• Found a graphic for Stephen

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 15 16:40:39 2023
    https://pjmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/couldnt-find-voter-fraud-because-768x566-1.jpg

    Meanwhile some typical citizens have managed to find their way in front of the supremes and they will decide if they will hear the case or not...again.

    https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/scotus-reconsider-hearing-2020-election-case-against-biden-harris-pence

    Mildly interesting case that would be a lot more interesting if SCOTUS decides to hear it. Doesn't allege 2020 was fraudulent, just that Congress was derelict in refusing to see if there was fraud.
    I agree with the premise. Most courts impede investigations that can't be completed before certification is required and they sure as hell won't touch a certified election result. So it's the perfect crime.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Feb 16 09:42:48 2023
    On 2/15/23 6:40 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://pjmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/couldnt-find-voter-fraud-because-768x566-1.jpg

    Meanwhile some typical citizens have managed to find their way in
    front of the supremes and they will decide if they will hear the case
    or not...again.

    Meanwhile? Changing the subject before you're even identified the first one?

    https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/scotus-reconsider-hearing-2020-election-case-against-biden-harris-pence

    Mildly interesting case that would be a lot more interesting if
    SCOTUS decides to hear it. Doesn't allege 2020 was fraudulent, just
    that Congress was derelict in refusing to see if there was fraud. I
    agree with the premise. Most courts impede investigations that can't
    be completed before certification is required and they sure as hell
    won't touch a certified election result. So it's the perfect crime.

    That's nuts and a reasonable SCOTUS would have nothing to do with it.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 16 09:25:40 2023
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 7:42:51 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/15/23 6:40 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://pjmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/couldnt-find-voter-fraud-because-768x566-1.jpg

    Meanwhile some typical citizens have managed to find their way in
    front of the supremes and they will decide if they will hear the case
    or not...again.
    Meanwhile? Changing the subject before you're even identified the first one?
    https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/scotus-reconsider-hearing-2020-election-case-against-biden-harris-pence

    Mildly interesting case that would be a lot more interesting if
    SCOTUS decides to hear it. Doesn't allege 2020 was fraudulent, just
    that Congress was derelict in refusing to see if there was fraud. I
    agree with the premise. Most courts impede investigations that can't
    be completed before certification is required and they sure as hell
    won't touch a certified election result. So it's the perfect crime.
    That's nuts and a reasonable SCOTUS would have nothing to do with it.

    I would bet they won't touch it, but it just goes to the point that there is no means to correct a fraudulent election.
    Therefore, no fraud or even the possibility of fraud can be tolerated.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Feb 16 11:44:09 2023
    On 2/16/23 11:25 AM, ScottW wrote:

    That's nuts and a reasonable SCOTUS would have nothing to do with
    it.

    I would bet they won't touch it, but it just goes to the point that
    there is no means to correct a fraudulent election.

    Impeachment. Expulsion.

    Therefore, no fraud or even the possibility of fraud can be tolerated.

    The "possibility of fraud" is an impossible standard.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 16 10:51:47 2023
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 9:44:12 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/16/23 11:25 AM, ScottW wrote:

    That's nuts and a reasonable SCOTUS would have nothing to do with
    it.

    I would bet they won't touch it, but it just goes to the point that
    there is no means to correct a fraudulent election.
    Impeachment. Expulsion.

    LoL.... You are truly delusional.

    Therefore, no fraud or even the possibility of fraud can be tolerated.

    The "possibility of fraud" is an impossible standard.

    It's a goal we have to strive for. You sit on your ass and keep saying
    no evidence of fraud. You stand in front of a breech in the dikes
    and say no flood yet.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Feb 16 13:34:19 2023
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 7:40:40 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    https://pjmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/couldnt-find-voter-fraud-because-768x566-1.jpg

    Meanwhile some typical citizens have managed to find their way in front of the supremes and they will decide if they will hear the case or not...again.

    https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/scotus-reconsider-hearing-2020-election-case-against-biden-harris-pence

    Mildly interesting case that would be a lot more interesting if SCOTUS decides to hear it. Doesn't allege 2020 was fraudulent, just that Congress was derelict in refusing to see if there was fraud.
    I agree with the premise. Most courts impede investigations that can't be completed before certification is required and they sure as hell won't touch a certified election result. So it's the perfect crime.

    ScottW

    Can we turn that into a Zen Diagram? Steve loves Zen diagrams

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Thu Feb 16 14:03:55 2023
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 1:34:20 PM UTC-8, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 7:40:40 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    https://pjmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/couldnt-find-voter-fraud-because-768x566-1.jpg

    Meanwhile some typical citizens have managed to find their way in front of the supremes and they will decide if they will hear the case or not...again.

    https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/scotus-reconsider-hearing-2020-election-case-against-biden-harris-pence

    Mildly interesting case that would be a lot more interesting if SCOTUS decides to hear it. Doesn't allege 2020 was fraudulent, just that Congress was derelict in refusing to see if there was fraud.
    I agree with the premise. Most courts impede investigations that can't be completed before certification is required and they sure as hell won't touch a certified election result. So it's the perfect crime.

