• Dueling summary judgments in Dominion v Fox

    From mINE109@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 16 20:18:56 2023
    Plaintiffs:

    https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/redacted-documents-in-dominion-fox-news-case/dca5e3880422426f/full.pdf

    Meanwhile Fox is arguing SLAAP, 1st Amendment and that Dominion is
    asking too much in damages. This last sounds more like a negotiation
    than a defense.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 17 09:08:04 2023
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 6:18:58 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    Plaintiffs:

    https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/redacted-documents-in-dominion-fox-news-case/dca5e3880422426f/full.pdf

    Meanwhile Fox is arguing SLAAP, 1st Amendment and that Dominion is
    asking too much in damages. This last sounds more like a negotiation
    than a defense.

    Is Fox really liable for what guests may say?
    If that was true Trump would have a doozy of a suit against all the major leftists networks.

    Is Dominion suing all those election officials who say their machines must be scrapped
    if "chain of custody" is broken too?

    Can I sue you for claiming chain of custody is sufficient protection against fraud?
    Damages awarded based upon what the defendant can bear.....10c

    ScottW

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 17 10:12:06 2023
    The moon is visible almost every night. What triggers a Shmoo's
    crazed baying on odd occasions?

    Is Fox really liable for what guests may say?
    If that was true Trump would have a doozy of a suit against all the major leftists networks.

    <snicker>

    Provide us with a couple of ***FALSE*** statements from your imaginary
    "leftist networks". In fact, just name the "major leftists networks".

    This should be good for a laugh.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Feb 17 13:52:01 2023
    On 2/17/23 11:08 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 6:18:58 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    Plaintiffs:

    https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/redacted-documents-in-dominion-fox-news-case/dca5e3880422426f/full.pdf

    Meanwhile Fox is arguing SLAAP, 1st Amendment and that Dominion is
    asking too much in damages. This last sounds more like a negotiation
    than a defense.

    Is Fox really liable for what guests may say?

    Perhaps you should consult the "Factual Background" section. The
    allegations cover statements by Fox hosts. Start at p. 20, just to get
    started.

    If that was true Trump would have a doozy of a suit against all the major leftists networks.

    If he could show the so-called leftists were saying one thing in private
    and something else they knew not to be true, he might also have a case.

    Is Dominion suing all those election officials who say their machines must be scrapped
    if "chain of custody" is broken too?

    You still don't understand what chain of custody is.

    Can I sue you for claiming chain of custody is sufficient protection against fraud?
    Damages awarded based upon what the defendant can bear.....10c

    Just to point out the obvious, Dominion isn't responsible for chains of
    custody broken while the machines were in state hands.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 17 16:20:49 2023
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/17/23 11:08 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 6:18:58 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    Plaintiffs:

    https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/redacted-documents-in-dominion-fox-news-case/dca5e3880422426f/full.pdf

    Meanwhile Fox is arguing SLAAP, 1st Amendment and that Dominion is
    asking too much in damages. This last sounds more like a negotiation
    than a defense.

    Is Fox really liable for what guests may say?
    Perhaps you should consult the "Factual Background" section. The
    allegations cover statements by Fox hosts. Start at p. 20, just to get started.

    As you often say....If you have a point....


    If that was true Trump would have a doozy of a suit against all the major leftists networks.
    If he could show the so-called leftists were saying one thing in private
    and something else they knew not to be true, he might also have a case.
    Is Dominion suing all those election officials who say their machines must be scrapped
    if "chain of custody" is broken too?
    You still don't understand what chain of custody is.

    LoL.... I'm only going by what the custodians say.


    Can I sue you for claiming chain of custody is sufficient protection against fraud?
    Damages awarded based upon what the defendant can bear.....10c
    Just to point out the obvious, Dominion isn't responsible for chains of custody broken while the machines were in state hands.

    No...but they are responsible for a machine that can't ever known safe.
    Can you prove chain of custody has never been broken?
    Or that the custodians aren't committing any malfeasance?

    The answer is clearly no. "Can't prove a negative".
    So you can't prove the machines are good to go.
    It's an insane situation that only someone incredibly ignorant could accept...unless they other motives.
    Do you have other motives?

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Feb 17 19:25:16 2023
    On 2/17/23 6:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/17/23 11:08 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 6:18:58 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    Plaintiffs:

    https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/redacted-documents-in-dominion-fox-news-case/dca5e3880422426f/full.pdf

    Meanwhile Fox is arguing SLAAP, 1st Amendment and that Dominion is
    asking too much in damages. This last sounds more like a negotiation
    than a defense.

