such life altering decisions at such an early age,
    without the maturity or knowledge necessary to make a rational informed consent

    **So, all the other things, including the 10,000 Americans shot to death
    each and every year (plus as many as 10 times that figure, who are
    hospitalised with severe gunshot wounds) doesn't bother you?

    You Republican slaves focus on such trivial matters.

    Wake up and smell the coffee for fuck's sake.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Sat Jun 17 08:42:49 2023
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 4:10:03 AM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 17/06/2023 3:23 pm, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 10:29:33 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 17/06/2023 9:46 am, ScottW wrote:
    Are your hormones suppressed?

    You might have a new career opportunity.

    https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/06/16/australia-ruins-womens-sports-will-allow-men-to-compete-n762650

    ScottW
    **Here's the thing about Australia:

    We don't give a shit about unimportant issues that bother right wing
    nut-jobs. Australians are a very inclusive bunch. With a few right wing >> nut-job exceptions though.

    We just don't care.
    * There are thousands of people dying in the Putin/Trump war in Ukraine. >> There are people being killed in Somalia. And, if that criminal,
    shit-for-brains, Trump is returned to power, then the Ukrainians can say >> goodbye to their lives.
    * People are being locked up and tortured in China for the their
    religion/ethnicity.
    * People are being tortured, locked up and killed in Myanmar.
    * There is now more than 108 million forcibly displaced humans on this
    planet and 35 million refugees. A figure that is set to rise significantly.
    * 10,000 Americans are being shot to death each and every year, because >> gutless Republican politicians refuse to address the insane and
    inadequate gun laws in the US.

    And, lastly: The planet is heading into a global warming crisis that
    will destroy many parts and peoples of this planet. It will exacerbate
    the present refugee crisis that affects everyone.

    And you bang on about transgender people. Sheesh!

    FUCK OFF, you fucking moron. Get a life and grow up. Look at the world
    around you. I genuinely feel that if you were standing in front of me, I >> would be inclined to smash your head against a nearby wall until you
    came to your senses. And I am not a violent person. I've been in one
    fist fight in my entire life. I was 11 years old. But, let me tell you: >> You are a phenomenally ignorant cunt of a human.

    Focus on what really matters. You are focussed in trivialities.

    Just fuck off. You disgust me.


    What disgusts me are surgeries to remove healthy sexual organs from children,
    rendering them sterile, or unable to breast feed babies. What disgusts me is the idea that
    children should be allowed to make such life altering decisions at such an early age,
    without the maturity or knowledge necessary to make a rational informed consent
    **So, all the other things, including the 10,000 Americans shot to death each and every year (plus as many as 10 times that figure, who are hospitalised with severe gunshot wounds) doesn't bother you?

    You Republican slaves focus on such trivial matters.

    Wake up and smell the coffee for fuck's sake.
    --


    Yes, it bothers me. That is why I advocate for stiff sentences for using guns in felonies, and for
    stiff sentences for illegal carrying of firearms by convicted felons. And i oppose decriminalization
    of many felonies into misdemeanors. A convicted felon may not possess a gun, but a
    on a misdemeanor conviction, one can. The trick is properly classifying and differentiating felonies from misdemeanors.

    And protecting children from mutilation is NOT a trivial matter.

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 17 09:43:40 2023
    The needle is stuck in the twisty groove.:

    And protecting children from mutilation is NOT a trivial matter.

    How do you decide which fantasies are trivial and which are momentous?

    (Note to all and sundry: There has never been a "mutilation" of the sort
    that the idiot Shmoo is fixated on. There have been actual genital mutilations of little girls, but never in the name of gender reassignment.)

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sat Jun 17 14:34:10 2023
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 8:42:50 AM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 4:10:03 AM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 17/06/2023 3:23 pm, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 10:29:33 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 17/06/2023 9:46 am, ScottW wrote:
    Are your hormones suppressed?

    You might have a new career opportunity.

    https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/06/16/australia-ruins-womens-sports-will-allow-men-to-compete-n762650

    ScottW
    **Here's the thing about Australia:

    We don't give a shit about unimportant issues that bother right wing
    nut-jobs. Australians are a very inclusive bunch. With a few right wing >> nut-job exceptions though.

    We just don't care.
    * There are thousands of people dying in the Putin/Trump war in Ukraine.
    There are people being killed in Somalia. And, if that criminal,
    shit-for-brains, Trump is returned to power, then the Ukrainians can say
    goodbye to their lives.
    * People are being locked up and tortured in China for the their
    religion/ethnicity.
    * People are being tortured, locked up and killed in Myanmar.
    * There is now more than 108 million forcibly displaced humans on this >> planet and 35 million refugees. A figure that is set to rise significantly.
    * 10,000 Americans are being shot to death each and every year, because >> gutless Republican politicians refuse to address the insane and
    inadequate gun laws in the US.

    And, lastly: The planet is heading into a global warming crisis that
    will destroy many parts and peoples of this planet. It will exacerbate >> the present refugee crisis that affects everyone.

    And you bang on about transgender people. Sheesh!

    FUCK OFF, you fucking moron. Get a life and grow up. Look at the world >> around you. I genuinely feel that if you were standing in front of me, I
    would be inclined to smash your head against a nearby wall until you
    came to your senses. And I am not a violent person. I've been in one
    fist fight in my entire life. I was 11 years old. But, let me tell you: >> You are a phenomenally ignorant cunt of a human.

    Focus on what really matters. You are focussed in trivialities.

    Just fuck off. You disgust me.


    What disgusts me are surgeries to remove healthy sexual organs from children,
    rendering them sterile, or unable to breast feed babies. What disgusts me is the idea that
    children should be allowed to make such life altering decisions at such an early age,
    without the maturity or knowledge necessary to make a rational informed consent
    **So, all the other things, including the 10,000 Americans shot to death each and every year (plus as many as 10 times that figure, who are hospitalised with severe gunshot wounds) doesn't bother you?

    You Republican slaves focus on such trivial matters.

    Wake up and smell the coffee for fuck's sake.
    --

    Yes, it bothers me. That is why I advocate for stiff sentences for using guns in felonies, and for
    stiff sentences for illegal carrying of firearms by convicted felons. And i oppose decriminalization
    of many felonies into misdemeanors. A convicted felon may not possess a gun, but a
    on a misdemeanor conviction, one can. The trick is properly classifying and differentiating felonies from misdemeanors.

    And protecting children from mutilation is NOT a trivial matter.

    Trevor won't be responding....he blew his gasket and will be sedated for the next 3 weeks....again.

    ScottW

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Sat Jun 17 14:29:17 2023
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 7:29:33 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 17/06/2023 9:46 am, ScottW wrote:
    Are your hormones suppressed?

    You might have a new career opportunity.

    https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/06/16/australia-ruins-womens-sports-will-allow-men-to-compete-n762650

    ScottW
    **Here's the thing about Australia:

    We don't give a shit about unimportant issues that bother right wing nut-jobs. Australians are a very inclusive bunch. With a few right wing nut-job exceptions though.

    We just don't care if our women get a beat down by a transman.

    Note the edit for truth, justice, and the protection of women's sports.


    FUCK OFF, you fucking moron. Get a life and grow up. Look at the world around you. I genuinely feel that if you were standing in front of me, I would be inclined to smash your head against a nearby wall until you
    came to your senses. And I am not a violent person. I've been in one
    fist fight in my entire life. I was 11 years old. But, let me tell you:
    You are a phenomenally ignorant cunt of a human.

    and with that, I will sleep well tonight assured I'm on the right track.

    ScottW

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Jun 18 08:11:02 2023
    On 18/06/2023 7:29 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 7:29:33 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 17/06/2023 9:46 am, ScottW wrote:
    Are your hormones suppressed?

    You might have a new career opportunity.

    https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/06/16/australia-ruins-womens-sports-will-allow-men-to-compete-n762650

    ScottW
    **Here's the thing about Australia:

    We don't give a shit about unimportant issues that bother right wing
    nut-jobs. Australians are a very inclusive bunch. With a few right wing
    nut-job exceptions though.

    We just don't care if our women get a beat down by a transman.

    Note the edit for truth, justice, and the protection of women's sports.

    **I note your continued obsession with trivialities and your continued ignorance of important matters.



    FUCK OFF, you fucking moron. Get a life and grow up. Look at the world
    around you. I genuinely feel that if you were standing in front of me, I
    would be inclined to smash your head against a nearby wall until you
    came to your senses. And I am not a violent person. I've been in one
    fist fight in my entire life. I was 11 years old. But, let me tell you:
    You are a phenomenally ignorant cunt of a human.

    and with that, I will sleep well tonight assured I'm on the right track.

    ScottW

    **You fucking moron. You truly disgust me. Not even the murder of 10,000 Americans, via gunshot, each and every year bothers you. You are so monumentally ignorant of what really matters that it beggars belief.

    Face it: It is the Republicans that have ensured the easy availability
    of firearms in the US today. The Republicans are well and truly in the
    thrall of the firearms and ammunition industries, via the NRA and they
    have no interest, nor care, about the 10,000 murdered Americans each year.

    A vote for the Republicans will ensure that the horrendous death rate
    will continue.

    You are a disgusting human being.


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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sun Jun 18 08:15:40 2023
    On 18/06/2023 1:42 am, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 4:10:03 AM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 17/06/2023 3:23 pm, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 10:29:33 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 17/06/2023 9:46 am, ScottW wrote:
    Are your hormones suppressed?

    You might have a new career opportunity.

    https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/06/16/australia-ruins-womens-sports-will-allow-men-to-compete-n762650

    ScottW
    **Here's the thing about Australia:

    We don't give a shit about unimportant issues that bother right wing
    nut-jobs. Australians are a very inclusive bunch. With a few right wing >>>> nut-job exceptions though.

    We just don't care.
    * There are thousands of people dying in the Putin/Trump war in Ukraine. >>>> There are people being killed in Somalia. And, if that criminal,
    shit-for-brains, Trump is returned to power, then the Ukrainians can say >>>> goodbye to their lives.
    * People are being locked up and tortured in China for the their
    religion/ethnicity.
    * People are being tortured, locked up and killed in Myanmar.
    * There is now more than 108 million forcibly displaced humans on this >>>> planet and 35 million refugees. A figure that is set to rise significantly.
    * 10,000 Americans are being shot to death each and every year, because >>>> gutless Republican politicians refuse to address the insane and
    inadequate gun laws in the US.

    And, lastly: The planet is heading into a global warming crisis that
    will destroy many parts and peoples of this planet. It will exacerbate >>>> the present refugee crisis that affects everyone.

    And you bang on about transgender people. Sheesh!

    FUCK OFF, you fucking moron. Get a life and grow up. Look at the world >>>> around you. I genuinely feel that if you were standing in front of me, I >>>> would be inclined to smash your head against a nearby wall until you
    came to your senses. And I am not a violent person. I've been in one
    fist fight in my entire life. I was 11 years old. But, let me tell you: >>>> You are a phenomenally ignorant cunt of a human.

    Focus on what really matters. You are focussed in trivialities.

    Just fuck off. You disgust me.


    What disgusts me are surgeries to remove healthy sexual organs from children,
    rendering them sterile, or unable to breast feed babies. What disgusts me is the idea that
    children should be allowed to make such life altering decisions at such an early age,
    without the maturity or knowledge necessary to make a rational informed consent
    **So, all the other things, including the 10,000 Americans shot to death
    each and every year (plus as many as 10 times that figure, who are
    hospitalised with severe gunshot wounds) doesn't bother you?

    You Republican slaves focus on such trivial matters.

    Wake up and smell the coffee for fuck's sake.
    --


    Yes, it bothers me.

    **Then why would you vote Republican? It is the Republicans that fight
    tooth and nail against good, sensible, strong and cohesive gun control
    laws.

