On 2/26/23 11:02 AM, ScottW wrote:
https://slaynews.com/news/covid-deaths-fully-vaccinated-government-study-finds/
92% of covid deaths were fully vaxxed people last year in England.Base-rate fallacy.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02837-3/fulltext
"In the context of COVID-19 vaccines, the base-rate fallacy is often described as the illusion that vaccines are ineffective because, in
highly vaccinated populations, the majority of COVID-19 cases occur
among vaccinated people. For example, if a population is 99% vaccinated against a hypothetical virus and 51% of infected individuals have been vaccinated, the base-rate fallacy (falsely) implies that the vaccine is ineffective at preventing infection. Of course, if the vaccine was truly ineffective, we would expect about 99% of infected individuals to have
been vaccinated."
https://slaynews.com/news/covid-deaths-fully-vaccinated-government-study-finds/
92% of covid deaths were fully vaxxed people last year in England.
On 27/02/2023 4:02 am, ScottW wrote:
https://slaynews.com/news/covid-deaths-fully-vaccinated-government-study-finds/
92% of covid deaths were fully vaxxed people last year in England.
ScottW**Your failure to understand logic and reason is duly noted.
https://slaynews.com/news/covid-deaths-fully-vaccinated-government-study-finds/
92% of covid deaths were fully vaxxed people last year in England.
ScottW
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:22:44 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/26/23 11:02 AM, ScottW wrote:
https://slaynews.com/news/covid-deaths-fully-vaccinated-government-study-finds/Base-rate fallacy.
92% of covid deaths were fully vaxxed people last year in England.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02837-3/fulltext
"In the context of COVID-19 vaccines, the base-rate fallacy is often
described as the illusion that vaccines are ineffective because, in
highly vaccinated populations, the majority of COVID-19 cases occur
among vaccinated people. For example, if a population is 99% vaccinated
against a hypothetical virus and 51% of infected individuals have been
vaccinated, the base-rate fallacy (falsely) implies that the vaccine is
ineffective at preventing infection. Of course, if the vaccine was truly
ineffective, we would expect about 99% of infected individuals to have
been vaccinated."
Wow.... so 7% makes a vaxx effective. Thats a helluva of an argument.
On 27/02/2023 4:02 am, ScottW wrote:
https://slaynews.com/news/covid-deaths-fully-vaccinated-government-study-finds/
92% of covid deaths were fully vaxxed people last year in England.
ScottW**Your failure to understand logic and reason is duly noted.
On 2/26/23 1:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:22:44 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/26/23 11:02 AM, ScottW wrote:
https://slaynews.com/news/covid-deaths-fully-vaccinated-government-study-finds/Base-rate fallacy.
92% of covid deaths were fully vaxxed people last year in England.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02837-3/fulltext
"In the context of COVID-19 vaccines, the base-rate fallacy is often
described as the illusion that vaccines are ineffective because, in
highly vaccinated populations, the majority of COVID-19 cases occur
among vaccinated people. For example, if a population is 99% vaccinated >> against a hypothetical virus and 51% of infected individuals have been
vaccinated, the base-rate fallacy (falsely) implies that the vaccine is >> ineffective at preventing infection. Of course, if the vaccine was truly >> ineffective, we would expect about 99% of infected individuals to have
been vaccinated."
Wow.... so 7% makes a vaxx effective. Thats a helluva of an argument.That's not how you measure vaccination effectiveness and you skipped
over the base rate problem.
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:31:33 AM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 27/02/2023 4:02 am, ScottW wrote:
https://slaynews.com/news/covid-deaths-fully-vaccinated-government-study-finds/**Your failure to understand logic and reason is duly noted.
92% of covid deaths were fully vaxxed people last year in England.
ScottW
Trevor awakes from his slumber (or stupor)!
Check out your countries newscast video I posted. Ol' Joe has them in tears.
ScottW
Look, I've said it before and I'll say it again: Joe Biden was a poor choice for POTUS. Trump was/is an UNTHINKABLE choice for POTUS.I'm going to defer to your expertise in "unthink".
Right now...unthinkable is leading in the polls.
On 27/02/2023 10:45 am, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:31:33 AM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 27/02/2023 4:02 am, ScottW wrote:
https://slaynews.com/news/covid-deaths-fully-vaccinated-government-study-finds/**Your failure to understand logic and reason is duly noted.
92% of covid deaths were fully vaxxed people last year in England.
ScottW
Trevor awakes from his slumber (or stupor)!
Check out your countries newscast video I posted. Ol' Joe has them in tears.
ScottW**Sky News? Yeah, sure. They're so impartial.
NOT!
Look, I've said it before and I'll say it again: Joe Biden was a poor
choice for POTUS. Trump was/is an UNTHINKABLE choice for POTUS.
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 4:12:50 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 27/02/2023 10:45 am, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:31:33 AM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 27/02/2023 4:02 am, ScottW wrote:**Sky News? Yeah, sure. They're so impartial.
https://slaynews.com/news/covid-deaths-fully-vaccinated-government-study-finds/**Your failure to understand logic and reason is duly noted.