    Is Fox really liable for what guests may say?
    Perhaps you should consult the "Factual Background" section. The
    allegations cover statements by Fox hosts. Start at p. 20, just to get
    started.

    As you often say....If you have a point....

    I was responding to you, but not to worry, Carlson should have a
    response for you out any minute now. The document is now all over the mainstream media now.

    https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/fox-news-dominion-voting-lawsuit-summary-judgment-1235527048/

    "Dominion Voting Systems alleges that emails, depositions and text
    messages among Fox News executives and its top stars show that the
    network had a clear financial motive to lie to its audience about voter
    fraud in the wake of the 2020 election.

    In a summary judgement motion filed Thursday, the company argued that
    Fox anchors feared losing viewers to rival Newsmax if they did not
    perpetuate the fantasy that the election was stolen from President Trump."

    Not nearly as much fun as making a "Media Matters or Fox News figure?"
    quiz. Okay, one:

    "[T]heir hosts were extremely one sided, ignored the facts, they did not
    seem to care about telling the truth, they seemed to invest truly in
    conspiracy theories versus fact."

    If that was true Trump would have a doozy of a suit against all the major leftists networks.
    If he could show the so-called leftists were saying one thing in private
    and something else they knew not to be true, he might also have a case.
    Is Dominion suing all those election officials who say their machines must be scrapped
    if "chain of custody" is broken too?
    You still don't understand what chain of custody is.

    LoL.... I'm only going by what the custodians say.

    The "custodians" aren't blaming Dominion for the lost chain of custody.

    Can I sue you for claiming chain of custody is sufficient protection against fraud?
    Damages awarded based upon what the defendant can bear.....10c
    Just to point out the obvious, Dominion isn't responsible for chains of
    custody broken while the machines were in state hands.

    No...but they are responsible for a machine that can't ever known safe.

    That's your idee fixee. It's not logical as you are trying to give the
    machine a quality that belongs not to it but to its environment.

    Can you prove chain of custody has never been broken?

    Yes. That's the point of a chain of custody.

    Or that the custodians aren't committing any malfeasance?

    Higher odds they did if they were Republican.

    The answer is clearly no. "Can't prove a negative".

    Chain of custody is a positive.

    So you can't prove the machines are good to go.

    That's why the ones lacking a good chain have to be replaced. Get it?

    It's an insane situation that only someone incredibly ignorant could accept...unless they other motives.
    Do you have other motives?

    Yes, the ones trying to claim the machines can never be trusted do have
    a motive: breaking faith in the election.

    And, Fox executive, referring to Newsmax.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 18 08:22:22 2023
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 5:25:19 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/17/23 6:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/17/23 11:08 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 6:18:58 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    Plaintiffs:

    https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/redacted-documents-in-dominion-fox-news-case/dca5e3880422426f/full.pdf

    Meanwhile Fox is arguing SLAAP, 1st Amendment and that Dominion is
    asking too much in damages. This last sounds more like a negotiation >>>> than a defense.

    Is Fox really liable for what guests may say?
    Perhaps you should consult the "Factual Background" section. The
    allegations cover statements by Fox hosts. Start at p. 20, just to get
    started.

    As you often say....If you have a point....
    I was responding to you, but not to worry, Carlson should have a
    response for you out any minute now. The document is now all over the mainstream media now.

    https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/fox-news-dominion-voting-lawsuit-summary-judgment-1235527048/

    "Dominion Voting Systems alleges that emails, depositions and text
    messages among Fox News executives and its top stars show that the
    network had a clear financial motive to lie to its audience about voter
    fraud in the wake of the 2020 election.

    LoL....I've been telling you about that in media for years. Nothing new here. But if this case can make media stop lying and pimping BS for ratings....I'm all in.
    CNN might have to dump every one of their ex-gov't official contributors.


    In a summary judgement motion filed Thursday, the company argued that
    Fox anchors feared losing viewers to rival Newsmax if they did not
    perpetuate the fantasy that the election was stolen from President Trump."

    Oh boy...the company argued.
    I watched...and I don't recall them ever saying it was. It was always might have been
    and these things are suspect.

    Like sleepy Joe campaigning from his basement shattering vote records.

    Is that a lie?


    Not nearly as much fun as making a "Media Matters or Fox News figure?"
    quiz. Okay, one:

    "[T]heir hosts were extremely one sided, ignored the facts, they did not
    seem to care about telling the truth, they seemed to invest truly in conspiracy theories versus fact."

    Did not seem.....Hmm. Sound highly subjective.
    You do not like the way I perceive you to seem either.