    ScottW
    Can we turn that into a Zen Diagram? Steve loves Zen diagrams

    I found a Zen of all Venn diagrams. Closest I can get.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Feb 16 16:07:54 2023
    On 2/16/23 12:51 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 9:44:12 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/16/23 11:25 AM, ScottW wrote:

    That's nuts and a reasonable SCOTUS would have nothing to do
    with it.

    I would bet they won't touch it, but it just goes to the point
    that there is no means to correct a fraudulent election.
    Impeachment. Expulsion.

    LoL.... You are truly delusional.

    Gaslighting again. Those methods are available should an election be
    proven bad.

    Therefore, no fraud or even the possibility of fraud can be
    tolerated.

    The "possibility of fraud" is an impossible standard.

    It's a goal we have to strive for.

    No, it isn't. Isolated, statistically absent and without consequence is
    fine.

    You sit on your ass and keep saying no evidence of fraud. You stand
    in front of a breech in the dikes and say no flood yet.

    Because there's no evidence of fraud on any meaningful level, you want
    to lower the bar to include meaningless fraud.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 16 14:20:55 2023
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:07:57 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/16/23 12:51 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 9:44:12 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/16/23 11:25 AM, ScottW wrote:

    That's nuts and a reasonable SCOTUS would have nothing to do
    with it.

    I would bet they won't touch it, but it just goes to the point
    that there is no means to correct a fraudulent election.
    Impeachment. Expulsion.

    LoL.... You are truly delusional.
    Gaslighting again. Those methods are available should an election be
    proven bad.

    Yet we already see from the local boards responsible all they way up to the victor.....that is not going to be allowed to happen.
    Admitting a major election outcome was fraudulent would too harmful
    to too many to ever be allowed proven.
    They (and you) have already taken to declaring anyone who even raises the question,
    an "election denier".
    Therefore, no fraud or even the possibility of fraud can be
    tolerated.

    The "possibility of fraud" is an impossible standard.

    It's a goal we have to strive for.
    No, it isn't. Isolated, statistically absent and without consequence is
    fine.

    And all fraud will always be found to be that way. No matter the truth of it.

    For the good of the country we need to maintain confidence in our elections.
    No matter what.

    That's Stephen's lie of the century. I immortalize you with it.


    You sit on your ass and keep saying no evidence of fraud. You stand
    in front of a breech in the dikes and say no flood yet.
    Because there's no evidence of fraud on any meaningful level, you want
    to lower the bar to include meaningless fraud.

    Damn right. I want the means to detect and eliminate any amount of election fraud
    eliminated before it becomes "meaningful".

    You're the guy they wrote the diagram for.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Feb 16 16:48:57 2023
    On 2/16/23 4:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:07:57 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/16/23 12:51 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 9:44:12 AM UTC-8, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 2/16/23 11:25 AM, ScottW wrote:

    That's nuts and a reasonable SCOTUS would have nothing to
    do with it.

    I would bet they won't touch it, but it just goes to the
    point that there is no means to correct a fraudulent
    election.
    Impeachment. Expulsion.

    LoL.... You are truly delusional.
    Gaslighting again. Those methods are available should an election
    be proven bad.

    Yet we already see from the local boards responsible all they way up
    to the victor.....that is not going to be allowed to happen.
    Admitting a major election outcome was fraudulent would too harmful
    to too many to ever be allowed proven. They (and you) have already
    taken to declaring anyone who even raises the question, an "election
    denier".

    That's what happens when "election deniers" are given free rein to cry wolf.

    Therefore, no fraud or even the possibility of fraud can be
    tolerated.

    The "possibility of fraud" is an impossible standard.

    It's a goal we have to strive for.
    No, it isn't. Isolated, statistically absent and without
    consequence is fine.

    And all fraud will always be found to be that way. No matter the
    truth of it.

    What does that even mean?

    For the good of the country we need to maintain confidence in our
    elections. No matter what.

    That's Stephen's lie of the century. I immortalize you with it.

    No, it's Trump's Big Lie.

    You sit on your ass and keep saying no evidence of fraud. You
    stand in front of a breech in the dikes and say no flood yet.
    Because there's no evidence of fraud on any meaningful level, you
    want to lower the bar to include meaningless fraud.

    Damn right. I want the means to detect and eliminate any amount of
    election fraud eliminated before it becomes "meaningful".

    Congrats. We're there and have been for decades.

    You're the guy they wrote the diagram for.

    Oh, yeah. What was that again? I didn't look.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 17 09:18:52 2023
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:48:59 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/16/23 4:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:07:57 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/16/23 12:51 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 9:44:12 AM UTC-8, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 2/16/23 11:25 AM, ScottW wrote:

    That's nuts and a reasonable SCOTUS would have nothing to
    do with it.