92% of covid deaths were fully vaxxed people last year in England.
ScottW
Trevor awakes from his slumber (or stupor)!
Check out your countries newscast video I posted. Ol' Joe has them in tears.
ScottW
NOT!
Look, I've said it before and I'll say it again: Joe Biden was a poor
choice for POTUS. Trump was/is an UNTHINKABLE choice for POTUS.
I'm going to defer to your expertise in "unthink".
Right now...unthinkable is leading in the polls.
ScottW
So, the choice was between a man who is clearly too old,
cannot tell the truth. Ever.
You guys made your choice and Biden is doing OK. MUCH better than Trump.
The Ukrainians can thank the US voting public for dumping Trump. Had
Trump been elected, Putin would have had a much easier job of invading Ukraine.
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 2:59:01 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/26/23 1:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:22:44 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:That's not how you measure vaccination effectiveness and you skipped
On 2/26/23 11:02 AM, ScottW wrote:
https://slaynews.com/news/covid-deaths-fully-vaccinated-government-study-finds/Base-rate fallacy.
92% of covid deaths were fully vaxxed people last year in England.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02837-3/fulltext
"In the context of COVID-19 vaccines, the base-rate fallacy is often
described as the illusion that vaccines are ineffective because, in
highly vaccinated populations, the majority of COVID-19 cases occur
among vaccinated people. For example, if a population is 99% vaccinated >>>> against a hypothetical virus and 51% of infected individuals have been >>>> vaccinated, the base-rate fallacy (falsely) implies that the vaccine is >>>> ineffective at preventing infection. Of course, if the vaccine was truly >>>> ineffective, we would expect about 99% of infected individuals to have >>>> been vaccinated."
Wow.... so 7% makes a vaxx effective. Thats a helluva of an argument.
over the base rate problem.
Just going by your reference. Perhaps you should screen them before linking.
On 27/02/2023 11:32 am, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 4:12:50 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 27/02/2023 10:45 am, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:31:33 AM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:**Sky News? Yeah, sure. They're so impartial.
On 27/02/2023 4:02 am, ScottW wrote:
https://slaynews.com/news/covid-deaths-fully-vaccinated-government-study-finds/**Your failure to understand logic and reason is duly noted.
92% of covid deaths were fully vaxxed people last year in England. >>>>>
ScottW
Trevor awakes from his slumber (or stupor)!
Check out your countries newscast video I posted. Ol' Joe has them in tears.
ScottW
NOT!
Look, I've said it before and I'll say it again: Joe Biden was a poor
choice for POTUS. Trump was/is an UNTHINKABLE choice for POTUS.
I'm going to defer to your expertise in "unthink".
Right now...unthinkable is leading in the polls.
ScottW**That merely tells me just how moronic the majority of the US voting population is. Assuming you are not lying. In any case, DeSantis will
kick Trump's arse.
You guys made your choice and Biden is doing OK. MUCH better than Trump.
The Ukrainians can thank the US voting public for dumping Trump. Had
Trump been elected, Putin would have had a much easier job of invading
Ukraine.
He might not have invaded Ukraine with Trump as POTUS
Let's have a fact check:
Putin invaded Crimea during a Democrat Administration (Obama)
Putin did not invade the Ukraine during a Republican Administration (Trump) Russia invaded the Ukraine during a Democrat administration (Biden)
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 2:59:01 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/26/23 1:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:22:44 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:That's not how you measure vaccination effectiveness and you skipped
On 2/26/23 11:02 AM, ScottW wrote:
https://slaynews.com/news/covid-deaths-fully-vaccinated-government-study-finds/Base-rate fallacy.
92% of covid deaths were fully vaxxed people last year in England.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02837-3/fulltext
"In the context of COVID-19 vaccines, the base-rate fallacy is often
described as the illusion that vaccines are ineffective because, in
highly vaccinated populations, the majority of COVID-19 cases occur
among vaccinated people..."
Wow.... so 7% makes a vaxx effective. Thats a helluva of an argument.
over the base rate problem.
Just going by your reference. Perhaps you should screen them before linking.
On 2/27/23 12:03 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
You guys made your choice and Biden is doing OK. MUCH better than Trump. >> The Ukrainians can thank the US voting public for dumping Trump. Had
Trump been elected, Putin would have had a much easier job of invading
Ukraine.
He might not have invaded Ukraine with Trump as POTUSPost hoc fallacy.
Let's have a fact check:
Putin invaded Crimea during a Democrat Administration (Obama)
Putin did not invade the Ukraine during a Republican Administration (Trump)
Russia invaded the Ukraine during a Democrat administration (Biden)
More fact check here:
https://www.propublica.org/article/lets-recall-what-exactly-paul-manafort-and-rudy-giuliani-were-doing-in-ukraine
No need to invade if there's a plan to take over by stealth with Trump's tacit approval.
