• Worth a read IMO, school choice

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 6 20:04:39 2023
    and out of control public school administrators who, when outed,

    "Shockingly, the school districts that employ these administrators responded not with contrition, but by expressing anger toward AIM for exposing their duplicity. They actually tried to portray themselves as the victim of a set-up, rather than
    acknowledging that AIM had exposed an extremely troubling tendency entrenched within their school administrations."

    https://www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/contributors/2023/02/05/opinion-school-choice-is-the-only-solution-to-whats-wrong-with-public-schools/69861665007/

    ScottW

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 6 21:10:19 2023
    "School choice" is nothing but window dressing for racial segregation.

    The "religious freedom" scam doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Children
    aren't ovine enough to cling to idiotic fairy tales about "god" and "faith". Their evil parents only pretend the students need the "structure" of
    religious indoctrination. What those hypocritical 'rents really want is
    an extra means to control the kids.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to Fascist Flea on Tue Feb 7 03:48:04 2023
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 12:10:20 AM UTC-5, Fascist Flea wrote:
    "School choice" is nothing but window dressing for racial segregation.

    The "religious freedom" scam doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Children
    aren't ovine enough to cling to idiotic fairy tales about "god" and "faith". Their evil parents only pretend the students need the "structure" of religious indoctrination. What those hypocritical 'rents really want is
    an extra means to control the kids.

    You fucking Idiot.
    School choice is necessary in black inner cities. where education has failed black children.
    School choice is a remedy for black children, it is one of the cures for systemic racism.
    It allows black children to escape failed public schools.

    It should be used only where public schools are failing.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Tue Feb 7 10:46:10 2023
    On 2/7/23 5:48 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    School choice is necessary in black inner cities. where education has failed black children.
    School choice is a remedy for black children, it is one of the cures for systemic racism.
    It allows black children to escape failed public schools.

    It should be used only where public schools are failing.

    School choice was the excuse behind Southern segregation academies. It's
    also a mechanism for defunding public schools.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segregation_academy

    Failing public schools do require reform, and school choice is one option.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 7 08:55:41 2023
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 8:46:12 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/7/23 5:48 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    School choice is necessary in black inner cities. where education has failed black children.
    School choice is a remedy for black children, it is one of the cures for systemic racism.
    It allows black children to escape failed public schools.

    It should be used only where public schools are failing.
    School choice was the excuse behind Southern segregation academies. It's
    also a mechanism for defunding public schools.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segregation_academy

    Failing public schools do require reform, and school choice is one option.

    And successful public schools should have no fear of school choice.

    ScottW

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 7 11:13:28 2023
    The Shmoos are on the plod...

    School choice is necessary in black inner cities. where education has failed black children.
    School choice is a remedy for black children, it is one of the cures for systemic racism.
    It allows black children to escape failed public schools.

    Sorry to remind you, but Shmoo scottw has already won this month's self-parody award.

    It should be used only where public schools are failing.

    And successful public schools should have no fear of school choice.

    One question: Are you two dimbulbs just lying for the heck of it (i.e. being good republigoons),
    or are you perhaps deluding yourselves deliberately?

    Your blather about saving children whose schools don't work is
    just self-serving propaganda. The real goals of the racists and theocrats
    who push this Trojan horse are segregation, religious indoctrination,
    and white supremacy.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Feb 7 14:45:45 2023
    On 2/7/23 10:55 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 8:46:12 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/7/23 5:48 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    School choice is necessary in black inner cities. where education has failed black children.
    School choice is a remedy for black children, it is one of the cures for systemic racism.
    It allows black children to escape failed public schools.

    It should be used only where public schools are failing.
    School choice was the excuse behind Southern segregation academies. It's
    also a mechanism for defunding public schools.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segregation_academy

    Failing public schools do require reform, and school choice is one option.

    And successful public schools should have no fear of school choice.

    Except for the prospect of losing funding.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 7 15:58:55 2023
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 11:46:12 AM UTC-5, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/7/23 5:48 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    School choice is necessary in black inner cities. where education has failed black children.
    School choice is a remedy for black children, it is one of the cures for systemic racism.
    It allows black children to escape failed public schools.

    It should be used only where public schools are failing.
    School choice was the excuse behind Southern segregation academies.

    That was then, this is now. The Democratic party was protector of
    the slaveery system. That was then. THis is now.

    It's
    also a mechanism for defunding public schools.

    public schools that have failed, for decades, to effectively teach
    inner city black children SHOULD be defunded. Its a complete waste of money. Private entities can do much better, and usually for less.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segregation_academy


    Failing public schools do require reform, and school choice is one option.

    I don't see any other ones.
    Increasing funding for systemically failed school systems isn't gonna work.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Wed Feb 8 09:16:58 2023
    On 2/7/23 5:58 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 11:46:12 AM UTC-5, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/7/23 5:48 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    School choice is necessary in black inner cities. where education has failed black children.
    School choice is a remedy for black children, it is one of the cures for systemic racism.
    It allows black children to escape failed public schools.

    It should be used only where public schools are failing.
    School choice was the excuse behind Southern segregation academies.

    That was then, this is now. The Democratic party was protector of
    the slaveery system. That was then. THis is now.