    I would bet they won't touch it, but it just goes to the
    point that there is no means to correct a fraudulent
    election.
    Impeachment. Expulsion.

    LoL.... You are truly delusional.
    Gaslighting again. Those methods are available should an election
    be proven bad.

    Yet we already see from the local boards responsible all they way up
    to the victor.....that is not going to be allowed to happen.
    Admitting a major election outcome was fraudulent would too harmful
    to too many to ever be allowed proven. They (and you) have already
    taken to declaring anyone who even raises the question, an "election denier".
    That's what happens when "election deniers" are given free rein to cry wolf.

    No, that's what happens when election deniers aren't proven wrong by thorough and rigorous
    investigations.
    That's what happens when gaping holes in election security systems are found but not fixed.

    That's what happens when the only defense you have is it "wasn't election altering" without proof.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Feb 17 10:14:15 2023
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 5:03:57 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 1:34:20 PM UTC-8, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 7:40:40 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    https://pjmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/couldnt-find-voter-fraud-because-768x566-1.jpg

    Meanwhile some typical citizens have managed to find their way in front of the supremes and they will decide if they will hear the case or not...again.

    https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/scotus-reconsider-hearing-2020-election-case-against-biden-harris-pence

    Mildly interesting case that would be a lot more interesting if SCOTUS decides to hear it. Doesn't allege 2020 was fraudulent, just that Congress was derelict in refusing to see if there was fraud.
    I agree with the premise. Most courts impede investigations that can't be completed before certification is required and they sure as hell won't touch a certified election result. So it's the perfect crime.

    ScottW
    Can we turn that into a Zen Diagram? Steve loves Zen diagrams
    I found a Zen of all Venn diagrams. Closest I can get.

    ScottW

    Here is a Zen Diagram

    https://cdn-shop.threadless.com/subs/big/276074.jpg

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Feb 17 14:01:03 2023
    On 2/17/23 11:18 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:48:59 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/16/23 4:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:07:57 PM UTC-8, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 2/16/23 12:51 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 9:44:12 AM UTC-8, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 2/16/23 11:25 AM, ScottW wrote:

    That's nuts and a reasonable SCOTUS would have nothing
    to do with it.

    I would bet they won't touch it, but it just goes to the
    point that there is no means to correct a fraudulent
    election.
    Impeachment. Expulsion.

    LoL.... You are truly delusional.
    Gaslighting again. Those methods are available should an
    election be proven bad.

    Yet we already see from the local boards responsible all they way
    up to the victor.....that is not going to be allowed to happen.
    Admitting a major election outcome was fraudulent would too
    harmful to too many to ever be allowed proven. They (and you)
    have already taken to declaring anyone who even raises the
    question, an "election denier".
    That's what happens when "election deniers" are given free rein to
    cry wolf.

    No, that's what happens when election deniers aren't proven wrong by
    thorough and rigorous investigations. That's what happens when gaping
    holes in election security systems are found but not fixed.

    As the Arizona judge put it, "untethered assertions of uncertainty," you
    mean.

    That's what happens when the only defense you have is it "wasn't
    election altering" without proof.

    Not the only defense: it was not only not election altering, it was predominantly non-existent.

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 17 13:25:20 2023
    mINE109 wrote:

    That's what happens when the only defense you have is it "wasn't
    election altering" without proof.
    Not the only defense: it was not only not election altering, it was predominantly non-existent.

    Also "forgotten" by Shmoodom is the documented fact that 97%
    of all ACTUAL election fraud was committed by republigoons.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to Fascist Flea on Fri Feb 17 15:54:58 2023
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 4:25:21 PM UTC-5, Fascist Flea wrote:
    mINE109 wrote:

    That's what happens when the only defense you have is it "wasn't
    election altering" without proof.
    Not the only defense: it was not only not election altering, it was predominantly non-existent.

    Also "forgotten" by Shmoodom is the documented fact that 97%
    of all ACTUAL election fraud was committed by republigoons.

    For all of your relentless postings here, you have never documented one fact. You very rarely post links, and then, only to cartoons

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 17 16:20:34 2023
    The Artless Sack of Crap blithered:

    Also "forgotten" by Shmoodom is the documented fact that 97%
    of all ACTUAL election fraud was committed by republigoons.
    For all of your relentless postings here, you have never documented one fact.

    uh... You didn't know that what I just said was factual? Or are you
    only pretending not to know for the sake of what your tribe
    calls "debate"?