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 9:21:40 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/27/23 12:03 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
Post hoc fallacy. More fact check here:You guys made your choice and Biden is doing OK. MUCH better
than Trump. The Ukrainians can thank the US voting public for
dumping Trump. Had Trump been elected, Putin would have had a
much easier job of invading Ukraine.
He might not have invaded Ukraine with Trump as POTUS Let's have
a fact check: Putin invaded Crimea during a Democrat
Administration (Obama) Putin did not invade the Ukraine during a
Republican Administration (Trump) Russia invaded the Ukraine
during a Democrat administration (Biden)
https://www.propublica.org/article/lets-recall-what-exactly-paul-manafort-and-rudy-giuliani-were-doing-in-ukraine
No need to invade if there's a plan to take over by stealth with Trump's tacit approval.
You're so full of shit you manage to disgust me...again.
From your link "Manafort and Kilimnik worked together on a proposed “plan” for Ukraine that would create an Autonomous Republic of
Donbas in separatist-run southeast Ukraine, on the Russian border."
A region that Ukraine didn't control then, doesn't control now and
hasn't run for years.
Is that taking over all of Ukraine?
Would you even consider a peace deal for creation of an Autonomous
Donbas to avoid the worst war the world has seen since WWII?
GMAFB....your stupidity and disregard for human life is repulsive.
and then finally, "It’s not clear what became of the effort, if
anything."
You know what became of it? Russia launched a full scale invasion.
Hundreds of thousands are dead and untold numbers of the world are
on the precipice of starvation if Ukraine ceases to be the food
source they were pre-war.
This is way beyond your petty political hatreds....but you don't
care how many die while you sit on your fat ass and lie.
One thing you can say for sure....Manafort did more to try to avoid
this war than Biden did. Too bad no one was listening to him.
Consider this....the UN, EU, Nato and the US all backed creation of
an autonomous Kosovo to end war. Is that precedent really all that
much different than what Manafort was pushing?
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 4:55:48 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 27/02/2023 11:32 am, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 4:12:50 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 27/02/2023 10:45 am, ScottW wrote:**That merely tells me just how moronic the majority of the US voting
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:31:33 AM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 27/02/2023 4:02 am, ScottW wrote:**Sky News? Yeah, sure. They're so impartial.
https://slaynews.com/news/covid-deaths-fully-vaccinated-government-study-finds/**Your failure to understand logic and reason is duly noted.
92% of covid deaths were fully vaxxed people last year in England. >>>>>>>
ScottW
Trevor awakes from his slumber (or stupor)!
Check out your countries newscast video I posted. Ol' Joe has them in tears.
ScottW
NOT!
Look, I've said it before and I'll say it again: Joe Biden was a poor
choice for POTUS. Trump was/is an UNTHINKABLE choice for POTUS.
I'm going to defer to your expertise in "unthink".
Right now...unthinkable is leading in the polls.
ScottW
population is. Assuming you are not lying. In any case, DeSantis will
kick Trump's arse.
Perhaps.....he's far more anti-wokism than Trump was.
ScottW
On 2/27/23 11:45 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 9:21:40 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/27/23 12:03 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
Post hoc fallacy. More fact check here:You guys made your choice and Biden is doing OK. MUCH better
than Trump. The Ukrainians can thank the US voting public for
dumping Trump. Had Trump been elected, Putin would have had a
much easier job of invading Ukraine.
He might not have invaded Ukraine with Trump as POTUS Let's have
a fact check: Putin invaded Crimea during a Democrat
Administration (Obama) Putin did not invade the Ukraine during a
Republican Administration (Trump) Russia invaded the Ukraine
during a Democrat administration (Biden)
https://www.propublica.org/article/lets-recall-what-exactly-paul-manafort-and-rudy-giuliani-were-doing-in-ukraine
No need to invade if there's a plan to take over by stealth with Trump's tacit approval.
You're so full of shit you manage to disgust me...again.
From your link "Manafort and Kilimnik worked together on a proposed “plan” for Ukraine that would create an Autonomous Republic of
Donbas in separatist-run southeast Ukraine, on the Russian border."
A region that Ukraine didn't control then, doesn't control now andBecause of Russian interference.
hasn't run for years.
Is that taking over all of Ukraine?It would be like this:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/russian-internal-strategy-document-details-kremlins-plans-take-control-belarus-report
On 28/02/2023 3:50 am, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 4:55:48 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 27/02/2023 11:32 am, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 4:12:50 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 27/02/2023 10:45 am, ScottW wrote:**That merely tells me just how moronic the majority of the US voting
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:31:33 AM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:**Sky News? Yeah, sure. They're so impartial.
On 27/02/2023 4:02 am, ScottW wrote:
https://slaynews.com/news/covid-deaths-fully-vaccinated-government-study-finds/**Your failure to understand logic and reason is duly noted.
92% of covid deaths were fully vaxxed people last year in England. >>>>>>>
ScottW
Trevor awakes from his slumber (or stupor)!
Check out your countries newscast video I posted. Ol' Joe has them in tears.
ScottW
NOT!
Look, I've said it before and I'll say it again: Joe Biden was a poor >>>> choice for POTUS. Trump was/is an UNTHINKABLE choice for POTUS.