    Segregation academies were from the 1950s and I didn't mention political parties.

    It's also a mechanism for defunding public schools.

    public schools that have failed, for decades, to effectively teach
    inner city black children SHOULD be defunded. Its a complete waste of money. Private entities can do much better, and usually for less.

    Yes, there should be alternatives to failing schools. I'm skeptical
    about "usually."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segregation_academy

    Failing public schools do require reform, and school choice is one option.

    I don't see any other ones.

    Texas-style replacement of school administration is another. School
    stays in place, new people running it.

    Increasing funding for systemically failed school systems isn't gonna work.

    That's a religious belief.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 8 07:34:22 2023
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 7:17:00 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:

    Texas-style replacement of school administration is another. School
    stays in place, new people running it.

    Good luck getting that through in dem run states beholding to Teachers (and administrators) unions.

    Increasing funding for systemically failed school systems isn't gonna work.
    That's a religious belief.

    You worship the almighty dollar.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Feb 8 15:28:03 2023
    On 2/8/23 9:34 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 7:17:00 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:

    Texas-style replacement of school administration is another. School
    stays in place, new people running it.

    Good luck getting that through in dem run states beholding to Teachers (and administrators) unions.

    I only live in one state, and it got through here.

    Increasing funding for systemically failed school systems isn't gonna work. >> That's a religious belief.

    You worship the almighty dollar.

    If more money always works for cops, why not for teachers?

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 8 13:51:28 2023
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 1:28:06 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/8/23 9:34 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 7:17:00 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:

    Texas-style replacement of school administration is another. School
    stays in place, new people running it.

    Good luck getting that through in dem run states beholding to Teachers (and administrators) unions.
    I only live in one state, and it got through here.

    Texas is not dem run.

    Increasing funding for systemically failed school systems isn't gonna work.
    That's a religious belief.

    You worship the almighty dollar.
    If more money always works for cops, why not for teachers?

    Who said that?

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Feb 8 16:18:28 2023
    On 2/8/23 3:51 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 1:28:06 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/8/23 9:34 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 7:17:00 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:

    Texas-style replacement of school administration is another. School
    stays in place, new people running it.

    Good luck getting that through in dem run states beholding to Teachers (and administrators) unions.
    I only live in one state, and it got through here.

    Texas is not dem run.

    Well, you implied I was responsible for getting it passed and since I
    don't live in a dem run state, there's not much I can do.

    Increasing funding for systemically failed school systems isn't gonna work.
    That's a religious belief.

    You worship the almighty dollar.
    If more money always works for cops, why not for teachers?

    Who said that?

    Police, most every politician and a "growing share of Americans":

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/26/growing-share-of-americans-say-they-want-more-spending-on-police-in-their-area/

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 8 14:30:07 2023
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 2:18:31 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/8/23 3:51 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 1:28:06 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/8/23 9:34 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 7:17:00 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:

    Texas-style replacement of school administration is another. School
    stays in place, new people running it.

    Good luck getting that through in dem run states beholding to Teachers (and administrators) unions.
    I only live in one state, and it got through here.

    Texas is not dem run.
    Well, you implied I was responsible for getting it passed and since I
    don't live in a dem run state, there's not much I can do.
    Increasing funding for systemically failed school systems isn't gonna work.
    That's a religious belief.

    You worship the almighty dollar.
    If more money always works for cops, why not for teachers?

    Who said that?
    Police, most every politician and a "growing share of Americans":

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/26/growing-share-of-americans-say-they-want-more-spending-on-police-in-their-area/

    Can't find that oh so important..."always works" claim of yours.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to Fascist Flea on Wed Feb 8 15:41:44 2023
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 2:13:29 PM UTC-5, Fascist Flea wrote:
    The Shmoos are on the plod...

    School choice is necessary in black inner cities. where education has failed black children.
    School choice is a remedy for black children, it is one of the cures for systemic racism.
    It allows black children to escape failed public schools.

    Sorry to remind you, but Shmoo scottw has already won this month's self-parody award.

    It should be used only where public schools are failing.

    And successful public schools should have no fear of school choice.

    One question: Are you two dimbulbs just lying for the heck of it (i.e. being good republigoons),
    or are you perhaps deluding yourselves deliberately?

    Your blather about saving children whose schools don't work is
    just self-serving propaganda. The real goals of the racists and theocrats
    who push this Trojan horse are segregation, religious indoctrination,
    and white supremacy.

    Ok, have it your way. The racists and segregationists want black kids to have a quality education and the progressive libs want them to remain uneducated.

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 8 16:52:49 2023
    "Art Sackman" piddled:

    Your blather about saving children whose schools don't work is
    just self-serving propaganda. The real goals of the racists and theocrats who push this Trojan horse are segregation, religious indoctrination,
    and white supremacy.

    Ok, have it your way.

    What's your real name, clod monster?

    The racists and segregationists want black kids to have a quality
    education and the progressive libs want them to remain uneducated.

    Never mind, I found your personal history in picture form.

    Here you were as a schoolchild:
    https://t.ly/7S9l

    Later as a failed yuppie:
    https://t.ly/qGEP

    Finally, your dreamscape self-portrait:
    https://tinyurl.com/2s4xjcd3

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