    You very rarely post links, and then, only to cartoons

    Yes, let's revisit the issue of hypocrisy. Well splatted, Sack.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to Fascist Flea on Fri Feb 17 23:26:05 2023
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 7:20:35 PM UTC-5, Fascist Flea wrote:
    The Artless Sack of Crap blithered:

    Also "forgotten" by Shmoodom is the documented fact that 97%
    of all ACTUAL election fraud was committed by republigoons.
    For all of your relentless postings here, you have never documented one fact.

    uh... You didn't know that what I just said was factual? Or are you
    only pretending not to know for the sake of what your tribe
    calls "debate"?
    You very rarely post links, and then, only to cartoons
    Yes, let's revisit the issue of hypocrisy. Well splatted, Sack.

    100% of Fascist fleas are degenerative idiots. That is a fact.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 18 08:11:08 2023
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 12:01:06 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/17/23 11:18 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:48:59 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/16/23 4:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:07:57 PM UTC-8, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 2/16/23 12:51 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 9:44:12 AM UTC-8, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 2/16/23 11:25 AM, ScottW wrote:

    That's nuts and a reasonable SCOTUS would have nothing
    to do with it.

    I would bet they won't touch it, but it just goes to the
    point that there is no means to correct a fraudulent
    election.
    Impeachment. Expulsion.

    LoL.... You are truly delusional.
    Gaslighting again. Those methods are available should an
    election be proven bad.

    Yet we already see from the local boards responsible all they way
    up to the victor.....that is not going to be allowed to happen.
    Admitting a major election outcome was fraudulent would too
    harmful to too many to ever be allowed proven. They (and you)
    have already taken to declaring anyone who even raises the
    question, an "election denier".
    That's what happens when "election deniers" are given free rein to
    cry wolf.

    No, that's what happens when election deniers aren't proven wrong by thorough and rigorous investigations. That's what happens when gaping
    holes in election security systems are found but not fixed.
    As the Arizona judge put it, "untethered assertions of uncertainty," you mean.

    My uncertainty is untethered because they've never fully explained exactly what happened to the printers. And why select areas were more affected than others.

    That's what happens when the only defense you have is it "wasn't
    election altering" without proof.
    Not the only defense: it was not only not election altering, it was predominantly non-existent.

    and I refer you to back to the diagram.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Feb 18 10:59:41 2023
    On 2/18/23 10:11 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 12:01:06 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/17/23 11:18 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:48:59 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/16/23 4:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:07:57 PM UTC-8, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 2/16/23 12:51 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 9:44:12 AM UTC-8, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 2/16/23 11:25 AM, ScottW wrote:

    That's nuts and a reasonable SCOTUS would have nothing
    to do with it.

    I would bet they won't touch it, but it just goes to the
    point that there is no means to correct a fraudulent
    election.
    Impeachment. Expulsion.

    LoL.... You are truly delusional.
    Gaslighting again. Those methods are available should an
    election be proven bad.

    Yet we already see from the local boards responsible all they way
    up to the victor.....that is not going to be allowed to happen.
    Admitting a major election outcome was fraudulent would too
    harmful to too many to ever be allowed proven. They (and you)
    have already taken to declaring anyone who even raises the
    question, an "election denier".
    That's what happens when "election deniers" are given free rein to
    cry wolf.

    No, that's what happens when election deniers aren't proven wrong by
    thorough and rigorous investigations. That's what happens when gaping
    holes in election security systems are found but not fixed.
    As the Arizona judge put it, "untethered assertions of uncertainty," you
    mean.

    My uncertainty is untethered because they've never fully explained exactly what
    happened to the printers. And why select areas were more affected than others.

    The printers were misconfigured, then reconfigured and mistakes don't
    happen uniformly. More mistakes where there was more voting?

    Not to worry, votes were not lost and the Maricopa County Board of
    Supervisors is on the case.

    https://apnews.com/article/arizona-382b28400bd7de1a4acd0b793bf48a8c

    https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-arizona-katie-hobbs-2a1ef57c4902c8460eaee8ec0bc394d6

    Kari Lake's suit was tossed, with the judge saying, “The Court cannot
    accept speculation or conjecture in place of clear and convincing
    evidence.”

    That's what happens when the only defense you have is it "wasn't
    election altering" without proof.
    Not the only defense: it was not only not election altering, it was
    predominantly non-existent.

    and I refer you to back to the diagram.

    The Zen diagram? I refer you to the epistemic bubble.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 18 10:09:23 2023
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 8:59:43 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/18/23 10:11 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 12:01:06 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/17/23 11:18 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:48:59 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/16/23 4:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:07:57 PM UTC-8, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 2/16/23 12:51 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 9:44:12 AM UTC-8, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 2/16/23 11:25 AM, ScottW wrote:

    That's nuts and a reasonable SCOTUS would have nothing
    to do with it.

    I would bet they won't touch it, but it just goes to the
    point that there is no means to correct a fraudulent
    election.
    Impeachment. Expulsion.

    LoL.... You are truly delusional.
    Gaslighting again. Those methods are available should an
    election be proven bad.