I'm going to defer to your expertise in "unthink".
Right now...unthinkable is leading in the polls.
ScottW
population is. Assuming you are not lying. In any case, DeSantis will
kick Trump's arse.
Perhaps.....he's far more anti-wokism than Trump was.
ScottW**DeSantis has been described as Trump, but with a functioning brain. A dangerous combination indeed. At least Trump is a moron.
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:53:14 AM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 28/02/2023 3:50 am, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 4:55:48 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 27/02/2023 11:32 am, ScottW wrote:**DeSantis has been described as Trump, but with a functioning brain. A
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 4:12:50 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 27/02/2023 10:45 am, ScottW wrote:**That merely tells me just how moronic the majority of the US voting
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:31:33 AM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:**Sky News? Yeah, sure. They're so impartial.
On 27/02/2023 4:02 am, ScottW wrote:
https://slaynews.com/news/covid-deaths-fully-vaccinated-government-study-finds/**Your failure to understand logic and reason is duly noted.
92% of covid deaths were fully vaxxed people last year in England. >>>>>>>>>
ScottW
Trevor awakes from his slumber (or stupor)!
Check out your countries newscast video I posted. Ol' Joe has them in tears.
ScottW
NOT!
Look, I've said it before and I'll say it again: Joe Biden was a poor >>>>>> choice for POTUS. Trump was/is an UNTHINKABLE choice for POTUS.
I'm going to defer to your expertise in "unthink".
Right now...unthinkable is leading in the polls.
ScottW
population is. Assuming you are not lying. In any case, DeSantis will
kick Trump's arse.
Perhaps.....he's far more anti-wokism than Trump was.
ScottW
dangerous combination indeed. At least Trump is a moron.
Trumps policies were widely supported.
You're the moron for not being able to see between them.
On 28/02/2023 10:53 am, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:53:14 AM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 28/02/2023 3:50 am, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 4:55:48 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 27/02/2023 11:32 am, ScottW wrote:**DeSantis has been described as Trump, but with a functioning brain. A >> dangerous combination indeed. At least Trump is a moron.
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 4:12:50 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:**That merely tells me just how moronic the majority of the US voting >>>> population is. Assuming you are not lying. In any case, DeSantis will >>>> kick Trump's arse.
On 27/02/2023 10:45 am, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:31:33 AM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:**Sky News? Yeah, sure. They're so impartial.
On 27/02/2023 4:02 am, ScottW wrote:Trevor awakes from his slumber (or stupor)!
https://slaynews.com/news/covid-deaths-fully-vaccinated-government-study-finds/**Your failure to understand logic and reason is duly noted. >>>>>>>
92% of covid deaths were fully vaxxed people last year in England. >>>>>>>>>
ScottW
Check out your countries newscast video I posted. Ol' Joe has them in tears.
ScottW
NOT!
Look, I've said it before and I'll say it again: Joe Biden was a poor >>>>>> choice for POTUS. Trump was/is an UNTHINKABLE choice for POTUS.
I'm going to defer to your expertise in "unthink".
Right now...unthinkable is leading in the polls.
ScottW
Perhaps.....he's far more anti-wokism than Trump was.
ScottW
Trumps policies were widely supported.**Obviously, not widely enough.
His mouth and tweets...not so much.
**His lies seemed to go down well with a large number of American morons.
You're the moron for not being able to see between them.Between what?
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:16:18 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/27/23 11:45 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 9:21:40 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/27/23 12:03 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
Post hoc fallacy. More fact check here:You guys made your choice and Biden is doing OK. MUCH better
than Trump. The Ukrainians can thank the US voting public for
dumping Trump. Had Trump been elected, Putin would have had a
much easier job of invading Ukraine.
He might not have invaded Ukraine with Trump as POTUS Let's have
a fact check: Putin invaded Crimea during a Democrat
Administration (Obama) Putin did not invade the Ukraine during a
Republican Administration (Trump) Russia invaded the Ukraine
during a Democrat administration (Biden)
https://www.propublica.org/article/lets-recall-what-exactly-paul-manafort-and-rudy-giuliani-were-doing-in-ukraine
No need to invade if there's a plan to take over by stealth with Trump's tacit approval.
You're so full of shit you manage to disgust me...again.Because of Russian interference.
From your link "Manafort and Kilimnik worked together on a proposed
“plan” for Ukraine that would create an Autonomous Republic of
Donbas in separatist-run southeast Ukraine, on the Russian border."
A region that Ukraine didn't control then, doesn't control now and
hasn't run for years.
Yup, not a great situation but it is what it is.
I was watching a video of Ukraine fighters in a small town
that is under attack by Russian forces. The town is destroyed but still some civilians
remain. The Ukraine soldier said some are just too old and poor to leave and others are waiting hopefully for the Russians. He said the last with disgust but it does show that there are pockets of ethnic Russians in Ukraine who want to be part of Russia.
