https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/particle-accelerator-creates-substance-that-hasn-t-existed-for-13-billion-years/ar-AA17TWkSexplodes with enough force to overcome the gravity. Or maybe when atoms get broke down to subatomic particles they don't even produce gravity.
Kind of interesting on top of the revelation that massive galaxies were found near the origin of our universe only 600 million years after the bang.
Scientists were shocked because their models didn't predict that.
I wonder why? This gluon stuff is the densest form of matter known to science. Seems to me that the rate of star formation and their size is going to be based upon the density of matter available in the immediate area.
That would be right after the big bang when all the matter of the universe was still in the area of the great beginning.
I don't know who is making up these models...but they don't seem based upon any common sense.
I think the cycle of the universe is this. All matter gets concentrated in one giant black whole until atoms themselves cannot hold up against the compression and they get broken down into subatomic particles. The release of energy is so great it
Anyway...bang and there's nothing but the gluon. Atoms quickly start to reconstitute in the form of hydrogen and then come stars. Lots of them and great big ones. Hence the massive early galaxies of a billion stars.that direction blocking our view.
Then with light comes additional force to further overcome gravity and the universe expands....until the hydrogen runs out and stars go black.
Then the universe starts to collapse until the next big bang and the cycle repeats.
My only question is....if we looked in one direction and see an early galaxy near the origin of our universe.....can't we look in another direction and perhaps catch a glimpse of a neighbor universe? Shouldn't be any cloudy plasma from the big bang in
Or perhaps just enough low density plasma is out there over such massive distance to the nearest universe is enough to obscure it from our view.
How do we get a question put to the Galactic Federation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFl29Uos9K8
ScottW
I don't pretend to understand the science of the origin of the universe, so I don't criticize scientists trying to figure it out. And my common sense doesn't cover
gluons, only glue-ons.
I know just enough not to do this: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/qjePt3j5310/maxresdefault.jpg
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/particle-accelerator-creates-substance-that-hasn-t-existed-for-13-billion-years/ar-AA17TWkS
Kind of interesting on top of the revelation that massive galaxies
were found near the origin of our universe only 600 million years
after the bang. Scientists were shocked because their models didn't
predict that. I wonder why? This gluon stuff is the densest form of
matter known to science. Seems to me that the rate of star
formation and their size is going to be based upon the density of
matter available in the immediate area. That would be right after the
big bang when all the matter of the universe was still in the area of
the great beginning. I don't know who is making up these models...but
they don't seem based upon any common sense.
I think the cycle of the universe is this. All matter gets
concentrated in one giant black whole until atoms themselves cannot
hold up against the compression and they get broken down into
subatomic particles. The release of energy is so great it explodes
with enough force to overcome the gravity. Or maybe when atoms get
broke down to subatomic particles they don't even produce gravity.
Anyway...bang and there's nothing but the gluon. Atoms quickly start
to reconstitute in the form of hydrogen and then come stars. Lots of
them and great big ones. Hence the massive early galaxies of a
billion stars. Then with light comes additional force to further
overcome gravity and the universe expands....until the hydrogen runs
out and stars go black. Then the universe starts to collapse until
the next big bang and the cycle repeats.
My only question is....if we looked in one direction and see an early
galaxy near the origin of our universe.....can't we look in another
direction and perhaps catch a glimpse of a neighbor universe?
Shouldn't be any cloudy plasma from the big bang in that direction
blocking our view. Or perhaps just enough low density plasma is out
there over such massive distance to the nearest universe is enough to
obscure it from our view.
How do we get a question put to the Galactic Federation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFl29Uos9K8
On 2/25/23 9:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/particle-accelerator-creates-substance-that-hasn-t-existed-for-13-billion-years/ar-AA17TWkS
Kind of interesting on top of the revelation that massive galaxiesCommon sense and the early universe don't go together. Evidently "phase transition" is tricky.
were found near the origin of our universe only 600 million years
after the bang. Scientists were shocked because their models didn't predict that. I wonder why? This gluon stuff is the densest form of
matter known to science. Seems to me that the rate of star
formation and their size is going to be based upon the density of
matter available in the immediate area. That would be right after the
big bang when all the matter of the universe was still in the area of
the great beginning. I don't know who is making up these models...but
they don't seem based upon any common sense.
https://www.uh.edu/nsm/physics/news-events/stories/2018/0507-early-universe.php
I think the cycle of the universe is this. All matter getsThat's the cyclic model.
concentrated in one giant black whole until atoms themselves cannot
hold up against the compression and they get broken down into
subatomic particles. The release of energy is so great it explodes
with enough force to overcome the gravity. Or maybe when atoms get
broke down to subatomic particles they don't even produce gravity.