    Yet we already see from the local boards responsible all they way
    up to the victor.....that is not going to be allowed to happen.
    Admitting a major election outcome was fraudulent would too
    harmful to too many to ever be allowed proven. They (and you)
    have already taken to declaring anyone who even raises the
    question, an "election denier".
    That's what happens when "election deniers" are given free rein to
    cry wolf.

    No, that's what happens when election deniers aren't proven wrong by
    thorough and rigorous investigations. That's what happens when gaping
    holes in election security systems are found but not fixed.
    As the Arizona judge put it, "untethered assertions of uncertainty," you >> mean.

    My uncertainty is untethered because they've never fully explained exactly what
    happened to the printers. And why select areas were more affected than others.
    The printers were misconfigured, then reconfigured and mistakes don't
    happen uniformly. More mistakes where there was more voting?

    Oh...that's explains everything.

    Seriously....how stupid are you?

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Feb 18 15:43:06 2023
    On 2/18/23 12:09 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 8:59:43 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/18/23 10:11 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 12:01:06 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/17/23 11:18 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:48:59 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/16/23 4:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:07:57 PM UTC-8, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 2/16/23 12:51 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 9:44:12 AM UTC-8, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 2/16/23 11:25 AM, ScottW wrote:

    No, that's what happens when election deniers aren't proven wrong by >>>>> thorough and rigorous investigations. That's what happens when gaping >>>>> holes in election security systems are found but not fixed.
    As the Arizona judge put it, "untethered assertions of uncertainty," you >>>> mean.

    My uncertainty is untethered because they've never fully explained exactly what
    happened to the printers. And why select areas were more affected than others.
    The printers were misconfigured, then reconfigured and mistakes don't
    happen uniformly. More mistakes where there was more voting?

    Oh...that's explains everything.

    You invited speculation about the distribution of the errors. We know
    how you dislike anything fanciful.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 19 17:27:20 2023
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 1:43:09 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/18/23 12:09 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 8:59:43 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/18/23 10:11 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 12:01:06 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/17/23 11:18 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:48:59 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 2/16/23 4:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:07:57 PM UTC-8, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 2/16/23 12:51 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 9:44:12 AM UTC-8, mINE109 >>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On 2/16/23 11:25 AM, ScottW wrote:

    No, that's what happens when election deniers aren't proven wrong by >>>>> thorough and rigorous investigations. That's what happens when gaping >>>>> holes in election security systems are found but not fixed.
    As the Arizona judge put it, "untethered assertions of uncertainty," you >>>> mean.

    My uncertainty is untethered because they've never fully explained exactly what
    happened to the printers. And why select areas were more affected than others.
    The printers were misconfigured, then reconfigured and mistakes don't
    happen uniformly. More mistakes where there was more voting?

    Oh...that's explains everything.
    You invited speculation about the distribution of the errors. We know
    how you dislike anything fanciful.

    I'm laughing at your explanation of misconfigured and reconfigured as valid. This for a process that was supposed to be validated by testing and not changed on the fly.
    Maybe we need a chain of custody for the printers now too.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Feb 20 10:09:30 2023
    On 2/19/23 7:27 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 1:43:09 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/18/23 12:09 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 8:59:43 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/18/23 10:11 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 12:01:06 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/17/23 11:18 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:48:59 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2/16/23 4:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:07:57 PM UTC-8, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 2/16/23 12:51 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 9:44:12 AM UTC-8, mINE109 >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On 2/16/23 11:25 AM, ScottW wrote:

    No, that's what happens when election deniers aren't proven wrong by >>>>>>> thorough and rigorous investigations. That's what happens when gaping >>>>>>> holes in election security systems are found but not fixed.
    As the Arizona judge put it, "untethered assertions of uncertainty," you >>>>>> mean.

    My uncertainty is untethered because they've never fully explained exactly what
    happened to the printers. And why select areas were more affected than others.
    The printers were misconfigured, then reconfigured and mistakes don't
    happen uniformly. More mistakes where there was more voting?

    Oh...that's explains everything.
    You invited speculation about the distribution of the errors. We know
    how you dislike anything fanciful.

    I'm laughing at your explanation of misconfigured and reconfigured as valid.

    Mistakes happen.

    This for a process that was supposed to be validated by testing and not changed on the fly.
    Maybe we need a chain of custody for the printers now too.

    A three-judge panel unanimously rejected the concerns you presumably
    share with Kari Lake:

    OPINION

    Chief Judge Kent E. Cattani delivered the opinion of the Court, in which Presiding Judge Maria Elena Cruz and Judge Peter B. Swann1 joined.