Is that taking over all of Ukraine?It would be like this:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/russian-internal-strategy-document-details-kremlins-plans-take-control-belarus-report
Which is why there is war. I fully blame Russia for resorting to war....
but to denigrate Manafort for trying to come up with some kind of agreement to avoid war
because you hate Trump is f'in nuts. It's sick and you're deranged.
And as you point out...the wasn't the only one.
On 2/27/23 5:50 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:16:18 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/27/23 11:45 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 9:21:40 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/27/23 12:03 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
Post hoc fallacy. More fact check here:You guys made your choice and Biden is doing OK. MUCH better
than Trump. The Ukrainians can thank the US voting public for
dumping Trump. Had Trump been elected, Putin would have had a
much easier job of invading Ukraine.
He might not have invaded Ukraine with Trump as POTUS Let's have
a fact check: Putin invaded Crimea during a Democrat
Administration (Obama) Putin did not invade the Ukraine during a
Republican Administration (Trump) Russia invaded the Ukraine
during a Democrat administration (Biden)
https://www.propublica.org/article/lets-recall-what-exactly-paul-manafort-and-rudy-giuliani-were-doing-in-ukraine
No need to invade if there's a plan to take over by stealth with Trump's tacit approval.
You're so full of shit you manage to disgust me...again.Because of Russian interference.
From your link "Manafort and Kilimnik worked together on a proposed
“plan” for Ukraine that would create an Autonomous Republic of
Donbas in separatist-run southeast Ukraine, on the Russian border."
A region that Ukraine didn't control then, doesn't control now and
hasn't run for years.
Yup, not a great situation but it is what it is.Not enough to justify an invasion.
I was watching a video of Ukraine fighters in a small town
that is under attack by Russian forces. The town is destroyed but still some civilians
remain. The Ukraine soldier said some are just too old and poor to leave and
others are waiting hopefully for the Russians. He said the last with disgust
but it does show that there are pockets of ethnic Russians in Ukraine who want to be part of Russia.
The ethnicity of the Russian state
isn't so clear cut as all that either:
https://eng.globalaffairs.ru/articles/the-russian-people-and-national-identity/
Is that taking over all of Ukraine?It would be like this:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/russian-internal-strategy-document-details-kremlins-plans-take-control-belarus-report
Which is why there is war. I fully blame Russia for resorting to war.... but to denigrate Manafort for trying to come up with some kind of agreement to avoid warManafort was not on a mission of peace,
because you hate Trump is f'in nuts. It's sick and you're deranged.
And as you point out...the wasn't the only one.
unless you think selling out
Ukraine to the Russians is an acceptable alternative.
If that's the
game, the Russians dropped the ball by refusing to honor earlier
agreements which led to Ukraine giving up its nukes, an example no sane country is likely to follow now.
For an example of leadership in service of preventing war, read the
Politico oral history:
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/02/24/russia-ukraine-war-oral-history-00083757
"As [President Biden] said multiple times, this is bigger than even
Ukraine itself and the Ukrainian people. It goes to the very principles
that are at the heart of trying to keep peace and security around the
world — the notion that one country can’t simply invade another, that one big country can’t bully its neighbor, that one country can’t try to erase another off the map. Those principles have been so important since World War II to try to prevent another major conflagration. If we allow
them to be violated with impunity, then we open a Pandora’s Box to would-be aggressors around the world."
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 4:07:56 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 28/02/2023 10:53 am, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:53:14 AM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 28/02/2023 3:50 am, ScottW wrote:**Obviously, not widely enough.
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 4:55:48 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 27/02/2023 11:32 am, ScottW wrote:**DeSantis has been described as Trump, but with a functioning brain. A >>>> dangerous combination indeed. At least Trump is a moron.
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 4:12:50 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:**That merely tells me just how moronic the majority of the US voting >>>>>> population is. Assuming you are not lying. In any case, DeSantis will >>>>>> kick Trump's arse.
On 27/02/2023 10:45 am, ScottW wrote:I'm going to defer to your expertise in "unthink".
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:31:33 AM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:**Sky News? Yeah, sure. They're so impartial.
On 27/02/2023 4:02 am, ScottW wrote:Trevor awakes from his slumber (or stupor)!
https://slaynews.com/news/covid-deaths-fully-vaccinated-government-study-finds/**Your failure to understand logic and reason is duly noted. >>>>>>>>>
92% of covid deaths were fully vaxxed people last year in England. >>>>>>>>>>>
ScottW
Check out your countries newscast video I posted. Ol' Joe has them in tears.
ScottW
NOT!
Look, I've said it before and I'll say it again: Joe Biden was a poor >>>>>>>> choice for POTUS. Trump was/is an UNTHINKABLE choice for POTUS. >>>>>>>
Right now...unthinkable is leading in the polls.
ScottW
Perhaps.....he's far more anti-wokism than Trump was.
ScottW
Trumps policies were widely supported.
His mouth and tweets...not so much.
**His lies seemed to go down well with a large number of American morons.
Most people can tell the difference between talking shit
and actual policy action and the results thereof.