    If that was true Trump would have a doozy of a suit against all the major leftists networks.
    If he could show the so-called leftists were saying one thing in private >> and something else they knew not to be true, he might also have a case. >>> Is Dominion suing all those election officials who say their machines must be scrapped
    if "chain of custody" is broken too?
    You still don't understand what chain of custody is.

    LoL.... I'm only going by what the custodians say.
    The "custodians" aren't blaming Dominion for the lost chain of custody.

    and Stephen can't get out of reverse....again. Drive to shit to "D".

    Can I sue you for claiming chain of custody is sufficient protection against fraud?
    Damages awarded based upon what the defendant can bear.....10c
    Just to point out the obvious, Dominion isn't responsible for chains of
    custody broken while the machines were in state hands.

    No...but they are responsible for a machine that can't ever known safe.
    That's your idee fixee. It's not logical as you are trying to give the machine a quality that belongs not to it but to its environment.

    BS....The machine comes out the factory in a known "good" state.
    But if someone unauthorized ever gets to be alone with it....it's suddenly permanently untrustworthy and must be scrapped.
    How does that make it ever trustworthy? It's an absurd situation.


    Can you prove chain of custody has never been broken?
    Yes. That's the point of a chain of custody.

    Now you're BSing AND Fat ASS LYING!

    Or that the custodians aren't committing any malfeasance?
    Higher odds they did if they were Republican.

    And there we have it. Stephen will never accept the outcome of a
    republican administered election.
    I'm shocked.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Feb 18 11:15:12 2023
    On 2/18/23 10:22 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 5:25:19 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/17/23 6:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/17/23 11:08 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 6:18:58 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    Plaintiffs:

    https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/redacted-documents-in-dominion-fox-news-case/dca5e3880422426f/full.pdf

    Meanwhile Fox is arguing SLAAP, 1st Amendment and that Dominion is >>>>>> asking too much in damages. This last sounds more like a negotiation >>>>>> than a defense.

    Is Fox really liable for what guests may say?
    Perhaps you should consult the "Factual Background" section. The
    allegations cover statements by Fox hosts. Start at p. 20, just to get >>>> started.

    As you often say....If you have a point....
    I was responding to you, but not to worry, Carlson should have a
    response for you out any minute now. The document is now all over the
    mainstream media now.

    https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/fox-news-dominion-voting-lawsuit-summary-judgment-1235527048/

    "Dominion Voting Systems alleges that emails, depositions and text
    messages among Fox News executives and its top stars show that the
    network had a clear financial motive to lie to its audience about voter
    fraud in the wake of the 2020 election.

    LoL....I've been telling you about that in media for years. Nothing new here.
    But if this case can make media stop lying and pimping BS for ratings....I'm all in.
    CNN might have to dump every one of their ex-gov't official contributors.

    The cynic's folly on display.

    In a summary judgement motion filed Thursday, the company argued that
    Fox anchors feared losing viewers to rival Newsmax if they did not
    perpetuate the fantasy that the election was stolen from President Trump."

    Oh boy...the company argued.

    You seem to care when it's Twitter.

    I watched...and I don't recall them ever saying it was. It was always might have been
    and these things are suspect.

    That's why Dominion gathered evidence rather than rely on your memory.

    Like sleepy Joe campaigning from his basement shattering vote records.

    Is that a lie?

    It's incorrect: he didn't campaign from his basement. Since there are
    more people now, it's no surprise a winning candidate will get a record
    number of votes.

    Not nearly as much fun as making a "Media Matters or Fox News figure?"
    quiz. Okay, one:

    "[T]heir hosts were extremely one sided, ignored the facts, they did not
    seem to care about telling the truth, they seemed to invest truly in
    conspiracy theories versus fact."

    Did not seem.....Hmm. Sound highly subjective.
    You do not like the way I perceive you to seem either.

    So MM or Fox executive?

    If that was true Trump would have a doozy of a suit against all the major leftists networks.
    If he could show the so-called leftists were saying one thing in private >>>> and something else they knew not to be true, he might also have a case. >>>>> Is Dominion suing all those election officials who say their machines must be scrapped
    if "chain of custody" is broken too?
    You still don't understand what chain of custody is.

    LoL.... I'm only going by what the custodians say.
    The "custodians" aren't blaming Dominion for the lost chain of custody.

    and Stephen can't get out of reverse....again. Drive to shit to "D".

    You're driving to wrong conclusions no matter the gear.

    Can I sue you for claiming chain of custody is sufficient protection against fraud?
    Damages awarded based upon what the defendant can bear.....10c
    Just to point out the obvious, Dominion isn't responsible for chains of >>>> custody broken while the machines were in state hands.