    It doesn't bother you one bit. You are a liar and a hypocrite. If you
    really cared, then you would vote for politicians who seek to end this
    insane carnage.


    That is why I advocate for stiff sentences for using guns in
    felonies, and for
    stiff sentences for illegal carrying of firearms by convicted felons. And i oppose decriminalization
    of many felonies into misdemeanors. A convicted felon may not possess a gun, but a
    on a misdemeanor conviction, one can. The trick is properly classifying and differentiating felonies from misdemeanors.

    And protecting children from mutilation is NOT a trivial matter.

    **Mutilating children is a criminal offence. The laws are already in
    place. Now, why don't you vote for the people who seek to reduce the
    insane carnage caused by the easy availability of firearms?

    Hint: That means NOT voting for Republicans.

    A vote for Republicans means you tacitly approve of the slaughter of
    your fellow Americans.


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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Sat Jun 17 15:23:58 2023
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:11:04 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 18/06/2023 7:29 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 7:29:33 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 17/06/2023 9:46 am, ScottW wrote:
    Are your hormones suppressed?

    You might have a new career opportunity.

    https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/06/16/australia-ruins-womens-sports-will-allow-men-to-compete-n762650

    ScottW
    **Here's the thing about Australia:

    We don't give a shit about unimportant issues that bother right wing
    nut-jobs. Australians are a very inclusive bunch. With a few right wing >> nut-job exceptions though.

    We just don't care if our women get a beat down by a transman.

    Note the edit for truth, justice, and the protection of women's sports.
    **I note your continued obsession with trivialities and your continued ignorance of important matters.

    It's not trivial to the victims. You are.

    ScottW

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Sat Jun 17 15:25:43 2023
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:15:42 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 18/06/2023 1:42 am, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 4:10:03 AM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 17/06/2023 3:23 pm, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 10:29:33 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 17/06/2023 9:46 am, ScottW wrote:
    Are your hormones suppressed?

    You might have a new career opportunity.

    https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/06/16/australia-ruins-womens-sports-will-allow-men-to-compete-n762650

    ScottW
    **Here's the thing about Australia:

    We don't give a shit about unimportant issues that bother right wing >>>> nut-jobs. Australians are a very inclusive bunch. With a few right wing >>>> nut-job exceptions though.

    We just don't care.
    * There are thousands of people dying in the Putin/Trump war in Ukraine.
    There are people being killed in Somalia. And, if that criminal,
    shit-for-brains, Trump is returned to power, then the Ukrainians can say
    goodbye to their lives.
    * People are being locked up and tortured in China for the their
    religion/ethnicity.
    * People are being tortured, locked up and killed in Myanmar.
    * There is now more than 108 million forcibly displaced humans on this >>>> planet and 35 million refugees. A figure that is set to rise significantly.
    * 10,000 Americans are being shot to death each and every year, because >>>> gutless Republican politicians refuse to address the insane and
    inadequate gun laws in the US.

    And, lastly: The planet is heading into a global warming crisis that >>>> will destroy many parts and peoples of this planet. It will exacerbate >>>> the present refugee crisis that affects everyone.

    And you bang on about transgender people. Sheesh!

    FUCK OFF, you fucking moron. Get a life and grow up. Look at the world >>>> around you. I genuinely feel that if you were standing in front of me, I
    would be inclined to smash your head against a nearby wall until you >>>> came to your senses. And I am not a violent person. I've been in one >>>> fist fight in my entire life. I was 11 years old. But, let me tell you: >>>> You are a phenomenally ignorant cunt of a human.

    Focus on what really matters. You are focussed in trivialities.

    Just fuck off. You disgust me.


    What disgusts me are surgeries to remove healthy sexual organs from children,
    rendering them sterile, or unable to breast feed babies. What disgusts me is the idea that
    children should be allowed to make such life altering decisions at such an early age,
    without the maturity or knowledge necessary to make a rational informed consent
    **So, all the other things, including the 10,000 Americans shot to death >> each and every year (plus as many as 10 times that figure, who are
    hospitalised with severe gunshot wounds) doesn't bother you?

    You Republican slaves focus on such trivial matters.

    Wake up and smell the coffee for fuck's sake.
    --


    Yes, it bothers me.
    **Then why would you vote Republican? It is the Republicans that fight
    tooth and nail against good, sensible, strong and cohesive gun control
    laws.

    and I remain pro constitution.

    and as I see law and order in decline around the country....I want the option to defend myself
    and not be reliant on gov't that is failing.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 17 15:32:41 2023

    Yes, it bothers me.
    **Then why would you vote Republican? It is the Republicans that fight
    tooth and nail against good, sensible, strong and cohesive gun control
    laws.


    Dems elect soft on crime Soros backed prosecutors who refuse to enforce criminal laws.
    Dems decriminalize behavior, reduce felonies to misdemeanors.
    Dems do not enforce gun laws already on the books.
    Dems defund police departments.
    Dems demoralize police departments with all of the above, plus advocate
    limiting immunity.


    You say Reps oppose gun control laws; I say Dems oppose criminal control laws. Law enforcement against criminals will accomplish much better results. Society can do something about that. worrying about stocks and magazines, and long guns won't have much effect. The problem is criminals using handguns.
    Good luck collecting the ones on the street and trying to ban handguns. Not gonna happen.
    Locking up more violent criminals with longer sentences, that's the easy solution,




    It doesn't bother you one bit. You are a liar and a hypocrite. If you
    really cared, then you would vote for politicians who seek to end this
    insane carnage.


    I do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I vote for tough on crime Republicans running against soft on crime democrats.s




    And protecting children from mutilation is NOT a trivial matter.
    **Mutilating children is a criminal offence. The laws are already in
    place.

    Gender based mutilations are NOT criminal, except just recently, in
    only a few states,


    Now, why don't you vote for the people who seek to reduce the
    insane carnage caused by the easy availability of firearms?

    Hint: That means NOT voting for Republicans.

    Wrong. democrats are the ones aiding and abetting violent crime.





    A vote for Republicans means you tacitly approve of the slaughter of
    your fellow Americans.

    Democrats let violet criminals off the hook, particularly if they are illegal aliens.

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Jun 18 08:39:12 2023
    On 18/06/2023 8:23 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:11:04 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 18/06/2023 7:29 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 7:29:33 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 17/06/2023 9:46 am, ScottW wrote:
    Are your hormones suppressed?

    You might have a new career opportunity.

    https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/06/16/australia-ruins-womens-sports-will-allow-men-to-compete-n762650

    ScottW
    **Here's the thing about Australia:

    We don't give a shit about unimportant issues that bother right wing
    nut-jobs. Australians are a very inclusive bunch. With a few right wing >>>> nut-job exceptions though.

    We just don't care if our women get a beat down by a transman.

    Note the edit for truth, justice, and the protection of women's sports.
    **I note your continued obsession with trivialities and your continued
    ignorance of important matters.

    It's not trivial to the victims.

    ScottW

    **I agree. The murder of 10,000 Americans and the injury of many more,
    from gunshot is not trivial for victims and their families.

    Moreover (and this point will make your Republican, black, cold,
    uncaring heart take note) is the cost to every single American taxpayer:

    https://giffords.org/blog/2020/01/every-murder-costs-taxpayers-millions-of-dollars-and-thats-on-top-of-the-tragic-human-cost-blog/

    That means the US taxpayer is forking out TWENTY FIVE TRILLION DOLLARS
    each and every year. That ain't trivial. That's how much the Republicans
    are costing America, by their rabid support of the NRA.

    That's how much idiots like you are costing the US.

    Keep your head in the sand. It's working well for you.


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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Jun 17 17:52:14 2023
    On 6/17/23 5:25 PM, ScottW wrote:
    I see law and order in decline around the country

    Crime's down, dude.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 17 16:08:28 2023
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 6:52:16 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/17/23 5:25 PM, ScottW wrote:
    I see law and order in decline around the country
    Crime's down, dude.

    by definition.
    Thats what happens when you decriminalize everything, there is no more crime! That's what happens when you defund police, you have horrible police response, so citizens lose faith and don't bother to report it.
    That's what happens when don't prosecute criminals. People lose faith\in the system and don't report
    bad actors.

    where crime is still prosecuted, those communities are safe,
    Where crime is not enforced, like in Portland,
    San Francisco and NYC, crime is rampant.

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Jun 18 09:14:03 2023
    On 18/06/2023 8:25 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:15:42 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 18/06/2023 1:42 am, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 4:10:03 AM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 17/06/2023 3:23 pm, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 10:29:33 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 17/06/2023 9:46 am, ScottW wrote:
    Are your hormones suppressed?

    You might have a new career opportunity.

    https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/06/16/australia-ruins-womens-sports-will-allow-men-to-compete-n762650

    ScottW
    **Here's the thing about Australia:

    We don't give a shit about unimportant issues that bother right wing >>>>>> nut-jobs. Australians are a very inclusive bunch. With a few right wing >>>>>> nut-job exceptions though.

    We just don't care.
    * There are thousands of people dying in the Putin/Trump war in Ukraine. >>>>>> There are people being killed in Somalia. And, if that criminal,
    shit-for-brains, Trump is returned to power, then the Ukrainians can say >>>>>> goodbye to their lives.
    * People are being locked up and tortured in China for the their
    religion/ethnicity.
    * People are being tortured, locked up and killed in Myanmar.
    * There is now more than 108 million forcibly displaced humans on this >>>>>> planet and 35 million refugees. A figure that is set to rise significantly.
    * 10,000 Americans are being shot to death each and every year, because >>>>>> gutless Republican politicians refuse to address the insane and
    inadequate gun laws in the US.

    And, lastly: The planet is heading into a global warming crisis that >>>>>> will destroy many parts and peoples of this planet. It will exacerbate >>>>>> the present refugee crisis that affects everyone.

    And you bang on about transgender people. Sheesh!

    FUCK OFF, you fucking moron. Get a life and grow up. Look at the world >>>>>> around you. I genuinely feel that if you were standing in front of me, I >>>>>> would be inclined to smash your head against a nearby wall until you >>>>>> came to your senses. And I am not a violent person. I've been in one >>>>>> fist fight in my entire life. I was 11 years old. But, let me tell you: >>>>>> You are a phenomenally ignorant cunt of a human.

    Focus on what really matters. You are focussed in trivialities.

    Just fuck off. You disgust me.


    What disgusts me are surgeries to remove healthy sexual organs from children,
    rendering them sterile, or unable to breast feed babies. What disgusts me is the idea that
    children should be allowed to make such life altering decisions at such an early age,
    without the maturity or knowledge necessary to make a rational informed consent
    **So, all the other things, including the 10,000 Americans shot to death >>>> each and every year (plus as many as 10 times that figure, who are
    hospitalised with severe gunshot wounds) doesn't bother you?

    You Republican slaves focus on such trivial matters.

    Wake up and smell the coffee for fuck's sake.
    --


    Yes, it bothers me.
    **Then why would you vote Republican? It is the Republicans that fight
    tooth and nail against good, sensible, strong and cohesive gun control
    laws.

    and I remain pro constitution.

    **Good for you. Which part?

    The part where it was written by slave owners and slavery was legal?

    Or the part where only white, male, property owners were allowed to vote?

    Or the 18th?

    Or the part of the 2nd, where gun loons conveniently ignore the part
    where is clearly states: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to
    the security of a free State"

    The real facts are simple. The 2nd amendment was written at a time when
    the young nation was threatened by vicious natives, dangerous wild
    animals roamed free and, critically, re-loading times were measured in
    tens of seconds (not thousandths of a second) and accuracy was poor. A
    complete re-write of the 2nd is long overdue to reflect reality today. Naturally, the Republicans oppose this.




    and as I see law and order in decline around the country.

    **Can you prove that?


    ...I want the option to defend myself
    and not be reliant on gov't that is failing.