For example, compare the state of the border with Biden in office
to Trump. There is actually no comparison. In fact, Biden just
announced he was reimplementing Trump policy to bring the border back under control.
So you get all spun up about Trumps shit talking and the rest of us will consider more important things.
Between what?
You're the moron for not being able to see between them.
I rest my case....you are dumb as dirt. Go back to sleep.
On 28/02/2023 11:18 am, ScottW wrote:
Most people can tell the difference between talking shit**Trump managed to talk shit (which most of his moronic supporters
and actual policy action and the results thereof.
believed) and actually do VERY poor public policy.
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 7:11:05 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 28/02/2023 11:18 am, ScottW wrote:
Yet you can't name it.Most people can tell the difference between talking shit**Trump managed to talk shit (which most of his moronic supporters believed) and actually do VERY poor public policy.
and actual policy action and the results thereof.
Taxes down
Unemployment down
Wages Up
Isis caliphate eradicated
Nato defense commitments up
North Korea quit testing
No Russian invasions or annexations (unlike Obama or Biden)
Illegal Immigration dramatically reduced
And all the covid crap you complained about are now proven futile and harmful.
So What have you got Trevor?
So far...**
Which to me means nothing. Even your stupid survey has nothing specific.
ScottW
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 7:11:05 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 28/02/2023 11:18 am, ScottW wrote:
Yet you can't name it.Most people can tell the difference between talking shit**Trump managed to talk shit (which most of his moronic supporters believed) and actually do VERY poor public policy.
and actual policy action and the results thereof.
Taxes down
Unemployment down
Wages Up
Isis caliphate eradicated
Nato defense commitments up
North Korea quit testing
No Russian invasions or annexations (unlike Obama or Biden)
Illegal Immigration dramatically reduced
And all the covid crap you complained about are now proven futile and harmful.
So What have you got Trevor?
So far...**
Which to me means nothing. Even your stupid survey has nothing specific.
ScottW
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 4:43:37 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/27/23 5:50 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:16:18 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/27/23 11:45 AM, ScottW wrote:
I was watching a video of Ukraine fighters in a small townNot enough to justify an invasion.
that is under attack by Russian forces. The town is destroyed but still some civilians
remain. The Ukraine soldier said some are just too old and poor to leave and
others are waiting hopefully for the Russians. He said the last with disgust
but it does show that there are pockets of ethnic Russians in Ukraine who >>> want to be part of Russia.
As if I said it was.
The ethnicity of the Russian state
isn't so clear cut as all that either:
Really? OMG....then again our ethnicity isn't so clear cut anymore now is it?
https://eng.globalaffairs.ru/articles/the-russian-people-and-national-identity/
Manafort was not on a mission of peace,Is that taking over all of Ukraine?It would be like this:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/russian-internal-strategy-document-details-kremlins-plans-take-control-belarus-report
Which is why there is war. I fully blame Russia for resorting to war.... >>> but to denigrate Manafort for trying to come up with some kind of agreement to avoid war
because you hate Trump is f'in nuts. It's sick and you're deranged.
And as you point out...the wasn't the only one.
Prove it.
unless you think selling out
Ukraine to the Russians is an acceptable alternative.
Obama sold 'em out. I don't see the difference.
If that's the
game, the Russians dropped the ball by refusing to honor earlier
agreements which led to Ukraine giving up its nukes, an example no sane
country is likely to follow now.
IIRC, we also made agreements to don't seem to be honored.
For an example of leadership in service of preventing war, read the
Politico oral history:
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/02/24/russia-ukraine-war-oral-history-00083757
"As [President Biden] said multiple times, this is bigger than even
Ukraine itself and the Ukrainian people. It goes to the very principles
that are at the heart of trying to keep peace and security around the
world — the notion that one country can’t simply invade another, that
one big country can’t bully its neighbor, that one country can’t try to >> erase another off the map. Those principles have been so important since
World War II to try to prevent another major conflagration. If we allow
them to be violated with impunity, then we open a Pandora’s Box to
would-be aggressors around the world."
And this is "in service of preventing war"? I'm going to call that a big fat fail.
Seriously stupid assertion....
On 2/27/23 8:10 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 4:43:37 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/27/23 5:50 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:16:18 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/27/23 11:45 AM, ScottW wrote:
I was watching a video of Ukraine fighters in a small townNot enough to justify an invasion.
that is under attack by Russian forces. The town is destroyed but still some civilians
remain. The Ukraine soldier said some are just too old and poor to leave and
others are waiting hopefully for the Russians. He said the last with disgust
but it does show that there are pockets of ethnic Russians in Ukraine who
want to be part of Russia.
As if I said it was.It leads to Putin's justification Ukraine isn't a separate country
because there are Russian speakers in it.