    No...but they are responsible for a machine that can't ever known safe.
    That's your idee fixee. It's not logical as you are trying to give the
    machine a quality that belongs not to it but to its environment.

    BS....The machine comes out the factory in a known "good" state.
    But if someone unauthorized ever gets to be alone with it....it's suddenly permanently untrustworthy and must be scrapped.

    Yes, that's what chain of custody is.

    How does that make it ever trustworthy? It's an absurd situation.

    It's trustworthy until it gets left with an untrustworthy person. The
    condition isn't retroactive.

    Can you prove chain of custody has never been broken?
    Yes. That's the point of a chain of custody.

    Now you're BSing AND Fat ASS LYING!

    If you can't prove it, it's broken.

    https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/chain-of-custody-digital-forensics/

    The equivalent for electronic data.

    Or that the custodians aren't committing any malfeasance?
    Higher odds they did if they were Republican.

    And there we have it. Stephen will never accept the outcome of a
    republican administered election.

    No, that's the Republican view of Democratic wins, hence the endless questioning without evidence of the election process.

    I'm shocked.

    There's actual evidence, with indictments, of Republicans tampering with
    voting machines and records, Tina Peters and Matthew DePerno, to name two.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 18 10:07:41 2023
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:15:15 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/18/23 10:22 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 5:25:19 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/17/23 6:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/17/23 11:08 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 6:18:58 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> Plaintiffs:

    https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/redacted-documents-in-dominion-fox-news-case/dca5e3880422426f/full.pdf

    Meanwhile Fox is arguing SLAAP, 1st Amendment and that Dominion is >>>>>> asking too much in damages. This last sounds more like a negotiation >>>>>> than a defense.

    Is Fox really liable for what guests may say?
    Perhaps you should consult the "Factual Background" section. The
    allegations cover statements by Fox hosts. Start at p. 20, just to get >>>> started.

    As you often say....If you have a point....
    I was responding to you, but not to worry, Carlson should have a
    response for you out any minute now. The document is now all over the
    mainstream media now.

    https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/fox-news-dominion-voting-lawsuit-summary-judgment-1235527048/

    "Dominion Voting Systems alleges that emails, depositions and text
    messages among Fox News executives and its top stars show that the
    network had a clear financial motive to lie to its audience about voter
    fraud in the wake of the 2020 election.

    LoL....I've been telling you about that in media for years. Nothing new here.
    But if this case can make media stop lying and pimping BS for ratings....I'm all in.
    CNN might have to dump every one of their ex-gov't official contributors.
    The cynic's folly on display.
    In a summary judgement motion filed Thursday, the company argued that
    Fox anchors feared losing viewers to rival Newsmax if they did not
    perpetuate the fantasy that the election was stolen from President Trump."

    Oh boy...the company argued.
    You seem to care when it's Twitter.

    Twitter was outing themselves. Talk about folly....you are being follycious.

    I watched...and I don't recall them ever saying it was. It was always might have been
    and these things are suspect.
    That's why Dominion gathered evidence rather than rely on your memory.

    All I see is conflict between on air and in private takes on things.
    What a shock! Wanna bet Don Lemon thinks women over 30 are past their prime?

    Like sleepy Joe campaigning from his basement shattering vote records.

    Is that a lie?
    It's incorrect: he didn't campaign from his basement.

    That's my perception. And my perception is mine, not yours.
    You can have you own, but you can't claim mine isn't mine.

    Since there are
    more people now, it's no surprise a winning candidate will get a record number of votes.

    LoL.....you say the dumbest stuff at times.


    Not nearly as much fun as making a "Media Matters or Fox News figure?"
    quiz. Okay, one:

    "[T]heir hosts were extremely one sided, ignored the facts, they did not >> seem to care about telling the truth, they seemed to invest truly in
    conspiracy theories versus fact."

    Did not seem.....Hmm. Sound highly subjective.
    You do not like the way I perceive you to seem either.
    So MM or Fox executive?

    Both or neither...you question is obviously nonsensical.

    If that was true Trump would have a doozy of a suit against all the major leftists networks.
    If he could show the so-called leftists were saying one thing in private >>>> and something else they knew not to be true, he might also have a case. >>>>> Is Dominion suing all those election officials who say their machines must be scrapped
    if "chain of custody" is broken too?
    You still don't understand what chain of custody is.

    LoL.... I'm only going by what the custodians say.
    The "custodians" aren't blaming Dominion for the lost chain of custody.

    and Stephen can't get out of reverse....again. Drive to shit to "D".
    You're driving to wrong conclusions no matter the gear.