    ScottW

    **Can you prove that you can defend yourself? There is
    abundant evidence that arming the population has the reverse effect.
    More guns = more dead Americans.


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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Sun Jun 18 09:30:40 2023
    On 18/06/2023 8:39 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:

    That means the US taxpayer is forking out TWENTY FIVE TRILLION DOLLARS
    each and every year.

    **Oops. That figure is, of course, 25 BILLION Dollars each year.



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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sat Jun 17 18:37:00 2023
    On 6/17/23 6:08 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 6:52:16 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/17/23 5:25 PM, ScottW wrote:
    I see law and order in decline around the country
    Crime's down, dude.

    by definition. Thats what happens when you decriminalize everything,
    there is no more crime!

    N/A

    That's what happens when you defund police, you have horrible police response,

    Didn't happen.

    so citizens lose faith and don't bother to report it. That's what
    happens when don't prosecute criminals. People lose faith\in the
    system and don't report bad actors.

    People do give up when police don't do their job, as happened in SF.

    where crime is still prosecuted, those communities are safe, Where
    crime is not enforced, like in Portland, San Francisco and NYC, crime
    is rampant.

    In SF the police did work slow-downs. Crime's down in NYC.

    Portland: https://www.portlandmercury.com/news/2022/01/31/38150660/resentment-unaddressed-bias-and-leadership-failures-report-unpacks-flaws-within-ppb-culture

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Sat Jun 17 18:17:31 2023
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:39:14 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 18/06/2023 8:23 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:11:04 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 18/06/2023 7:29 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 7:29:33 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 17/06/2023 9:46 am, ScottW wrote:
    Are your hormones suppressed?

    You might have a new career opportunity.

    https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/06/16/australia-ruins-womens-sports-will-allow-men-to-compete-n762650

    ScottW
    **Here's the thing about Australia:

    We don't give a shit about unimportant issues that bother right wing >>>> nut-jobs. Australians are a very inclusive bunch. With a few right wing >>>> nut-job exceptions though.

    We just don't care if our women get a beat down by a transman.

    Note the edit for truth, justice, and the protection of women's sports. >> **I note your continued obsession with trivialities and your continued
    ignorance of important matters.

    It's not trivial to the victims.

    ScottW

    **I agree. The murder of 10,000 Americans and the injury of many more,
    from gunshot is not trivial for victims and their families.

    Tell it to families in Minneapolis where policing has nearly collapsed and people
    are cowering in their homes while gunfire rattles their windows.
    Go tell them they have to surrender their only defense.

    Nor is it trivial for a HS female athlete competing for an athletic scholarship to be denied by a male.


    Moreover (and this point will make your Republican, black, cold,
    uncaring heart take note) is the cost to every single American taxpayer:

    https://giffords.org/blog/2020/01/every-murder-costs-taxpayers-millions-of-dollars-and-thats-on-top-of-the-tragic-human-cost-blog/

    This is moronic. First...that's Stockton only. Even a moron wouldn't claim that extrapolates to the whole country.

    They're taking the sunk cost of a police force and dividing by their murders and assuming no murders means they won't need the cops for
    anything.

    Are you really that stupid to buy this crap. Stockton's entire police budget is 158M$. The moron you cite claims they can save 50M$ or 1/3 of the total police cost by reducing murders by 20%. Hey...reduce it by 60% and you can wipe out the entire
    force. I guess you just ignore the remaining 40% of murders.

    You say some dumb shit often....but this is beyond stupid.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Sat Jun 17 21:53:37 2023
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 7:14:08 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:



    and I remain pro constitution.
    **Good for you. Which part?

    The part where it was written by slave owners and slavery was legal?

    Or the part where only white, male, property owners were allowed to vote?

    Or the 18th?

    Those were repealed a long time ago.

    The people who wrote it lived in their day, in the culture of their time,
    a time in which our more modern ideals were not in existence.
    In the context of where society was at that time, it is magnificent
    document and very radical and forward thinking. I established a type of government not
    yet seen in this world, and was a great improvement over whatever else was prevalent.

    I feel so sorry for you that you hate Wmerica nad hate the US Constitution so much.
    Since its so bad here, please do not come back here to vosit us a second time Stay down under.

    Or the part of the 2nd, where gun loons conveniently ignore the part
    where is clearly states: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to
    the security of a free State"

    that's a preamble, not a requirement of validity. you lose.

    The real facts are simple. The 2nd amendment was written at a time when
    the young nation was threatened by vicious natives, dangerous wild
    animals roamed free and, critically, re-loading times were measured in
    tens of seconds (not thousandths of a second) and accuracy was poor. A complete re-write of the 2nd is long overdue to reflect reality today. Naturally, the Republicans oppose this.

    It was written at a time when police were not in existence and people
    had to fend for themselves. Tough we have police today, responses are measured in tens of minutes, so people still require the means to defend themselves.

    Even today, dangerous wild animals still roam free. They are called urban criminals.



    and as I see law and order in decline around the country.
    **Can you prove that?

    I can see it, also
    Too bad you are blind to it,


    ...I want the option to defend myself
    and not be reliant on gov't that is failing.

    ScottW
    **Can you prove that you can defend yourself? There is
    abundant evidence that arming the population has the reverse effect.
    More guns = more dead Americans.
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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sun Jun 18 15:31:52 2023
    On 18/06/2023 2:53 pm, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 7:14:08 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:



    and I remain pro constitution.
    **Good for you. Which part?

    The part where it was written by slave owners and slavery was legal?

    Or the part where only white, male, property owners were allowed to vote?

    Or the 18th?

    Those were repealed a long time ago.

    **Precisely my point. The US Constitution is a living document, designed
    to be altered to reflect the realities of life at any given time. The
    2nd Amendment is LONG past due for change. It hasn't been altered,
    thanks to corrupt Republican politicians, who slavishly follow the
    orders given by the NRA. And, for that reason, ANY person voting for Republicans is a stupid scumbag.




    The people who wrote it lived in their day, in the culture of their time,
    a time in which our more modern ideals were not in existence.
    In the context of where society was at that time, it is magnificent
    document and very radical and forward thinking. I established a type of government not
    yet seen in this world, and was a great improvement over whatever else was prevalent.

    I feel so sorry for you that you hate Wmerica nad hate the US Constitution so much.
    Since its so bad here, please do not come back here to vosit us a second time Stay down under.

    **Where did I say that I "hate Wmerica nad hate the US Constitution"?
    For the record:

    * I do not "hate Wmerica".
    * I do not "hate the US Constitution".

    Wmerica has it's problems, largely as a result of corrupt Republican politicians. Starting with Reagan and his idiotic tax policies and
    ending with Trump and his buddying up to the religious right, the NRA
    and Putin.

    Further and for the record:

    The US Constitution and the BoR is a good, but highly flawed document,
    which is hundreds of years out of date.


    Or the part of the 2nd, where gun loons conveniently ignore the part
    where is clearly states: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to
    the security of a free State"

    that's a preamble, not a requirement of validity. you lose.

    **Then YOU tell me precisely what those words suggest.


    The real facts are simple. The 2nd amendment was written at a time when
    the young nation was threatened by vicious natives, dangerous wild
    animals roamed free and, critically, re-loading times were measured in
    tens of seconds (not thousandths of a second) and accuracy was poor. A
    complete re-write of the 2nd is long overdue to reflect reality today.
    Naturally, the Republicans oppose this.

    It was written at a time when police were not in existence and people
    had to fend for themselves. Tough we have police today, responses are measured
    in tens of minutes, so people still require the means to defend themselves.

    **Only because you make it so fucking easy for violent people to obtain firearms you boob!


    Even today, dangerous wild animals still roam free. They are called urban criminals.

    **Sure. Same as over here. The difference being that few carry firearms.
    As a consequence, far fewer Aussies are shot to death (per capita).




    and as I see law and order in decline around the country.
    **Can you prove that?

    I can see it, also
    Too bad you are blind to it,

    **Prove it. Submit your data.



    ...I want the option to defend myself
    and not be reliant on gov't that is failing.

    ScottW
    **Can you prove that you can defend yourself? There is
    abundant evidence that arming the population has the reverse effect.
    More guns = more dead Americans.
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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Jun 18 16:29:11 2023
    On 18/06/2023 11:17 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:39:14 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 18/06/2023 8:23 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:11:04 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 18/06/2023 7:29 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 7:29:33 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 17/06/2023 9:46 am, ScottW wrote:
    Are your hormones suppressed?

    You might have a new career opportunity.

    https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/06/16/australia-ruins-womens-sports-will-allow-men-to-compete-n762650

    ScottW
    **Here's the thing about Australia:

    We don't give a shit about unimportant issues that bother right wing >>>>>> nut-jobs. Australians are a very inclusive bunch. With a few right wing >>>>>> nut-job exceptions though.

    We just don't care if our women get a beat down by a transman.

    Note the edit for truth, justice, and the protection of women's sports. >>>> **I note your continued obsession with trivialities and your continued >>>> ignorance of important matters.

    It's not trivial to the victims.

    ScottW

    **I agree. The murder of 10,000 Americans and the injury of many more,
    from gunshot is not trivial for victims and their families.

    Tell it to families in Minneapolis where policing has nearly collapsed and people
    are cowering in their homes while gunfire rattles their windows.
    Go tell them they have to surrender their only defense.

    **I never said they did. I said that US gun laws are a joke. A violent
    criminal can easily obtain a firearm from a legal gun owner in may US jurisdictions and the seller faces no repercussions.


    Nor is it trivial for a HS female athlete competing for an athletic scholarship
    to be denied by a male.


    **Compared to the murder of 10,000 Americans each and every year, it is
    utterly insignificant.


    Moreover (and this point will make your Republican, black, cold,
    uncaring heart take note) is the cost to every single American taxpayer:

    https://giffords.org/blog/2020/01/every-murder-costs-taxpayers-millions-of-dollars-and-thats-on-top-of-the-tragic-human-cost-blog/

    This is moronic. First...that's Stockton only. Even a moron wouldn't claim that extrapolates to the whole country.

    **True enough. Here's another study:

    https://www.johntfloyd.com/the-cost-of-murder-the-price-of-innocence/

    That equates to $175 billion each year. Or approximately US$1,000.00
    from each taxpayer each and every year. Over the working life of an
    average American that's more than FORTY GRAND!

    Is it worth it?

    Or can you do more with 40 Grand than the gun manufacturers do with
    their profits?


    They're taking the sunk cost of a police force and dividing by their murders and assuming no murders means they won't need the cops for
    anything.

    Are you really that stupid to buy this crap. Stockton's entire police budget is 158M$. The moron you cite claims they can save 50M$ or 1/3 of the total police cost by reducing murders by 20%. Hey...reduce it by 60% and you can wipe out the entire
    force. I guess you just ignore the remaining 40% of murders.

    You say some dumb shit often....but this is beyond stupid.

    ScottW

    **See my amended figures.

    Here's more:

    https://www.fox5dc.com/news/each-dc-homicide-cost-taxpayers-1-53-million-last-year-report

    https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/cost-of-gun-violence-report-shows-each-shooting-injury-costs-dc-taxpayers-783k/3147816/

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3040975/Gun-violence-costs-taxpayers-229-BILLION-year-Shocking-figures-revealed-new-study.html

    https://everytownresearch.org/report/the-economic-cost-of-gun-violence/

    Whichever way you slice it, gun deaths and gun violence is VERY, VERY
    expensive for US taxpayers. All so a bunch of criminal Republicans can
    curry favour with the NRA. As you probably know, the NRA is nothing more
    than the promotional arm of the firearms and ammunition industries. At
    one time, the NRA was quite a different organisation, but it has been
    corrupted (like the Republican Party) by money.