The ethnicity of the Russian state
isn't so clear cut as all that either:
Really? OMG....then again our ethnicity isn't so clear cut anymore now is it?Anymore? When was the US an ethnic state?
https://eng.globalaffairs.ru/articles/the-russian-people-and-national-identity/
Manafort was not on a mission of peace,Is that taking over all of Ukraine?It would be like this:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/russian-internal-strategy-document-details-kremlins-plans-take-control-belarus-report
Which is why there is war. I fully blame Russia for resorting to war.... >>> but to denigrate Manafort for trying to come up with some kind of agreement to avoid war
because you hate Trump is f'in nuts. It's sick and you're deranged.
And as you point out...the wasn't the only one.
Prove it.It's in the Mueller Report.
https://time.com/5003623/paul-manafort-mueller-indictment-ukraine-russia/
tl/dr: motivated by money, not peace
"By that point, there was no longer any question over the party’s allegiance to Moscow. Yanukovych and his closest allies had fled to
Russia as the uprising against them intensified, and President Putin guaranteed their security even as he moved to punish Ukraine’s new
leaders for turning their backs on the Kremlin. In the spring of 2014, Russia sent troops to occupy and annex Ukraine’s Crimea region. It also sent weapons and fighters to spark a separatist rebellion in Donetsk and other parts of eastern Ukraine, fueling a conflict that killed thousands
of people between 2014 and 2016.
Throughout this period, Manafort continued to get regular updates on the crisis from his close associate in Kiev, Konstantin Kilimnik, a dapper
and eloquent English-speaker who studied at a Russian military
institute. In an interview with Radio Free Europe in February, Kilimnik
said that Manafort was open to returning to Ukraine “if there is a
serious project that is pro-Ukrainian and can bring peace to this country.”"
Yes, that's what Kilimnik says. He's not disinterested.
On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 8:29:40 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
The rest of this is pure BS. If you think the US and Nato is behind Ukraine driving Russia out of Crimea and liberating all of Donbass while refusing air power, long range weapons and any strikes on Russia directly....
you're an idiot.
ScottW
On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 8:29:40 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/27/23 8:10 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 4:43:37 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:It leads to Putin's justification Ukraine isn't a separate country
On 2/27/23 5:50 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:16:18 AM UTC-8, mINE109
wrote:
On 2/27/23 11:45 AM, ScottW wrote:
I was watching a video of Ukraine fighters in a small townNot enough to justify an invasion.
that is under attack by Russian forces. The town is destroyed
but still some civilians remain. The Ukraine soldier said
some are just too old and poor to leave and others are
waiting hopefully for the Russians. He said the last with
disgust but it does show that there are pockets of ethnic
Russians in Ukraine who want to be part of Russia.
As if I said it was.
because there are Russian speakers in it.
Stop giving credence to Putin.
Anymore? When was the US an ethnic state?The ethnicity of the Russian state isn't so clear cut as all
that either:
Really? OMG....then again our ethnicity isn't so clear cut
anymore now is it?
What exactly is "an ethnic state"?
A single ethnicity? Multiple ethnicities? In any case....we're on
track to no majority ethnicity and no common language.
https://eng.globalaffairs.ru/articles/the-russian-people-and-national-identity/
It would be like this:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/russian-internal-strategy-document-details-kremlins-plans-take-control-belarus-report
It's in the Mueller Report.but to denigrate Manafort for trying to come up with someManafort was not on a mission of peace,
kind of agreement to avoid war because you hate Trump is f'in
nuts. It's sick and you're deranged. And as you point
out...the wasn't the only one.
Prove it.
https://time.com/5003623/paul-manafort-mueller-indictment-ukraine-russia/
tl/dr: motivated by money, not peace
Is your piano teaching solely motivated by money?
"By that point, there was no longer any question over the party’s
allegiance to Moscow. Yanukovych and his closest allies had fled
to Russia as the uprising against them intensified, and President
Putin guaranteed their security even as he moved to punish
Ukraine’s new leaders for turning their backs on the Kremlin. In
the spring of 2014, Russia sent troops to occupy and annex
Ukraine’s Crimea region. It also sent weapons and fighters to spark
a separatist rebellion in Donetsk and other parts of eastern
Ukraine, fueling a conflict that killed thousands of people between
2014 and 2016.
Throughout this period, Manafort continued to get regular updates
on the crisis from his close associate in Kiev, Konstantin
Kilimnik, a dapper and eloquent English-speaker who studied at a
Russian military institute. In an interview with Radio Free Europe
in February, Kilimnik said that Manafort was open to returning to
Ukraine “if there is a serious project that is pro-Ukrainian and
can bring peace to this country.”"
Yes, that's what Kilimnik says. He's not disinterested.
Sounds like money wasn't Manafort's sole interest...
Once again, you're all over the map. You make an accusation. Then
quote something that doesn't support your allegations while strutting
as if it does.
The rest of this is pure BS.
If you think the US and Nato is behind Ukraine driving Russia out of
Crimea and liberating all of Donbass while refusing air power, long
range weapons and any strikes on Russia directly.... you're an
idiot.