    Kari Lake appeals the Maricopa County Superior Court’s ruling rejecting
    her request to set aside Katie Hobbs’s 17,117 vote win in Arizona’s 2022 gubernatorial election. Lake’s arguments highlight election- day difficulties, but her request for relief fails because the evidence
    presented to the superior court ultimately supports the court’s
    conclusion that voters were able to cast their ballots, that votes were
    counted correctly, and that no other basis justifies setting aside the
    election results. Accordingly, we affirm.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 20 16:30:43 2023
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 8:09:32 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/19/23 7:27 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 1:43:09 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/18/23 12:09 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 8:59:43 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/18/23 10:11 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 12:01:06 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 2/17/23 11:18 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:48:59 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2/16/23 4:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:07:57 PM UTC-8, mINE109 >>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On 2/16/23 12:51 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 9:44:12 AM UTC-8, mINE109 >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On 2/16/23 11:25 AM, ScottW wrote:

    No, that's what happens when election deniers aren't proven wrong by >>>>>>> thorough and rigorous investigations. That's what happens when gaping
    holes in election security systems are found but not fixed.
    As the Arizona judge put it, "untethered assertions of uncertainty," you
    mean.

    My uncertainty is untethered because they've never fully explained exactly what
    happened to the printers. And why select areas were more affected than others.
    The printers were misconfigured, then reconfigured and mistakes don't >>>> happen uniformly. More mistakes where there was more voting?

    Oh...that's explains everything.
    You invited speculation about the distribution of the errors. We know
    how you dislike anything fanciful.

    I'm laughing at your explanation of misconfigured and reconfigured as valid.
    Mistakes happen.
    This for a process that was supposed to be validated by testing and not changed on the fly.
    Maybe we need a chain of custody for the printers now too.
    A three-judge panel unanimously rejected the concerns you presumably
    share with Kari Lake:

    OPINION

    Chief Judge Kent E. Cattani delivered the opinion of the Court, in which Presiding Judge Maria Elena Cruz and Judge Peter B. Swann1 joined.

    Kari Lake appeals the Maricopa County Superior Court’s ruling rejecting her request to set aside Katie Hobbs’s 17,117 vote win in Arizona’s 2022 gubernatorial election. Lake’s arguments highlight election- day difficulties, but her request for relief fails because the evidence presented to the superior court ultimately supports the court’s
    conclusion that voters were able to cast their ballots, that votes were counted correctly, and that no other basis justifies setting aside the election results. Accordingly, we affirm.

    I wonder what you and Stacey would be saying if this shit happened in Atlanta?
    Never mind. I know the answer.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Feb 21 09:46:48 2023
    On 2/20/23 6:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 8:09:32 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

    A three-judge panel unanimously rejected the concerns you presumably
    share with Kari Lake:

    OPINION

    Chief Judge Kent E. Cattani delivered the opinion of the Court, in which
    Presiding Judge Maria Elena Cruz and Judge Peter B. Swann1 joined.

    Kari Lake appeals the Maricopa County Superior Court’s ruling rejecting
    her request to set aside Katie Hobbs’s 17,117 vote win in Arizona’s 2022 >> gubernatorial election. Lake’s arguments highlight election- day
    difficulties, but her request for relief fails because the evidence
    presented to the superior court ultimately supports the court’s
    conclusion that voters were able to cast their ballots, that votes were
    counted correctly, and that no other basis justifies setting aside the
    election results. Accordingly, we affirm.

    I wonder what you and Stacey would be saying if this shit happened in Atlanta?
    Never mind. I know the answer.
    The Georgia stuff was worse: electronic voting machines without a
    paper trail; voter registration purges; Kemp's conflict of interest.

    The actual lawsuit was more specific (absentee ballot provisions,
    oversight of voter rolls and the state’s voter verification rules) but
    failed in the courts.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 21 09:29:45 2023
    On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 7:46:51 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/20/23 6:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 8:09:32 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

    A three-judge panel unanimously rejected the concerns you presumably
    share with Kari Lake:

    OPINION

    Chief Judge Kent E. Cattani delivered the opinion of the Court, in which >> Presiding Judge Maria Elena Cruz and Judge Peter B. Swann1 joined.

    Kari Lake appeals the Maricopa County Superior Court’s ruling rejecting >> her request to set aside Katie Hobbs’s 17,117 vote win in Arizona’s 2022
    gubernatorial election. Lake’s arguments highlight election- day
    difficulties, but her request for relief fails because the evidence
    presented to the superior court ultimately supports the court’s
    conclusion that voters were able to cast their ballots, that votes were >> counted correctly, and that no other basis justifies setting aside the
    election results. Accordingly, we affirm.

    I wonder what you and Stacey would be saying if this shit happened in Atlanta?
    Never mind. I know the answer.
    The Georgia stuff was worse: electronic voting machines without a
    paper trail; voter registration purges; Kemp's conflict of interest.

    Does a voter who left a poll due to long lines and delays leave a paper trail? And what about Hobbs conflict of interest?

    You remain....conflicted.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Feb 21 13:10:26 2023
    On 2/21/23 11:29 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 7:46:51 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/20/23 6:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 8:09:32 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

    A three-judge panel unanimously rejected the concerns you presumably
    share with Kari Lake:

    OPINION

    Chief Judge Kent E. Cattani delivered the opinion of the Court, in which >>>> Presiding Judge Maria Elena Cruz and Judge Peter B. Swann1 joined.