    IYO.



    Can I sue you for claiming chain of custody is sufficient protection against fraud?
    Damages awarded based upon what the defendant can bear.....10c
    Just to point out the obvious, Dominion isn't responsible for chains of >>>> custody broken while the machines were in state hands.

    No...but they are responsible for a machine that can't ever known safe. >> That's your idee fixee. It's not logical as you are trying to give the
    machine a quality that belongs not to it but to its environment.

    BS....The machine comes out the factory in a known "good" state.
    But if someone unauthorized ever gets to be alone with it....it's suddenly permanently untrustworthy and must be scrapped.
    Yes, that's what chain of custody is.
    How does that make it ever trustworthy? It's an absurd situation.
    It's trustworthy until it gets left with an untrustworthy person. The condition isn't retroactive.

    I don't trust anyone. I sure as hell don't trust you.
    And I'll never trust a system unnecessarily dependent upon chain of custody.




    Can you prove chain of custody has never been broken?
    Yes. That's the point of a chain of custody.

    Now you're BSing AND Fat ASS LYING!
    If you can't prove it, it's broken.

    https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/chain-of-custody-digital-forensics/

    The equivalent for electronic data.

    There's no equivalence between hardware and data.
    And to further remove us from relevance,
    this is all about "evidence" which is a wholly different subject
    which by necessity and with no other possible choice must be preserved
    as found...and for that reason alone chain of custody is one aspect of proving that preservation.

    I'm tired of your repetition of such a moronic argument.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Feb 18 15:41:31 2023
    On 2/18/23 12:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:15:15 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/18/23 10:22 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 5:25:19 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/17/23 6:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-8, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 2/17/23 11:08 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 6:18:58 PM UTC-8,
    mINE109 wrote:
    Plaintiffs:

    https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/redacted-documents-in-dominion-fox-news-case/dca5e3880422426f/full.pdf




    Meanwhile Fox is arguing SLAAP, 1st Amendment and that Dominion is
    asking too much in damages. This last sounds more like
    a negotiation than a defense.

    Is Fox really liable for what guests may say?
    Perhaps you should consult the "Factual Background"
    section. The allegations cover statements by Fox hosts.
    Start at p. 20, just to get started.

    As you often say....If you have a point....
    I was responding to you, but not to worry, Carlson should have
    a response for you out any minute now. The document is now all
    over the mainstream media now.

    https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/fox-news-dominion-voting-lawsuit-summary-judgment-1235527048/




    "Dominion Voting Systems alleges that emails, depositions and text
    messages among Fox News executives and its top stars show that
    the network had a clear financial motive to lie to its
    audience about voter fraud in the wake of the 2020 election.

    LoL....I've been telling you about that in media for years.
    Nothing new here. But if this case can make media stop lying and
    pimping BS for ratings....I'm all in. CNN might have to dump
    every one of their ex-gov't official contributors.
    The cynic's folly on display.
    In a summary judgement motion filed Thursday, the company
    argued that Fox anchors feared losing viewers to rival Newsmax
    if they did not perpetuate the fantasy that the election was
    stolen from President Trump."

    Oh boy...the company argued.
    You seem to care when it's Twitter.

    Twitter was outing themselves. Talk about folly....you are being
    follycious.

    Twitter doesn't have a 200 page motion for summary judgment full of
    evidence.

    I watched...and I don't recall them ever saying it was. It was
    always might have been and these things are suspect.
    That's why Dominion gathered evidence rather than rely on your
    memory.

    All I see is conflict between on air and in private takes on things.

    Yes, that conflict demonstrates actual malice.

    What a shock! Wanna bet Don Lemon thinks women over 30 are past
    their prime?

    That doesn't qualify as defamation, just a bizarre opinion.

    Like sleepy Joe campaigning from his basement shattering vote
    records.

    Is that a lie?
    It's incorrect: he didn't campaign from his basement.

    That's my perception. And my perception is mine, not yours. You can
    have you own, but you can't claim mine isn't mine.

    "It's not a lie if you believe it."

    Since there are more people now, it's no surprise a winning
    candidate will get a record number of votes.

    LoL.....you say the dumbest stuff at times.

    Dumb would be expecting the same result from a different number of voters.

    Not nearly as much fun as making a "Media Matters or Fox News
    figure?" quiz. Okay, one:

    "[T]heir hosts were extremely one sided, ignored the facts,
    they did not seem to care about telling the truth, they seemed
    to invest truly in conspiracy theories versus fact."

    Did not seem.....Hmm. Sound highly subjective. You do not like
    the way I perceive you to seem either.
    So MM or Fox executive?