    A vote for Republican politicians is a guarantee that more death and
    injury will continue.
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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sun Jun 18 16:16:17 2023
    On 18/06/2023 8:32 am, Art Sackman wrote:


    Yes, it bothers me.
    **Then why would you vote Republican? It is the Republicans that fight
    tooth and nail against good, sensible, strong and cohesive gun control
    laws.


    Dems elect soft on crime Soros backed prosecutors who refuse to enforce criminal laws.

    **Prove it. Cite your evidence.

    Dems decriminalize behavior, reduce felonies to misdemeanors.

    **Prove it. Cite your evidence.

    Dems do not enforce gun laws already on the books.

    **US gun laws are hopelessly inadequate and many are unenforceable.
    Examine Australia's gun laws, if you genuinely want to reduce the
    homicide and injury rates via gunshot. If you are happy to see 10,000 of
    your fellow Americans shot to death each and every year, then do
    absolutely nothing. Keep voting for the NRA slaves in the Republican Party.

    Dems defund police departments.

    **Prove it. Cite your evidence. Prove that Republicans did not.

    Dems demoralize police departments with all of the above, plus advocate
    limiting immunity.

    **Prove it.



    You say Reps oppose gun control laws;

    **_I_ don't say it. The facts are in evidence:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/26/us/republicans-gun-control.html

    So, keep voting for the arseholes who ensure that Americans keep being
    murdered via gunshot.

    You dumb shit-for-brains.

    I say Dems oppose criminal control laws.

    **Let me carefully restate: We are discussing the fact that 10,000
    Americans are murdered each year via gunshot and the fact that
    Republican politicians (including your hero: Trump/Putin) vigorously
    oppose any changes to the existing gun laws.

    Law enforcement against criminals will accomplish much better results.

    **Really? How would that work with:

    * The Las Vegas shooting in 2017? The perp was not a criminal.
    * The Orlando nightclub shooting in 2016?
    * The Virginia Tech shooting.
    * Sandy Hook?
    Etc, etc.

    Few of the individuals concerned were criminals and all were able to
    easily access firearms that have no place in modern society.

    Society
    can do something about that. worrying about stocks and magazines, and long guns
    won't have much effect. The problem is criminals using handguns.

    **No. The problem is that ANYONE (criminals or not) can easily obtain
    any kind of firearm they wish. Including handguns.

    Good luck collecting the ones on the street and trying to ban handguns. Not gonna happen.
    Locking up more violent criminals with longer sentences, that's the easy solution,

    **What about the people with no criminal history who kill Americans? Are
    they OK?





    It doesn't bother you one bit. You are a liar and a hypocrite. If you
    really cared, then you would vote for politicians who seek to end this
    insane carnage.


    I do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I vote for tough on crime Republicans running against soft on crime democrats.s

    **No. You vote for the NRA stooges, who ensure that guns are easily
    available to anyone. Including criminals, children and those who should
    not be allowed to own firearms.





    And protecting children from mutilation is NOT a trivial matter.
    **Mutilating children is a criminal offence. The laws are already in
    place.

    Gender based mutilations are NOT criminal, except just recently, in
    only a few states,


    **I will state, once more, very clearly: Mutilating children is already
    a criminal offence.


    Now, why don't you vote for the people who seek to reduce the
    insane carnage caused by the easy availability of firearms?

    Hint: That means NOT voting for Republicans.

    Wrong. democrats are the ones aiding and abetting violent crime.

    **I am correct:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/26/us/republicans-gun-control.html

    It is the Republicans who are the NRA stooges.






    A vote for Republicans means you tacitly approve of the slaughter of
    your fellow Americans.

    Democrats let violet criminals off the hook, particularly if they are illegal aliens.

    **Republicans ensure that ANYONE (including violent criminals) can
    easily obtain firearms.


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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Sun Jun 18 09:38:40 2023
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 11:16:20 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 18/06/2023 8:32 am, Art Sackman wrote:


    Yes, it bothers me.
    **Then why would you vote Republican? It is the Republicans that fight
    tooth and nail against good, sensible, strong and cohesive gun control
    laws.


    Dems elect soft on crime Soros backed prosecutors who refuse to enforce criminal laws.
    **Prove it. Cite your evidence.

    All you prove with claptrap like this is your own ignorance.

    You rage endlessly over handgun deaths but sit quietly while fentanyl kills tens of thousands more and the drugs continue to flow easily through Bidens open borders.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Sun Jun 18 09:43:34 2023
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 11:29:15 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 18/06/2023 11:17 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:39:14 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 18/06/2023 8:23 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:11:04 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 18/06/2023 7:29 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 7:29:33 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 17/06/2023 9:46 am, ScottW wrote:
    Are your hormones suppressed?

    You might have a new career opportunity.

    https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/06/16/australia-ruins-womens-sports-will-allow-men-to-compete-n762650

    ScottW
    **Here's the thing about Australia:

    We don't give a shit about unimportant issues that bother right wing >>>>>> nut-jobs. Australians are a very inclusive bunch. With a few right wing
    nut-job exceptions though.

    We just don't care if our women get a beat down by a transman.

    Note the edit for truth, justice, and the protection of women's sports.
    **I note your continued obsession with trivialities and your continued >>>> ignorance of important matters.

    It's not trivial to the victims.

    ScottW

    **I agree. The murder of 10,000 Americans and the injury of many more,
    from gunshot is not trivial for victims and their families.

    Tell it to families in Minneapolis where policing has nearly collapsed and people
    are cowering in their homes while gunfire rattles their windows.
    Go tell them they have to surrender their only defense.
    **I never said they did. I said that US gun laws are a joke. A violent criminal can easily obtain a firearm from a legal gun owner in may US jurisdictions and the seller faces no repercussions.

    And under dem DA's...neither does the violent criminal.

    But for the record...knowingly selling a gun to felon is a federal offense
    and as such there is no "jurisdiction" where this is not punishable.
    You remain an ignorant blowhard.

    ScottW

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Jun 19 05:12:05 2023
    On 19/06/2023 2:38 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 11:16:20 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 18/06/2023 8:32 am, Art Sackman wrote:


    Yes, it bothers me.
    **Then why would you vote Republican? It is the Republicans that fight >>>> tooth and nail against good, sensible, strong and cohesive gun control >>>> laws.


    Dems elect soft on crime Soros backed prosecutors who refuse to enforce criminal laws.
    **Prove it. Cite your evidence.

    All you prove with claptrap like this is your own ignorance.

    You rage endlessly over handgun deaths but sit quietly while fentanyl kills tens of thousands more and the drugs continue to flow easily through Bidens open borders.

    ScottW


    **A fentanyl death is a self-administered one. You'll note that I have
    VERY carefully omitted the suicide rate associated with firearms. I am
    firmly of the belief that any human may choose the timing of their death.

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Jun 19 05:09:45 2023
    On 19/06/2023 2:43 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 11:29:15 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 18/06/2023 11:17 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:39:14 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 18/06/2023 8:23 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:11:04 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 18/06/2023 7:29 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 7:29:33 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>> On 17/06/2023 9:46 am, ScottW wrote:
    Are your hormones suppressed?

    You might have a new career opportunity.

    https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/06/16/australia-ruins-womens-sports-will-allow-men-to-compete-n762650

    ScottW
    **Here's the thing about Australia:

    We don't give a shit about unimportant issues that bother right wing >>>>>>>> nut-jobs. Australians are a very inclusive bunch. With a few right wing
    nut-job exceptions though.

    We just don't care if our women get a beat down by a transman.

    Note the edit for truth, justice, and the protection of women's sports. >>>>>> **I note your continued obsession with trivialities and your continued >>>>>> ignorance of important matters.

    It's not trivial to the victims.

    ScottW

    **I agree. The murder of 10,000 Americans and the injury of many more, >>>> from gunshot is not trivial for victims and their families.

    Tell it to families in Minneapolis where policing has nearly collapsed and people
    are cowering in their homes while gunfire rattles their windows.
    Go tell them they have to surrender their only defense.
    **I never said they did. I said that US gun laws are a joke. A violent
    criminal can easily obtain a firearm from a legal gun owner in may US
    jurisdictions and the seller faces no repercussions.

    And under dem DA's...neither does the violent criminal.

    **And, here's the thing, you moron: Various Democrat presidents have
    attempted to introduce tougher gun laws, but have been thwarted by
    Republican Senates. In fact, when Republican presidents have been in
    power, gun laws have been weakened, thus allowing people who should not
    have access to firearms, easy access to them. Republican politicians
    routinely kill off any attempts at better gun laws. Republican
    politicians are just corrupt jackals in the thrall of the NRA (and the
    firearms industry). Republican voters don't care about the insane
    homicide rates via gunshot.


    But for the record...knowingly selling a gun to felon is a federal offense and as such there is no "jurisdiction" where this is not punishable.

    **That may be the case, but there is no requirement for a private seller
    to perform a background check. Here in Australia, a seller MUST report
    any sale of firearms to the authorities. Failure to do so, is a serious criminal offence.

    You remain an ignorant blowhard.

    **Wrong. I know a great more than you think I do about the mess that
    passes for gun laws in the US and how such gun laws that do exist can be circumvented.

    A vote for Re3publican politicians ensure that the homicide rates via
    gunshot remain at levels only seen during wartime. Republican voters are morons.


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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Sun Jun 18 12:23:44 2023
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 2:16:20 AM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 18/06/2023 8:32 am, Art Sackman wrote:


    Yes, it bothers me.
    **Then why would you vote Republican? It is the Republicans that fight
    tooth and nail against good, sensible, strong and cohesive gun control
    laws.


    Dems elect soft on crime Soros backed prosecutors who refuse to enforce criminal laws.
    **Prove it. Cite your evidence.
    Dems decriminalize behavior, reduce felonies to misdemeanors.
    **Prove it. Cite your evidence.

    You don't live here. If you did, you would realize that it is a well known fact.
    Proof not required
    Sky is blue, proof not required.
    self evident.



    Dems do not enforce gun laws already on the books.
    **US gun laws are hopelessly inadequate and many are unenforceable.
    Examine Australia's gun laws, if you genuinely want to reduce the
    homicide and injury rates via gunshot. If you are happy to see 10,000 of your fellow Americans shot to death each and every year, then do
    absolutely nothing. Keep voting for the NRA slaves in the Republican Party.

    That is your culture, not ours.
    We have over 350 million guns already in citizen's hands.
    and we have a violent subculture.
    Focusing on gun sales is not going to change any of that.




    Dems defund police departments.

    **Prove it. Cite your evidence. Prove that Republicans did not.

    THE SKY IS BLUE
    proof not required.


    Dems demoralize police departments with all of the above, plus advocate limiting immunity.
    **Prove it.


    The sky is blue
    grass is green
    the oceans contain a lot of water

    proof not required.


    You say Reps oppose gun control laws;
    **_I_ don't say it. The facts are in evidence:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/26/us/republicans-gun-control.html

    So, keep voting for the arseholes who ensure that Americans keep being murdered via gunshot.

    Criminals pull the trigger
    Triggers don't pull themselves,





    You dumb shit-for-brains.
    I say Dems oppose criminal control laws.
    **Let me carefully restate: We are discussing the fact that 10,000
    Americans are murdered each year via gunshot and the fact that
    Republican politicians (including your hero: Trump/Putin) vigorously
    oppose any changes to the existing gun laws.

    Because there are 350 million guns out there.
    ONLY 1 OUT OF EVERY 35,000 GUNS KILLS SOMEBODY



    Law enforcement against criminals will accomplish much better results.
    **Really? How would that work with:

    * The Las Vegas shooting in 2017? The perp was not a criminal
    * The Orlando nightclub shooting in 2016?
    * The Virginia Tech shooting.
    * Sandy Hook?
    Etc, etc.

    Those crimes involved rifles.
    Most gun deaths in the USA, by a very wide margin, are from handguns.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/

    only 447 deaths by rifle.