    Kari Lake appeals the Maricopa County Superior Court’s ruling rejecting >>>> her request to set aside Katie Hobbs’s 17,117 vote win in Arizona’s 2022
    gubernatorial election. Lake’s arguments highlight election- day
    difficulties, but her request for relief fails because the evidence
    presented to the superior court ultimately supports the court’s
    conclusion that voters were able to cast their ballots, that votes were >>>> counted correctly, and that no other basis justifies setting aside the >>>> election results. Accordingly, we affirm.

    I wonder what you and Stacey would be saying if this shit happened in Atlanta?
    Never mind. I know the answer.
    The Georgia stuff was worse: electronic voting machines without a
    paper trail; voter registration purges; Kemp's conflict of interest.

    Does a voter who left a poll due to long lines and delays leave a paper trail?

    There can be anecdotal evidence. The Arizona case had good stats showing
    turned away voters voted elsewhere.

    And what about Hobbs conflict of interest?

    I'm open to reforms so Secretaries of State don't preside over their own elections. However, Arizona's elections are conducted on the local
    level, so the conflict is less apparent. And Hobbs did no purging of
    voter roles comparable to that done by Kemp.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 21 19:19:53 2023
    On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 11:10:29 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/21/23 11:29 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 7:46:51 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/20/23 6:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 8:09:32 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

    A three-judge panel unanimously rejected the concerns you presumably >>>> share with Kari Lake:

    OPINION

    Chief Judge Kent E. Cattani delivered the opinion of the Court, in which
    Presiding Judge Maria Elena Cruz and Judge Peter B. Swann1 joined.

    Kari Lake appeals the Maricopa County Superior Court’s ruling rejecting
    her request to set aside Katie Hobbs’s 17,117 vote win in Arizona’s 2022
    gubernatorial election. Lake’s arguments highlight election- day
    difficulties, but her request for relief fails because the evidence >>>> presented to the superior court ultimately supports the court’s
    conclusion that voters were able to cast their ballots, that votes were >>>> counted correctly, and that no other basis justifies setting aside the >>>> election results. Accordingly, we affirm.

    I wonder what you and Stacey would be saying if this shit happened in Atlanta?
    Never mind. I know the answer.
    The Georgia stuff was worse: electronic voting machines without a
    paper trail; voter registration purges; Kemp's conflict of interest.

    Does a voter who left a poll due to long lines and delays leave a paper trail?
    There can be anecdotal evidence. The Arizona case had good stats showing turned away voters voted elsewhere.

    That's BS. A bunch of assumptions with no supporting data.


    And what about Hobbs conflict of interest?
    I'm open to reforms so Secretaries of State don't preside over their own elections. However, Arizona's elections are conducted on the local
    level, so the conflict is less apparent. And Hobbs did no purging of
    voter roles comparable to that done by Kemp.

    Yet Georgia voters expressed record high levels of satisfaction
    with the conduct of their election.

    https://nypost.com/2023/01/24/black-voters-in-georgia-overwhelmingly-reported-positive-voting-experience-under-controversial-law/

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Feb 22 08:35:49 2023
    On 2/21/23 9:19 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 11:10:29 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/21/23 11:29 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 7:46:51 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/20/23 6:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 8:09:32 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

    A three-judge panel unanimously rejected the concerns you presumably >>>>>> share with Kari Lake:

    OPINION

    Chief Judge Kent E. Cattani delivered the opinion of the Court, in which >>>>>> Presiding Judge Maria Elena Cruz and Judge Peter B. Swann1 joined. >>>>>>
    Kari Lake appeals the Maricopa County Superior Court’s ruling rejecting
    her request to set aside Katie Hobbs’s 17,117 vote win in Arizona’s 2022
    gubernatorial election. Lake’s arguments highlight election- day >>>>>> difficulties, but her request for relief fails because the evidence >>>>>> presented to the superior court ultimately supports the court’s
    conclusion that voters were able to cast their ballots, that votes were >>>>>> counted correctly, and that no other basis justifies setting aside the >>>>>> election results. Accordingly, we affirm.

    I wonder what you and Stacey would be saying if this shit happened in Atlanta?
    Never mind. I know the answer.
    The Georgia stuff was worse: electronic voting machines without a
    paper trail; voter registration purges; Kemp's conflict of interest.

    Does a voter who left a poll due to long lines and delays leave a paper trail?
    There can be anecdotal evidence. The Arizona case had good stats showing
    turned away voters voted elsewhere.

    That's BS. A bunch of assumptions with no supporting data.

    "A separate report also issued by the county Sunday contends only 206
    Maricopa County voters checked-in at one location and then voted at a
    second location. Of those, 84 were properly checked out before going to
    the second location and thus had their ballot tabulated on-site.