    Both or neither...you question is obviously nonsensical.

    Okay, you refuse to guess. It is a real quote. No matter, I've already
    revealed the answer.

    Is Dominion suing all those election officials who say
    their machines must be scrapped if "chain of custody" is
    broken too?
    You still don't understand what chain of custody is.

    LoL.... I'm only going by what the custodians say.
    The "custodians" aren't blaming Dominion for the lost chain of
    custody.

    and Stephen can't get out of reverse....again. Drive to shit to
    "D".
    You're driving to wrong conclusions no matter the gear.

    IYO.

    No, the definition of chain of custody is not an opinion.

    Can I sue you for claiming chain of custody is
    sufficient protection against fraud? Damages awarded
    based upon what the defendant can bear.....10c
    Just to point out the obvious, Dominion isn't responsible
    for chains of custody broken while the machines were in
    state hands.

    No...but they are responsible for a machine that can't ever
    known safe.
    That's your idee fixee. It's not logical as you are trying to
    give the machine a quality that belongs not to it but to its
    environment.

    BS....The machine comes out the factory in a known "good" state.
    But if someone unauthorized ever gets to be alone with
    it....it's suddenly permanently untrustworthy and must be
    scrapped.
    Yes, that's what chain of custody is.
    How does that make it ever trustworthy? It's an absurd
    situation.
    It's trustworthy until it gets left with an untrustworthy person.
    The condition isn't retroactive.

    I don't trust anyone. I sure as hell don't trust you. And I'll
    never trust a system unnecessarily dependent upon chain of custody.

    "Unnecessarily"? There goes your argument. The point of the chain is the
    paper trail: you're not taking someone's word for it.

    Can you prove chain of custody has never been broken?
    Yes. That's the point of a chain of custody.

    Now you're BSing AND Fat ASS LYING!
    If you can't prove it, it's broken.

    https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/chain-of-custody-digital-forensics/

    The equivalent for electronic data.

    There's no equivalence between hardware and data.

    That's what I mean when I say you're wrong to think the quality belongs
    to the object.

    And to further remove us from relevance, this is all about "evidence"
    which is a wholly different subject which by necessity and with no
    other possible choice must be preserved as found...and for that
    reason alone chain of custody is one aspect of proving that
    preservation.

    I'm tired of your repetition of such a moronic argument.

    Since you won't be convinced by argument or evidence, you may assume I
    still know you're wrong even if I don't respond to you on the subject.

    https://www.eac.gov/election-officials/chain-custody-best-practices

    "The chain of custody of ballots, voting equipment, and associated data
    is essential to ensure the election system remains trustworthy.
    Documentation of the chain of custody also provides evidence that all
    voting procedures were followed. It is a best practice for chain of
    custody procedures to be clearly defined in advance of every election,
    well documented and followed consistently throughout the entire election lifecycle or process.

    The key to an effective chain of custody is to have a set of procedures
    which are followed in practice."

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 19 17:32:18 2023
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 1:41:34 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/18/23 12:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:15:15 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/18/23 10:22 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 5:25:19 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/17/23 6:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-8, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 2/17/23 11:08 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 6:18:58 PM UTC-8,
    mINE109 wrote:
    Plaintiffs:

    https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/redacted-documents-in-dominion-fox-news-case/dca5e3880422426f/full.pdf




    Meanwhile Fox is arguing SLAAP, 1st Amendment and that Dominion is
    asking too much in damages. This last sounds more like
    a negotiation than a defense.

    Is Fox really liable for what guests may say?
    Perhaps you should consult the "Factual Background"
    section. The allegations cover statements by Fox hosts.
    Start at p. 20, just to get started.

    As you often say....If you have a point....
    I was responding to you, but not to worry, Carlson should have
    a response for you out any minute now. The document is now all
    over the mainstream media now.

    https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/fox-news-dominion-voting-lawsuit-summary-judgment-1235527048/




    "Dominion Voting Systems alleges that emails, depositions and text
    messages among Fox News executives and its top stars show that
    the network had a clear financial motive to lie to its
    audience about voter fraud in the wake of the 2020 election.

    LoL....I've been telling you about that in media for years.
    Nothing new here. But if this case can make media stop lying and
    pimping BS for ratings....I'm all in. CNN might have to dump
    every one of their ex-gov't official contributors.
    The cynic's folly on display.
    In a summary judgement motion filed Thursday, the company
    argued that Fox anchors feared losing viewers to rival Newsmax
    if they did not perpetuate the fantasy that the election was
    stolen from President Trump."