    Few of the individuals concerned were criminals and all were able to
    easily access firearms that have no place in modern society.
    Society
    can do something about that. worrying about stocks and magazines, and long guns
    won't have much effect. The problem is criminals using handguns.
    **No. The problem is that ANYONE (criminals or not) can easily obtain
    any kind of firearm they wish. Including handguns.
    Good luck collecting the ones on the street and trying to ban handguns. Not gonna happen.
    Locking up more violent criminals with longer sentences, that's the easy solution,
    **What about the people with no criminal history who kill Americans? Are they OK?

    Good luck predicting who they might be.
    In this country, we leave people alone until after they commit a crime.






    It doesn't bother you one bit. You are a liar and a hypocrite. If you
    really cared, then you would vote for politicians who seek to end this
    insane carnage.

    I do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I vote for politicians who would lock up violent criminals.



    I do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I vote for tough on crime Republicans running against soft on crime democrats.s
    **No. You vote for the NRA stooges, who ensure that guns are easily available to anyone. Including criminals, children and those who should
    not be allowed to own firearms.

    Nor should children be allowed to consent to have their penises or breasts removed.


    And protecting children from mutilation is NOT a trivial matter.
    **Mutilating children is a criminal offence. The laws are already in
    place.

    Gender based mutilations are NOT criminal, except just recently, in
    only a few states,

    **I will state, once more, very clearly: Mutilating children is already
    a criminal offence.

    I will state very clearly that in almost all states, it is not.
    Gender affirming surgery for children includes breast or penis removal,
    which is mutilation, and in some states, it is an approved practice.



    Now, why don't you vote for the people who seek to reduce the
    insane carnage caused by the easy availability of firearms?

    Hint: That means NOT voting for Republicans.

    Wrong. democrats are the ones aiding and abetting violent crime.
    **I am correct:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/26/us/republicans-gun-control.html

    It is the Republicans who are the NRA stooges.



    The NRA is not the problem,


    A vote for Republicans means you tacitly approve of the slaughter of
    your fellow Americans.


    No it means I protect Americans from criminals.




    Democrats let violet criminals off the hook, particularly if they are illegal aliens.
    **Republicans ensure that ANYONE (including violent criminals) can
    easily obtain firearms.


    Nononono.
    Violent criminals (convicted felons) are not allowed to own firearms

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Sun Jun 18 12:25:03 2023
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 3:12:07 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 19/06/2023 2:38 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 11:16:20 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 18/06/2023 8:32 am, Art Sackman wrote:


    Yes, it bothers me.
    **Then why would you vote Republican? It is the Republicans that fight >>>> tooth and nail against good, sensible, strong and cohesive gun control >>>> laws.


    Dems elect soft on crime Soros backed prosecutors who refuse to enforce criminal laws.
    **Prove it. Cite your evidence.

    All you prove with claptrap like this is your own ignorance.

    You rage endlessly over handgun deaths but sit quietly while fentanyl kills
    tens of thousands more and the drugs continue to flow easily through Bidens open borders.

    ScottW

    **A fentanyl death is a self-administered one. You'll note that I have
    VERY carefully omitted the suicide rate associated with firearms. I am firmly of the belief that any human may choose the timing of their death.
    --


    Self administered, yes
    but not usually a suicide

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Mon Jun 19 06:08:52 2023
    On 19/06/2023 5:25 am, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 3:12:07 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 19/06/2023 2:38 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 11:16:20 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 18/06/2023 8:32 am, Art Sackman wrote:


    Yes, it bothers me.
    **Then why would you vote Republican? It is the Republicans that fight >>>>>> tooth and nail against good, sensible, strong and cohesive gun control >>>>>> laws.


    Dems elect soft on crime Soros backed prosecutors who refuse to enforce criminal laws.
    **Prove it. Cite your evidence.

    All you prove with claptrap like this is your own ignorance.

    You rage endlessly over handgun deaths but sit quietly while fentanyl kills >>> tens of thousands more and the drugs continue to flow easily through Bidens open borders.

    ScottW

    **A fentanyl death is a self-administered one. You'll note that I have
    VERY carefully omitted the suicide rate associated with firearms. I am
    firmly of the belief that any human may choose the timing of their death.
    --


    Self administered, yes
    but not usually a suicide

    **Again: I have no problem with a self-administered death. Fentanyl
    users are well aware of how deadly the stuff is. Same as tobacco,
    alcohol and other drugs.

    BTW: If you REALLY cared about saving lives (which, as a Republican
    voters, you clearly don't give a fuck), then you would be doing
    something about tobacco and alcohol:

    https://www.rehabspot.com/drugs/the-top-10-most-dangerous-drugs/

    And guns, you fucking hypocrite.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

    Almost 49,000 Americans died via gunshot in 2021.

    Wake up and smell the coffee (and the corrupt, evil cunts in the
    Republican Party, who kow-tow to the NRA).

    What the fuck is wrong with you people?

    The Republicans don't care about people. They only care about money and
    power.


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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Mon Jun 19 06:59:32 2023
    On 19/06/2023 5:23 am, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 2:16:20 AM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 18/06/2023 8:32 am, Art Sackman wrote:


    Yes, it bothers me.
    **Then why would you vote Republican? It is the Republicans that fight >>>> tooth and nail against good, sensible, strong and cohesive gun control >>>> laws.


    Dems elect soft on crime Soros backed prosecutors who refuse to enforce criminal laws.
    **Prove it. Cite your evidence.
    Dems decriminalize behavior, reduce felonies to misdemeanors.
    **Prove it. Cite your evidence.

    You don't live here. If you did, you would realize that it is a well known fact.
    Proof not required
    Sky is blue, proof not required.
    self evident.

    **Lack of proof duly noted. SOP for you.




    Dems do not enforce gun laws already on the books.
    **US gun laws are hopelessly inadequate and many are unenforceable.
    Examine Australia's gun laws, if you genuinely want to reduce the
    homicide and injury rates via gunshot. If you are happy to see 10,000 of
    your fellow Americans shot to death each and every year, then do
    absolutely nothing. Keep voting for the NRA slaves in the Republican Party.

    That is your culture, not ours.

    **We are all humans. The so-called "gun culture" is just a bunch of guys
    with dangerous toys. It's just a dangerous habit. Habits can be broken. Consider smoking:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/184418/percentage-of-cigarette-smoking-in-the-us/



    We have over 350 million guns already in citizen's hands.
    and we have a violent subculture.
    Focusing on gun sales is not going to change any of that.

    **And yet, it works EVERYWHERE else in the developed world. The US is no different.





    Dems defund police departments.

    **Prove it. Cite your evidence. Prove that Republicans did not.

    THE SKY IS BLUE
    proof not required.

    **Lack of proof duly noted. SOP for you.



    Dems demoralize police departments with all of the above, plus advocate
    limiting immunity.
    **Prove it.


    The sky is blue
    grass is green
    the oceans contain a lot of water

    proof not required.

    **Lack of proof duly noted. SOP for you.



    You say Reps oppose gun control laws;
    **_I_ don't say it. The facts are in evidence:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/26/us/republicans-gun-control.html

    So, keep voting for the arseholes who ensure that Americans keep being
    murdered via gunshot.

    Criminals pull the trigger
    Triggers don't pull themselves,

    **Then why make it easy for violent people to obtain firearms?






    You dumb shit-for-brains.
    I say Dems oppose criminal control laws.
    **Let me carefully restate: We are discussing the fact that 10,000
    Americans are murdered each year via gunshot and the fact that
    Republican politicians (including your hero: Trump/Putin) vigorously
    oppose any changes to the existing gun laws.

    Because there are 350 million guns out there.
    ONLY 1 OUT OF EVERY 35,000 GUNS KILLS SOMEBODY

    **10,000 Americans each and every year are murdered via gunshot. 10,000
    per year. That's more than were killed in the Vietnam war (per year).




    Law enforcement against criminals will accomplish much better results.
    **Really? How would that work with:

    * The Las Vegas shooting in 2017? The perp was not a criminal
    * The Orlando nightclub shooting in 2016?
    * The Virginia Tech shooting.
    * Sandy Hook?
    Etc, etc.

    Those crimes involved rifles.

    **Rifles ARE firearms you boob.

    Most gun deaths in the USA, by a very wide margin, are from handguns.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/

    **Gun control laws are (or should be) designed to address ALL firearms.


    only 447 deaths by rifle.








    Few of the individuals concerned were criminals and all were able to
    easily access firearms that have no place in modern society.
    Society
    can do something about that. worrying about stocks and magazines, and long guns
    won't have much effect. The problem is criminals using handguns.
    **No. The problem is that ANYONE (criminals or not) can easily obtain
    any kind of firearm they wish. Including handguns.
    Good luck collecting the ones on the street and trying to ban handguns. Not gonna happen.
    Locking up more violent criminals with longer sentences, that's the easy solution,
    **What about the people with no criminal history who kill Americans? Are
    they OK?

    Good luck predicting who they might be.
    In this country, we leave people alone until after they commit a crime.

    **How is that working for you? Are you happy to see drunks, drug addicts
    and violent people with easy access to firearms?







    It doesn't bother you one bit. You are a liar and a hypocrite. If you
    really cared, then you would vote for politicians who seek to end this >>>> insane carnage.

    I do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I vote for politicians who would lock up violent criminals.

    **AFTER they shoot people. Would it be smarter to make it harder for
    violent people to obtain firearms?




    I do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I vote for tough on crime Republicans running against >>> soft on crime democrats.s
    **No. You vote for the NRA stooges, who ensure that guns are easily
    available to anyone. Including criminals, children and those who should
    not be allowed to own firearms.

    Nor should children be allowed to consent to have their penises or breasts removed.

    **Dead is dead, you idiot.



    And protecting children from mutilation is NOT a trivial matter.
    **Mutilating children is a criminal offence. The laws are already in
    place.

    Gender based mutilations are NOT criminal, except just recently, in
    only a few states,

    **I will state, once more, very clearly: Mutilating children is already
    a criminal offence.

    I will state very clearly that in almost all states, it is not.

    **Liar.

    Gender affirming surgery for children includes breast or penis removal,
    which is mutilation, and in some states, it is an approved practice.

    **YOUR opinion is that it is mutilation. YOUR opinion is not a legal,
    nor a medical one. It is illegal to mutilate children.




    Now, why don't you vote for the people who seek to reduce the
    insane carnage caused by the easy availability of firearms?

    Hint: That means NOT voting for Republicans.

    Wrong. democrats are the ones aiding and abetting violent crime.
    **I am correct:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/26/us/republicans-gun-control.html

    It is the Republicans who are the NRA stooges.



    The NRA is not the problem,

    **Yeah, it is:

    https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/how-much-influence-does-the-nra-have-over-politicians/

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35261394

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/17/nra-gun-lobby-gun-control-congress

    https://www.longdom.org/open-access/the-impact-of-nra-on-the-american-policy-36037.html

    "The NRA goes to a great length and spends a large amount of money on
    lobbying to defend the Constitution – the right to bear arms. In 2013,
    the NRA spent on lobbying $3,410,000, while in 2014, it spent $3,360,000
    [3]. The top issues that the NRA lobbied during 2014 included, but not
    limited to, firearms, guns and ammunition, federal budget and
    appropriations, civil rights and civil liberties, natural resources, and
    taxes. The open secrets website also indicated that during the 2014
    election cycle, the outside spending for the NRA was $28,212,718;
    outside spending usually refers to ads and off-record spending. Over 15
    million dollars off that outside spending amount was lobbied against
    democrats, and $24,262 was lobbied for democrats; and almost 11 million
    dollars were lobbied for the republicans, while 92,034 was lobbied
    against republicans [3]."

    The NRA _IS_ the problem.