    And of the remaining 122 voters, they were issued provisional ballots,
    all but 13 of which were eventually counted. Neither that report nor
    Liddy’s letter address how many voters experienced problems only to be
    unable to get a ballot cast later."

    And what about Hobbs conflict of interest?
    I'm open to reforms so Secretaries of State don't preside over their own
    elections. However, Arizona's elections are conducted on the local
    level, so the conflict is less apparent. And Hobbs did no purging of
    voter roles comparable to that done by Kemp.

    Yet Georgia voters expressed record high levels of satisfaction
    with the conduct of their election.

    https://nypost.com/2023/01/24/black-voters-in-georgia-overwhelmingly-reported-positive-voting-experience-under-controversial-law/

    So what? Creating barriers to voting by reducing polling locations and
    creating long lines is bad even if people are happy they could vote at all.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Feb 25 09:23:33 2023
    On 2/21/23 9:19 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 11:10:29 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/21/23 11:29 AM, ScottW wrote:

    Does a voter who left a poll due to long lines and delays leave a paper trail?
    There can be anecdotal evidence. The Arizona case had good stats showing
    turned away voters voted elsewhere.

    That's BS. A bunch of assumptions with no supporting data.
    Just so this doesn't go unmentioned:

    https://news.yahoo.com/former-arizona-ag-never-released-111410305.html

    AP: "The Arizona Attorney General's Office concluded months ago there
    was no widespread fraud in the 2020 election results in Maricopa County
    – but the state's top prosecutor sat on the information and suppressed mitigating details, newly released records show.

    An investigative report and two internal memos from 2022 indicate
    then-Attorney General Mark Brnovich, a Republican, was aware his
    investigators "did not uncover any criminality or fraud" in the 2020
    election weeks before Brnovich reported the county's election system was vulnerable and the process for verification and handling of early
    ballots was broken."

    If a motivated Republican AG can't find the dirt, maybe it's not there.
    If you call for improving the voter experience so none will give up the
    attempt due to long lines or other precinct-level foul-ups, I'll
    heartily agree.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 25 09:27:48 2023
    On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 7:23:35 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/21/23 9:19 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 11:10:29 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/21/23 11:29 AM, ScottW wrote:

    Does a voter who left a poll due to long lines and delays leave a paper trail?
    There can be anecdotal evidence. The Arizona case had good stats showing >> turned away voters voted elsewhere.

    That's BS. A bunch of assumptions with no supporting data.
    Just so this doesn't go unmentioned:

    https://news.yahoo.com/former-arizona-ag-never-released-111410305.html

    AP: "The Arizona Attorney General's Office concluded months ago there
    was no widespread fraud in the 2020 election results in Maricopa County

    Does turned away voters not voting = fraud?
    Reality is....they can't even know who turned away.

    And the court declared they can't do anything about that implying it isn't fraud
    even if it was election altering.

    You're claiming all is well in Az. while screaming Jim Crowe on steroids in Ga. Your hypocrisy is obvious.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Feb 25 12:46:45 2023
    On 2/25/23 11:27 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 7:23:35 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/21/23 9:19 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 11:10:29 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/21/23 11:29 AM, ScottW wrote:

    Does a voter who left a poll due to long lines and delays leave a paper trail?
    There can be anecdotal evidence. The Arizona case had good stats showing >>>> turned away voters voted elsewhere.

    That's BS. A bunch of assumptions with no supporting data.
    Just so this doesn't go unmentioned:

    https://news.yahoo.com/former-arizona-ag-never-released-111410305.html

    AP: "The Arizona Attorney General's Office concluded months ago there
    was no widespread fraud in the 2020 election results in Maricopa County

    Does turned away voters not voting = fraud?

    The report speaks to the larger issue of all fraud, but, no, it's not
    fraud as such. Again, it's interesting you're not concerned that
    contrary evidence was kept from you by figures on the right.

    Reality is....they can't even know who turned away.

    Well, although anecdotal evidence isn't enough to prove people were
    turned away, there's hardly any at all. If you're counting on large
    numbers of invisible, silent voters, the onus is on you to show they exist.

    And the court declared they can't do anything about that implying it isn't fraud
    even if it was election altering.

    You're claiming all is well in Az. while screaming Jim Crowe on steroids in Ga.
    Your hypocrisy is obvious.

    How is that? In Georgia, enthusiasm kept voters in the long lines
    leading to the overall satisfaction you cited. Yes, I decry the voter
    roll purge in Georgia which doesn't seem to have happened in Arizona.

    Arizona's long lines seem more to do with election day SNAFUs than
    Georgia's deliberate reduction of polling places. Georgia's lack of
    paper trail is more a point of principle as there's no indication that
    votes were lost or faked.

    So, yes, there are things to complain about in Georgia that didn't
    happen in Arizona.

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