On 2/28/23 11:09 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 8:29:40 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/27/23 8:10 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 4:43:37 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:It leads to Putin's justification Ukraine isn't a separate country
On 2/27/23 5:50 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:16:18 AM UTC-8, mINE109
wrote:
On 2/27/23 11:45 AM, ScottW wrote:
I was watching a video of Ukraine fighters in a small townNot enough to justify an invasion.
that is under attack by Russian forces. The town is destroyed
but still some civilians remain. The Ukraine soldier said
some are just too old and poor to leave and others are
waiting hopefully for the Russians. He said the last with
disgust but it does show that there are pockets of ethnic
Russians in Ukraine who want to be part of Russia.
As if I said it was.
because there are Russian speakers in it.
Stop giving credence to Putin.Recognizing his tactics isn't "giving credence to Putin."
Anymore? When was the US an ethnic state?The ethnicity of the Russian state isn't so clear cut as all
that either:
Really? OMG....then again our ethnicity isn't so clear cut
anymore now is it?
What exactly is "an ethnic state"?One defined by the ethnicity of its population. You'll remember from my recent cite the distinction between a Russian state and a Russian ethnicity.
A single ethnicity? Multiple ethnicities? In any case....we're onEnglish will predominate for the foreseeable future.
track to no majority ethnicity and no common language.
https://eng.globalaffairs.ru/articles/the-russian-people-and-national-identity/
It would be like this:
It's in the Mueller Report.Manafort was not on a mission of peace,https://www.foxnews.com/world/russian-internal-strategy-document-details-kremlins-plans-take-control-belarus-reportbut to denigrate Manafort for trying to come up with some
kind of agreement to avoid war because you hate Trump is f'in
nuts. It's sick and you're deranged. And as you point
out...the wasn't the only one.
Prove it.
https://time.com/5003623/paul-manafort-mueller-indictment-ukraine-russia/ >>
tl/dr: motivated by money, not peace
Is your piano teaching solely motivated by money?No, predominantly by the wish for world peace.
"By that point, there was no longer any question over the party’s
allegiance to Moscow. Yanukovych and his closest allies had fled
to Russia as the uprising against them intensified, and President
Putin guaranteed their security even as he moved to punish
Ukraine’s new leaders for turning their backs on the Kremlin. In
the spring of 2014, Russia sent troops to occupy and annex
Ukraine’s Crimea region. It also sent weapons and fighters to spark
a separatist rebellion in Donetsk and other parts of eastern
Ukraine, fueling a conflict that killed thousands of people between
2014 and 2016.
Throughout this period, Manafort continued to get regular updates
on the crisis from his close associate in Kiev, Konstantin
Kilimnik, a dapper and eloquent English-speaker who studied at a
Russian military institute. In an interview with Radio Free Europe
in February, Kilimnik said that Manafort was open to returning to
Ukraine “if there is a serious project that is pro-Ukrainian and
can bring peace to this country.”"
Yes, that's what Kilimnik says. He's not disinterested.
Sounds like money wasn't Manafort's sole interest...Power, lifestyle, desire not to be killed by oligarchs.
Once again, you're all over the map. You make an accusation. ThenThat map being Eastern Europe. Manafort was working behind the scenes to help Russia gain control over Ukraine or portions thereof. Also, I don't pretend there's no contrary information or argue as if it doesn't exist while hiding it.
quote something that doesn't support your allegations while strutting
as if it does.
More Mueller, quoted in Slate:
Several months later, after the presidential election, Kilimnik wrote an email to Manafort expressing the view—which Manafort later said he shared—that the plan’s success would require U.S. support to succeed: “all that is required to start the process is a very minor ‘wink’ (or slight push) from [Donald Trump].” The email also stated that if
Manafort were designated as the U.S. representative and started the
process, Yanukovych would ensure his reception in Russia “at the very
top level.”
The rest of this is pure BS.Considering the article is dated October, 2017, it's doing okay. Here's something more up to date:
https://news.yahoo.com/kremlin-prepared-two-puppet-leaderships-163500462.html
Sourced from Ukrainian Pravda.
If you think the US and Nato is behind Ukraine driving Russia out of Crimea and liberating all of Donbass while refusing air power, longThat stuff is covered in the Politico article, too. Do you propose a
range weapons and any strikes on Russia directly.... you're an
idiot.
direct attack on Russia supported by NATO and the US?
On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 12:20:39 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
Considering the article is dated October, 2017, it's doing okay. Here's
something more up to date:
https://news.yahoo.com/kremlin-prepared-two-puppet-leaderships-163500462.html
I'm supposed to read this? F'in hypocrit.
Sourced from Ukrainian Pravda.
If you think the US and Nato is behind Ukraine driving Russia out ofThat stuff is covered in the Politico article, too. Do you propose a
Crimea and liberating all of Donbass while refusing air power, long
range weapons and any strikes on Russia directly.... you're an
idiot.
direct attack on Russia supported by NATO and the US?
No, I don't. And I'm not stupid enough to think that US policy is to restore all of Donbas
and Crimea to Ukraine control. You do that and I can almost guarantee there will be no export
of grain from Ukraine through the Black Sea for a very very long time without direct Nato
involvement.
Sometimes doing the right thing is usurped by the harsh reality of the consequences.
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