    A vote for Republicans means you tacitly approve of the slaughter of
    your fellow Americans.


    No it means I protect Americans from criminals.

    **And yet, 10,000 dead Americans each year makes a mockery of your
    insane claim. Voting for Republicans ensures that US gun laws remain
    weak and poorly regulated. Therefore, the slaughter continues.





    Democrats let violet criminals off the hook, particularly if they are illegal aliens.
    **Republicans ensure that ANYONE (including violent criminals) can
    easily obtain firearms.


    Nononono.
    Violent criminals (convicted felons) are not allowed to own firearms

    **And yet, thanks to poorly framed US gun laws, violent people, drunks,
    drug addicts and brain damaged people can easily acquire firearms. All
    thanks to the corruption of Republican politicians by the NRA.



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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Sun Jun 18 14:42:57 2023
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 12:09:48 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 19/06/2023 2:43 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 11:29:15 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 18/06/2023 11:17 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:39:14 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 18/06/2023 8:23 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:11:04 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 18/06/2023 7:29 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 7:29:33 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>> On 17/06/2023 9:46 am, ScottW wrote:
    Are your hormones suppressed?

    You might have a new career opportunity.

    https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/06/16/australia-ruins-womens-sports-will-allow-men-to-compete-n762650

    ScottW
    **Here's the thing about Australia:

    We don't give a shit about unimportant issues that bother right wing
    nut-jobs. Australians are a very inclusive bunch. With a few right wing
    nut-job exceptions though.

    We just don't care if our women get a beat down by a transman. >>>>>>>
    Note the edit for truth, justice, and the protection of women's sports.
    **I note your continued obsession with trivialities and your continued
    ignorance of important matters.

    It's not trivial to the victims.

    ScottW

    **I agree. The murder of 10,000 Americans and the injury of many more, >>>> from gunshot is not trivial for victims and their families.

    Tell it to families in Minneapolis where policing has nearly collapsed and people
    are cowering in their homes while gunfire rattles their windows.
    Go tell them they have to surrender their only defense.
    **I never said they did. I said that US gun laws are a joke. A violent
    criminal can easily obtain a firearm from a legal gun owner in may US
    jurisdictions and the seller faces no repercussions.

    And under dem DA's...neither does the violent criminal.
    **And, here's the thing, you moron: Various Democrat presidents have attempted to introduce tougher gun laws, but have been thwarted by Republican Senates.

    Obama had the trifecta. What did he do with it?

    ScottW

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Jun 19 07:57:39 2023
    On 19/06/2023 7:42 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 12:09:48 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 19/06/2023 2:43 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 11:29:15 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 18/06/2023 11:17 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:39:14 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 18/06/2023 8:23 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:11:04 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>> On 18/06/2023 7:29 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 7:29:33 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 17/06/2023 9:46 am, ScottW wrote:
    Are your hormones suppressed?

    You might have a new career opportunity.

    https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/06/16/australia-ruins-womens-sports-will-allow-men-to-compete-n762650

    ScottW
    **Here's the thing about Australia:

    We don't give a shit about unimportant issues that bother right wing >>>>>>>>>> nut-jobs. Australians are a very inclusive bunch. With a few right wing
    nut-job exceptions though.

    We just don't care if our women get a beat down by a transman. >>>>>>>>>
    Note the edit for truth, justice, and the protection of women's sports.
    **I note your continued obsession with trivialities and your continued >>>>>>>> ignorance of important matters.

    It's not trivial to the victims.

    ScottW

    **I agree. The murder of 10,000 Americans and the injury of many more, >>>>>> from gunshot is not trivial for victims and their families.

    Tell it to families in Minneapolis where policing has nearly collapsed and people
    are cowering in their homes while gunfire rattles their windows.
    Go tell them they have to surrender their only defense.
    **I never said they did. I said that US gun laws are a joke. A violent >>>> criminal can easily obtain a firearm from a legal gun owner in may US
    jurisdictions and the seller faces no repercussions.

    And under dem DA's...neither does the violent criminal.
    **And, here's the thing, you moron: Various Democrat presidents have
    attempted to introduce tougher gun laws, but have been thwarted by
    Republican Senates.

    Obama had the trifecta. What did he do with it?

    ScottW


    **
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/08/16/obama-gun-control-227625/

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Mon Jun 19 08:54:54 2023
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 1:08:55 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 19/06/2023 5:25 am, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 3:12:07 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 19/06/2023 2:38 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 11:16:20 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 18/06/2023 8:32 am, Art Sackman wrote:


    Yes, it bothers me.
    **Then why would you vote Republican? It is the Republicans that fight
    tooth and nail against good, sensible, strong and cohesive gun control
    laws.


    Dems elect soft on crime Soros backed prosecutors who refuse to enforce criminal laws.
    **Prove it. Cite your evidence.

    All you prove with claptrap like this is your own ignorance.

    You rage endlessly over handgun deaths but sit quietly while fentanyl kills
    tens of thousands more and the drugs continue to flow easily through Bidens open borders.

    ScottW

    **A fentanyl death is a self-administered one. You'll note that I have
    VERY carefully omitted the suicide rate associated with firearms. I am
    firmly of the belief that any human may choose the timing of their death. >> --


    Self administered, yes
    but not usually a suicide
    **Again: I have no problem with a self-administered death. Fentanyl
    users are well aware of how deadly the stuff is. Same as tobacco,
    alcohol and other drugs.

    Fentanyl is too often sold as a Xanax or other popular prescription.
    It's even showing up in cannabis prodcuts.

    Everyone who dies of fentanyl overdose doesn't know they were getting it.

    ScottW

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Mon Jun 19 09:03:46 2023
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 2:57:41 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 19/06/2023 7:42 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 12:09:48 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 19/06/2023 2:43 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 11:29:15 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 18/06/2023 11:17 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:39:14 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 18/06/2023 8:23 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:11:04 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 18/06/2023 7:29 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 7:29:33 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 17/06/2023 9:46 am, ScottW wrote:
    Are your hormones suppressed?

    You might have a new career opportunity.

    https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/06/16/australia-ruins-womens-sports-will-allow-men-to-compete-n762650

    ScottW
    **Here's the thing about Australia:

    We don't give a shit about unimportant issues that bother right wing
    nut-jobs. Australians are a very inclusive bunch. With a few right wing
    nut-job exceptions though.

    We just don't care if our women get a beat down by a transman. >>>>>>>>>
    Note the edit for truth, justice, and the protection of women's sports.
    **I note your continued obsession with trivialities and your continued
    ignorance of important matters.

    It's not trivial to the victims.

    ScottW

    **I agree. The murder of 10,000 Americans and the injury of many more,
    from gunshot is not trivial for victims and their families.

    Tell it to families in Minneapolis where policing has nearly collapsed and people
    are cowering in their homes while gunfire rattles their windows.
    Go tell them they have to surrender their only defense.
    **I never said they did. I said that US gun laws are a joke. A violent >>>> criminal can easily obtain a firearm from a legal gun owner in may US >>>> jurisdictions and the seller faces no repercussions.

    And under dem DA's...neither does the violent criminal.
    **And, here's the thing, you moron: Various Democrat presidents have
    attempted to introduce tougher gun laws, but have been thwarted by
    Republican Senates.

    Obama had the trifecta. What did he do with it?

    ScottW

    ** https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/08/16/obama-gun-control-227625/

    "In his first term, Obama did not push for gun control measures after the fatal mass shootings at Fort Hood, Texas; an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater; and the Tucson, Arizona supermarket that cut short Rep. Gabby Giffords' congressional career. He
    continued to keep quiet on gun control in the 2012 presidential campaign as well."

    Fact number two....Biden also had the trifecta his first two years. He also did nothing on gun control just like Obama.

    Gun control has proven to be...like many issues....something dems want to run on but never want to enact.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Jun 19 12:25:15 2023
    On 6/19/23 11:03 AM, ScottW wrote:

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/08/16/obama-gun-control-227625/

    "In his first term, Obama did not push for gun control measures after
    the fatal mass shootings at Fort Hood, Texas; an Aurora, Colorado,
    movie theater; and the Tucson, Arizona supermarket that cut short
    Rep. Gabby Giffords' congressional career. He continued to keep quiet
    on gun control in the 2012 presidential campaign as well."

    Good article. Did you notice the Republican contribution to Obama's
    success in passing gun control?

    Fact number two....Biden also had the trifecta his first two years.
    He also did nothing on gun control just like Obama.

    Obama's 'trifecta' was much weaker that you imply, due to Ted Kennedy's
    illness and the Franken recount delaying his joining the Senate and the Democratic Senate majority being short of the number needed to overcome Republican filibusters.

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Jun 20 06:03:04 2023
    On 20/06/2023 1:54 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 1:08:55 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 19/06/2023 5:25 am, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 3:12:07 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 19/06/2023 2:38 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 11:16:20 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 18/06/2023 8:32 am, Art Sackman wrote:


    Yes, it bothers me.
    **Then why would you vote Republican? It is the Republicans that fight >>>>>>>> tooth and nail against good, sensible, strong and cohesive gun control >>>>>>>> laws.


    Dems elect soft on crime Soros backed prosecutors who refuse to enforce criminal laws.
    **Prove it. Cite your evidence.

    All you prove with claptrap like this is your own ignorance.

    You rage endlessly over handgun deaths but sit quietly while fentanyl kills
    tens of thousands more and the drugs continue to flow easily through Bidens open borders.

    ScottW

    **A fentanyl death is a self-administered one. You'll note that I have >>>> VERY carefully omitted the suicide rate associated with firearms. I am >>>> firmly of the belief that any human may choose the timing of their death. >>>> --


    Self administered, yes
    but not usually a suicide
    **Again: I have no problem with a self-administered death. Fentanyl
    users are well aware of how deadly the stuff is. Same as tobacco,
    alcohol and other drugs.

    Fentanyl is too often sold as a Xanax or other popular prescription.
    It's even showing up in cannabis prodcuts.

    Everyone who dies of fentanyl overdose doesn't know they were getting it.

    ScottW

    **People who buy illegal drugs are no different to smokers. The risks
    are well known and well publicised. IOW: You can't protect people from
    their own stupidity.

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Jun 20 10:48:58 2023
    On 20/06/2023 10:41 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 1:03:09 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 20/06/2023 1:54 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 1:08:55 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 19/06/2023 5:25 am, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 3:12:07 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 19/06/2023 2:38 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 11:16:20 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>> On 18/06/2023 8:32 am, Art Sackman wrote:


    Yes, it bothers me.
    **Then why would you vote Republican? It is the Republicans that fight
    tooth and nail against good, sensible, strong and cohesive gun control
    laws.


    Dems elect soft on crime Soros backed prosecutors who refuse to enforce criminal laws.
    **Prove it. Cite your evidence.

    All you prove with claptrap like this is your own ignorance.

    You rage endlessly over handgun deaths but sit quietly while fentanyl kills
    tens of thousands more and the drugs continue to flow easily through Bidens open borders.

    ScottW

    **A fentanyl death is a self-administered one. You'll note that I have >>>>>> VERY carefully omitted the suicide rate associated with firearms. I am >>>>>> firmly of the belief that any human may choose the timing of their death.
    --


    Self administered, yes
    but not usually a suicide
    **Again: I have no problem with a self-administered death. Fentanyl
    users are well aware of how deadly the stuff is. Same as tobacco,
    alcohol and other drugs.

    Fentanyl is too often sold as a Xanax or other popular prescription.
    It's even showing up in cannabis prodcuts.

    Everyone who dies of fentanyl overdose doesn't know they were getting it. >>>
    ScottW
    **People who buy illegal drugs are no different to smokers. The risks
    are well known and well publicised. IOW: You can't protect people from
    their own stupidity.

    Hmmm, the harm reduction advocates among us will find you a heartless heathen.

