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    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 9 07:32:19 2023
    "When I say we should freeze the federal budget, that includes social security and medicare".

    Rick Scott on news today explaining his proposal tp best of my recollection, "We pass a defense budget every year. My proposal is to review the federal budget for every program every five years. This is to save these programs, not end them."

    "Joe Biden is a liar."

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Feb 9 10:19:14 2023
    On 2/9/23 9:32 AM, ScottW wrote:
    "When I say we should freeze the federal budget, that includes social security and medicare".

    Rick Scott on news today explaining his proposal tp best of my
    recollection, "We pass a defense budget every year. My proposal is to
    review the federal budget for every program every five years. This
    is to save these programs, not end them."

    "Joe Biden is a liar."

    Scott is lying by changing "In my plan, I suggested the following: All
    federal legislation sunsets in 5 yrs. If a law is worth keeping,
    Congress can pass it again." to 'freeze,' 'review,' and 'save.'

    When you propose to sunset all legislation, that includes SS and Medicare.

    To remind the Senator should he be reading:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunset_provision

    "In public policy, a sunset provision or sunset clause is a measure
    within a statute, regulation or other law that provides for the law to
    cease to be effective after a specified date, unless further legislative
    action is taken to extend it. Unlike most laws that remain in force indefinitely unless they are amended or repealed, sunset provisions have
    a specified expiration date."

    If you don't want SS to end, don't make it subject to a vote for renewal.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 9 08:39:52 2023
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 8:19:16 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/9/23 9:32 AM, ScottW wrote:
    "When I say we should freeze the federal budget, that includes social security and medicare".

    Rick Scott on news today explaining his proposal tp best of my recollection, "We pass a defense budget every year. My proposal is to review the federal budget for every program every five years. This
    is to save these programs, not end them."

    "Joe Biden is a liar."
    Scott is lying by changing "In my plan, I suggested the following: All federal legislation sunsets in 5 yrs. If a law is worth keeping,
    Congress can pass it again." to 'freeze,' 'review,' and 'save.'

    And there ya go. Doesn't mean eliminate.

    When congress and Reagan passed Social Security Amendment in '83,
    do you think it would not have been a good idea to force congress to revisit
    it in five years?
    Instead they heisted all the money and nobody blinked until now...when they could really use that money...and don't have it.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Feb 9 11:06:52 2023
    On 2/9/23 10:39 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 8:19:16 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/9/23 9:32 AM, ScottW wrote:
    "When I say we should freeze the federal budget, that includes social
    security and medicare".

    Rick Scott on news today explaining his proposal tp best of my
    recollection, "We pass a defense budget every year. My proposal is to
    review the federal budget for every program every five years. This
    is to save these programs, not end them."

    "Joe Biden is a liar."
    Scott is lying by changing "In my plan, I suggested the following: All
    federal legislation sunsets in 5 yrs. If a law is worth keeping,
    Congress can pass it again." to 'freeze,' 'review,' and 'save.'

    And there ya go. Doesn't mean eliminate.

    You snipped the definition that showed it does mean eliminate, for a
    "law to cease to be effective after a specified date."

    When congress and Reagan passed Social Security Amendment in '83,
    do you think it would not have been a good idea to force congress to revisit it in five years?

    A terrible idea for the uncertainty it would create.

    Instead they heisted all the money and nobody blinked until now...when they could really use that money...and don't have it.
    Yes, it would have been better to reverse Reagan's plundering of the
    Social Security fund surplus, but a Congress that allowed it to begin
    with and a president who campaigned on "read my lips" weren't likely to
    fix it.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 9 09:39:32 2023
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 9:06:56 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/9/23 10:39 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 8:19:16 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/9/23 9:32 AM, ScottW wrote:
    "When I say we should freeze the federal budget, that includes social
    security and medicare".

    Rick Scott on news today explaining his proposal tp best of my
    recollection, "We pass a defense budget every year. My proposal is to
    review the federal budget for every program every five years. This
    is to save these programs, not end them."

    "Joe Biden is a liar."
    Scott is lying by changing "In my plan, I suggested the following: All
    federal legislation sunsets in 5 yrs. If a law is worth keeping,
    Congress can pass it again." to 'freeze,' 'review,' and 'save.'

    And there ya go. Doesn't mean eliminate.
    You snipped the definition that showed it does mean eliminate, for a
    "law to cease to be effective after a specified date."

    unless renewed. But you knew that and your partisan integrity is
    messing with your cortex...again.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Feb 9 13:33:29 2023
    On 2/9/23 11:39 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 9:06:56 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/9/23 10:39 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 8:19:16 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/9/23 9:32 AM, ScottW wrote:
    "When I say we should freeze the federal budget, that includes social >>>>> security and medicare".

    Rick Scott on news today explaining his proposal tp best of my
    recollection, "We pass a defense budget every year. My proposal is to >>>>> review the federal budget for every program every five years. This
    is to save these programs, not end them."

    "Joe Biden is a liar."
    Scott is lying by changing "In my plan, I suggested the following: All >>>> federal legislation sunsets in 5 yrs. If a law is worth keeping,
    Congress can pass it again." to 'freeze,' 'review,' and 'save.'

    And there ya go. Doesn't mean eliminate.
    You snipped the definition that showed it does mean eliminate, for a
    "law to cease to be effective after a specified date."

    unless renewed. But you knew that and your partisan integrity is
    messing with your cortex...again.

    That means inaction or obstruction leads to elimination. If you want to preserve something, you don't put it on the chopping block and challenge someone to rescue it.

    Also, by reading Scott in such a narrow way you ignore that he actually
    wants to eliminate SS by privatizing it.