    Oh boy...the company argued.
    You seem to care when it's Twitter.

    Twitter was outing themselves. Talk about folly....you are being follycious.
    Twitter doesn't have a 200 page motion for summary judgment full of
    evidence.

    No shit. I note it was you who brought Twitter in for comparison and
    I rejected it as invalid.



    I watched...and I don't recall them ever saying it was. It was
    always might have been and these things are suspect.
    That's why Dominion gathered evidence rather than rely on your
    memory.

    All I see is conflict between on air and in private takes on things.
    Yes, that conflict demonstrates actual malice.
    What a shock! Wanna bet Don Lemon thinks women over 30 are past
    their prime?
    That doesn't qualify as defamation, just a bizarre opinion.
    Like sleepy Joe campaigning from his basement shattering vote
    records.

    Is that a lie?
    It's incorrect: he didn't campaign from his basement.

    That's my perception. And my perception is mine, not yours. You can
    have you own, but you can't claim mine isn't mine.
    "It's not a lie if you believe it."
    Since there are more people now, it's no surprise a winning
    candidate will get a record number of votes.

    LoL.....you say the dumbest stuff at times.
    Dumb would be expecting the same result from a different number of voters. >>>> Not nearly as much fun as making a "Media Matters or Fox News
    figure?" quiz. Okay, one:

    "[T]heir hosts were extremely one sided, ignored the facts,
    they did not seem to care about telling the truth, they seemed
    to invest truly in conspiracy theories versus fact."

    Did not seem.....Hmm. Sound highly subjective. You do not like
    the way I perceive you to seem either.
    So MM or Fox executive?

    Both or neither...you question is obviously nonsensical.
    Okay, you refuse to guess. It is a real quote. No matter, I've already revealed the answer.
    Is Dominion suing all those election officials who say
    their machines must be scrapped if "chain of custody" is
    broken too?
    You still don't understand what chain of custody is.

    LoL.... I'm only going by what the custodians say.
    The "custodians" aren't blaming Dominion for the lost chain of
    custody.

    and Stephen can't get out of reverse....again. Drive to shit to
    "D".
    You're driving to wrong conclusions no matter the gear.

    IYO.
    No, the definition of chain of custody is not an opinion.
    Can I sue you for claiming chain of custody is
    sufficient protection against fraud? Damages awarded
    based upon what the defendant can bear.....10c
    Just to point out the obvious, Dominion isn't responsible
    for chains of custody broken while the machines were in
    state hands.

    No...but they are responsible for a machine that can't ever
    known safe.
    That's your idee fixee. It's not logical as you are trying to
    give the machine a quality that belongs not to it but to its
    environment.

    BS....The machine comes out the factory in a known "good" state.
    But if someone unauthorized ever gets to be alone with
    it....it's suddenly permanently untrustworthy and must be
    scrapped.
    Yes, that's what chain of custody is.
    How does that make it ever trustworthy? It's an absurd
    situation.
    It's trustworthy until it gets left with an untrustworthy person.
    The condition isn't retroactive.

    I don't trust anyone. I sure as hell don't trust you. And I'll
    never trust a system unnecessarily dependent upon chain of custody.
    "Unnecessarily"? There goes your argument. The point of the chain is the paper trail: you're not taking someone's word for it.
    Can you prove chain of custody has never been broken?
    Yes. That's the point of a chain of custody.

    Now you're BSing AND Fat ASS LYING!
    If you can't prove it, it's broken.

    https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/chain-of-custody-digital-forensics/

    The equivalent for electronic data.

    There's no equivalence between hardware and data.
    That's what I mean when I say you're wrong to think the quality belongs
    to the object.
    And to further remove us from relevance, this is all about "evidence"
    which is a wholly different subject which by necessity and with no
    other possible choice must be preserved as found...and for that
    reason alone chain of custody is one aspect of proving that
    preservation.

    I'm tired of your repetition of such a moronic argument.
    Since you won't be convinced by argument or evidence, you may assume I
    still know you're wrong even if I don't respond to you on the subject.

    https://www.eac.gov/election-officials/chain-custody-best-practices

    "The chain of custody of ballots, voting equipment, and associated data
    is essential to ensure the election system remains trustworthy.
    Documentation of the chain of custody also provides evidence that all
    voting procedures were followed. It is a best practice for chain of
    custody procedures to be clearly defined in advance of every election,

    That's their best practice? Hmmm.....by your own admission they need
    chain of custody procedures from the time the machines leave the production line.
    It has nothing to do with election schedules.
    This is just a bunch of BS to make fools think things are all hunky dory.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Feb 20 10:19:30 2023
    On 2/19/23 7:32 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 1:41:34 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/18/23 12:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:15:15 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

    https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/fox-news-dominion-voting-lawsuit-summary-judgment-1235527048/

    "Dominion Voting Systems alleges that emails, depositions and text
    messages among Fox News executives and its top stars show that
    the network had a clear financial motive to lie to its
    audience about voter fraud in the wake of the 2020 election.