    ScottW

    **Heartless, is voting for the criminals who steadfastly follow the
    demands of the NRA.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Mon Jun 19 17:41:52 2023
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 1:03:09 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 20/06/2023 1:54 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 1:08:55 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 19/06/2023 5:25 am, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 3:12:07 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 19/06/2023 2:38 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 11:16:20 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 18/06/2023 8:32 am, Art Sackman wrote:


    Yes, it bothers me.
    **Then why would you vote Republican? It is the Republicans that fight
    tooth and nail against good, sensible, strong and cohesive gun control
    laws.


    Dems elect soft on crime Soros backed prosecutors who refuse to enforce criminal laws.
    **Prove it. Cite your evidence.

    All you prove with claptrap like this is your own ignorance.

    You rage endlessly over handgun deaths but sit quietly while fentanyl kills
    tens of thousands more and the drugs continue to flow easily through Bidens open borders.

    ScottW

    **A fentanyl death is a self-administered one. You'll note that I have >>>> VERY carefully omitted the suicide rate associated with firearms. I am >>>> firmly of the belief that any human may choose the timing of their death.
    --


    Self administered, yes
    but not usually a suicide
    **Again: I have no problem with a self-administered death. Fentanyl
    users are well aware of how deadly the stuff is. Same as tobacco,
    alcohol and other drugs.

    Fentanyl is too often sold as a Xanax or other popular prescription.
    It's even showing up in cannabis prodcuts.

    Everyone who dies of fentanyl overdose doesn't know they were getting it.

    ScottW
    **People who buy illegal drugs are no different to smokers. The risks
    are well known and well publicised. IOW: You can't protect people from
    their own stupidity.

    Hmmm, the harm reduction advocates among us will find you a heartless
    heathen.

    ScottW

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Mon Jun 19 17:56:33 2023
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:49:01 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:

    ScottW
    **Heartless, is voting for the criminals who steadfastly follow the
    demands of the NRA.

    They do what they were elected to do and you call it criminal?

    What kind of fascist dictator wannabe are you?

    ScottW

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Jun 20 11:23:08 2023
    On 20/06/2023 10:56 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:49:01 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:

    ScottW
    **Heartless, is voting for the criminals who steadfastly follow the
    demands of the NRA.

    They do what they were elected to do and you call it criminal?

    **They are not elected to act for the narrow demands of the firearms manufacturers. They are elected by the American people to act in their interests. Acting for a VERY narrow range of lobbyists is criminal.


    What kind of fascist dictator wannabe are you?

    ScottW

    **I'm not. Politicians are elected by the PEOPLE, not by corporations.
    Yet, it is corporations, like the firearms manufacturers, that the
    Republicans act for.


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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Mon Jun 19 18:28:55 2023
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:23:11 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 20/06/2023 10:56 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:49:01 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:

    ScottW
    **Heartless, is voting for the criminals who steadfastly follow the
    demands of the NRA.

    They do what they were elected to do and you call it criminal?
    **They are not elected to act for the narrow demands of the firearms manufacturers. They are elected by the American people to act in their interests.

    But you seem to think you're the decider of "their interests".
    You are not. The voters vote for the candidate they think best represents their interests
    and you have to live with that....or don't. It's up to you.

    ScottW

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Jun 20 11:47:12 2023
    On 20/06/2023 11:28 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:23:11 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 20/06/2023 10:56 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:49:01 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:

    ScottW
    **Heartless, is voting for the criminals who steadfastly follow the
    demands of the NRA.

    They do what they were elected to do and you call it criminal?
    **They are not elected to act for the narrow demands of the firearms
    manufacturers. They are elected by the American people to act in their
    interests.

    But you seem to think you're the decider of "their interests".

    **I'm not, but feel free to explain how a candidate who acts to further
    the interests of a small number of people (the firearms manufacturers)
    is in the interests of the majority of Americans.



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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Mon Jun 19 20:22:26 2023
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 9:47:14 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 20/06/2023 11:28 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:23:11 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 20/06/2023 10:56 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:49:01 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:

    ScottW
    **Heartless, is voting for the criminals who steadfastly follow the >>>> demands of the NRA.

    They do what they were elected to do and you call it criminal?
    **They are not elected to act for the narrow demands of the firearms
    manufacturers. They are elected by the American people to act in their
    interests.

    But you seem to think you're the decider of "their interests".
    **I'm not, but feel free to explain how a candidate who acts to further
    the interests of a small number of people (the firearms manufacturers)
    is in the interests of the majority of Americans.
    --


    Majority of Americans?
    "A recent Politico/Morning Consult poll found that only 24% of voters favor repealing the Second Amendment. While 40% of Democrats said they want to repeal it, only 11% of Republicans and 19% of independents do."

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/fairness-justice/what-does-the-polling-say-about-gun-control\

    https://heartland.org/opinion/survey-public-strongly-rejects-second-amendment-repeal/

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Tue Jun 20 15:11:01 2023
    On 20/06/2023 1:22 pm, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 9:47:14 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 20/06/2023 11:28 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:23:11 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 20/06/2023 10:56 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:49:01 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>
    ScottW
    **Heartless, is voting for the criminals who steadfastly follow the >>>>>> demands of the NRA.

    They do what they were elected to do and you call it criminal?
    **They are not elected to act for the narrow demands of the firearms
    manufacturers. They are elected by the American people to act in their >>>> interests.

    But you seem to think you're the decider of "their interests".
    **I'm not, but feel free to explain how a candidate who acts to further
    the interests of a small number of people (the firearms manufacturers)
    is in the interests of the majority of Americans.
    --


    Majority of Americans?
    "A recent Politico/Morning Consult poll found that only 24% of voters favor repealing the Second Amendment. While 40% of Democrats said they want to repeal it, only 11% of Republicans and 19% of independents do."

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/fairness-justice/what-does-the-polling-say-about-gun-control\

    https://heartland.org/opinion/survey-public-strongly-rejects-second-amendment-repeal/




    **Stricter gun laws do not, necessarily, violate the 2nd. However, the
    majority of Americans wants stronger gun laws:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/


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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Tue Jun 20 08:10:36 2023
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:47:14 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 20/06/2023 11:28 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:23:11 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 20/06/2023 10:56 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:49:01 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:

    ScottW
    **Heartless, is voting for the criminals who steadfastly follow the >>>> demands of the NRA.

    They do what they were elected to do and you call it criminal?
    **They are not elected to act for the narrow demands of the firearms
    manufacturers. They are elected by the American people to act in their
    interests.

    But you seem to think you're the decider of "their interests".
    **I'm not, but feel free to explain how a candidate who acts to further
    the interests of a small number of people (the firearms manufacturers)
    is in the interests of the majority of Americans.

    The majority of Americans want firearms manufacturers to remain in business and vote accordingly.
    And you're being illogical....arguing that used gun sales are too easily made while ignoring that a used gun market doesn't help gun manufacturers business.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Jun 20 12:31:58 2023
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 11:10:37 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:47:14 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 20/06/2023 11:28 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:23:11 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 20/06/2023 10:56 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:49:01 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>
    ScottW
    **Heartless, is voting for the criminals who steadfastly follow the >>>> demands of the NRA.

    They do what they were elected to do and you call it criminal?
    **They are not elected to act for the narrow demands of the firearms
    manufacturers. They are elected by the American people to act in their >> interests.

    But you seem to think you're the decider of "their interests".
    **I'm not, but feel free to explain how a candidate who acts to further the interests of a small number of people (the firearms manufacturers)
    is in the interests of the majority of Americans.
    The majority of Americans want firearms manufacturers to remain in business and vote accordingly.
    And you're being illogical....arguing that used gun sales are too easily made
    while ignoring that a used gun market doesn't help gun manufacturers business.

    ScottW

    You would think the greedy NRA tool of gun manufacturers would OPPOSE
    sales of used guns.

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Jun 21 08:22:08 2023
    On 21/06/2023 1:10 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:47:14 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 20/06/2023 11:28 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:23:11 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 20/06/2023 10:56 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:49:01 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>
    ScottW
    **Heartless, is voting for the criminals who steadfastly follow the >>>>>> demands of the NRA.

    They do what they were elected to do and you call it criminal?
    **They are not elected to act for the narrow demands of the firearms
    manufacturers. They are elected by the American people to act in their >>>> interests.

    But you seem to think you're the decider of "their interests".
    **I'm not, but feel free to explain how a candidate who acts to further
    the interests of a small number of people (the firearms manufacturers)
    is in the interests of the majority of Americans.

    The majority of Americans want firearms manufacturers to remain in business and vote accordingly.

    **Prove it.

    And you're being illogical....arguing that used gun sales are too easily made while ignoring that a used gun market doesn't help gun manufacturers business.

    **Now you're just being an idiot. Ammunition manufacturers benefit,
    regardless of what guns are purchased. Like an automobile, many people
    will sell a firearm in order to fund the purchase of a new firearm. And,
    of course, the big one: So-called 'straw purchases' of guns. It works
    like this:

    A person who is forbidden to own firearms, asks a friend (who is not
    forbidden to purchase firearms) to toddle off to a gun show and buy some firearms for them. It was by this method that the Columbine killers
    obtained some of their weapons. The buyer was not punished. Here in
    Australia, the purchaser would have spent time in jail and would be
    forbidden to purchase firearms forever.


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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Wed Jun 21 08:22:47 2023
    On 21/06/2023 5:31 am, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 11:10:37 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:47:14 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 20/06/2023 11:28 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:23:11 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 20/06/2023 10:56 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:49:01 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>
    ScottW
    **Heartless, is voting for the criminals who steadfastly follow the >>>>>>> demands of the NRA.

    They do what they were elected to do and you call it criminal?
    **They are not elected to act for the narrow demands of the firearms >>>>> manufacturers. They are elected by the American people to act in their >>>>> interests.

    But you seem to think you're the decider of "their interests".
    **I'm not, but feel free to explain how a candidate who acts to further
    the interests of a small number of people (the firearms manufacturers)
    is in the interests of the majority of Americans.
    The majority of Americans want firearms manufacturers to remain in business >> and vote accordingly.
    And you're being illogical....arguing that used gun sales are too easily made
    while ignoring that a used gun market doesn't help gun manufacturers business.

    ScottW

    You would think the greedy NRA tool of gun manufacturers would OPPOSE
    sales of used guns.

    **Idiot #2 steps up. Read my previous post to idiot #1.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Tue Jun 20 17:34:53 2023
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 3:22:10 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 21/06/2023 1:10 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:47:14 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 20/06/2023 11:28 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:23:11 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 20/06/2023 10:56 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:49:01 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>
    ScottW
    **Heartless, is voting for the criminals who steadfastly follow the >>>>>> demands of the NRA.

    They do what they were elected to do and you call it criminal?
    **They are not elected to act for the narrow demands of the firearms >>>> manufacturers. They are elected by the American people to act in their >>>> interests.

    But you seem to think you're the decider of "their interests".
    **I'm not, but feel free to explain how a candidate who acts to further >> the interests of a small number of people (the firearms manufacturers)
    is in the interests of the majority of Americans.

    The majority of Americans want firearms manufacturers to remain in business
    and vote accordingly.
    **Prove it.
    And you're being illogical....arguing that used gun sales are too easily made
    while ignoring that a used gun market doesn't help gun manufacturers business.
    **Now you're just being an idiot. Ammunition manufacturers benefit,

    Go read what you wrote moron.
    The goal post just crushed your pea brain.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Jun 20 17:45:30 2023
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 8:34:54 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 3:22:10 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 21/06/2023 1:10 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:47:14 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 20/06/2023 11:28 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:23:11 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 20/06/2023 10:56 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:49:01 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>
    ScottW
    **Heartless, is voting for the criminals who steadfastly follow the >>>>>> demands of the NRA.