    And if we give Scott a pass, there's still Lee, Johnson and the
    Republican Study Committee.

    https://thehill.com/policy/finance/3850036-republicans-social-security-medicare-debt-ceiling/

    Johnson would "sunset" it annually by putting it in the regular budget.

    Republicans are for ending Social Security as a socialist entitlement
    but hide behind word play to avoid the political cost of opposing a
    popular program.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 9 11:33:21 2023
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:06:56 PM UTC-5, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/9/23 10:39 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 8:19:16 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/9/23 9:32 AM, ScottW wrote:
    "When I say we should freeze the federal budget, that includes social
    security and medicare".

    Rick Scott on news today explaining his proposal tp best of my
    recollection, "We pass a defense budget every year. My proposal is to
    review the federal budget for every program every five years. This
    is to save these programs, not end them."

    "Joe Biden is a liar."
    Scott is lying by changing "In my plan, I suggested the following: All
    federal legislation sunsets in 5 yrs. If a law is worth keeping,
    Congress can pass it again." to 'freeze,' 'review,' and 'save.'

    And there ya go. Doesn't mean eliminate.
    You snipped the definition that showed it does mean eliminate, for a
    "law to cease to be effective after a specified date."
    When congress and Reagan passed Social Security Amendment in '83,
    do you think it would not have been a good idea to force congress to revisit
    it in five years?
    A terrible idea for the uncertainty it would create.
    Instead they heisted all the money and nobody blinked until now...when they could really use that money...and don't have it.
    Yes, it would have been better to reverse Reagan's plundering of the
    Social Security fund surplus, but a Congress that allowed it to begin
    with and a president who campaigned on "read my lips" weren't likely to
    fix it.\\

    It was a sunset for ALL laws, not just SS and Medicare. But I agree, not a good idea.
    Too much work to go back and re-authorize every single Federal law every five years.
    And that would include sunsetting a lot of other laws that you would not want to happen. Not just SS
    And that would include sunsetting a different batch of other laws that I would not want to happen.
    Piss us BOTH off

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Thu Feb 9 14:57:20 2023
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 11:33:37 AM UTC-8, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:06:56 PM UTC-5, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/9/23 10:39 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 8:19:16 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/9/23 9:32 AM, ScottW wrote:
    "When I say we should freeze the federal budget, that includes social >>> security and medicare".

    Rick Scott on news today explaining his proposal tp best of my
    recollection, "We pass a defense budget every year. My proposal is to >>> review the federal budget for every program every five years. This
    is to save these programs, not end them."

    "Joe Biden is a liar."
    Scott is lying by changing "In my plan, I suggested the following: All >> federal legislation sunsets in 5 yrs. If a law is worth keeping,
    Congress can pass it again." to 'freeze,' 'review,' and 'save.'

    And there ya go. Doesn't mean eliminate.
    You snipped the definition that showed it does mean eliminate, for a
    "law to cease to be effective after a specified date."
    When congress and Reagan passed Social Security Amendment in '83,
    do you think it would not have been a good idea to force congress to revisit
    it in five years?
    A terrible idea for the uncertainty it would create.
    Instead they heisted all the money and nobody blinked until now...when they
    could really use that money...and don't have it.
    Yes, it would have been better to reverse Reagan's plundering of the
    Social Security fund surplus, but a Congress that allowed it to begin
    with and a president who campaigned on "read my lips" weren't likely to
    fix it.\\

    It was a sunset for ALL laws, not just SS and Medicare.

    Not all laws. All programs that require funding. Criminal statutes etc.
    are not included.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Fri Feb 10 09:28:30 2023
    On 2/9/23 1:33 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:06:56 PM UTC-5, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/9/23 10:39 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 8:19:16 AM UTC-8, MINe109
    wrote:
    On 2/9/23 9:32 AM, ScottW wrote:
    "When I say we should freeze the federal budget, that
    includes social security and medicare".

    Rick Scott on news today explaining his proposal tp best of
    my recollection, "We pass a defense budget every year. My
    proposal is to review the federal budget for every program
    every five years. This is to save these programs, not end
    them."

    "Joe Biden is a liar."
    Scott is lying by changing "In my plan, I suggested the
    following: All federal legislation sunsets in 5 yrs. If a law
    is worth keeping, Congress can pass it again." to 'freeze,'
    'review,' and 'save.'

    And there ya go. Doesn't mean eliminate.
    You snipped the definition that showed it does mean eliminate, for
    a "law to cease to be effective after a specified date."

    It was a sunset for ALL laws, not just SS and Medicare.

    Indeed. That doesn't *exclude* them, of course.

    But I agree, not a good idea.Too much work to go back and
    re-authorize every single Federal law every five years. And that
    would include sunsetting a lot of other laws that you would not want
    to happen. Not just SS And that would include sunsetting a different
    batch of other laws that I would not want to happen. Piss us BOTH
    off

    We can't do an annual budget now. It would be worse if every line of
    every law was up for renegotiation under threat of sunset. Surely there
    would be an unworkable amount of legislative time required.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Feb 10 09:37:49 2023
    On 2/9/23 4:57 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 11:33:37 AM UTC-8, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:06:56 PM UTC-5, mINE109 wrote:

    Yes, it would have been better to reverse Reagan's plundering of the
    Social Security fund surplus, but a Congress that allowed it to begin
    with and a president who campaigned on "read my lips" weren't likely to
    fix it.\\

    It was a sunset for ALL laws, not just SS and Medicare.

    Not all laws. All programs that require funding. Criminal statutes etc.
    are not included.

    Social Security isn't funded by the annual budget, so Johnson's proposal
    would be a radical change.

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