    Oh boy...the company argued.
    You seem to care when it's Twitter.

    Twitter was outing themselves. Talk about folly....you are being
    follycious.
    Twitter doesn't have a 200 page motion for summary judgment full of
    evidence.

    No shit. I note it was you who brought Twitter in for comparison and
    I rejected it as invalid.

    I brought up how you felt about it. And what Twitter outed was: Trump
    was the only President who asked for specific tweets to be taken down
    because he didn't like them; the FBI had valid fair election law
    concerns; and nonconsensual nude pictures are against their terms of
    service.

    <snip>

    I'm tired of your repetition of such a moronic argument.
    Since you won't be convinced by argument or evidence, you may assume I
    still know you're wrong even if I don't respond to you on the subject.

    https://www.eac.gov/election-officials/chain-custody-best-practices

    "The chain of custody of ballots, voting equipment, and associated data
    is essential to ensure the election system remains trustworthy.
    Documentation of the chain of custody also provides evidence that all
    voting procedures were followed. It is a best practice for chain of
    custody procedures to be clearly defined in advance of every election,

    That's their best practice? Hmmm.....by your own admission they need
    chain of custody procedures from the time the machines leave the production line.
    It has nothing to do with election schedules.

    Yes, defining custody practices in advance is best practice. Yes, an
    unbroken documentation of custody is required no matter the election
    dates. You may be beginning to understand the concept.

    This is just a bunch of BS to make fools think things are all hunky dory.

    What is it to claim nothing can be trusted?

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 20 16:28:01 2023
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 8:19:38 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/19/23 7:32 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 1:41:34 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/18/23 12:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:15:15 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

    https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/fox-news-dominion-voting-lawsuit-summary-judgment-1235527048/

    "Dominion Voting Systems alleges that emails, depositions and text
    messages among Fox News executives and its top stars show that
    the network had a clear financial motive to lie to its
    audience about voter fraud in the wake of the 2020 election.
    Oh boy...the company argued.
    You seem to care when it's Twitter.

    Twitter was outing themselves. Talk about folly....you are being
    follycious.
    Twitter doesn't have a 200 page motion for summary judgment full of
    evidence.

    No shit. I note it was you who brought Twitter in for comparison and
    I rejected it as invalid.
    I brought up how you felt about it. And what Twitter outed was: Trump
    was the only President who asked for specific tweets to be taken down
    because he didn't like them; the FBI had valid fair election law
    concerns; and nonconsensual nude pictures are against their terms of
    service.

    <snip>
    I'm tired of your repetition of such a moronic argument.
    Since you won't be convinced by argument or evidence, you may assume I
    still know you're wrong even if I don't respond to you on the subject.

    https://www.eac.gov/election-officials/chain-custody-best-practices

    "The chain of custody of ballots, voting equipment, and associated data
    is essential to ensure the election system remains trustworthy.
    Documentation of the chain of custody also provides evidence that all
    voting procedures were followed. It is a best practice for chain of
    custody procedures to be clearly defined in advance of every election,

    That's their best practice? Hmmm.....by your own admission they need
    chain of custody procedures from the time the machines leave the production line.
    It has nothing to do with election schedules.
    Yes, defining custody practices in advance is best practice.

    The fact that you have to even state something so obvious is kind of moronic.

    ScottW

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 20 19:02:11 2023
    We all know the expression "reading the room", but how often does the
    miasma of pigheadedness escape the room unabated?

    Yes, defining custody practices in advance is best practice.
    The fact that you have to even state something so obvious is kind of moronic.

    How do you shield yourself from such corrosive irony? Is it an
    actual psychosis, or maybe your imagined connection to "god"?

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Feb 21 09:34:52 2023
    On 2/20/23 6:28 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 8:19:38 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

    Yes, defining custody practices in advance is best practice.

    The fact that you have to even state something so obvious is kind of moronic.

    Examine that thought.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 21 09:30:47 2023
    On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 7:34:55 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/20/23 6:28 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 8:19:38 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

    Yes, defining custody practices in advance is best practice.

    The fact that you have to even state something so obvious is kind of moronic.
    Examine that thought.

    It's called "best practice" for morons.

    ScottW

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