Anyway...bang and there's nothing but the gluon. Atoms quickly start
to reconstitute in the form of hydrogen and then come stars. Lots of
them and great big ones. Hence the massive early galaxies of a
billion stars. Then with light comes additional force to further
overcome gravity and the universe expands....until the hydrogen runs
out and stars go black. Then the universe starts to collapse until
the next big bang and the cycle repeats.
My only question is....if we looked in one direction and see an early galaxy near the origin of our universe.....can't we look in another direction and perhaps catch a glimpse of a neighbor universe?The curve of the universe makes it so there's not another direction to
Shouldn't be any cloudy plasma from the big bang in that direction blocking our view. Or perhaps just enough low density plasma is out
there over such massive distance to the nearest universe is enough to obscure it from our view.
look in.
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 10:56:00 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
The curve of the universe makes it so there's not another direction to
look in.
Another crackpot theory. The universe is not curved, just our view as light doesn't always travel in a straight line.
On 2/26/23 1:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 10:56:00 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
The curve of the universe makes it so there's not another direction to
look in.
Another crackpot theory. The universe is not curved, just our view as lightOh?
doesn't always travel in a straight line.
https://hub.jhu.edu/magazine/2020/spring/closed-universe-curved/
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 3:02:10 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/26/23 1:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 10:56:00 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
The curve of the universe makes it so there's not another direction to >> look in.
Another crackpot theory. The universe is not curved, just our view as lightOh?
doesn't always travel in a straight line.
https://hub.jhu.edu/magazine/2020/spring/closed-universe-curved/Yup, crackpot.
"But most of the available evidence points to a universe that stretches infinitely in all directions like a flat sheet of paper."
I'm looking at a flat sheet of paper and it very clearly does not stretch in all directions even if it was infinitely large.
Cuz it's flat... duh.
ScottW
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 3:02:10 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/26/23 1:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 10:56:00 AM UTC-8, mINE109Oh?
wrote:
The curve of the universe makes it so there's not another
direction to look in.
Another crackpot theory. The universe is not curved, just our
view as light doesn't always travel in a straight line.
https://hub.jhu.edu/magazine/2020/spring/closed-universe-curved/
Yup, crackpot.
"But most of the available evidence points to a universe that
stretches infinitely in all directions like a flat sheet of paper."
I'm looking at a flat sheet of paper and it very clearly does not
stretch in all directions even if it was infinitely large. Cuz it's
flat... duh.
On 2/26/23 5:42 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 3:02:10 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/26/23 1:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 10:56:00 AM UTC-8, mINE109Oh?
wrote:
The curve of the universe makes it so there's not another
direction to look in.
Another crackpot theory. The universe is not curved, just our
view as light doesn't always travel in a straight line.
https://hub.jhu.edu/magazine/2020/spring/closed-universe-curved/
Yup, crackpot.
"But most of the available evidence points to a universe that
stretches infinitely in all directions like a flat sheet of paper."
I'm looking at a flat sheet of paper and it very clearly does notAt that scale, any curvature at all would add up.
stretch in all directions even if it was infinitely large. Cuz it's flat... duh.
https://astronomy.com/news/2021/02/what-shape-is-the-universe
A flat universe is a key piece of the standard cosmological model, also known as the Lambda cold dark matter (ΛCDM) model. (Λ is the Greek
letter for lambda, denoting dark energy.) But, in late 2019, Alessandro Melchiorri of the Sapienza University of Rome and his colleagues
published a paper concluding that CMB measurements by the Planck space observatory indicate a closed universe.
They analyzed the amount of gravitational lensing — how much the light from the CMB has been deflected by the gravity of matter in its path —
and found a figure higher than predicted by the ΛCDM model. If you
remove the assumption of a flat universe, instead of “trying to fit the data to the wrong model,” he says, the deviation disappears...