    They do what they were elected to do and you call it criminal?
    **They are not elected to act for the narrow demands of the firearms >>>> manufacturers. They are elected by the American people to act in their
    interests.

    But you seem to think you're the decider of "their interests".
    **I'm not, but feel free to explain how a candidate who acts to further >> the interests of a small number of people (the firearms manufacturers) >> is in the interests of the majority of Americans.

    The majority of Americans want firearms manufacturers to remain in business
    and vote accordingly.
    **Prove it.
    And you're being illogical....arguing that used gun sales are too easily made
    while ignoring that a used gun market doesn't help gun manufacturers business.
    **Now you're just being an idiot. Ammunition manufacturers benefit,
    Go read what you wrote moron.
    The goal post just crushed your pea brain.

    ScottW

    IN another thread, Steve just pointed out that our prosecution rate
    on an existing Federl purchase law is less than a tenth of a percent.
    Yet Trevor yammers on about needing additional laws.
    we need to enforce the laws we already have.

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Jun 21 10:49:53 2023
    On 21/06/2023 10:34 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 3:22:10 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 21/06/2023 1:10 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:47:14 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 20/06/2023 11:28 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:23:11 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 20/06/2023 10:56 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:49:01 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>
    ScottW
    **Heartless, is voting for the criminals who steadfastly follow the >>>>>>>> demands of the NRA.

    They do what they were elected to do and you call it criminal?
    **They are not elected to act for the narrow demands of the firearms >>>>>> manufacturers. They are elected by the American people to act in their >>>>>> interests.

    But you seem to think you're the decider of "their interests".
    **I'm not, but feel free to explain how a candidate who acts to further >>>> the interests of a small number of people (the firearms manufacturers) >>>> is in the interests of the majority of Americans.

    The majority of Americans want firearms manufacturers to remain in business >>> and vote accordingly.
    **Prove it.
    And you're being illogical....arguing that used gun sales are too easily made
    while ignoring that a used gun market doesn't help gun manufacturers business.
    **Now you're just being an idiot. Ammunition manufacturers benefit,

    Go read what you wrote moron.
    The goal post just crushed your pea brain.

    ScottW

    **Here is the full text of my response (context added) dickhead:

    The majority of Americans want firearms manufacturers to remain in
    business
    and vote accordingly.

    **Prove it.

    And you're being illogical....arguing that used gun sales are too
    easily made
    while ignoring that a used gun market doesn't help gun manufacturers
    business.

    **Now you're just being an idiot. Ammunition manufacturers benefit,
    regardless of what guns are purchased. Like an automobile, many people
    will sell a firearm in order to fund the purchase of a new firearm. And,
    of course, the big one: So-called 'straw purchases' of guns. It works
    like this:

    A person who is forbidden to own firearms, asks a friend (who is not
    forbidden to purchase firearms) to toddle off to a gun show and buy some firearms for them. It was by this method that the Columbine killers
    obtained some of their weapons. The buyer was not punished. Here in
    Australia, the purchaser would have spent time in jail and would be
    forbidden to purchase firearms forever.



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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Tue Jun 20 18:03:24 2023
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 5:49:55 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 21/06/2023 10:34 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 3:22:10 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 21/06/2023 1:10 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:47:14 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 20/06/2023 11:28 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:23:11 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 20/06/2023 10:56 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:49:01 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>
    ScottW
    **Heartless, is voting for the criminals who steadfastly follow the >>>>>>>> demands of the NRA.

    They do what they were elected to do and you call it criminal? >>>>>> **They are not elected to act for the narrow demands of the firearms >>>>>> manufacturers. They are elected by the American people to act in their
    interests.

    But you seem to think you're the decider of "their interests".
    **I'm not, but feel free to explain how a candidate who acts to further >>>> the interests of a small number of people (the firearms manufacturers) >>>> is in the interests of the majority of Americans.

    The majority of Americans want firearms manufacturers to remain in business
    and vote accordingly.
    **Prove it.
    And you're being illogical....arguing that used gun sales are too easily made
    while ignoring that a used gun market doesn't help gun manufacturers business.
    **Now you're just being an idiot. Ammunition manufacturers benefit,



    Go read what you wrote moron.
    The goal post just crushed your pea brain.

    ScottW
    **Here is the full text of my response (context added)

    and the weight of those goalposts continues to grow.

    Oh well, at least we know you're a fan of the weapons industry conglomerate. Vista Outdoor is so happy.

    ScottW

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Jun 21 11:12:40 2023
    On 21/06/2023 11:03 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 5:49:55 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 21/06/2023 10:34 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 3:22:10 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 21/06/2023 1:10 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:47:14 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 20/06/2023 11:28 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:23:11 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>> On 20/06/2023 10:56 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:49:01 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>
    ScottW
    **Heartless, is voting for the criminals who steadfastly follow the >>>>>>>>>> demands of the NRA.

    They do what they were elected to do and you call it criminal? >>>>>>>> **They are not elected to act for the narrow demands of the firearms >>>>>>>> manufacturers. They are elected by the American people to act in their >>>>>>>> interests.

    But you seem to think you're the decider of "their interests".
    **I'm not, but feel free to explain how a candidate who acts to further >>>>>> the interests of a small number of people (the firearms manufacturers) >>>>>> is in the interests of the majority of Americans.

    The majority of Americans want firearms manufacturers to remain in business
    and vote accordingly.
    **Prove it.
    And you're being illogical....arguing that used gun sales are too easily made
    while ignoring that a used gun market doesn't help gun manufacturers business.
    **Now you're just being an idiot. Ammunition manufacturers benefit,



    Go read what you wrote moron.
    The goal post just crushed your pea brain.

    ScottW
    **Here is the full text of my response (context added)

    and the weight of those goalposts continues to grow.

    Oh well, at least we know you're a fan of the weapons industry conglomerate. Vista Outdoor is so happy.

    ScottW

    **Here is the full text of my response (context added) dickhead:

    ---

    The majority of Americans want firearms manufacturers to remain in
    business
    and vote accordingly.

    **Prove it.

    And you're being illogical....arguing that used gun sales are too
    easily made
    while ignoring that a used gun market doesn't help gun manufacturers
    business.

    **Now you're just being an idiot. Ammunition manufacturers benefit,
    regardless of what guns are purchased. Like an automobile, many people
    will sell a firearm in order to fund the purchase of a new firearm. And,
    of course, the big one: So-called 'straw purchases' of guns. It works
    like this:

    A person who is forbidden to own firearms, asks a friend (who is not
    forbidden to purchase firearms) to toddle off to a gun show and buy some firearms for them. It was by this method that the Columbine killers
    obtained some of their weapons. The buyer was not punished. Here in
    Australia, the purchaser would have spent time in jail and would be
    forbidden to purchase firearms forever.

    ---

    You missed my first po
  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Tue Jun 20 21:36:35 2023
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 9:12:43 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 21/06/2023 11:03 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 5:49:55 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 21/06/2023 10:34 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 3:22:10 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 21/06/2023 1:10 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:47:14 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 20/06/2023 11:28 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:23:11 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>> On 20/06/2023 10:56 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:49:01 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:

    ScottW
    **Heartless, is voting for the criminals who steadfastly follow the
    demands of the NRA.

    They do what they were elected to do and you call it criminal? >>>>>>>> **They are not elected to act for the narrow demands of the firearms
    manufacturers. They are elected by the American people to act in their
    interests.

    But you seem to think you're the decider of "their interests". >>>>>> **I'm not, but feel free to explain how a candidate who acts to further
    the interests of a small number of people (the firearms manufacturers)
    is in the interests of the majority of Americans.

    The majority of Americans want firearms manufacturers to remain in business
    and vote accordingly.
    **Prove it.
    And you're being illogical....arguing that used gun sales are too easily made
    while ignoring that a used gun market doesn't help gun manufacturers business.
    **Now you're just being an idiot. Ammunition manufacturers benefit,



    Go read what you wrote moron.
    The goal post just crushed your pea brain.

    ScottW
    **Here is the full text of my response (context added)

    and the weight of those goalposts continues to grow.

    Oh well, at least we know you're a fan of the weapons industry conglomerate.
    Vista Outdoor is so happy.

    ScottW
    **Here is the full text of my response (context added) dickhead:

    ---
    The majority of Americans want firearms manufacturers to remain in
    business
    and vote accordingly.

    **Prove it.

    And you're being illogical....arguing that used gun sales are too
    easily made
    while ignoring that a used gun market doesn't help gun manufacturers
    business.

    **Now you're just being an idiot. Ammunition manufacturers benefit, regardless of what guns are purchased. Like an automobile, many people
    will sell a firearm in order to fund the purchase of a new firearm. And,
    of course, the big one: So-called 'straw purchases' of guns. It works
    like this:

    A person who is forbidden to own firearms, asks a friend (who is not forbidden to purchase firearms) to toddle off to a gun show and buy some firearms for them. It was by this method that the Columbine killers
    obtained some of their weapons. The buyer was not punished. Here in Australia, the purchaser would have spent time in jail and would be forbidden to purchase firearms forever.
    ---
    '

    Our rural and suburban honkies with rifles aren't the big problem.
    In the cities, there are community guns that get passed around.
    Sales are of guns long on the street, many of them have serial numbers filed off.
    probably had ten owners or mode, in the last five years.
    you can pass whatever laws you wish, urban criminals pay absolutely.
    no mind to them.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Tue Jun 20 21:42:20 2023
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 9:12:43 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 21/06/2023 11:03 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 5:49:55 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 21/06/2023 10:34 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 3:22:10 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 21/06/2023 1:10 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:47:14 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 20/06/2023 11:28 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:23:11 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>> On 20/06/2023 10:56 am, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:49:01 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:

    ScottW
    **Heartless, is voting for the criminals who steadfastly follow the
    demands of the NRA.

    They do what they were elected to do and you call it criminal? >>>>>>>> **They are not elected to act for the narrow demands of the firearms
    manufacturers. They are elected by the American people to act in their
    interests.

    But you seem to think you're the decider of "their interests". >>>>>> **I'm not, but feel free to explain how a candidate who acts to further
    the interests of a small number of people (the firearms manufacturers)
    is in the interests of the majority of Americans.

    The majority of Americans want firearms manufacturers to remain in business
    and vote accordingly.
    **Prove it.
    And you're being illogical....arguing that used gun sales are too easily made
    while ignoring that a used gun market doesn't help gun manufacturers business.
    **Now you're just being an idiot. Ammunition manufacturers benefit,



    Go read what you wrote moron.
    The goal post just crushed your pea brain.

    ScottW
    **Here is the full text of my response (context added)

    and the weight of those goalposts continues to grow.

    Oh well, at least we know you're a fan of the weapons industry conglomerate.
    Vista Outdoor is so happy.

    ScottW
    **Here is the full text of my response (context added) dickhead:

    ---
    The majority of Americans want firearms manufacturers to remain in
    business
    and vote accordingly.

    **Prove it.

    And you're being illogical....arguing that used gun sales are too
    easily made
    while ignoring that a used gun market doesn't help gun manufacturers
    business.

    **Now you're just being an idiot. Ammunition manufacturers benefit, regardless of what guns are purchased. Like an automobile, many people
    will sell a firearm in order to fund the purchase of a new firearm. And,
    of course, the big one: So-called 'straw purchases' of guns. It works
    like this:

    A person who is forbidden to own firearms, asks a friend (who is not forbidden to purchase firearms) to toddle off to a gun show and buy some firearms for them. It was by this method that the Columbine killers
    obtained some of their weapons. The buyer was not punished. Here in Australia, the purchaser would have spent time in jail and would be forbidden to purchase firearms forever.
    ---

    You missed my first point:

    PROVE IT.
    --

    we will gladly empty our prisons of surplus violent criminals and ship them off to Sydney.

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