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 7:33:43 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/26/23 5:42 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 3:02:10 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
https://astronomy.com/news/2021/02/what-shape-is-the-universe
A flat universe is a key piece of the standard cosmological model,
also known as the Lambda cold dark matter (ΛCDM) model. (Λ is the
Greek letter for lambda, denoting dark energy.) But, in late 2019,
Alessandro Melchiorri of the Sapienza University of Rome and his
colleagues published a paper concluding that CMB measurements by
the Planck space observatory indicate a closed universe.
They analyzed the amount of gravitational lensing — how much the
light from the CMB has been deflected by the gravity of matter in
its path — and found a figure higher than predicted by the ΛCDM
model. If you remove the assumption of a flat universe, instead of
“trying to fit the data to the wrong model,” he says, the deviation
disappears...
Except their still arguing how much matter and therefore gravity is
in the path. But nice to see you agree....another crackpot model
bites the dust.
From my own perspective of my own two eyes.....I can see the universe
isn't flat or we're talking about one damn thick sheet of paper.
On 2/27/23 10:28 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 7:33:43 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/26/23 5:42 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 3:02:10 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
https://astronomy.com/news/2021/02/what-shape-is-the-universe
A flat universe is a key piece of the standard cosmological model,
also known as the Lambda cold dark matter (ΛCDM) model. (Λ is the
Greek letter for lambda, denoting dark energy.) But, in late 2019,
Alessandro Melchiorri of the Sapienza University of Rome and his
colleagues published a paper concluding that CMB measurements by
the Planck space observatory indicate a closed universe.
They analyzed the amount of gravitational lensing — how much the
light from the CMB has been deflected by the gravity of matter in
its path — and found a figure higher than predicted by the ΛCDM
model. If you remove the assumption of a flat universe, instead of
“trying to fit the data to the wrong model,” he says, the deviation >> disappears...
Except their still arguing how much matter and therefore gravity isThere are only three shapes possible. The standard model stands but
in the path. But nice to see you agree....another crackpot model
bites the dust.
contrary evidence could yet emerge.
From my own perspective of my own two eyes.....I can see the universe isn't flat or we're talking about one damn thick sheet of paper.Your perspective? On the big bang and the infinite universe?
Don't forget I brought up the curved universe that you dismissed as "crackpot"
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 9:14:20 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/27/23 10:28 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 7:33:43 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/26/23 5:42 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 3:02:10 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
Don't forget I brought up the curved universe that you dismissed as
"crackpot"
Are you demented or memory challenged or just can't read?
I'm going with all of the above.
On 2/27/23 11:55 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 9:14:20 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/27/23 10:28 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 7:33:43 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/26/23 5:42 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 3:02:10 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
Don't forget I brought up the curved universe that you dismissed as
"crackpot"
Are you demented or memory challenged or just can't read?It is inconvenient to look up stuff you snip.
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:23:53 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/27/23 11:55 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 9:14:20 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:It is inconvenient to look up stuff you snip.
On 2/27/23 10:28 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 7:33:43 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/26/23 5:42 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 3:02:10 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
Don't forget I brought up the curved universe that you dismissed as
"crackpot"
Are you demented or memory challenged or just can't read?
Grow a memory.
(snip the repetition to confuse you)
On 2/27/23 5:43 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:23:53 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/27/23 11:55 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 9:14:20 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:It is inconvenient to look up stuff you snip.
On 2/27/23 10:28 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 7:33:43 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 2/26/23 5:42 PM, ScottW wrote:Don't forget I brought up the curved universe that you dismissed as >>>> "crackpot"
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 3:02:10 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote: >>
Are you demented or memory challenged or just can't read?
Grow a memory.
(snip the repetition to confuse you)Oh, I didn't forget. The pot of the metaverse is calling the kettle of curved space black.
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 4:08:31 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/27/23 5:43 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:23:53 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:Oh, I didn't forget. The pot of the metaverse is calling the kettle of
On 2/27/23 11:55 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 9:14:20 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:It is inconvenient to look up stuff you snip.
On 2/27/23 10:28 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 7:33:43 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2/26/23 5:42 PM, ScottW wrote:Don't forget I brought up the curved universe that you dismissed as >>>>>> "crackpot"
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 3:02:10 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote: >>>>
Are you demented or memory challenged or just can't read?
Grow a memory.
(snip the repetition to confuse you)
curved space black.
and Stephen officially kills another thread.
ScottW
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